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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 02 Jan 2012 12:02 am

This article shows how disgusting religion gets

This article shows how disgusting religion gets:

A Clash of Cultures in the Holy Land

It wasn’t the first time that Doron Matalon had been verbally harassed on the way home. A young soldier, she had boarded a bus on Wednesday not far from the military base where she served. Shortly before reaching her stop, a 45-year-old man accosted her and demanded that she move to the back of the bus.

The man was demanding that Matalon comply with unwritten rules prescribed by ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel, decrees which require women to sit at the back of the bus or use different pedestrian routes or sidewalks than men do.
Matalon, however, had no intention of abiding by the edicts and refused to move — out of principle as she told the Israeli daily Haaretz. And because the back of the bus was stuffy. The man immediately began insulting Matalon, calling her a whore, and others quickly joined in the harassment.

Just about every religion demands that women take this kind of abuse. If it is not the Jews, it’s the Muslims with their hijabs, their burqas, their honor killings, etc. If it is not the Muslims, it is the Catholics and their refusal to allow women to be priests. If it is not sexism it is racism. If it is not racism, it is homophobia. ALL of this disgusting discrimination is constantly coming from religion. Why is that?

262 Responses to “This article shows how disgusting religion gets”

  1. on 02 Jan 2012 at 3:03 am 1.Anonymous said …

    Another one even more disgusting:

    Child sacrificed, liver offered to gods

    Aint religion grand?

  2. on 02 Jan 2012 at 4:50 am 2.Anonymous said …

    Another way religion is disgusting

    http://i.imgur.com/uS9Xq.gif

    Total hypocrisy

  3. on 02 Jan 2012 at 9:06 am 3.Anonymous said …

    How can religion be so consistently disgusting?

    Only Sluts Get Raped! (1st Timothy 2:9)

  4. on 02 Jan 2012 at 6:12 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    Another example from the bible:

    http://i.imgur.com/ARXpy.jpg

  5. on 03 Jan 2012 at 12:28 am 5.Anonymous said …

    Antaomy of a stoning

  6. on 03 Jan 2012 at 7:41 am 6.Anonymous said …

    This sucks

  7. on 05 Jan 2012 at 2:39 am 7.Michael said …

    I will say a pray for you anyway as one human being to another human being. I happen to believe every word of the bible. I know, I am considered ignorant and foolish by you. However I have had many spiritual experiences, which I contribute to a closeness to God and changes in my life which were drastic and almost inhuman. For example, I am a recovered heroin addict and alcoholic. I tried and tried to stop for years before I destroyed my life permanently. A simple idea to pray was given to me by someone and I followed the advice. The madness of addiction was not in my mind anymore. The more I started to lean into the God idea, the more my old way of thinking vanished. I can’t explain it to you scientifically, logically or rationally.

    The more I stay in the simple message of Jesus to help one another, the more comfortable and secure my life becomes.

    Sometimes I have wanted to say to others who doubt or who even think they are atheists, I use to be a not so nice person in society. My belief in God as I choose to believe has been good for me in my life. Instead of hearing a conversion to God from another human being and laughing at them, ridiculing them and calling them names you might want to breathe a sigh of relief for an inexpensive social remedy to me being loose in society doing what I wish when I wish and to whoever or whatever I wish. There are some personalities on this planet you should be grateful have a God in their minds which helps them.

    I know you laugh and say what fools to be conned by my own thoughts and be controlled, but it does work. I found disgustingly so that I needed some control in certain areas as a human being. It has worked for me for almost thirty years. Jesus is a very simple life and how to live and treat others for me. I have many problems with the historical churches of power. Jesus is not a church, I had to look at the way Jesus lived and treated people and then just do my best. Even at my largest failures today, it does not come close to my life of lying, cheating and stealing that I knew before.

    Friends, family, bankers and judges appreciate that I have changed. So do I. I actually want the things I have today. I am not talking materially either by instant prayers being met with the click of the fingers. I have less than ever materially and more than I could ever dream possible in my spirit.

    Peace

  8. on 05 Jan 2012 at 3:29 am 8.Anonymous said …

    Michael, if I read your post correctly, none of what you did needed a belief in any god. You’d have done just as well worshiping Vishnu.

    It sounds like you are someone who needs rigid structure and rules, I mean nothing ill by that. You can achieve that in society without inventing invisible spirits.

    We all know people who have done exactly what you have done — and more — without invoking gods. You understand that you did the work, don’t you?

    You even notice that you’ve forged your own version of religion. At a stroke, that shows that it’s you, not some supernatural agent, at work.

    By all means believe in whatever you will. It’s just a shame that you are selling yourself, your abilities, and your achievements so ridiculously short.

  9. on 05 Jan 2012 at 4:01 am 9.Lou (DFW) said …

    7.Michael said …

    “I will say a pray for you anyway as one human being to another human being.”

    Go ahead, please do. It will simply provide more proof that prayer doesn’t work.

    Why is it that your praying and belief in god and the bible stories work for you, but don’t work for millions of other people who suffer and die miserably? And I dare say that almost all of them are more deserving than you, a heroin addict. Most of them are innocent people who are victims of circumstance and nature, not drug addict wastes of carbon and oxygen. Why would a supernatural being care about you, but not about the rest of its creation?

    Why won’t god heal amputees?

  10. on 05 Jan 2012 at 4:33 am 10.Anonymous said …

    Lou’s comment, harsh as it is, does bring one of the narcissistic and despicable aspects of claiming divine help for afflictions.

    Michael, let’s assume I’m the supreme being, aka god. I see you, someone who most likely is responsible for their own downfall, and I see this little guy who was born into famine.

    Apparently, I chose to help you overcome your self-caused addition whilst letting tens of thousands of children starve to death every day

    Am I (the supreme being) (a) a mean, capricious, uncaring bastard or (b) a figment of your imagination?

    For the sake of you believers, I’d hope for (b)

  11. on 05 Jan 2012 at 3:57 pm 11.Jay said …

    The last three posts hit the nail right on the head!

  12. on 05 Jan 2012 at 11:14 pm 12.Jeremiah said …

    @Micheal….you also said you believe EVERY word in the bible…am i to take it that you believe in slavery, and killing children who sass their parents, and that women should be the property of their husbands, and that people should be stoned to death for handling the flesh of a pig or wearing mixed cloth? How can any rational human being say they believe every word of the bible, when it is full of hypocrisy? How can you believe that in one moment, god would tell people ‘thou shalt not kill’ and in the next that they must kill thousands for worshiping false idols? I daresay you have not really even read the bible thoroughly if at all. And i have to agree with the previous postings, you said that through prayer, god has turned your life around, when in reality, YOU did. YOU found your inner strength and made it happen. In the light of Jesus’ supposed teachings, isn’t that a rather selfish prayer, for you and you alone to be saved, yet for millions on earth to still be starving and in need? I find that contradictory to your speil about helping one another. This is the hypocrisy i find again and again in believers. They claim to believe this bible, but only the parts they pick and choose to represent their lives, rather than admitting it is all a sham and that whatever good comes into their lives is a coincidence. Call prayer what it is: a good wish. They will have the same effect whether you believe or don’t.

  13. on 06 Jan 2012 at 12:47 am 13.Xenon said …

    @michael

    Wonderful post. Don’t concern yourself with those who want to tell you what you experienced and how real God is in your life. They are a pretty intolerant bunch who have a need to tell others how to live.

  14. on 06 Jan 2012 at 1:53 am 14.Anonymous said …

    Horatiio, seeing as you’re back as Xenon. How about you post those proofs of god that you promised from last year?

  15. on 06 Jan 2012 at 3:08 am 15.alex said …

    predictably, most of the comments here are from atheists and/or non-believers. while we can all smugly congratulate ourselves about our clarity and insight, have we really made any headway against religion? when a person prays and we can’t convince them otherwise, it’s becoming a lost cause. sure, people who have been brought up religious, may one day see the foolishness, but those people are the minority. the numbers are against us. i educate my kids and they seem to recognize my logic, but I can’t even convince my own wife or mother….

  16. on 06 Jan 2012 at 3:46 am 16.Anonymous said …

    Alex, headway is being made, but it’s slow.

    In terms of convincing people, for some people it’s possibly too late as they’ve spent their lives insulated against reality by their magical beliefs.

    However, the internet is a wonderful thing. Just look at the efforts the believers go to on this blog to paint non-believers in a bad light. Consider that if they had nothing to fear they would answer questions. Instead, they post the same inane comments, congratulate each other for their mental buffoonery, then run away as soon as it’s time for them to examine their beliefs in the cold harsh light of reality.

    For whatever reason, the United States is a backwater of enlightenment and much of the developed world looks on in amusement at an educated people who still take the bible seriously.

    You’re right in that we’ll never eradicate religion, as there will always be people looking for an easy-fix or a simple way to avoid the harsh reality of life. Howeverm if we weren’t scaring the shit out of them, certain theists wouldn’t need to come on here and direct people not to answer our questions.

  17. on 06 Jan 2012 at 4:34 am 17.Lou (DFW) said …

    13.Xenon said …

    “They are a pretty intolerant bunch who have a need to tell others how to live.”

    Please show us where anybody replied to his comment by telling “others how to live.”

  18. on 06 Jan 2012 at 2:21 pm 18.DPK said …

    “They are a pretty intolerant bunch who have a need to tell others how to live.”

    Yes, the nerve of some people actually requesting that you provide evidence for your claims. And, when did anyone here here tell Michael, or anyone else, “how to live”? Once again Xenon, Hor, Ben… whoever he is at the moment, can only resort to making up lies about atheists on order to further his agenda.

    I ask again, what does it say about your position when you must repeatedly lie in order to validate it? To me, it says your position is false…. and you know it!

    Michael… good job getting your life together. I hope you continue to keep it so. If you really need to think some invisible being did it for you… well ok.. whatever. Just please don’t expect others to also buy into your fantasy.

    Now Xenon… you are a Christian who continually comes onto an atheist website supposedly for the purpose of discussing the existence of gods and do nothing but make unfounded claims and tell lies about atheists, what they believe, and what they do. Which of us is intolerant and which of us is “telling others how to live”? You are the very definition of hypocrisy.

  19. on 10 Jan 2012 at 9:42 am 19.mstaarabu said …

    In my Country Tanzania(East Africa),unlike U.S.A or Iran religion does not guide our laws,infact the Government Officals say openly that the government has no Religion but individuals do.

    Yet everything is okay,people respect each other and we are rated high among peaceful African Nation{Never had a Civil War}.

    What the f**k with Religion and Politics in World?

  20. on 11 Jan 2012 at 12:18 am 20.Scott said …

    mstaarabu,

    Yes, your people save their violence to perpetuate on children. Great, What is up with that?

    http://www.unicef.org/media/files/VIOLENCE_AGAINST_CHILDREN_IN_TANZANIA_REPORT.pdf

    Got any more words of wisdom for the US or the rest of the world?

  21. on 11 Jan 2012 at 11:52 am 21.mstaarabu said …

    @scott
    You missed the point. The point is……

    The World dont need religions or gods in its politics to live in peace and harmony.

    The cases u have sighted are happening in your country also and in every other country due to individualis,nothing related to lack of religion.

    Infact those cases happen mostly in Christians and Muslims families.

    Fu*CK religion.

  22. on 11 Jan 2012 at 1:59 pm 22.DPK said …

    After the recent and ongoing Catholic church scandal with child rape and pedophilia being widespread and hidden by the holy fathers of the church, how anyone can equate violence against children with secularism is mind boggling. And let’s not even talk about the fringe Mormons and their child marriages.

    Scott, are you really going to go there? Seriously?

  23. on 14 Jan 2012 at 4:09 pm 23.Ian R said …

    I have a Master greater than all others and that is Truth. Sadly I fail him in some way, every day.

  24. on 14 Jan 2012 at 4:56 pm 24.alex said …

    quit your whining: “I have a Master greater than all others and that is Truth. Sadly I fail him in some way, every day.”

    here’s a possible solution according to your Book.

    “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Luke 18:22

    …but you like your stuff, eh? out of context how?

  25. on 14 Jan 2012 at 9:19 pm 25.Anonymous said …

    Here’s a Catholic priest who appears not to understand that raping little boys is wrong. So much for morality through god.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16543091

  26. on 15 Jan 2012 at 5:11 am 26.Ian R said …

    Listen Alex, you pompous twit…I meant real truth not biblical truth. Like the fact you may not be a twit ‘cos I don’t REALLY know that do I…It’s only a belief after all!

  27. on 15 Jan 2012 at 11:29 am 27.alex said …

    “Listen Alex, you pompous twit”. You state:

    “I have a Master greater than all others and that is Truth. Sadly I fail him in some way, every day.” and I offer a solution, even quoting your Book. You no likey?

    You come in here spewing the junk and what do you expect? “That is Truth”? Says you? Who’s pompous?

  28. on 15 Jan 2012 at 2:11 pm 28.Anonymous said …

    Ian: “I have a Master greater than all others and that is Truth. Sadly I fail him in some way, every day.”

    You worship the same storm god that the uneducated goat herders of 2000 years ago believed in and you expect us to take you seriously?

    No way.

    What you get and what you deserve is abject mockery and public humiliation. You’re an idiot.

  29. on 15 Jan 2012 at 2:36 pm 29.Ian R said …

    Yes! Let’s replace religion…which may be a fallacy… with some real nasty thinking and bitterness we will all be better off…Don’t make me laugh!

  30. on 15 Jan 2012 at 3:54 pm 30.Anonymous said …

    Ian, rather than defend your delusion I see that you are resorting to the good old Christian Persecution Complex. Not even a good try. Why don’t you come up with some proof for the existence of your god?

    Let’s start with this one. Explain to us why you reject the existence of the god Zeus. Then tell us why your arguments don’t apply to your god. Please try to do this in a consistent manner without special pleading for your case.

    The only bitterness on display is you getting bent out of shape because we’re calling out your belief in an imaginary friend for what it is – a delusion.

    Why do you Christians fall back on projection so much? You’re bitter and you’re angry because you no longer get a pass on this 2000 year old goat herder superstitious shit. This childish nonsense of imaginary friends is really tiring. It really is.

    By the way, you don’t seem to understand the meaning of the word fallacy. If you are going to use words in a conversation it helps to understand them. For example, your reasoning is fallacious. Your belief in religion is because you are delusional. See the difference?

  31. on 15 Jan 2012 at 4:58 pm 31.Hell Yeah said …

    “Yes! Let’s replace religion…which may be a fallacy… with some real nasty thinking and bitterness we will all be better off…Don’t make me laugh!”

    Because religion is the only thing that causes people to be good? Morals only come from religion? Are you saying we can only be better off if we believe in fairy tales?

  32. on 15 Jan 2012 at 6:14 pm 32.Anonymous said …

    Ian, this is your future.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/alstefanelli/2012/01/13/notequal/

  33. on 15 Jan 2012 at 7:33 pm 33.Tom said …

    Ian,

    He is not a pompous twit. He is like an angry child stomping the floor and screaming until he gets his way. His obsession is quite fascinating and his anger will probably be his undoing. I find his ranting to be quite fascinating.

  34. on 15 Jan 2012 at 8:36 pm 34.Anonymous said …

    “He is not a pompous twit. He is like an angry child stomping the floor and screaming until he gets his way. His obsession is quite fascinating and his anger will probably be his undoing. I find his ranting to be quite fascinating.”

    More Christian projection. It really is scaring for you believers to see your security blanket being tugged out from beneath your feet isn’t it?

    So, why won’t just one of you take on our challenge?

    Not one Christian, not one, has ever provided proof for the existence of your god. No wonder we laugh at you and no wonder we call you delusional.

    So, Tom, rather than trying to make yourself feel better by diverting attention away from your desperation to rationalize your need for the comfort of a magic man in the sky, let’s see you take on the subject of proof.

    Where’s your proof for the existence of these imaginary friends of yours? Please do tell.

    If this god was anything but a delusion you’d snap back… “here’s the proof” but no-one does, no-one can, all you do is resort to complaining about tone and attitude.

    Once again. Your god doesn’t exist and your belief is a delusion. Prove us wrong. It would be so easy, yet you can’t. Why is it?

  35. on 15 Jan 2012 at 9:48 pm 35.alex said …

    that’s predictable. call me a child, demon, atheist, non-believer, etc. you can’t present a convincing argument and you resort to diversion. hey it’s okay to enslave black people, it’s good for them. those little boys that got raped probably asked for it, walking around in those tight shorts….

  36. on 16 Jan 2012 at 1:39 am 36.Tom said …

    alex

    I didn’t call you a child, I used a simile. Look it up alex.

    You are angry about a being that does not exist but you spend an inordinate amount of time telling others he is not real. I say you are scared, of course angry and and suffer with a compulsive disorder.

    If I suffer with a delusion in your view so what? Why do you care? I have career, a wonderful family and I am a very happy, satisfied and content man.

    I would suggest you try to get a life and get over your obvious issues.

    Anonymous, that would apply to you also young man.

    There you go, life is too short and I have done my good deed for you guys.

  37. on 16 Jan 2012 at 2:41 am 37.alex said …

    You people used to depress me, but not anymore. No more free passes. You and your kind go around like your shit don’t stink. You try to justify slavery, the unjust treatment of women and gays by continually spouting da Book. You come in the site talkin trash and I spend an inordinate time? Says who? You? Who is You? You must be the Son? Damn right I’m angry. My brainwashed father-in-law was convinced even on the day he died that he was going to hell for committing one of the so called deadly sins. Thanks to your bullshit. Screw your god. Let him fight his own battles. Fuckin shit with his obsessions with foreskins and virgins blah blah.

  38. on 16 Jan 2012 at 2:52 am 38.alex said …

    Tom. You’ve fulfilled all the requirements:
    1. You’re a sinner by your definition.
    2. You know that the time is near.
    3. You’ve achieved/reachived/repeated salvation.

    Now, you can preach and do your good deed by calling me out. You can smugly commit more sins confident that you have steps 1-3 etched into your brain. Talkin to you is like arguing with a kid about freakin santa claus, but I repeat, no more free passes! I will not be complicit.

  39. on 16 Jan 2012 at 3:28 am 39.Anonymous said …

    Tom, why won’t you address the question of providing proof? If you don’t have any, and you clearly don’t, doesn’t that tell you something? Trying to dodge the question by bleating that you should be allowed to maintain your delusion is simply sticking your fingers in yours and pretending that you can’t hear anyone.

    Where’s your proof? Why do you not believe in other gods but believe in yours? Are you happy that you’ve been living a lie?

    If you don’t want people to point at you, or laugh at you, or make fun of you, then stop acting like a bronze age goat herder.

    Conversely, if you want to go around and tell people that you believe that a zombie born of a virgin who was his own father and who made man from dirt, women from a man’s rib, and who thinks everyone on earth should suffer for eternity because that woman had a conversation with a talking snake, is your best friend, then don’t be surprised when people laugh at you to your face.

    That kind of shit probably was acceptable 2000 years ago to people who had no education but now it’s an embarrassment.

  40. on 16 Jan 2012 at 4:35 am 40.Ian R said …

    Why this obsession with proving the non-existence of God? Not possible to prove either way me thinks. And, anyway are you lot going to step in with your bigoted and sometimes just plain ill-informed views and distorted attitudes. Come on, at least religious folk do try to be nice one in a while.

    And who the hell knows what was going on before the ‘Big Bang’?

  41. on 16 Jan 2012 at 4:53 am 41.alex said …

    “Why this obsession with proving the non-existence of God?”. Because the whole package is faulty, bogus, ignorant, mean spirited towards women, and laughable. I’ll keep hammering this even if you don’t get it. Religious folks try to push Creationism in schools and y’all endorse it. When your brothers bomb abortion clinics, you sit idly by. Gays and women are mistreated and you approve by your silence. And on, and on, and on. I am calling you out. You’re no good and stop hiding behind that salvation crap. It’s just an excuse to do bad.

  42. on 16 Jan 2012 at 5:07 am 42.alex said …

    over, and over. I don’t have to prove the non-existence of shit. Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Great Pumpkin, your God, thousands of other gods before, dark matter/energy, etc. At least dark matter/energy are plausible given the cause and effect. But your God is a joke, but dangerous because of practitioners like you, Ian R.

  43. on 16 Jan 2012 at 5:12 am 43.Anonymous said …

    “Why this obsession with proving the non-existence of God? Not possible to prove either way me thinks.”

    Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you just stupid?

    Get this through your thick head. The fact that you can’t prove your god exists is because he doesn’t exist.

    There is nothing to disprove. Your god doesn’t exist. We don’t need to disprove it in the same way we don’t need to disprove the existence of the tooth fairy. This religion crap is a security blanket for the emotionally weak who are afraid of the dark.

    So again. Your god doesn’t exist and idiots like you who believe he does are delusional fools. Clear enough?

  44. on 16 Jan 2012 at 8:58 am 44.Ian R said …

    “So again. Your god doesn’t exist and idiots like you who believe he does are delusional fools. Clear enough?”

    I think it would unfair to respond to the bigoted meanderings of the likes of ‘A-nonny-mouse’ who seems rather angry because he equates the bible and all therein with the existence of God. If we assume the holy book is, shall we say, a little confuse in place this does not disprove the possible existence of our Father.

  45. on 16 Jan 2012 at 12:29 pm 45.Anonymous said …

    So, Ian, we can all agree then that you have no proof of the existence of your god? Case closed.

  46. on 16 Jan 2012 at 12:36 pm 46.alex said …

    “this does not disprove the possible existence of our Father”. repeat after me.

    “this does not disprove the possible existence of our Zeus”

    “this does not disprove the possible existence of our Santa Claus”

    “this does not disprove the possible existence of our the God Saturn”

    “this does not disprove the possible existence of our Weapons of Mass Destruction”

    no more passes for you morons. no Creationism in schools. I will not swear on your bible.

  47. on 16 Jan 2012 at 1:24 pm 47.alex said …

    A Multiple test.

    1. When i see a Muslim or Jew in full garb:
    a. I want to kill him.
    b. For him, I pray to God.
    c. I have no reaction.

    2. There’s a proposal to teach Creationism in schools
    a. Hooray! About fucking time.
    b. Creationism and Evolution are equal.
    c. No way. I’m going to the hearing.

    3. A priest molests a child.
    a. Stupid kid, tempting his Holiest.
    b. It’s sad, but God will forgive him and so do I.
    c. Why doesn’t the church do something?

    4. A Black person is on welfare.
    a. Damn nigger.
    b. Black people need to better themselves.
    c. Why is he on welfare and what can we do?

    5. A Cuban on death row.
    a. Damn mexican.
    b. I hope he makes peace with God.
    c. Capital Punishment is unjust.

    6. My child is gay.
    a. I will beat the mofo until he changes.
    b. If he listens to God, he will see the light.
    c. Gays crack me up. Dey so krazy!

    7. Iran has weapons of mass destruction.
    a. Let’s go. Kill the sand niggers.
    b. Christians unite. This is unacceptable.
    c. Really? Weapons of Mass Destruction Part Deux.

    8. My sister wants to be a priest.
    a. Hell no! Fuckin beeches.
    b. Corinthians 14:34.
    c. Why are women even religious?

    9. I just masturbated.
    a. I sinned, but forgiven.
    b. I thought about the wife, so it’s all good.
    c. Came 5 times. A new record!

    and on, and on, and on. Please add your own.

  48. on 16 Jan 2012 at 8:08 pm 48.Lou (DFW) said …

    47.alex said …

    Alex, while I understand your frustration, I respectfully request that you tone-down your comments. Your cooperation is appreciated.

    Thanks!

  49. on 16 Jan 2012 at 8:43 pm 49.alex said …

    ok. i’m outta here.

  50. on 17 Jan 2012 at 12:31 am 50.Tom said …

    Yeah!!!

    Back away from the ledge and seek some counseling alex. Your obsession with God is going to kill you.

  51. on 17 Jan 2012 at 2:38 am 51.Anonymous said …

    Tom, you’ve done nothing but attack other people.

    You’ve been repeatedly asked to provide evidence for this god of yours. Not only don’t you even try to address these questions, you’ve ignored them. Is that what being a Christian means to you? Attack people, call them names, refuse to take part in a conversation, and complain about the way you are being treated? Hypocritical much?

    So, let’s hear it Tom:
    1) What’s your proof for the existence of your god?
    2) Why don’t you believe in other gods? Pick one; Allah, Zeus, Thor, you tell us.
    3) If you don’t want to answer those questions, tell us why not.

    Or, are you just going to provide more reasons for people to call you delusional because you refuse to address the issue which is a clear indication that you’ve got nothing but wishful thinking?

  52. on 17 Jan 2012 at 4:27 am 52.Tom said …

    Anonymous

    Well, people don’t call me delusional. Just this blog. Nice try though. You have been asked repeatedly to answer “A Challenge to Atheist” on the other thread and have failed.

    You feel free to call me delusional. I don’t mind. It is much better than wasting my time providing this evidence so you can argue back it is not evidence. The Moonies think me delusional too so you are in fine company

    But you feel free to convince me otherwise if you like. Maybe take the challenge offered up by “A Challenge to Atheist” on the other thread. It is quite good. How about googling “evidence for God” then refute each point to my satisfaction and I might change my mind. You never know.

    Now exactly which name/attack did you find offensive?

    You brother in atheism alex was a wonderful representative for the site don’t you think?

  53. on 17 Jan 2012 at 4:30 am 53.Anonymous said …

    Thanks for proving that you’ve got nothing Tom. Enjoy your delusion.

  54. on 17 Jan 2012 at 12:50 pm 54.Anonymous said …

    So what it is it with these believers that all they do is try to divert the conversation away from their inability to even try to defend their primitive superstitions?

    If they know that their beliefs are nothing more than a security blanket based on the camp-fire stories of uneducated goat-herders why do they even bother with them? It’s not like there’s anything of value there.

    It seems that no Christian even dares answer the question of “Why won’t god heal amputees”. They come here and bluster over their tried fallacies and prove the point that they are both stupid and illogical. They’re so afraid of the truth that they won’t even try to explain just why they are so desperate to believe that their best friend is an invisible man in the sky.

    Is Tom Horatiio in disguise? He certainly adds nothing of value to the conversation other than to demonstrate why Christianity needs to be classed as a mental illness and treated accordingly.

  55. on 17 Jan 2012 at 1:26 pm 55.Xenon said …

    Tom

    I have attempted to get the bloggers here to defend there hard core claim that there is no God, not any. I have narrowed it down to Jehovah but they offer no proof, ever.

    I no longer bother since all they do is reverse the burden of proof on an atheist website that makes a positive claim there is no God. Many who use to participate here have left because the atheist offer nothing other than names like idiot, delusional, fool, and the array offered by alex. They only ignore the immense amount of evidence offered here by many contributors.

    I find the exchanges useful though for the students I mentor. They believed at one time they had prove God did not exist. They know know they actually take no position and just call names. It has immensely helpful to them as they go off to college.

    I have almost completed an entire Bible study revolving around the claims of godisimininary.com. Even this has been a blessing.

  56. on 17 Jan 2012 at 2:11 pm 56.Lou (DFW) said …

    55.Xenon said …

    “I have attempted to get the bloggers here to defend there hard core claim that there is no God, not any. I have narrowed it down to Jehovah but they offer no proof, ever.”

    As usual, Xenon and his fellow theists twist the facts in order to avoid the inevitable conclusion that there is no evidence for god.

    The THEISTS claim that there is a god. The atheists REPLY to the theists – these is no evidence of your imaginary god unless you provide it. Atheists do not make a claim, theists do.

    If I claim that there is a tiny purple elf living in my dishwasher that only I can see, then it is my obligation to provide evidence of it. If I don’t, Xenon, and you dispute my claim, is it your obligation to disprove my claim? Is your denial of my claim a claim in and of itself? No, of course not. But this is the exact same tacit that you and other irrational theists use when you have no evidence for your imaginary god.

    As it has been posted here time and time and time again, all you must do is provide evidence for your imaginary god. Everything else you post here is nothing but static because that’s all you have.

    At least try to come up with something different in your illogical and irrational replies. This tired, old horse has been beaten to death.

  57. on 17 Jan 2012 at 2:21 pm 57.Lou (DFW) said …

    55.Xenon said …

    “I find the exchanges useful though for the students I mentor. They believed at one time they had prove God did not exist. They know know they actually take no position and just call names. It has immensely helpful to them as they go off to college.”

    Absolute and total b.s. That anyone knows “they actually take no position and just call names” wouldn’t help “them as they go off to college.” You are delusional.

    “I have almost completed an entire Bible study revolving around the claims of godisimininary.com.”

    REALLY?! Why don’t you post your alleged “Bible study?”

    (There’s something seriously wrong with you.)

  58. on 17 Jan 2012 at 2:37 pm 58.Anonymous said …

    So, again, we see the same nonsense from the believers. Unable to defend their claim, they resort to lies and nonsense.

    They produce no evidence, no facts no proof, then parrot each other that no-one has proven their evidence-free claim false. We don’t need to. Until you idiots produce something, then your god is as imaginary and your belief is a delusion.

    But let’s see xenon’s Bible study. Go on, produce it, or is it as imaginary as your god?

  59. on 17 Jan 2012 at 3:46 pm 59.DPK said …

    Xenon is so full of BS that I can smell it trough my computer screen.

    So, let’s give you once again, a chance to convince of us the reality of your god. And, as you said, let’s limit it to Jehovah, or Yahweh, or the god of Abraham, whatever you want to call him. Let’s start by doing something you and the others have steadfastly refused to do, over and over and over… let’s define some of the properties that you claim this god posses. For example, and let’s start with JUST this (for right now, lest you take us off once again about DNA and the big bang). Is your Jehovah both omniscient and omnipotent? Does he posses both of these qualities? Hw about it Xenon, a simple yes or no is all we need.

  60. on 17 Jan 2012 at 6:54 pm 60.Tom said …

    Xenon

    There are atheist you can carry on some interesting conversations with and not have any of the schoolyard taunts of idiot and other filth provided by alex. They don’t take the posture of “I stand for nothing” you prove otherwise.

    If you are working on rebuttals for youth check out this site.

    http://gii.josiahconcept.org/

    This webmaster is taking each point from godisimiginary and thoroughly debunking it. It is only partially complete. Youth heading off to college need to know the talking points.

    The only thing alex and I have in common is I’m gone.

  61. on 17 Jan 2012 at 7:10 pm 61.Lou (DFW) said …

    60.Tom said …

    “This webmaster is taking each point from godisimiginary and thoroughly debunking it. It is only partially complete. Youth heading off to college need to know the talking points.”

    Notice that both Tom and Xenon identically misspell http://www.godisimaginary.com as “godisimininary.”

  62. on 17 Jan 2012 at 7:25 pm 62.Lou (DFW) said …

    60.Tom said …

    “If you are working on rebuttals for youth check out this site.

    http://gii.josiahconcept.org/

    And notice that 37 of the 50 “rebuttals” don’t exist.

  63. on 17 Jan 2012 at 7:32 pm 63.Lou (DFW) said …

    From http://gii.josiahconcept.org/

    “This site is not attempting to prove that God exists.”

    Because they can’t. There’s no legitimate, acceptable evidence that god exists. And because they can’t provide said evidence, they can only attack arguments that clearly expose a belief in god and the bible itself as nothing but ancient, irrational, superstitious nonsense and beliefs.

  64. on 17 Jan 2012 at 9:19 pm 64.Ben said …

    godisimiginary – Tom
    godisimininary – Lou’s Claim or Xenon

    Lou you are as blind physically as you are mentally. Look closely and find what is different. Hum as Sesame Stree song while you do so.

    Notice that Lou never actually adds anything to the blog. He only attacks.

    Down boy Down!

  65. on 17 Jan 2012 at 9:51 pm 65.Lou (DFW) said …

    64.Ben said …

    “godisimiginary – Tom
    godisimininary – Lou’s Claim or Xenon

    Lou you are as blind physically as you are mentally. Look closely and find what is different. Hum as Sesame Stree song while you do so.”

    Right, I’m “blind physically.” But yes, my mistake. I missed the one letter difference. Still seems a little odd. – humming the “Sesame Stree (?) song.”

    “Notice that Lou never actually adds anything to the blog. He only attacks.”

    LOL! as you, I mean Hor would reply. There’s only one thing that anybody can add to this blog that isn’t an “attack” (as you call it) – evidence for god. I noticed that you have yet to provide any.

    Hor claimed that he was gone for good. Now that a few weeks have passed, Xenon and Ben suddenly appear, with Ben making the same grammar errors that Hor made…

  66. on 18 Jan 2012 at 3:52 am 66.Anonymous said …

    Who better to support him in his belief in an imaginary friend than an imaginary poster?

  67. on 18 Jan 2012 at 6:16 pm 67.Lou (DFW) said …

    60.Tom said …

    “If you are working on rebuttals for youth check out this site.

    http://gii.josiahconcept.org/

    I did. It’s funny how the authors feebly attempt to use logic and reason to rebut the “proofs,” but they ignore logic and reason when it rebuts their imaginary god.

  68. on 19 Jan 2012 at 5:20 pm 68.DPK said …

    55.Xenon said …

    “I have attempted to get the bloggers here to defend there hard core claim that there is no God, not any. I have narrowed it down to Jehovah but they offer no proof, ever… I have almost completed an entire Bible study revolving around the claims of godisimininary.com. Even this has been a blessing.”

    So, in the interest of once again allowing Xenon to attempt to make a point without lies or deception I offered:
    “So, let’s give you once again, a chance to convince of us the reality of your god. And, as you said, let’s limit it to Jehovah, or Yahweh, or the god of Abraham, whatever you want to call him. Let’s start by doing something you and the others have steadfastly refused to do, over and over and over… let’s define some of the properties that you claim this god posses. For example, and let’s start with JUST this (for right now, lest you take us off once again about DNA and the big bang). Is your Jehovah both omniscient and omnipotent? Does he posses both of these qualities? How about it Xenon, a simple yes or no is all we need.”

    To which Xenon, who has put himself in the position of “teaching” (read… brainwash) young people how to properly answer those who will show them that their gods and religious hocus pocus is a bunch of garbage replies:

    ” ”

    You know what they say… put up or shut up. I wonder why these hard core believers always refuse to answer the simplest of questions? Perhaps because they don’t want to think about it?

  69. on 20 Jan 2012 at 6:49 pm 69.Michael said …

    It is Michael again.

    Sorry about the delay in getting back to this post. I hope you all are doing well on this Friday. Wow! I am glad you guys dropped me as the topic of your subject. I regret to say I do not believe in the goodness of mans brain as the central source of the universe.

    I hope all of you guys will go back to my original post and see I was speaking about my own experience in my life which you cannot disprove. It would be like me trying to convince you that you do not exist. I am just a guy that use to be one way, changed and started seeing the world through a different pair of eyes and a different energy in my heart. It happened as real as I am typing this.

    I hope and I do not think I was rude or inflammatory to any of you on this site. I have lived one of those full lives, so I have been there done that on most experiments in life. They were my experiments, my problems, my tragedies from my decisions and actions. I do not think addiction or recovery is a badge of honor. I don’t see most of the way I use to live as a badge of honor. Most actions were disgusting and I needed to change, go to jail, be institutionalized or die. That’s all.

    If you read my post I don’t think I ever said I could prove to anyone anything of what changed me. It was mine personally to believe what I wanted. All of you know I cannot prove the source of my experience anymore than proof of space aliens or ghosts. You also know none of you can scientifically prove the non-existence of a powerful energy force called life which allows you to take your next breath without thinking about it. Can you?

    I used to be a non believer, atheist, agnostic. Like I said, I really have searched in ernest. I searched for the purpose and meaning of life to get off the path I was on and then be more helpful in this world. Like I said, I used to be a not so decent individual so I do not tend to be a name calling flame thrower or judge of others.

    It is contempt prior to investigation which guarantees to keep us in everlasting ignorance and I choose to investigate first.

    RANT: This is odd to me though. We can talk about men sucking other mens dicks, men butt fucking each other in the ass, women who think they were born in a male body, men who think they are really women, doing all the drugs and drinking we want, pornography, tattoos, piercings, taboos, the church of satin, the ideology and fulfillment of self, school teachers having sex with their juvenile students, almost anything is okay to think about and discuss just don’t say you believe in God. LOL!

    Okay so that is as much of a rant is you get out of me. I don’t direct that at anyone personally but for me to remember it is perfectly okay for me to believe in God in spite of man’s brilliant scientific, proof of life intellect.

    Peace,
    Michael

  70. on 20 Jan 2012 at 7:05 pm 70.Michael said …

    P.S. A footnote acknowledgment and the full quote I used.

    “ There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and cannot fail to keep us in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

    Herbert Spencer

    My contempt and arguments for this disgustingly beautiful life itself are what melted away that day. I just sat there thoroughly exhausted with me, my judgements and arguments. Life became blissful in my ignorance. I still just say thank you for being alive and for the birds and bees. It is better than the alternative of being a constant bitch or living dead. I stopped arguing myself to death. LOL

    I hope ya’ll have a nice weekend. Be safe. Michael

  71. on 20 Jan 2012 at 7:31 pm 71.Michael said …

    P.S.P.S.

    I wanted to say also to Alex I regret the story of your Father in Law who died thinking he was bad and going to hell. I hate hearing things like that as well. The religions of the world have men and women involved. Sometimes they are a complete turn off on belief systems in life.

    It was also just as bothersome your hateful attitude in the name calling of a person dying. I hope you did not walk in his room and call him a brainwashed psycho for your last snapshot or his.

    Michael

  72. on 21 Jan 2012 at 7:49 am 72.Severin said …

    69 Michael
    „I searched for the purpose and meaning of life…“

    I used to, too, untill I was something like 14. Then I understood, and accepted, that there is NO such a thing like „meaning of life“, and that looking for it would be the same as looking for the answer why a grain of sand exists.
    I understood then (some 56 years ago!) that there are answers without questions: I am an answer, and the question (like, for example „why?“) does not exist. Such questions are senseless.
    I understood that the question „why“ posed for my existance is absolutely equal, and equally absurd, as if I posed it for rock:
    WHY is a rock here? WHY does it exist?

    No answer to this question, and no answer to the question of your or my existence. We just are (not for long!).
    However, I was happy that, unlike a rock, I was able to THINK about it and to pose stupid questions, so, unlike a rock, I turned my questions from „why“ to „how“.
    I learned a lot since then!

    I had, and I still have, a wonderful life.

  73. on 21 Jan 2012 at 11:11 am 73.Lou (DFW) said …

    71.Michael said …

    “The religions of the world have men and women involved. Sometimes they are a complete turn off on belief systems in life.”

    SOMETIMES? Please read “God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Is_Not_Great

  74. on 21 Jan 2012 at 8:22 pm 74.Michael said …

    Happy Saturday,

    I appreciate that Severin. I stopped questioning my existence and beliefs about 30 years when my God Moment came in to my life. It has been just a matter of accepting and being me. There is more peace with my appreciation of being alive and my next automated breathing event. I use to need to know the exact source of everything before I would participate in living. It almost stopped my automated breathing events permanently.

    The “HOW” we might get to know once we check out. I don’t think any scientist is going to be able to get emphatic proof of what took place or existed before the 1/000,000,000,000,000,000 of second before the Big Bang or Genesis if you prefer. I think it is left up to our personal life energy to know the answer. That is why no one has a thumb print that is the same.

    Hi Lou, I appreciate the offer but I have already completed all of my investigations in the cornucopia of belief systems. I have completed the circle and I have mine. Most all people can point at ugliness in any of the religions past and present. They have humans who think in them. Humans fail daily or at least I do.

    Billy Graham said it best one evening at the opening of a service in Yankee Stadium. He said basically, This place tonight is not full of perfect people, it is full of sinners. People who have not lived up to what they expect of themselves in the way they behave and believe. Mr. Graham is also sort of an outcast to the three main religions of the world. Tolerated but so so.

    Hope ya’ll have good weekend. Michael

  75. on 21 Jan 2012 at 9:48 pm 75.Lou (DFW) said …

    “74.Michael said …

    “I think it is left up to our personal life energy to know the answer. That is why no one has a thumb print that is the same.”

    Crazy, rambling, nonsense.

    “Humans fail daily or at least I do.”

    So much for ID.

    “Billy Graham said it best one evening at the opening of a service in Yankee Stadium. He said basically, This place tonight is not full of perfect people, it is full of sinners.”

    So much for ID. But the silly part is how they became “sinners.”

    You omitted evidence for god – your personal experiences are irrelevant.

  76. on 21 Jan 2012 at 10:09 pm 76.Scott said …

    “This place tonight is not full of perfect people, it is full of sinners. People who have not lived up to what they expect of themselves”

    Love Billy Graham. He preaches the same God Jesus preached. Maybe that is why he made others uncomfortable. Grace, mercy and forgiveness without forgetting judgement will come.

    Nice post Michael.

  77. on 28 Jan 2012 at 5:50 pm 77.Michael said …

    Hi Lou,

    I hope you and yours are well today. I have been called worse than that by worse people.

    So much for ID.”-Could you explain if I missed what you were meaning by ID.

    Is the ID part that other than at least you know my identity or I can be classified as “crazy, rambling, nonsense”. I am honest about what I believe I have not lived up to in this life. I have no shame nor remorse for the bad judgements and actions I have made in this life.

    I think the world would be better off if we were more honest about our real selves and tried to be honest. I think atheist, agnostics, Buddhists, Muslim, Jewish, Christian and Everyone would be better off being honest. I guess maybe we disagree on a relevant value to being honest in life on this planet.

    “But the silly part is how they became “sinners.”-Could you explain if I missed what you were meaning by this statement.

    Are saying that because you have no silly belief in a God, therefore you have never failed yourself in living up to your expectations of you as a human, so then because there is no such thing as failure, there is no such thing as sin or “the missing of the target”. So I have bought the con job of a bad action has usually bad consequences and I labeled it as becoming a sinner.

    So if I have this right there is no such thing as good, bad, right, wrong, or evil and a lie is just one animal deceiving another animal to gain an advantage, no harm, no consequences, no foul. Survival of the fittest.

    I use to live such a free thought life, I could do anything I wished to anyone I wished just because I felt like it. It is good to know that there are people on this planet who have impeccable lifestyles and never do harm. I wish I was one of them, but I am not.

    “You omitted evidence for god – your personal experiences are irrelevant.”

    Lou you’re not doing a grand job of showing any evidence to prove there is no God other than because you say so. Of course my personal experience is only relevant to me, but I affect the world around. What if I am an asshole that is so free I kill people when I feel like it?

    More of your empirical evidence of no forcer in the known universe is larger than Lou or more powerful. Where is your evidence?

    Hi Scott,

    I hope you and yours is doing well. Beautiful weather here in Texas. Billy Graham is one of the cleanest men I have ever heard. He actually tried to live what he believed in. Like him or not I think the more that we can be honest about who we are is better while we are alive on this planet. Take care.

    Michael

  78. on 28 Jan 2012 at 7:50 pm 78.Lou (DFW) said …

    77.Michael said …

    “So much for ID.”-Could you explain if I missed what you were meaning by ID.”

    Intelligent Design.

    “But the silly part is how they became “sinners.”-Could you explain if I missed what you were meaning by this statement.

    Adam & Eve…

    “So if I have this right there is no such thing as good, bad, right, wrong, or evil and a lie is just one animal deceiving another animal to gain an advantage, no harm, no consequences, no foul. Survival of the fittest.”

    There are no moral absolutes. Morality is the product of social forces.

    “Lou you’re not doing a grand job of showing any evidence to prove there is no God other than because you say so.

    I not making an original claim that there is no god. YOU and theists make the claim that there is god. My “claim” is only that until you provide evidence of god, then it’s nothing but faith – for which YOU have no evidence.

    I CLAIM there’s an invisible purple gnome that lives in my dishwasher. He only speaks to me, and only I can see him. Prove he doesn’t exist as I described. If you reply that you don’t believe it without evidence, that’s NOT A CLAIM. MY CLAIM requires evidence, not your rejection of MY CLAIM.

    Why is that so difficult to understand? Why does that have to explained to you people over and over and over?

    “Of course my personal experience is only relevant to me, but I affect the world around. What if I am an asshole that is so free I kill people when I feel like it?”

    What if you are? Your point?

    “More of your empirical evidence of no forcer in the known universe is larger than Lou or more powerful. Where is your evidence?”

    I didn’t make any such claim. Now you’re making straw man arguments. My comment to you and all other theists who claim there is a god is to provide evidence of it, or admit they have none and their belief is simply one of faith, or recant their claim. It’s that simple.

  79. on 29 Jan 2012 at 1:35 am 79.Michael said …

    Hi Lou,

    You are right. As I said in the beginning post, I have never said this is for anyone other than for someone who has what is called a spiritual experience and comes to believe in God. Then they believe in God based on what they experienced and have faith in that. A dramatic change, inhuman change took place in my life. It is mine not yours. You have to have your own and I also believe it is available within and to us all.

    I understand the no moral absolutes thing. The world really does need a guy like me to have moral absolutes in this life on this planet. The world really does not need a guy like me going into “ survival of the fittest mode.”

    I understand also because of my crutches and vices for needing a God who helps me navigate, I am considered inferior, weak minded and primitive. It is odd to me you will only accept another human being making some good, positive changes in their life if they did it “your way or the highway”. I thought you were more open minded than that.

    Everyone who has been here and is ever going to be here will have an individual, unique, thumbprint. I am not selling anything here Lou, you are.

    I hope you have a nice evening. Later

    Michael

  80. on 29 Jan 2012 at 1:39 am 80.Michael said …

    P.S. Lou,

    Your story of the magic purple gerbil in the washing machine is real to you if you saw him. It is kind of like UFO’s and Big Foot. Once you are standing there and it happens to you, it happened to you no matter what they say. Scientific evidence be damned at that point. lol

    Michael

  81. on 29 Jan 2012 at 12:53 pm 81.Anonymous said …

    Michael, you are rationalizing your experience in order to avoid having to admit that it’s all in your mind.

    It’s complete crap to say “it’s real if it happened to you”. That’s nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

    This is nothing more than the new age bollocks people like Deepak Chopra peddle to the gullible in order to let them believe that the “Universe cares about them”. It’s total and absolute rubbish.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but your experience wasn’t real. It’s as imaginary as is your god. You are simply trying to put a veneer on it to avoid the cognitive dissonance that goes along with having to admit that you’re inventing what you want to be real as opposed to accepting what is.

    Lou isn’t selling anything, you are. Why do you need to project your need for belief in magical nonsense onto others? You’re the one that is trying to convince people – primarily yourself – that there is some kind of special sentient power out there. There isn’t. It’s clear and obvious that there isn’t and that your belief is a self-reinforced delusion. Wake up and face reality.

  82. on 30 Jan 2012 at 5:35 pm 82.Michael said …

    I would say hello, but you are anonymous,

    Dude I am an x heroin addict, I don’t mind blunt, in fact I relish blunt. Blunt is what keeps me grounded in reality and not in brain and my ego. Bring your weak crap on anytime.

    I lived in your scientifically, fact based, no moral absolute world for 25 years. Emotions, love, empathy, sorrow, sadness, joy, grief, hatred, envy, jealousy have no place. But there they are as big as day to violate your anti-septic world of facts.

    In your scientific fact based world, which you have chosen to believe in and you support your own reinforced delusion, invisible things do not exist. They are illusions generated by a brain. You are strangely sounding like a Deepak Chopra believer yourself. “I am, therefore I am”, how funny.

    Your religion of atheism my friend is a flimsy reed in a world of the invisible. 25 years ago I ran as fast I could to get away from your world and your crap. I say crap because all you have is the greatness of man’s brain to count on. Scientifically, factually speaking, every science today can prove this Universe was definitely not created by you or man’s brain.

    I have respect for Deepak Chopra and many others. My belief is even even more focused than Deepak Chopra because my guy is Jesus Christ, the full circle. Jesus is the one everyone keeps stumbling over, arguing about and avoiding. I know you cannot factually, historically, or archeologically discount a man named Jesus Christ being here. It is in many record and archives. Don’t even start to say well the records are all falsified. You know that is more of your crap argument to justify your own delusions and thought. Now that we know Jesus existed what next?

    Jesus could have only been 1 of 3 things. 1. A completely insane nut job, 2. a master con artist or 3. He was exactly who He said He was, God. No in betweens on that one if you follow the evidence and facts. If you go and look at the factual recorders and play out all three choices, the facts point one direction only.

    Everyone believes in no moral absolutes until one of the other humans harms you or a loved one, then you go ballistic with invisible non-existent emotions like any else, LOL! All hale the great amoeba, our Mom & Dad! LOL.

    Time for you to sell some more of your delusions, nonsense and crap my friend. The greatness of man’s intellect is a tuff sales job. If you learn how not to be insulting, I will match you out of respect. Otherwise I will be an insulting turd as well.

    Hope everyone has a good day.

    Michael

  83. on 30 Jan 2012 at 6:13 pm 83.Lou (DFW) said …

    82.Michael said …

    “Everyone believes in no moral absolutes until one of the other humans harms you or a loved one, then you go ballistic with invisible non-existent emotions like any else, LOL! All hale the great amoeba, our Mom & Dad! LOL.”

    You really are ignorant. No moral absolutes doesn’t equal no morals or emotions. The rest of your comments are as equally ignorant, and as such, don’t deserve a reply.

  84. on 30 Jan 2012 at 8:05 pm 84.Michael said …

    Hi Lou,

    How ignorant can you get to believe “there are no more absolutes” and so you made some morals up to live by just because. Why do you place governors or limits on yourself in a world of “survival of the fittest”. Or are they floating morals based on when you need them.

    How ignorant also to exhibit invisible, non-factual emotions that you do not fundamentally believe in scientifically because they are not based in fact and you can’t see or prove their existence. That must be frustrating to one of the highest on the food change.

    How ignorant also to be alive and yet you scientifically, factually do not believe in life. You can’t prove where it comes from. If you say the brain your screwed, because plants do not have brains, just systems and yet they are alive and then they die.

    The rest of my stuff is ignorant because you do not want to deal with it and/or have zero explanation.

    I will give you kudos on smarts though for not biting on my belief in Jesus. Ignorance would be an argument about the physical proof, facts and evidence in the first place. I served up my belief in Jesus Christ as a fat slow pitch and you won’t even go there to explain the factual, historical, or archeological evidence about Him.

    The rest of my stuff is ignorant because you do not want to deal with it and/or have zero explanation, just different brain made delusions than I exhibit.

    I wish you guys could have civil conversation without the name calling.

    Michael

  85. on 30 Jan 2012 at 8:15 pm 85.Anonymous said …

    Michael —

    “I have respect for Deepak Chopra and many others”

    Yes, as a someone capable of conning many people he has done well. As a purveyor of facts, he’s a lost cause.

    “My belief is even even more focused than Deepak Chopra because my guy is Jesus Christ, the full circle”.

    I truly feel sorry for you, it’s a story that a child can see through. Why can’t you?

    “Jesus is the one everyone keeps stumbling over, arguing about and avoiding. I know you cannot factually, historically, or archeologically discount a man named Jesus Christ being here. It is in many record and archives. Don’t even start to say well the records are all falsified. You know that is more of your crap argument to justify your own delusions and thought. Now that we know Jesus existed what next?”

    Can you say nonsense or what? There’s no evidence that the Jesus Christ you worship existed. That you think there is is rather a sad commentary on your lack of insight but is a tribute to the extent of the brainwashing conveyed upon you by the church and your desperation to believe in a “higher power” that is looking out for you.

    “Jesus could have only been 1 of 3 things. 1. A completely insane nut job, 2. a master con artist or 3. He was exactly who He said He was, God. No in betweens on that one if you follow the evidence and facts. If you go and look at the factual recorders and play out all three choices, the facts point one direction only”.

    Well, you missed out answer #4; an invention of a group of nomadic goat-herders based upon previously existing stories and myths. And what factual recorders are you talking about? Please describe what extra-biblical contemporary recorders you are talking about? Or do you mean the well-known forgeries that you want us to pretend aren’t forgoes. Kind of convenient, I suppose.

    Time for you to sell some more of your delusions, nonsense and crap my friend. The greatness of man’s intellect is a tuff sales job. If you learn how not to be insulting, I will match you out of respect. Otherwise I will be an insulting turd as well.

    Religion’s battle cry: Please respect our silly superstitions and don’t tell us that we are talking crap, then we’ll do the same for you.

    Michael, it’s quite easy to respect you as a person whilst pointing out that your arguments are nonsensical and rationalizations. Don’t expect respect for your arguments when they are nonsensical and irrational. You’re calling out tone when you should be providing evidence.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but you’ve made assertions but provided absolutely no evidence whatsoever. That’s why your arguments get no respect. Perhaps you are used to a situation where people mention “beliefs” and accord them “respect” which is another way of saying they don’t bother to examine them critically for fear that their own shortcomings be exposed in return.

    So, let’s hear or see the evidence that you have for the existence of this god and proof that he manifests or interacts in the here and now. If your god is different, then top marks for being yet another person who has cast god in their own projection (i.e. you made up the god that you wish existed). Still, rather than retreating to arguments about tone, some actual evidence would be nice.

    Think about it, you could be the first person in the history of forever to actually provide irrefutable evidence of the existence of a god. Good for you – go for it, I’ll be here when you’re ready.

  86. on 30 Jan 2012 at 8:30 pm 86.Lou (DFW) said …

    84.Michael said …

    “I wish you guys could have civil conversation without the name calling.”

    Don’t confuse name-calling with an observation. Name-calling is an ad hominem attack, not an observation.

    I don’t care about your beliefs, opinions, personal experiences, etc. – only your evidence for your imaginary god. All the rest of it is noise.

  87. on 30 Jan 2012 at 8:40 pm 87.Michael said …

    I know why you remain anonymous.

    I have you figured out now as one who ignores records to continue his own brain made delusions. You aim to convince this group that there is no recorded, factual, historical, or archeological evidence about Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

    Lou did you also want to ignore the recorded physical evidence of a person named Jesus? The Romans wrote about Him. The ROmans have court records of the trial before they crucified Him for His silly notions. The Greeks wrote about Him. HMMM, ignorance is bliss for you as well as me.

    Respect? I never asked for any respect, nor do I need it. I have my beliefs as silly as you believe them to be. At least I have more evidence for mine in recorded history than the silly notion facts, science and the brain are all that exists.

    Science changes daily as they find new facts about how wrong they were in the beginning. We use to be told we could not fly. It is a fact that we can. Bumble bees are also calculated to physically not be able to fly. Just don’t tell the bees the facts and they will be fine, lol.

    Now that is ignoring all the facts, how ignorant. I use to be right where you are anonymous. I use to ignore anything which pointed to a Creator.
    Michael

  88. on 30 Jan 2012 at 9:25 pm 88.Lou (DFW) said …

    87.Michael said …

    “Lou did you also want to ignore the recorded physical evidence of a person named Jesus? The Romans wrote about Him. The ROmans have court records of the trial before they crucified Him for His silly notions. The Greeks wrote about Him. HMMM, ignorance is bliss for you as well as me.”

    (sigh) None of that is evidence for god.

  89. on 30 Jan 2012 at 9:49 pm 89.Michael said …

    Such an easy, comfortable Cop Out Lou. “If I don’t read or discuss it, therefore it does not exist”. I though you guys were the open minded ones.

    And poor Anonymous plainly states,” no evidence of Jesus Christ from Nazareth.” The Romans did better than you guys are doing. I thought we had advanced or evolved passed flat out denial and ignorance. You guys just get afraid and stick your head in the sand.

    I just had a feeling (intangible of course) you would not go down that path. It is a frightening path to anyone to explore if they are truly the open minded wise ones that believe in judicial facts and evidence only.

    So far, I think you are intellectual weenies and I love you anyway. We all know Jesus Christ was crucified because of His claim to be the Son of God. Oh I forgot Anonymous refuses to read his archeology or he read some and stuck his head in the sand at the scary parts.

    Dive in, the water is fine.

    I hope ya’ll are having some nice weather wherever you are. It is beautiful here today in south Texas.

    Later,
    Michael

  90. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:20 pm 90.Lou (DFW) said …

    89.Michael said …

    “Such an easy, comfortable Cop Out Lou. “If I don’t read or discuss it, therefore it does not exist”. I though you guys were the open minded ones.”

    Oh please, give it a rest with the whining and present your evidence for your imaginary god. The bible and your personal experiences are not evidence for god.

    “So far, I think you are intellectual weenies and I love you anyway.”

    Nobody cares what you think. We only want to read what you know – and you know you have no evidence for your imaginary god.

    “We all know Jesus Christ was crucified because of His claim to be the Son of God.”

    True or not, so what?

    “Oh I forgot Anonymous refuses to read his archeology or he read some and stuck his head in the sand at the scary parts.”

    Irrelevant, rambling nonsense.

    Debating your “points” would be similar to an astronomer debating an astrologist, or a chemist debating an alchemist. When you graduate from “astrologist” or “alchemist,” then get back to us.

  91. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:35 pm 91.Curmudgeon said …

    Michael,

    Funny and great post. Intellectual weenies sums them up very well. It is so easy to see the depths of their own research haven’t gone past Dr Suess.

    Great weather here and some great skiing coming up.

  92. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:38 pm 92.Michael said …

    Thank you for the insight on you, Lou. That is the usual problem with people that perceive themselves to be a superior, refined, more powerful intellect. You are really just troglodytes living your made up delusion.

    I found out I was just an angry, sorry prick who enjoyed calling others names and picking them apart for any reason if they did not agree with me. I was completely unsociable in my own little delusional world. I claimed to read this and that, but it was a lie. Never read it, just a mouth yapping that I investigated. I claimed to want facts and evidence and I really didn’t. I was just an argumentative prick with a gerbil cage I was trapped in by my high intellectual thoughts.

    How is the gerbil cage going?

    Michael

  93. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:44 pm 93.Lou (DFW) said …

    91.Curmudgeon said …

    “Funny and great post.”

    I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that you think so. I expect nothing more from you.

    “Intellectual weenies sums them up very well.”

    Right, and so are all the other people who for thousands of years lived without any knowledge or evidence of your imaginary god (and who went on to discover the truth about nature). There’s a very simple reason for that – there is no such evidence.

    Despite the fact that you are constantly exposed for the fraud that you are, at least you can get some satisfaction by playing pat-a-cake with “Michael.”

  94. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:46 pm 94.Michael said …

    Hi Curmudgeon,

    I really should not lower myself to the name calling. It feels bad to me on the inside to say things that are ugly. They seem to enjoy communicating that way. I am digging the humid weather here and you are digging the snow and skiing there. What a weather system God designed to take care of this blue marble we live on.

    Be safe on the slopes.

    Michael

  95. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:50 pm 95.Michael said …

    You need to actually read books Lou, not just make things up randomly and expect others to believe you. Read, investigate, learn, live and be free from “the bondage of self”.

    It makes you a liar and an unpleasant person when you make things up as real.

    Later,
    Michael

  96. on 30 Jan 2012 at 10:55 pm 96.Michael said …

    I thought maybe this was a deeper group, but it seems the only ones that read anything and investigate are believers in God. How funny, sad and ignorant.

    Michael

  97. on 30 Jan 2012 at 11:12 pm 97.Anonymous said …

    Michael, still waiting on you to get past tone and provide fact. Do you think no one had noticed that you’ve not provided one fact, just empty and emotional claim. No wonder you are diving into the usual diversionary arguments.

    South Texas? Yes, I actually made one of my posts to you from there. It was deeply disturbing to sit on a bench looking at a geological feature and overhear otherwise normal-looking people talk about how they couldn’t wait to get to heaven so that they could see these things with their dead relatives. But don’t worry, when one person pointed out how beautiful fault lines were, and how they were proof of god’s design, I was quite respectful with my geology lesson.

  98. on 30 Jan 2012 at 11:31 pm 98.Curmudgeon said …

    Without a doubt Michael. One of the reasons I like being on the slopes. Frankly, I am always amazed anyone who has any concept of the the Human Genome can just claim CHNOPS did it. Maybe they think it is some higher power, I dunno.

    Be safe.

  99. on 30 Jan 2012 at 11:47 pm 99.Michael said …

    You are ones of those who is just ranter Anonymous. Angry at things around you I guess. No investigation outside of your armchair.

    People could pile books and archeological evidence, the personal writings of Pilot who tried Jesus, the tomb of Caiphas, the chief priest who put Him on trial. Jesus Christ could sit down with you and show Himself and sadly you are just a name calling ranter and complainer. You would call Him a fool and an inferior mind.

    You see Anonymous, you have to read not just babble your opinions that your delusional brain makes up. You have to actually read yourself. I use to have a wall of books in my office to impress people. Never read a one. I would look at the title and tell you cover to cover the deep intellectual properties of the books and never read them. I was a con artist and liar.

    So you explained Geology to the inferior humans and completely ruined there moment as usual. So you do read, just selective reading to keep your gerbil cage going. Real professional geologists have always looked to the Bible for accuracy in terms of geology, locations and timing.

    But not the wise such ones as yourself. You are beyond wisdom and facts and reading.

    I hope ya’ll have a good evening.

    Michael

  100. on 30 Jan 2012 at 11:49 pm 100.Michael said …

    I am with you on that Curmudgeon. Evidence will never provide faith. Have a nice evening.

  101. on 30 Jan 2012 at 11:51 pm 101.Lou (DFW) said …

    99.Michael said …

    “Real professional geologists have always looked to the Bible for accuracy in terms of geology, locations and timing.”

    Now the truth is clear, you’re just another religious wacko nut-job.

  102. on 30 Jan 2012 at 11:57 pm 102.Lou (DFW) said …

    100.Michael said …

    “I am with you on that Curmudgeon. Evidence will never provide faith. Have a nice evening.”

    REALLY?! Nobody here claimed otherwise. In fact, it is been explained over and over here that’s all you have – FAITH – a belief in something for which there is no evidence.

    At least you finally admitted that you have no evidence for your imaginary god.

    Sheesh!

  103. on 31 Jan 2012 at 12:14 am 103.Anonymous said …

    Michael, notice how you avoid every request for you to show that your god is anything but an imaginary friend. Why do you think you do that?

    Is it because you have proof, or is it because the only way you have of dealing with someone questioning you, is to discredit them so as to avoid having to consider their questions?

    That’s why your belief is a self-reinforcing delusion and that’s why you are so angry at it being questioned. Were this god real, you’d be easily able to engage in discussion. Instead, you provide endless excuse after excuse, rationalization after rationalization, everything and anything other than actually proving your point. Were this a discussion on anything other then religion you’d see how facile your case is. Instead, you almost certainly think you are beimg attacked, yet that is another hallmark of a cult in that critical thought is suppressed by denigrating anyone who might disagree with you or cause you to question your training.

    That, by the way, is another reason why religion is such a dangerous thing and a scourge on society.

  104. on 31 Jan 2012 at 12:21 am 104.Michael said …

    Hi Lou,

    In my very first post, I told you this is a matter of faith. You guys are stuck in an intellectual gerbil cage and you don not even read books. I understand your fear of Jesus and his claim to be God. Just rant your way out of it or throw a fit to shut people up. It does not work on me.

    You guys are just complainers and haters of life itself. Follow the Jesus story and free yourself from your self imposed restraints.

    Have a nice evening, Lou.

  105. on 31 Jan 2012 at 12:22 am 105.Lou (DFW) said …

    99.Michael said …

    “Real professional geologists have always looked to the Bible for accuracy in terms of geology, locations and timing.”

    G. Brent Dalrymple,
    U.S. Geological Survey, said …

    “Scientific” creationism does not provide any rational basis for meaningful scientific investigations of the Earth, the Solar System, or the universe. To accept or even take seriously the tenets of “scientific” creationism requires total abandonment of the results of two centuries of scientific investigations and of the principles of objectivity, rationality, and open-minded inquiry that are fundamental to science.

    G. Brent Dalrymple,
    U.S. Geological Survey

  106. on 31 Jan 2012 at 12:26 am 106.Lou (DFW) said …

    104.Michael said …

    “In my very first post, I told you this is a matter of faith.”

    What part of “we don’t care about your faith” don’t you understand?

    But, please show us where in this thread where you (first) wrote “this is a matter of faith.”

  107. on 31 Jan 2012 at 12:57 am 107.Anonymous said …

    So you explained Geology to the inferior humans and completely ruined there moment as usual.

    Leaving aside the over-generalization (more attempts at poisoning the well), here you express your desire for people to remain uneducated about the real world if it would clash with their desire for fantasy. Why would you prefer not to know the truth when the explanation is much more interesting and engaging than the throw-away answer of a magic man in the sky did it? This is special-pleading for religion – would you say this if the discussion were over which was the “best” sports-car?

    Do you not see how this is an attempt at emotional blackmail in order to maintain ignorance?

  108. on 31 Jan 2012 at 2:23 am 108.DPK said …

    Letters of Pontius Pilate

    This would appear hilarious if not for the tragic results that can occur from believing in fiction: many faithful (especially on the internet) have a strong belief that Pontius Pilate actually wrote letters to Seneca in Rome where he mentions Jesus and his reported healing miracles.

    Considering the lack of investigational temper of the religious mind, it might prove interesting to the critical reader that the main source for the letters of Pilate come from W. P. Crozier’s 1928 book titled, “Letters of Pontius Pilate: Written During His Governorship of Judea to His Friend Seneca in Rome.” The book cites Crozier as the editor as if he represented a scholar who edited Pilate’s letters. Well, from the title, it certainly seems to indicate that Pilate wrote some letters doesn’t it? However, unbeknownst or ignored by the uncritical faithful, this book represents Crozier’s first novel, a fictionalized account of what he thought Pilate would have written.

    During the first publication, no one believed this novel represented fact and reviews of the day reveal it as a work of fiction.

    Crozier, a newspaper editor, went to Oxford University and retained an interest in Latin, Greek and the Bible. He wrote this novel as if it represented the actual letters of Pilate. Of course no scholar would cite this as evidence because no letters exist of Pilate to Seneca, and Seneca never mentions Jesus in any of his writings.

    The belief in Pilate’s letters represents one of the more amusing fad beliefs in evidential Jesus, however, it also reveals just how myths, fakes, and fictions can leak into religious thought. Hundreds of years from now, Crozier’s fictionalized account may very well end up just as ‘reliable’ as the gospels.

    Michael… read and learn:
    http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

  109. on 31 Jan 2012 at 2:35 am 109.Anonymous said …

    You guys are just complainers and haters of life itself. Follow the Jesus story and free yourself from your self imposed restraints.

    Do you know nothing about your own religion? Well, actually most Xtians don’t. As a believer isn’t your ultimate achievement to finish this life so you can go to the next one? Conversely, those of us that live in the real world relish every second of it and feel nothing other than sadness for those of you wasting your time in pursuit of a non-existent after life. It’s beyond stupid for you to try to pretend that someone unaffected by your delusion hates life.

    As for following the Jesus story. Yes, we have – isn’t it time you did the same for yourself? The fact that you can offer nothing more than emotional appeals and personal comments is proof enough that you have nothing to offer other than you desire for your fantasy to be reality.

    It really is disappointing how the typical response from a theist to being asked to provide evidence is to attack the character of others. I know it’s all you have, but it’s still pathetic and rather sad.

  110. on 31 Jan 2012 at 7:03 am 110.Severin said …

    “Follow the Jesus story and free yourself from your self imposed restraints.”

    Say you!

    Another one told me:
    “Follow the Mohammad story …”

    How to decide?
    Why Jesus, why not Allah?

  111. on 31 Jan 2012 at 7:22 am 111.Anonymous said …

    In my very first post, I told you this is a matter of faith.

    Which is it, Michael? If it’s a matter of religious faith then why are you trying to convince yourself that there is evidence for your imaginary friend? If there was evidence, you wouldn’t need faith.

  112. on 31 Jan 2012 at 7:26 am 112.Anonymous said …

    “Why Jesus, why not Allah?”

    Why not the creator that lives in Lou’s washing machine? [sarcasm]You must really hate him that you don’t even list that as an option. It’s typical of you atheists that you live your lives denying the power of Lou’s washing machine. You should really be more open minded[/sarcasm]

  113. on 31 Jan 2012 at 12:52 pm 113.Lou (DFW) said …

    112.Anonymous said …

    “Why not the creator that lives in Lou’s washing machine?”

    Just like a typical theist, you perverted my religion to suit your own set of selfish beliefs. The Invisible Purple Gnome lives in my DISHWASHER, not my washing machine. Now go and start your own denomination of the Invisible Purple Gnome!

    Actually, this is probably an accurate demonstration of how religion evolves, no pun intended.

  114. on 31 Jan 2012 at 4:13 pm 114.Michael said …

    Hi DPK,

    I never even mentioned letters to Seneca to anyone. You do realize the Romans were meticulous at recording government business as well as important daily events. I will give you kudos DPK, you at least read something instead of just making it up and acting like you read.

    No matter your conclusion or your personal hatred or denial of Him, the trial of Jesus Christ from Nazareth happened and then Jesus was crucified along with two thieves. Recorded history from several different sources, views and angles in the records of the event.

    Hi Lou, I stand corrected on screwing up The Invisible Purple Gnome lives in my DISHWASHER. It reminded me of the gerbil cage of intellect I used to keep myself in. The Invisible Purple Gnome that lives in your DISHWASHER is a better image. Constant intellectual circles that go nowhere except you have soap suds.

    Lou, Ask your friend with the Geologic Survey if the Bible has been accurate Historically as far dates, names and places, Geologically as far as locations and places described, Archeologically verified with relics and artifacts from the people of that day and time and so far the future which we are in now looks almost identical to the way the Bible said it would.

    The question was not, “is your friend a Believer in Jesus Christ or what his opinion of Jesus. Is the Bible an accurate book of recorded history. There you will find a cornucopia of scientists from all studies that say, “yes it is an accurate book in those areas. That would include scientists who are believers and non-belivers who are trying to find their way out of your intellectual washing machine.

    Hi Severin and Anonymous,

    Why not Allah? I studied what Allah had to say and compared that to his actions. I did this with many of the religions to find the answer, why not Allah, why not Buddha? Some in the Jewish faith at the time of the crucifixion, witnessed the event and made the decision that Jesus was the Messiah, some in the Jewish faith are still waiting on the Messiah today. They did not believe Jesus met all of the signs which told of One, the Messiah that was coming.

    The difference is the things Jesus Christ said matched his actions 100%. While He was on this planet Jesus had more integrity. He walked the same way He talked. He was a decent Man, never hurt anyone, except maybe their pride and ego. His claim was to be the Son of God. That was different than the rest. I followed and investigated His claim as best I could and discovered what the Bible calls Jesus, a stumbling block to trip over. Too many witnesses from too many angles writing the same things about the guy named Jesus.

    Lou’s Purple Gnome is still trapped in the intellectual washing machine by his ego that does not want to deal with the story of Jesus Christ.

    I found myself trapped in my intellectual Gerbil Cage arguing that I was right. I was right, right along with Lou and his Purple Gnome in the Washing Machine for 25 years arguing while I was pissing on life, creation and those around me.

    I made the fatal intellectual mistake of following the historical records of a Man named Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I investigated without the years of hate, anger, resentment I had been taught. I decide I was free to change my circle of friends, I was free from the Gerbil Cage.

    Man that was too long winded. I could have served soup in the soup line to 50 people already. That is the problem with thinking and no action. Faith is an action.

    Bottom Line: You guys need to start reading books instead of just telling people you read books. My personal Jihad if you will is this; Why do I have so much hate and contempt for this guy named Jesus and the decent things He did for people while He was here? Let go and let God, LOL!

    I hope ya’ll have a great day today. Later, Michael

  115. on 31 Jan 2012 at 4:33 pm 115.Michael said …

    P.S. Jesus Christ of Nazareth overcame the flaw in the design of self. That was the story in the Garden of Eden. I will choose to do this, even though I was told it is dangerous or harmful. I will not listen to anyone and or sometimes I will listen to the lie of the darker nature in all of us.

    Jesus overcame the “death” caused by listening to the darker side of our nature. And then Cain killed Able. It did not say Cain had was forced to kill Able. Cain mad a decision to kill Able. I don’t know why people make those kinds of destructive decisions. The point is there is a better and higher path to follow which leads to everlasting life.

    No other belief promises that by trying to overcome evil or darkness and following Jesus to the best of your ability results in eternal life. He died and rose from the grave with witnesses recording the event.

    There is a fat slow pitch for you to tee off on, lol!

  116. on 31 Jan 2012 at 5:35 pm 116.Severin said …

    114 Michael
    “His claim was to be the Son of God. That was different than the rest.“

    It was not different than the rest!
    Millions of kings, emperors, lunatics and frauds, who were confirmed to be historical figures, claimed they were gods.
    Tuthankamon is only one example of millions.
    Why would I trust Jesus, and would not trust Tuthankamon?

  117. on 31 Jan 2012 at 5:47 pm 117.Severin said …

    „He died and rose from the grave with witnesses recording the event.“

    IF Jesus existed, and IF he was crucifixed:
    He was on the cross for about 2.5 to 3 hours.
    He was put down the cross, brought to the tomb, and let alone there.

    Scenario that makes sense:
    He was not dead, only unconscious, when put down the cross. He recovered in the tomb, and walked out, maybe alone, and maybe assisted by some of his disciples or ladies who came to wash him.
    He, and his discples understood how enormeous capital is in the story of his resurrection, and they thought the story up, accepted it, and spread the story around.

    Not very reliably, just look the differences in descriptions!

    Nothing but a fraud.

  118. on 31 Jan 2012 at 5:51 pm 118.Severin said …

    “No other belief promises that by trying to overcome evil or darkness and following Jesus to the best of your ability results in eternal life.”

    Other religions support an exploit the story of eternal life too.

    However, atheists do not believe in eternal life and have no need to believe in gods or god’s children.

  119. on 31 Jan 2012 at 6:32 pm 119.Curmudgeon said …

    Michael

    Are there any particular apologist you like to read like Craig, McDowell or Mohler?

  120. on 31 Jan 2012 at 6:34 pm 120.Michael said …

    I have to wait now. The moderator has spoken and said I am posting to often. For people who believe in nothing you sure try to control everyone. LOL!

    I hope this makes it through the moderator now.

    Michael

  121. on 31 Jan 2012 at 7:48 pm 121.Michael said …

    Hi Curmudgeon,

    C.S Lewis and what was called Lewis’s Trilemma. Basically the investigation of Jesus Christ, His life, His words and His actions on trial. THe results you end up with is what Lewis described as Jesus is a “Lunatic, Liar or Lord” or “Mad, Bad or God. I also liked Strobel’s, A case for Christ. Many different angles of view of this Guy who finally said basically He and His Father, God are one in the same.

    The movie on Netflix streaming “The Quatum Activist” is a lot of fun. This man has one of the simplest views of the properties of God which the Bible describes such as Omniscient, Omnipresent and can prove them easily possible through modern physics and string theory. He is also fun to listen to. Just food for thought. The transfiguration is not far fetched in science.

    Bottom Line: When you have popped out of the intellectual gerbil cage, arguing a magnificent world going nowhere, you are close to being saved and close to being a follower of the Creator and Jesus Christ. You just have to stop arguing, and accept. That’s difficult for the ego to accomplish.

    Let me know if you have any good ones Curmudgeon.

    Oh there is one called “Incredible Creatures that Defy Evolution. Great photography and good science from believers who happen to be scientist. Also on Netflix Streaming.

    Later,
    Michael

  122. on 01 Feb 2012 at 8:07 pm 122.Michael said …

    Hi all,

    I just thought I would ask how many on this blog believe in the hoax of evolution. I say that because of all the fraudulent claims which have been scientifically proven to be false. What is strange is they continue teaching the quackery in public schools.

    What is up with teaching failed theories in science as fact?

    I hope everyone has a good day.
    Michael

  123. on 01 Feb 2012 at 10:20 pm 123.alex said …

    sorry, but I cannot resist.

    “I just thought I would ask how many on this blog believe in the hoax of evolution?”

    Evolution may be be theory and maybe even a hoax, but your Creationist alternative should not even be in the discussion. Your god is fake/powerless/impotent and neurotic. How dare you propose teaching that Creationism crap?

    Bring on your god curse.

  124. on 01 Feb 2012 at 10:56 pm 124.Michael said …

    I did not propose teaching anything Alex, but Hi anyway. I do think it is weird to teach a hoax as scientific fact. Maybe that is why we are so behind in science studies in this country. Sort of like teaching global warming, cooling maybe climate change sounds better.

    I appreciate your answer sort of. You definitely have my God confused with the god you learned about. Sorry that happened to you.

    Michael

  125. on 01 Feb 2012 at 11:14 pm 125.Lou (DFW) said …

    122.Michael said …

    “I just thought I would ask how many on this blog believe in the hoax of evolution.”

    I just thought I would ask how many on this blog believe in the hoax of heliocentrism. (There is actually more evidence for evolution than there is for heliocentrism.)

    Regardless of what you answer, it’s irrelevant to the fact that you don’t have any evidence for your imaginary god. But guys like Michael and Cur have no other defense than to argue about irrelevant tangents like evolution.

  126. on 01 Feb 2012 at 11:16 pm 126.Lou (DFW) said …

    124.Michael said …

    “I did not propose teaching anything Alex, but Hi anyway. I do think it is weird to teach a hoax as scientific fact.”

    I think it’s weird that someone like Hor, I mean “Michael,” lies about evolution being a “hoax.” Even if it was, it’s irrelevant to the fact that Hor, I mean “Michael,” doesn’t have any evidence for his imaginary god.

  127. on 01 Feb 2012 at 11:40 pm 127.DPK said …

    I kind of thought Michael was just a misguided soul, now I realize he is actually dumber than a bag of hammers, and way more gullible.
    Have at it Michael……

  128. on 01 Feb 2012 at 11:55 pm 128.Michael said …

    Gosh it would be a funny seen if this group ever met in a bar or restaurant. DPK walks in and says hey you dumb sack of hammers, Lou says hey Hor you prick, Alex says you impotent, neurotic asshole…

    Michael says, It is a simple question of teaching things that have been proven wrong in certain areas you pack of backwards Troglodytes….lol

    Later,
    Michael

  129. on 01 Feb 2012 at 11:56 pm 129.alex said …

    “I do think it is weird to teach a hoax as scientific fact.”

    You, the expert, declares evolution as a hoax. You, deny the fossil records? If you don’t propose teaching anything, are you suggesting that we don’t teach anything at all? Then, what is your game?

    I, an atheist, don’t have an answer for everything. I’m not too sure about dark energy or matter. But, I would be foolish to suggest that a god is the force propelling the accelerating universe. Maybe the universe is not speeding up, but the color shift suggests otherwise.

  130. on 02 Feb 2012 at 1:48 am 130.Anonymous said …

    That there are people older than 5 years old, who are not in hospitals being treated for brain injuries or mental illness, and who desperately want to believe that the subject of evolution being indisputable fact wasn’t settled years ago, speaks volumes as to why American education is the laughing stock of the first world.

    Really, Americans need to see how people laugh at them every day of the week when the subject of supposedly-educated people believing in rib-women and talking snakes comes up. If you could all see that, then maybe you’d be a little more proactive at either locking up or ridiculing these imbeciles that continue to waste your time with such stupid and pointless arguments.

  131. on 02 Feb 2012 at 2:36 am 131.Michael said …

    Hi Alex and Anonymous,

    I am not an expert at any of this stuff other than I studied a lot of things on my own for my own life. I also do not appreciate American or World History being tinkered with in either direction.

    The archeological records, fossils, manuscripts, hieroglyphs, scrolls and such, most of the time are more correct in translations because they did not have as hi grade of agendas or media as modern society. I have read that way back the scribes were meticulous about recording the written word. They did not have a delete button. Romans got killed for screwing it up.

    I also do not think every contribution from evolution scientist has been a lie or a hoax. Good science is good science, bad is bad. There are some know facts about speculative claims in evolution that have been proved to be lies. It should be recanted with no embarrassment, but definitely not taught.

    I do know the Lucy find was severely debunked by most scientist at the time. It is still taught and highly regarded. You will still see full size figures of an ape-like woman in museums and stuff. There were not enough bones found to put that together like that and then to tie into the human tree of apes was wrong.

    Scales that evolved into feathers and vice versa. A bird has to come out the egg with all systems ready to grow up and fly or it dies, not evolve. Scale material is to heavy for flight. Feathers are a horrible permanent underwater material, that’s all. Some of that stuff, in fact a lot of that stuff does not make mathematical or chemical sense.

    Oh and by the way, Anonymous, chill out, you backwards Troglodyte, it’s just a theory not enough facts to be other than a hypothesis, lol. Those children are not undergoing evolution by almost all accounts.

    Today I suspect man’s use of chemicals for everything in life is to blame for many things that are abnormalities. Especially in the U.S. We sell Round Up to kill Dandelions. Dandelions are a great food eaten all over the world. You can eat the entire plant and it is extremely healthy for you. There are great recipes on line to use it with. What a crop, they grow like…weeds…we poison them as fast as possible. No wonder we have no fireflies near cities and active farms.

    I prefer dandelions and seeing fireflies at night. And we could use a few more honeybees. We will regret wiping them out.

    If evolution was in full swing we should see the mutant in between skeletons everywhere in every species and we don’t.

    Later,
    Michael

  132. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:04 am 132.Anonymous said …

    Michael, I’m serious. A European five-year old could finish you off in a heartbeat on the subject of evolution. It’s not a question of chilling, it’s a question of you celebrating being ignorant.

    You are upset that we are pointing out the stupidity of your arguments? Easily fixed, go get an education then come back and try again. Evolution is settled. Move on.

    As for your reverence for the scribes of old? You really are an idiot, aren’t you? There is absolutely no logic to your words, just rambling designed to support your ridiculous delusion.

    Go back to school. You are embarrassing yourself.

  133. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:06 am 133.Ben said …

    Michael,

    The fossil record does not support evolution in the slightest without a lot of great art work. That is the real fact.

    Evolution is seriously lacking and has become the great hoax in order to keep research money flowing. Anyone who looks at the facts for themselves can see this for themselves. I fell for it myself for many years before educating myself.

  134. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:09 am 134.Michael said …

    Goodnight Anonymous, you close minded backwards Troglodyte. And I mean that in the highest regards. Contempt is a vicious beast, almost a permanent lead shield.

    Later,
    Michael

  135. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:21 am 135.Lou (DFW) said …

    128.Michael said …

    “Gosh it would be a funny seen if this group ever met in a bar or restaurant. DPK walks in and says hey you dumb sack of hammers, Lou says hey Hor you prick, Alex says you impotent, neurotic asshole…”

    Yes, it would be funny if these things happened, but they don’t. But, like all the other things in Hors, I mean “Micheal’s” pathetic life, they are figments of his imagination – a lie.

  136. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:22 am 136.Anonymous said …

    Lou, DPK, et al – why do you continue to entertain these ridiculous discussion with trolls?

    By taking part in these never ending discussions on “origins” you allow these dolts to act as if there is substance to their delusion. There isn’t.

    It doesn’t matter how often the Horatio character posts under his many aliases, it’s a diversion to tie you up in knots whilst he wanks off to his Jesus doll content that you are no longer challenging his delusion. He never answers your questions and will always fall back on his only truthful comment – that he doesn’t understand your answer. “Christianity, where ignorance is a virtue”.

  137. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:27 am 137.Lou (DFW) said …

    134.Michael said …

    You guys understand that Michael is a nut-case, right?

  138. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:29 am 138.Anonymous said …

    Close minded. Yes, it’s invariably called on by people who are caught in an indefensible position and are frustrated that there are others who value intelligence and critical thought over fantasy and wishful thinking.

    Here’s a video for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

  139. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:37 am 139.Anonymous said …

    Oh, you called me a Troglodyte? Michael, good on you.

    Do you mean pan troglodytes? If so, perhaps I misjudged you as that’s a member of the family of great apes, just as you and I are – and there was I thinking you rejected the concept of our having a common ancestor. You know, as in evolution.

  140. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:44 am 140.Michael said …

    It is “Ignorance is Bliss”. Christianity, “is Ignorance is Bliss”, lol.

    Goodnight Lou, aren’t you the one with the Purple Gnome in the Washing Machine, and you call me a not-case. You pack of backwards Troglodites, now goodnight.

    Michael

  141. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:47 am 141.Michael said …

    Oh and your right Ben and goodnight.

    Michael

  142. on 02 Feb 2012 at 4:07 am 142.DPK said …

    “Lou, DPK, et al – why do you continue to entertain these ridiculous discussion with trolls?”

    You are right A.. it’s pointless. Like trying to hold a reasonable conversation with a bunch of flat earthers. No wonder America is the laughing stock of the world. Ignorance is tragic, willful ignorance is, well there are just no words, really.

  143. on 02 Feb 2012 at 8:19 am 143.Lou (DFW) said …

    133.Ben said …

    “Evolution is seriously lacking and has become the great hoax in order to keep research money flowing.”

    If evolution received only a fraction of the money that the Catholic church has made on its hoax…

    Oh, by the way, the Catholic church accepts evolution as fact…even the hucksters can understand science while their “flock” remains brainwashed…

  144. on 02 Feb 2012 at 8:34 am 144.Lou (DFW) said …

    134.Michael said …

    “Goodnight Anonymous, you close minded backwards Troglodyte.”

    This from someone whose comments are riddled with grammar and punctuation errors.

    The true measure of a man is his ability to understand his limitations and inadequacies. Michael, you are severely lacking in that regard. You are actually too stupid to realize how stupid you are. When you make ad hominem attacks, at least ask someone to proofread your comments before posting them. Your comments, regardless of the absurdity of your ideas, are obviously the product of a poorly educated person.

    P.S. Hor, “they” constantly expose you.

  145. on 02 Feb 2012 at 12:20 pm 145.Anonymous said …

    You guys understand that Michael is a nut-case, right?

    Let’s see. This is someone who is proud to admit in public that his best friend is an invisible man in the sky who he believes created an entire universe just so unfortunates like him could waste their time believing that they’d still be alive after they dies but only as long as they don’t become any more educated than a bronze-age goat-herder?

    Maybe your question was rhetorical.

  146. on 02 Feb 2012 at 2:57 pm 146.Michael said …

    Good morning All,

    What a beautiful day and I hope all you are feeling nice and refreshed. We are getting some rain and that is fantastic.

    If no believers ever come to visit this group to see what it is about, do any of you ever discuss anything amongst yourselves? Or is this just a booby trap group? You wake up only when someone who disagrees shows up so you can call them names and insults to feel superior when you run them off.

    I get the feeling Lou DPK, Anonymous might hate each other as well and never talk to one another until a victim shows up to make their miserable minds whole. Have you ever discussed anything with each other? You guys are very weird, but funny.

    I notice you never discuss the mechanics of evolution. Silence from all of you on scales evolving into feathers or will feathers function on a fish or are scales to stiff and heavy for flight? Nothing, blank, empty, zero, silence.

    Do you actually accept unquestioned the theory of evolution? That is strange like an automaton. You are stronger believers than I thought. Kind of a odd religion you have but to each his own. Is Lou the High Priest and DPK, Anon, Alex worship at his alter or how does this work amongst you. Scary!

    Later,
    Michael

  147. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:02 pm 147.Michael said …

    I guess your groups High Priest, whoever it is will need to block me from posting. The reason I say that is this is too interesting to not be a part of. I have never seen anything like the worship here except in a church.

    I hope the High Priest will let me stay. lol!

    Michael

  148. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:14 pm 148.Anonymous said …

    So, “Michael” got any evidence for the existence of this god of yours or not?

  149. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:17 pm 149.Michael said …

    There is no God in this Church you have built. Are you the High Priest Anon?

    Michael

  150. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:18 pm 150.Lou (DFW) said …

    146.Michael said …

    “I notice you never discuss the mechanics of evolution. Silence from all of you on scales evolving into feathers or will feathers function on a fish or are scales to stiff and heavy for flight? Nothing, blank, empty, zero, silence.”

    That’s because this a blog for the discussion of god and religion, not evolution. What part of that don’t you understand?!

    If you want to discuss evolution, then go to an evolution forum. If you want to discuss your imaginary god, then please provide your evidence it.

  151. on 02 Feb 2012 at 3:31 pm 151.Michael said …

    I want to know who the High Priest is of this cult like religious group. Is it you Lou? You are the one with Purple Gnome. Or do worship at the throne of Anon?

    “That’s because this a blog for the discussion of god and religion, not evolution. What part of that don’t you understand?!”

    Is a discussion about the worship of small god’s and other cult like religions a valid topic for this group? Go ask your High Priest and let me know. I want to speak with the High Priest. LOL!

    Michael

  152. on 02 Feb 2012 at 4:13 pm 152.Lou (DFW) said …

    151.Michael said …

    “Is a discussion about the worship of small god’s [sic] and other cult like religions a valid topic for this group?”

    No…

    “WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com is a web site that explores the existence of God. This blog accompanies the site and explores God and religion in our world today.”

    It is for the discussion GOD, not evolution. You can maintain this charade for as long as you wish, then you will disappear like all the other frauds who, like you, NEVER, EVER provide evidence of your imaginary god.

  153. on 02 Feb 2012 at 4:30 pm 153.Michael said …

    “This blog accompanies the site and explores”…….

    “God and religion in our world today.”

    That is what I was trying to do. You act like a cult like group. Cults have leaders.

    Everyone, even vitriolic, hateful atheist have something they worship controlling them. Whatever is controlling you, motivating you and driving you is usually your god. Maybe a small, tiny false god, but a god you are worshipping at the moment. Alcohol and Heroin were my gods for a long time. I worshipped them and lived my life for them. Everyone has a god even if it is yourself or your thoughts.

    Can we talk about that? It seems to fit it with “gods in our world today”.

    If we can’t talk about this, then I want to speak with the High Priest of your little following?

    Michael

  154. on 02 Feb 2012 at 4:59 pm 154.Lou (DFW) said …

    153.Michael said …

    “If we can’t talk about this, then I want to speak with the High Priest of your little following?”

    Go ahead, he’s just as real as the god that you talk to.

  155. on 02 Feb 2012 at 6:10 pm 155.Lou (DFW) said …

    153.Michael said …

    “Alcohol and Heroin were my gods for a long time.”

    That explains your mental and intellectual incapacity – your brain is drug-damaged. All you did was replace one form of mind-numbing addition with another one – religion.

    How many people posted comments here stating that they replaced drug additions with religion. It’s odd how that works, isn’t it? Is commenting here against atheists part of their twelve-step program?

  156. on 02 Feb 2012 at 7:03 pm 156.Michael said …

    Actually I just realized I did not come here to comment against atheist. I use to be one and know several who can engage in a civil conversation with other human beings. I actually like learning from others. There is nothing to learn from you guys.

    Lou, the High Priest and this little cult following just seem to be a pack rude, insulting, backwards Troglodytes. There is no excuse for you and your behavior. God has you covered though, I’m sure.

    I know Anon says he is proud to be a backwards Troglodyte. Part of the family tree of apes and worse you all still act like apes. You should either evolve eventually or open the door and get out of your gerbil wheel of ape thoughts.

    Later,
    Michael

  157. on 02 Feb 2012 at 7:14 pm 157.Curmudgeon said …

    “That explains your mental and intellectual incapacity – your brain is drug-damaged.”

    Michael isn’t it loving comments like Lou’s that draws people to atheism? It just gives one a warm fuzzy feeling.

  158. on 02 Feb 2012 at 7:17 pm 158.Curmudgeon said …

    “I notice you never discuss the mechanics of evolution. Silence from all of you”

    Do you know why Michael? There is not any evidence or proof for these phenomena. The text books draw nice little pictures and they believe. To be frank, I did as well when I was younger but I wised up.

  159. on 02 Feb 2012 at 8:14 pm 159.Anonymous said …

    As has been said, we’re willing to go along with your views on evolution so that you can get to your point. So lets proceed as if we’ve all “wised up” like you.

    So, tell us, you’ve had almost three months now, what proof do you have that your god exists?

  160. on 02 Feb 2012 at 8:24 pm 160.Lou (DFW) said …

    157.Curmudgeon said …

    “Michael isn’t it loving comments like Lou’s that draws people to atheism? It just gives one a warm fuzzy feeling.”

    One again, Hor, I mean Cur, lies about atheists in order to attack them. My comments aren’t in the name of atheism and you know it. As I commented before, you aren’t only intellectually dishonest, you are entirely dishonest.

  161. on 02 Feb 2012 at 8:30 pm 161.Lou (DFW) said …

    158.Curmudgeon said …

    “Do you know why Michael? There is not any evidence or proof for these phenomena. The text books draw nice little pictures and they believe.”

    Yes, all those scientists with Phds, and those simpletons who are mapping the human genome are wasting their time. What the hell is wrong with them?! Why don’t they listen to intellectual giants such as Crum and Michael posting their wisdom ?on inet blogs?

    “To be frank, I did as well when I was younger but I wised up.”

    Yeah, like Michael did after all those years of frying his brain on drugs. It does a body good. First rot your brain, then turn to religion. I forgot, Cur – what’s your excuse? Was it only booze for you?

  162. on 02 Feb 2012 at 8:34 pm 162.Lou (DFW) said …

    156.Michael said …

    “Actually I just realized I did not come here to comment against atheist.”

    You “just realized” it?! When theists are confronted about their fraud, they inevitably lose part of their facade to show their true personality, just like you did.

  163. on 02 Feb 2012 at 9:44 pm 163.Michael said …

    I’ve angered the High Priest again Curmudgeon. I hope you are doing well today. It is quite a disgraceful group of children here. I was about to ask the age of the members, but just because someone has grown physically larger and older does not mean mature.

    I also wonder if they act like this in public or do they always blurt incoherent advice to anyone they disagree with. By posting that sentence maybe one of from the clan of apes will let me know in their usual mature style.

    Okay, so where were we, Lou, I understand it makes you angry when people talk about God without proof.

    I ask you, can you show conclusive evidence God does not exist?

    Take Care,
    Michael

  164. on 02 Feb 2012 at 10:18 pm 164.Lou (DFW) said …

    163.Michael said …

    “Okay, so where were we, Lou, I understand it makes you angry when people talk about God without proof.”

    You understand no such thing, because it isn’t true. Don’t flatter yourself. You don’t anger me. I feel pity for you, not anger.

    “I ask you, can you show conclusive evidence God does not exist?”

    Are you going to jump on the band wagon with all the other simpletons who try this illogical ploy? How many times do we have beat this dead horse?

    The point of the example of the Invisible Purple Gnome who lives in my dishwasher obviously went over your head. You can’t prove that he doesn’t exist. There is only my personal experience and claim thereof. So it’s up to me to prove that he exists, not for you to prove that he doesn’t, correct? If you can’t understand that simple concept, then there’s no hope that you can ever understand anything of any complexity.

    If something can’t be disproven, then according to your convoluted logic, it MUST be true. I can’t prove that the gnome exists. Why? Because like your imaginary god, there is no evidence or proof of him.

    At least little children eventually learn and accept that there is no Santa Claus. Will you ever grow-up to accept there’s no “Santa Claus” for you? Or is your drug-fried brain that far gone?

  165. on 02 Feb 2012 at 10:41 pm 165.Curmudgeon said …

    “and those simpletons who are mapping the human genome are wasting their time. What the hell is wrong with them?!”

    This is to funny! Lou, do you know who the head of the human genome project? Right, a Christian and a strong one. He believes in God. Yes, what is wrong with him?

    Then, what does the human genome project have to do with evolution Lou?

    Michael,

    Lou? A high priest? I dunno, but he does tickle me. It is these precious moments here I enjoy. Lou has made many a funny statement here.

    Let me ask Michael, is the proof of God’s existence sufficient for you?

  166. on 02 Feb 2012 at 11:13 pm 166.Lou (DFW) said …

    165.Curmudgeon said …

    “This is to funny! Lou, do you know who the head of the human genome project? Right, a Christian and a strong one. He believes in God. Yes, what is wrong with him?”

    Does he believe in evolution? Does he have any evidence for god or does he admit that it’s faith? Does he believe in ID?

  167. on 02 Feb 2012 at 11:37 pm 167.Michael said …

    God is Alpha and Omega enough to exist without any approval from a High Priest or pack of backwards Troglodyte thoughts. He seems to be stubborn that way and does not need approval.

  168. on 03 Feb 2012 at 3:43 am 168.Anonymous said …

    Lou, ignore them. If you were to be drawn into a conversation with people like this in a public place their anger, intransigence, and lack of cohesion would soon make you wonder if they were educationally subnormal, mentally ill, or simply delusional.

    Either way, you’d most likely walk away, possibly to call law enforcement but that depends on how much of a danger they seemed to be to themselves.

  169. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:08 am 169.DPK said …

    165.Curmudgeon said …
    “and those simpletons who are mapping the human genome are wasting their time. What the hell is wrong with them?!”
    This is to funny! Lou, do you know who the head of the human genome project? Right, a Christian and a strong one. He believes in God. Yes, what is wrong with him?

    and let’s hear what Francis Colins, who headed the human genome project, and is a christian, has to say about the matter…

    “Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things.

    But why couldn’t this be God’s plan for creation? True, this is incompatible with an ultra-literal interpretation of Genesis, but long before Darwin, there were many thoughtful interpreters like St. Augustine, who found it impossible to be exactly sure what the meaning of that amazing creation story was supposed to be. So attaching oneself to such literal interpretations in the face of compelling scientific evidence pointing to the ancient age of Earth and the relatedness of living things by evolution seems neither wise nor necessary for the believer.”
    Francis Colins.

    What’s that sound??? Crum trying to remove his foot from his mouth???

  170. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:39 am 170.Lou (DFW) said …

    167.Michael said …

    “God is Alpha and Omega enough to exist without any approval from a High Priest or pack of backwards Troglodyte thoughts. He seems to be stubborn that way and does not need approval.”

    You conveniently ignore the bible:

    “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He (She) who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” –John 3:16-18

    God may not “need approval,” but he sure is pissy about not getting it – and that’s only one sample.

  171. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:44 am 171.Lou (DFW) said …

    169.DPK said …

    “What’s that sound??? Crum trying to remove his foot from his mouth???”

    You know that we have been through this Collins business here before. Collins offers no more evidence for god than does Crum and the other theists here.

  172. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:50 am 172.Lou (DFW) said …

    165.Curmudgeon said …

    “Let me ask Michael, is the proof of God’s existence sufficient for you?

    What proof?

    Let me ask a five year old child, is the proof of Santa Claus existence sufficient for you? Without a doubt, the answer will be a resounding yes! The child has all the evidence he needs from parents and peers, the presents under the tree, the Santas at the mall, xmas TV shows, books, and songs. What more evidence does a child require?

  173. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:53 am 173.Lou (DFW) said …

    166.Lou (DFW) said …

    “Does he believe in evolution? Does he have any evidence for god or does he admit that it’s faith? Does he believe in ID?”

    Crum?

  174. on 03 Feb 2012 at 5:30 am 174.DPK said …

    “Collins offers no more evidence for god than does Crum and the other theists here.”

    Yes, but at least Colins is honest about it. His belief is a personal choice based on faith, not evidence or even rationality. Colins would never submit a scientific paper or present a theory with “then god performs a miracle…” as an element or explanation. He is good, as most believers are, at segregating and compartmentalizing their religious beliefs from reality. A devout christian will tell you they have faith that god is looking out for them and answers their prayers, but when their kid is sick they take them to a doctor, not a priest. They believe god loves them, but when they get cancer, well.. it’s part of god’s mysterious plan. They claim absolute morality only comes from god, but then decide not to follow some of god’s commandments because they are clearly immoral, and the rationalization for this is that the immoral commandments were a long time ago.

  175. on 03 Feb 2012 at 1:13 pm 175.Lou (DFW) said …

    174.DPK said …

    “Yes, but at least Colins is honest about it. His belief is a personal choice based on faith, not evidence or even rationality.”

    Exactly. Collins wrote:

    “Instead, as I was beginning to understand from looking into my own heart, the evidence of God’s existence would have to come from other directions, and the ultimate decision would be based on faith, not proof.”

    And why? Because there is no evidence for god. Even for Collins, god exists only in the imagination, just as for the theists here, he rationalizes god’s existence.

  176. on 03 Feb 2012 at 1:35 pm 176.Anonymous said …

    Well, Crum won’t answer you because the answers won’t support his cause.

    In the same way that Hor threw up Anthony Flew as someone to look up to, even though Flew despised Christianity, Crum will gloat over Collins, yet, Collins rejects ID and creationism adopting the cop-out of claiming theistic evolution.

    I suppose in their cherry-picking minds as long as they can point to a scientist who is christian, that supports their view. It’s sort of like how they can focus on a few parts of the bible and ignore most of it and still claim their book of fairy stories to be both relevant and correct.

    So, Crum, how about it. Collins has no evidence for the existence of his god and admits it’s all faith (belief without evidence). He rationalizes away the obvious disconnects as he’s determined to maintain his belief no matter what. You claim proof, though. How about you share it with us?

  177. on 03 Feb 2012 at 1:53 pm 177.Curmudgeon said …

    Oh DPK,

    You still don’t get it. This not about evolution. It is about meeting the burden of proof for

    ““the first lifeforms on our planet were single celled.”

    as set by Lou. Lou? Do you believe this? I never claimed true or false. I claim you cannot prove it and you haven’t.

    And now we have Lou using the human genome project as an example led by a delusional man, right? And, the next thread claims he is insane as well! You believe men who are insane and delusional?

    OH, btw, Francis Collins claims in “The language of God” the human genome’s intricate structure and design is proof of God. So did another prominent atheist Antony Flew. Lou didn’t even know who he Collins is.

    Whats that? Got your foot in your mouth?
    Alls good, will any of you be answering Mr Qs claim?

  178. on 03 Feb 2012 at 2:58 pm 178.Michael said …

    Hi,

    Good morning everyone. I hope ya’ll had nice evening.

    Why an amputee?

    I guess that almost proves this is not about the “survival of the fittest” model of evolution. It seems it would have been an easy thing and almost just plain sense that the highest life form, a human, could regenerate itself like a starfish or an earthworm. Nothing could harm us except old age, but then we could replicate ourselves along the way and never really die.

    I am sure this pack of backwards Troglodytes and the High Priest would not enjoy 297 copies of Michael of different ages in this cult. Not good for the planet either to have the best thinkers, humans, with the ability to replicate. By cutting your fingers off and each would grow a new you? Not good design.

    But my real question is, why an amputee?

    Michael

    Have a good day Curmudgeon, Peace.

  179. on 03 Feb 2012 at 3:12 pm 179.Lou (DFW) said …

    177.Curmudgeon said …

    “Oh DPK,”

    Oh Crum, do you really we’re that dumb to fall for your idiotic game?

    “You still don’t get it. This not about evolution. It is about meeting the burden of proof for

    “the first lifeforms on our planet were single celled.”

    No, it is not and NEVER WAS. “It is about meeting the burden of proof for” YOUR IMAGINARY GOD.

    “I claim you cannot prove it and you haven’t.”

    PERFECT! Let’s agree that we haven’t. Now, “prove” that your imaginary god exists. Or better yet, try to save at least some face and admit that your belief is simply a matter of faith.

  180. on 03 Feb 2012 at 3:15 pm 180.Lou (DFW) said …

    178.Michael said …

    “Why an amputee…”

    Is there someone here who can translate his rambling nonsense into something coherent?

  181. on 03 Feb 2012 at 3:32 pm 181.Lou (DFW) said …

    177.Curmudgeon said …

    “And now we have Lou using the human genome project as an example led by a delusional man, right?”

    Wrong. I did no such thing. But you may have interpreted my comment as such.

    “OH, btw, Francis Collins claims in “The language of God” the human genome’s intricate structure and design is proof of God.”

    So, and if you do too, that makes it true? Just for grins, why don’t you provide the quote where he does so.

    “Lou didn’t even know who he Collins is.”

    Wrong again. But if I didn’t, then so what? Would that be because god is real?

  182. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:01 pm 182.Michael said …

    So I ask the High Priest a simple question and it is considered rambling nonsense.

    My question is still, why an amputee?
    Anyone…anyone…anyone?

    Michael

  183. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:08 pm 183.Curmudgeon said …

    Hi Michael,

    They ask for amputee because they know God has healed many other forms of disease, etc, They assume God has never healed an amputee. There logic then follows if he has not healed the amputee, he therefore does not exist. Pretty good, huh?

    Lou, how is the work on Mr Qs claim going?

  184. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:24 pm 184.Lou (DFW) said …

    182.Michael said …

    “So I ask the High Priest a simple question and it is considered rambling nonsense.

    My question is still, why an amputee?”

    What an amputee what? What is your actual question.

  185. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:33 pm 185.Michael said …

    Why is your website, The Blog for WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com, and the blog, whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog about God healing an amputee?

    Why amputees?
    Is it that other healing and miracles will not suffice?

    Two simple questions.

    Michael

  186. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:34 pm 186.Anonymous said …

    Michael, Curmudgeon,

    Why is the question “Why won’t God heal amputees?” so important?

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/important.htm

  187. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:42 pm 187.Anonymous said …

    When Christians pray, they are simply talking to themselves. Anyone else wonder if when “Curmudgeon” talks to “Michael” he also isn’t talking to himself?

  188. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:52 pm 188.Lou (DFW) said …

    183.Curmudgeon said …

    “They ask for amputee because they know God has healed many other forms of disease, etc,”

    If only your imaginary god could heal your pathological lying, you comment above being only one example of.

    “They assume God has never healed an amputee.”

    “Prove” otherwise. Prove us wrong.

    “There [sic] logic then follows if he has not healed the amputee, he therefore does not exist. Pretty good, huh?”

    That’s not “the logic.” “The logic” requires a conclusion. That god doesn’t heal amputees, disregarding your lie to the contrary, is evidence that god doesn’t exist, not a conclusion.

    “Lou, how is the work on Mr Qs claim going?”

    Crum, why can’t you understand this simple concept – I am not here to to debate or argue the reality of evolution or any other kind of biology, or claims thereof by any posters on this blog. I wrote in response to your comment:

    “I claim you cannot prove it and you haven’t.”

    PERFECT! Let’s agree that we haven’t.

    Now back to the original topic that you continue to avoid by introducing irrelevant tangents:

    Now, “prove” that your imaginary god exists. Or better yet, try to save at least some face and admit that your belief is simply a matter of faith.

  189. on 03 Feb 2012 at 4:55 pm 189.Lou (DFW) said …

    185.Michael said …

    “Why is your website, The Blog for WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com, and the blog, whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog about God healing an amputee?

    Why amputees?
    Is it that other healing and miracles will not suffice?

    Two simple questions.”

    Two stupid question that anyone with a modicum of intelligence can find answers by reading at:

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm

    As was written here before, your stubbornness is a display of willful ignorance.

  190. on 03 Feb 2012 at 6:11 pm 190.Curmudgeon said …

    “I am not here to to debate or argue the reality of evolution or any other kind of biology, or claims thereof by any posters on this blog.”

    OK, Thanks I thought you to be a one trick pony.

    Mr Q, and the Anonymous and Michael if you like, would you like to support the claim as presented by Mr Q? This would make for a great exercise on the nature and concept of proof/evidence and logic.

    “the first lifeforms on our planet were single celled.” Mr Q

  191. on 03 Feb 2012 at 6:32 pm 191.Lou (DFW) said …

    190.Curmudgeon said …

    “OK, Thanks I thought you to be a one trick pony.”

    You jackass, your juvenile taunts don’t affect me in the least, or the fact that you NEVER, EVER produce evidence for your imaginary god – to which evolution and biology, and your opinions about me are irrelevant to your fraudulent claim.

  192. on 03 Feb 2012 at 6:51 pm 192.Michael said …

    What is going to be beautiful is the learning process all in this group are going through from discussing and arguing. All of us are learning about God and false gods even when you disagree with idea of The One God or Creator, The Alpha and The Omega.

    This is exactly the story of the Love God has for His children (creation). God would rather see His children wrestle and resist Him mentally and physically than reject the Love all together God knows we struggle with these things and the arguments are okay. Eventually we argue ourselves into the a trap which releases us from our squirrel cage of intellect.

    Then we get the chance to meet God on God’s terms instead of our terms and conditions. Then we will find a love that penetrates the deepest darkest voids.

    That is why I am hanging out for a while. I want to see the squirrel cages open and full grown spiritual human beings emerge. The arguing itself, God can use for His own desires and plans. His plans are always pointing all of us back to God and Love.

    Turning Satan’s crap and man’s crap into Solid Gold. God is the only One capable of that miracle. The Great Spiritual Alchemist working His wonders.

    So this is a good thing happening here. Argue away pro or con it does not matter, God has us covered.

    Michael

  193. on 03 Feb 2012 at 7:51 pm 193.Anonymous said …

    Which god? And how do you know he’s not a figment of your imagination? Why that god, when there are so many to choose from?

    You need to do a better job at showing you are not delusional before anyone can take you seriously.

  194. on 04 Feb 2012 at 3:52 am 194.Michael said …

    Hi Anon,

    See, this is the cool thing, God has no problem with the struggle and arguing. That is one of the qualities built into Apes unless we want to act that way by choice. God works with struggle to out of the cage of intellectual self-delusion.

    It is nothing to fear, and you can’t stop it, it will be beautiful to watch.

    I hope ya’ll have a nice evening.

    Michael

  195. on 04 Feb 2012 at 3:55 am 195.Michael said …

    TYPO ALERT: That is one of the qualities NOT built into the apes. The ability to reason things out is lacking in almost all other animals. It separates us from the ape family tree.

  196. on 04 Feb 2012 at 4:26 am 196.DPK said …

    You don’t think apes can reason???
    You are even more deluded than I thought.

    Hey Michael.. your buddy Curm thinks Francis Colins is the bomb… Colins is a christian and a scientist who says that ““Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things.”

    So I guess your buddy Curm thinks you are wrong too about your claim of “the hoax of evolution.” Man, even you christians can’t agree on stuff… what makes you think you convince anyone else?

  197. on 04 Feb 2012 at 5:36 am 197.Anonymous said …

    “The ability to reason things out is lacking in almost all other animals.”

    This must be on of those nonsense xtian thought-stopping mantras like only humans have souls even though no-one has ever actually demonstrated that a soul exists. Go on, Michael, tell us – what does a soul look like? Has anyone seen one? How do we know they exist?

    Well, at least he recognizes that we are all animals. He’s already accepted he’s in the same family tree as the apes, now he’s seeing that church makes the false distinction of animals to play to the ego of their followers. Michael, the spell is being broken, only a few more months to go before you’re a fully fledged atheist.

    As to his current nonsense. Well, rats can find their way out of a maze, so it’s amazing that Michael can’t reason that the bible is big book of bollocks – but perhaps he’s only considering that question using the educational attainments of the biblical goat-herders?

  198. on 04 Feb 2012 at 11:57 am 198.Lou (DFW) said …

    196.DPK said …

    “Hey Michael.. your buddy Curm thinks Francis Colins is the bomb… Colins is a christian and a scientist who says that ‘Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things.”

    Remember when Crum asked:

    165.Curmudgeon (aka Hor) said …

    “Then, what does the human genome project have to do with evolution Lou?”

    Now you know.

  199. on 04 Feb 2012 at 12:13 pm 199.Lou (DFW) said …

    195.Michael said …

    “The ability to reason things out is lacking in almost all other animals.”

    Your comments indicate that you believe blatant stupidity is a virtue. You must because you flagrantly demonstrate it over and over on this blog.

    I’ll give you and your ilk credit for one thing – you constantly remind us of the rampant ignorance that scientists of hundreds and thousands of years ago faced when people like you threw rocks at the moon. Thanks to you, I respect those scientists who brought us from the dark ages, not only for their scientific accomplishments, but also for their perseverance and courage required to battle ignorant, religious zealots like yourself. If they didn’t have such virtues, then we would be grunting conversations about those other campfires in the night sky while sitting around our campfire shivering and dressed in sheepskins, only to tremble in terror when we saw a meteor streak across the sky.

  200. on 04 Feb 2012 at 1:46 pm 200.Anonymous said …

    Anonymous@136 – ““Christianity, where ignorance is a virtue”.

    Lou@199 – “Your comments indicate that you believe blatant stupidity is a virtue. You must because you flagrantly demonstrate it over and over on this blog.”

    Yet it was Michael at 140 who said – “It is “Ignorance is Bliss”. Christianity, “is Ignorance is Bliss”, lol”.

    And he laughed about it too. So, yes, Michael wishes us to to know that he equates his Christian faith with being ignorant. That way he can remain in a state of “bliss”. His words, not mine.

    How sad but how typically narcissistic that is of a believer. Not only does he celebrate being willfully ignorant, knowing that he is deliberately avoiding facing reality, he has to be two-faced about it by trying to argue against anyone who hasn’t stayed in the dark ages.

    Yet, he lives in South Texas where he almost certainly needs modern day transport. Maybe I’m wrong, do you ride around on a mule or is science all fine and dandy as long is at doesn’t conflict with the goat-herder’s belief system of talking snakes and evil spirits?

    Speaking of being two faced, Micheal you started back-peddling and never answered this question from 111:

    In my very first post, I told you this is a matter of faith.

    Which is it, Michael? If it’s a matter of religious faith then why are you trying to convince yourself that there is evidence for your imaginary friend? If there was evidence, you wouldn’t need faith.

    So, “Michael”, you were going to point out where you said this was all faith and not proof. You also owe us some clarification. Which is it? Is your belief in the spirit world based on faith (belief without evidence) or evidence? If the later, then demonstrate it.

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