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Christianity Johnson on 26 Sep 2008 03:33 am

Why do Christians believe in God?

There is not one piece of scientific evidence indicating that God exists, and there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that he does not. Yet there are billions of Christians who believe in God. Why? Here are four pages that can help you to see it through Christian eyes:

1) Honest question: Why do you believe in god?

2) Given the almost certainty of God’s existence, why does anyone not want to believe?

3) Assistant professor explores ‘Clarity of God’s Existence’

4) Why Christians believe (personal stories from atheists, agnostics and/or intellectuals who came to believe in Christianity)

Which are the most and least compelling to you?

30 Responses to “Why do Christians believe in God?”

  1. on 26 Sep 2008 at 6:36 am 1.Dess said …

    I would rather live life as if God existed than live life as if He didn’t and regret it later…(on my death bed)

    Life is too short to take that risk…

  2. on 26 Sep 2008 at 7:25 am 2.VeridicusX said …

    But Marge, what if we chose the wrong religion? Each week we just make God madder and madder.
    –Homer Simpson

  3. on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:01 am 3.Elle said …

    Have the gods of the other religions ever claimed they love you and have died for your sins?

    Which other religion asks you to admit you are a sinner so that you can be purified, be saved and have eternal life through the death of the one who died for your sins or otherwise risk your soul in hell?

    Which other god is clear on the fact that YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE me?

    Which other god regards the whole human race as it’s people?

    Bible says Jesus is the way. the truth and the life.Here is the direction God is showing you.

    I don’t see the confusion there really.Unless people deliberately choose to ignore it. It’s pretty clear which God we are talking about here.

  4. on 26 Sep 2008 at 9:52 am 4.Hermes said …

    Elle: “I don’t see the confusion there really.Unless people deliberately choose to ignore it. It’s pretty clear which God we are talking about here.”

    Elle, I agree. There is no confusion as the story of Christianity is clear. It is the tale of an all powerful deity sacrificing himself to himself to keep himself from sending us all to hell because he loves us. Perfectly clear and reasonable!

    I do have a question, though, why won’t god heal amputees?

    If you have an answer, go to the forums. It’s listed under links to the right.

  5. on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:11 pm 5.MJP said …

    Dess said: “I would rather live life as if God existed than live life as if He didn’t and regret it later…(on my death bed)
    Life is too short to take that risk…”

    God and religion isn’t about risk management, it’s about faith. You’re view of God is doing you no good.

  6. on 26 Sep 2008 at 12:58 pm 6.Passerby said …

    And your denial of him is doing you no good either.

  7. on 26 Sep 2008 at 1:08 pm 7.Hermes said …

    Passerby: “And your denial of him is doing you no good either.”

    Which one? Allah, Zeus, Odin, or Mr. Wiggles?

  8. on 26 Sep 2008 at 1:22 pm 8.MJP said …

    Passerby: “And your denial of him is doing you no good either.”

    My denial?? Through faith, I am a firm believer in the God of the Bible.

  9. on 26 Sep 2008 at 2:14 pm 9.SteveK said …

    There is not one piece of scientific evidence indicating that rationality and logic exist, and there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that they do not.

  10. on 26 Sep 2008 at 2:17 pm 10.SteveK said …

    …when you look for something using the wrong methods (empiricism) don’t be surprised if you don’t find what you’re looking for (God).

  11. on 26 Sep 2008 at 2:19 pm 11.Hermes said …

    SteveK: “There is not one piece of scientific evidence indicating that rationality and logic exist, and there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that they do not. ”

    If they don’t, then your opinion doesn’t matter … negating your original statement.

    Solipsism is a horrible way to live. Snap out of it.

  12. on 26 Sep 2008 at 2:34 pm 12.VeridicusX said …

    SteveK,

    > There is not one piece of scientific evidence indicating that rationality and logic exist, and there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that they do not.

    You’re right. No books, no airplanes, no computers. Nothing. The absence of these things are proof positive that the existence of rationality and logic are in doubt.

    > …when you look for something using the wrong methods (empiricism) don’t be surprised if you don’t find what you’re looking for (God).

    …when you look for something which contradicts itself and the facts and for which there is no evidence using empiricism don’t be surprised if you don’t find what you’re looking for (God).

    There corrected that for you :)

  13. on 26 Sep 2008 at 8:33 pm 13.lil tom said …

    what I find so absolutely incredible is that the only argument believers have is that one must overcome rationality be “believing”. the thing that strikes me, is that this is NO DIFFERENT than what it takes to believe in *any other* irrational claim.

    sant claus is highly believable until you think about it rationally.
    unicorns, alien abductions, ghosts, sasquatch, chupacabra, you name it. if you “BELIEVE” in them, then you believe in them. the question is that belief beyond the realm of reason?

    If I had a revelation from a giant grape who created the universe out of a rhino’s horn (nevermind where the rhino came from…) you could not PROVE that it isn’t so. yet it would be highly unreasonable to do so.
    same goes for any unsubstantiated belief.

    I was listening to a program on victims of nigerian bank scams the other day. many of the victims realize after sending most of their life’s savings away that they are probably being taken for a ride. yet, they continue to send the rest of their money, or even other people’s money, because they’ve already invested SO much that they don’t want to even think for a moment that the promise might not be true.
    I couldn’t help but think back to my own realizations about the beliefs I was brought up with. it took me *years* to sort it out, and to come to terms with the fact that I had been taken for a ride. hindsight is, of course 20/20.

  14. on 28 Sep 2008 at 2:39 am 14.Nathan said …

    I would just like to say that God has revield his true power and love. He is merciful and gratous. I have witnessed the true power that God still workes in our lives it just takes a little faith and believing that God, the creator of univese, loves you and has died for you ond he wants you to join him in heaven because he made a way just ask and belive with your heart.God is real and he has worked in my life and he can work in your life too. HE LOVES YOU EVEN IF YOU HATE AND DEPISE HIM HE WATS YOU THE WORLD DOSEN YOU.
    Greter love hath no man than this, that he mal lay dow his life for his friends. John 15:13
    God the all powerfull all knowing being layed down his life. For you and me because he is perfect and he is real and he loves sinners i am a sinner and God is good to me and he has showed me his power and love.

  15. on 28 Sep 2008 at 3:18 am 15.Hermes said …

    Nathan, thank you for your comments. I have one question for you; Why won’t your god heal amputees?

    Join me in the forums if you have an answer…

  16. on 28 Sep 2008 at 4:22 am 16.Nathan said …

    Our God is great and mercifull. he is just and can not be unfair or make a mistake. I am only human. Just because I am a christian, does NOT give me all the answers. I’m no better then you. The reason that God does not heal amputees is obviously unknown, but I can guarantee you that there is a specific reason. I do not know the exact answer, but He is a healer. I guarantee that He has a reason.

  17. on 28 Sep 2008 at 7:50 pm 17.SteveK said …

    “If they don’t, then your opinion doesn’t matter … negating your original statement.”

    My point being that empiricism isn’t the sole method for acquiring knowledge of reality. Thank you for backing me up on this.

    “Solipsism is a horrible way to live. Snap out of it.”

    I agree so there’s nothing for me to snap out of.

  18. on 28 Sep 2008 at 7:56 pm 18.SteveK said …

    “…when you look for something which contradicts itself”

    What about God is a real contradiction, not merely an apparent contradiction, and how did you come to know it is a real contradiction?

    “and the facts and for which there is no evidence using empiricism don’t be surprised if you don’t find what you’re looking for (God).”

    What facts/data gathered from empirical methods would constitute evidence for the existence of God? What would these facts/data look like?

  19. on 29 Sep 2008 at 11:55 am 19.VeridicusX said …

    SteveK,

    > What about God is a real contradiction, not merely an apparent contradiction, and how did you come to know it is a real contradiction?

    You have not presented any “God” for examination. All we have are words and definitions. These definitions are contradictory.
    We’ve been over this already. I suggest that you read my posts and try being honest for a change. Integrity, you’ve got it inside you somewhere.

    I don’t have to explain anything about your imaginary, sadomasochistic sky monster (God). It’s up to *you* to demonstrate that such an unlikely thing exists.
    You already know the set of contradictions that is the theist’s “God”. If you don’t use a good search engine.
    It’s enough for me to say that the Bible contradicts reason, morality, the facts and the evidence, and itself. Once again you can check all this for yourself.

    You already know what would constitute evidence for “God”. I’ve mentioned it in previous posts and the videos on this site hammer the point home. The Bible is quite clear about the evidence that we would see if the Bible “God” existed. (Hint: We don’t see this evidence).

    It isn’t up to any non-gullible person to specify what would have to be true for your fantastic invisible sky monster (God) to exist, it’s up to the one, (you in this case), making the claims.

    Unless you have something to contribute, stop being such a dim-witted troll.

  20. on 29 Sep 2008 at 1:36 pm 20.SteveK said …

    “You have not presented any “God” for examination. All we have are words and definitions. These definitions are contradictory.”

    Christian’s ‘present’ Jesus for examination. What contradictions do you have? I will say this…I hold that the law of non-contradiction is true even for God so if you come up with an apparent contradiction I am required to resolve it or abandon that particular belief.

    “I don’t have to explain anything about your imaginary, sadomasochistic sky monster (God). It’s up to *you* to demonstrate that such an unlikely thing exists.”

    I’m not asking you to demonstrate that God exists nor am I saying I can. Does that mean God doesn’t exist? Maybe, but not necessarily. You can’t demonstrate the law of non-contradiction, you can only infer it by reason.

    “It’s enough for me to say that the Bible contradicts reason, morality, the facts and the evidence, and itself.”

    We’ve been over a lot of these and I can only find apparent contradictions, not *real* contradictions that would require me to abandon my belief in God.

    Apparent contradictions aren’t good enough. If they were, this website would be reason enough to abandon lack of belief in God.

  21. on 29 Sep 2008 at 3:46 pm 21.VeridicusX said …

    SteveK,

    > I can only find apparent contradictions, not *real* contradictions that would require me to abandon my belief in God.

    OK. What constitutes, in your opinion, a real contradiction? Or, how would you define a contradiction?

    Once I know this I can (hopefully) find out why obvious Biblical falsehoods don’t faze you.

    I think you know my current standpoint on this, but I *am* willing to learn.

  22. on 29 Sep 2008 at 4:22 pm 22.SteveK said …

    “What constitutes, in your opinion, a real contradiction?”

    If something is both A and -A at the same time and in the same context then that is a real contradiction and thus impossible.

    A table can’t both be made entirely of wood and not be made entirely of wood. A table *can* be made entirely of wood and not entirely wood IF the word ‘wood’ is used in different contexts each time. This is an apparent contradiction.

  23. on 29 Sep 2008 at 4:25 pm 23.SteveK said …

    also…different contexts for ‘table’, ‘made’ and ‘entirely’ can lead to an apparent contradiction.

  24. on 29 Sep 2008 at 4:39 pm 24.VeridicusX said …

    SteveK,

    So, a word derives it’s meaning from it’s context. And A is not ~A at the same time and under the same conditions?

    There is no good evidence that the Biblical Jesus ever existed. There is also no evidence of any historical character that might have contributed to, or seeded the Biblical Jesus. This isn’t to say that there was not a “Jesus”, but the more I examine this issue the less likely it seems.

    Nevertheless, if someone says, “I am the way, the truth and the life.”, if they tell a falsehood is that a contradiction?

  25. on 29 Sep 2008 at 5:07 pm 25.SteveK said …

    “There is no good evidence that the Biblical Jesus ever existed.”

    What you’re saying here is that there IS evidence, just not the kind you find to be subjectively good or convincing.

    “There is also no evidence of any historical character that might have contributed to, or seeded the Biblical Jesus.”

    I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

    “Nevertheless, if someone says, “I am the way, the truth and the life.”, if they tell a falsehood is that a contradiction? ”

    As you know, a falsehood isn’t necessarily a contradiction. If someone says Johnson is a clear, logical thinker then that is an obvious falsehood. It’s not an obvious contradiction.

  26. on 29 Sep 2008 at 5:24 pm 26.VeridicusX said …

    There is no *valid* evidence that Jesus ever lived.
    All we have is the word of people such as yourself.

    Answer my question!

  27. on 29 Sep 2008 at 5:34 pm 27.VeridicusX said …

    contradiction – (logic) a statement that is necessarily false;
    falsehood, untruth, falsity – a false statement

  28. on 29 Sep 2008 at 5:48 pm 28.VeridicusX said …

    > As you know, a falsehood isn’t necessarily a contradiction. If someone says Johnson is a clear, logical thinker then that is an obvious falsehood. It’s not an obvious contradiction.

    Am I the only one that thinks that this guy has lost it?

    There speaks a Christian? Does the Holy Spirit make you talk gibberish? Or are you serving Satan, that’s part of your Christian mythology isn’t it?
    Satan is supposed to be the father of lies. Are you playing the part of one of his servants in your Christian fairytale?

  29. on 29 Sep 2008 at 7:27 pm 29.SteveK said …

    “There is no *valid* evidence that Jesus ever lived.”

    What does valid evidence look like when compared to invalid evidence? Maybe an example will help make it clear to me.

    “So, a word derives it’s meaning from it’s context. And A is not ~A at the same time and under the same conditions?”

    You mean answer this question? I thought you were repeating my comment in your own words, not asking me to confirm what I just said. Anyway, I think this sounds close to what I said before.

    “contradiction – (logic) a statement that is necessarily false;”

    I agree. A false statement is not necessarily contradictory though. My statment about Johnson doesn’t contain a contradiction – does it? I didn’t see a contradiction in your statement either.

    “Am I the only one that thinks that this guy has lost it?”

    What part of my comment isn’t clear? I’d be happy to clarify it for you.

  30. on 30 Sep 2008 at 11:41 am 30.VeridicusX said …

    SteveK,

    > As you know, a falsehood isn’t necessarily a contradiction. If someone says Johnson is a clear, logical thinker then that is an obvious falsehood. It’s not an obvious contradiction.

    > My statment about Johnson doesn’t contain a contradiction – does it?

    0: contradiction – opposition between two conflicting forces or ideas

    1: act or an instance of contradicting

    2 a: a proposition, statement, or phrase that asserts or implies both the truth and falsity of something
    b: a statement or phrase whose parts contradict each other

    3 a: logical incongruity
    b: a situation in which inherent factors, actions, or propositions are inconsistent or contrary to one another

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