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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 09 Dec 2011 12:53 am

The strange, wacky, scary world of deep Christianity

This link was first mentioned in the comments and deserves attention because it introduces us to the strange, wacky, scary world of deep Christianity:

Prayer Warriors for Sarah Palin

I was talking to a supporter last night who told me, “I pray for her every day. Every day without fail. On the day my mother died, I still set aside the time to pray for Sarah.” Indeed. I remember in my own life, on the occasion of the birth of my daughter, I suffered a from a near-fatal embolism on the delivery room table. When I woke up almost two days later, and my clarity was just beginning to emerge again…and I had mumbled to God about my own family…the thought entered my mind: “Pray for Sarah real quick too.”

Yes, the call to pray for her that so many of us have experienced is that strong.

Let me make this clear, though, to all the naysayers who are going to shriek about false idols and “don’t put her on a pedestal”. In these prayers, Sarah is not, and has never been, the primary focus of what we are asking from God. In the end, it has always been about Saving America, Saving God’s People, Saving Israel and Protection from the Darkness that seeks to denigrate humanity and enslave. Sarah, you see, is just a little worker for God (as are we). She is our sister in Christ and we believe God is using her to further His Will here on earth. Call us crazy, but that’s at the heart of why we pray for that God grant her guidance, wisdom and protection.

In fact, I am going to take this one step further, and just announce to the world, right here and now: most of us have had our prayers accompanied with dreams, visions and the finding of revelatory scripture that confirm the urgent and relentless need for prayer over Sarah. Through the prayers, God has been able to reach us in other mystifying, supernatural ways. What a blessing these occasions have been to all who have experienced them.

So there has never been any doubt in my mind that God is at work through Sarah. Logically, it’s the only thing that makes sense.

Think of how many layers of delusion stack on top of each other in these few paragraphs. Think how detached from reality a person would have to be to write these paragraphs.
Imagine being so crazy that you believe something like this:

most of us have had our prayers accompanied with dreams, visions and the finding of revelatory scripture that confirm the urgent and relentless need for prayer over Sarah. Through the prayers, God has been able to reach us in other mystifying, supernatural ways. What a blessing these occasions have been to all who have experienced them.

Yet there are millions of people around the United States who really are this crazy, and who are praying diligently for people like Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, etc. Notice how all of these deeply religious candidates have imploded. Replace Palin with any candidate in this quote:

She is our sister in Christ and we believe God is using her to further His Will here on earth. Call us crazy, but that’s at the heart of why we pray for that God grant her guidance, wisdom and protection.

Why would an all-powerful being need any human to “further His Will here on earth”? Why wouldn’t a “god” do it himself? And if a “god” were to act through a human and provide “guidance and wisdom”, why wouldn’t the religious candidates absolutely blow us away with their intelligence, insight, and mastery of the world’s problems? Instead they appear to be idiots. Perry melts down in the debates. Palin and Bachmann melt down every time they open their mouths. Cain is accused of cheating on his wife for decades. It’s amazing that these god-assisted candidates perform so poorly. In reality, it is more proof that god is imaginary.

Any intelligent person can see that God is imaginary, and that religion inevitably leads to a diminution of intelligence and insight.

The only question that remains is this: how do we help Christians and Muslims free themselves from their delusions? Is there any way to help them heal?

32 Responses to “The strange, wacky, scary world of deep Christianity”

  1. on 09 Dec 2011 at 11:37 am 1.Anonymous said …

    Michele Bachman has a real chance in Iowa

    “Bachmann is mightily busy in Iowa where she must pull off a top three finish to remain viable. The Brody File has said that Bachmann’s organizational strength among pastors and homeschoolers gives her the real shot at doing very well in Iowa.

    In addition, some new polling by Public Policy Polling shows her picking up steam. Herman Cain’s exit from the race has helped her so anyone counting her out would be making a big mistake. Plus, don’t forget more than 60 percent of Iowa voters haven’t decided who they’re voting for yet.

    With voters feeling lukewarm toward Romney and with Newt Gingrich’s tendency to shoot himself in the foot, Bachmann merrily travels around the country positioning herself as the real conservative in the race. Both Romney and Gingrich have issues in that regard. Bachmann does not. Watch out for her come January.”

  2. on 09 Dec 2011 at 3:08 pm 2.MegaByte said …

    America needs and deserves anyone other than B Hussein Obama. He has been God’s judgement on a nation that has turned their back on God. Therefore, maybe we will get 4 more of this delusional POTUS.

    Newt, Romney, Bachmann, Pee Wee Herman, Al Budy, Michael Scott, Jimmy Carter all are more qualified than this guy. Besides, Obama claims to pray everyday. He is delusional and must go.

  3. on 09 Dec 2011 at 3:20 pm 3.Lou (DFW) said …

    2.MegaByte said …

    “Besides, Obama claims to pray everyday. He is delusional and must go.”

    Yes, you said it – praying is delusional.

  4. on 09 Dec 2011 at 3:44 pm 4.Lou (DFW) said …

    Sarah Palin church videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84m2orSOaM

  5. on 09 Dec 2011 at 3:45 pm 5.Lou (DFW) said …

    Sarah Palin church videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAWM7E_WMfo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9tJX-e24iQ

  6. on 09 Dec 2011 at 7:59 pm 6.LL said …

    More Christians died for their faith in the twentieth century than at any other time in history, says Christian Solidarity International. Global reports indicate that over 150,000 Christians were martyred last year, chiefly outside of the United States. However, statistics are changing: persecution of Christians is on the increase in the United States. What’s happening to bring about this change?

    According to some experts a pattern is emerging reminiscent of Jewish persecution in post war Germany. “Isolation of, and discrimination against Christians is growing almost geometrically” says Don McAlvany in The Midnight Herald. “This is the way it started in Germany against the Jews. As they became more isolated and marginalized by the Nazi propaganda machine, as popular hatred and prejudice against the Jews increased among the German people, wholesale persecution followed. Could this be where the growing anti-Christian consensus in America is taking us?”

    Tolerance of anti-Christian attitudes in the United States is escalating. Recently, a woman in Houston, Texas was ordered by local police to stop handing out gospel tracts to children who knocked on her door during Halloween. Officers informed her that such activity is illegal (not true), and that she would be arrested if she continued. In Madison, Wisconsin, the Freedom from Religion Foundation distributes anti-Christian pamphlets to public school children entitled, “We Can Be Good Without God.” The entertainment industry and syndicated media increasingly vilify Christians as sewer rats, vultures, and simple-minded social ingrates. The FBI and the Clinton White House brand fundamentalist Christian groups as hate mongers and potential terrorists. The Council of Religious Leaders of Metropolitan Chicago warns that plans by Southern Baptists to hold a convention in the Windy City next year might foment “hate crimes” against minorities, causing some Christians to fear that speaking openly about their religious beliefs will soon be considered a crime. All this, while Christianity itself is often a target of hate-crime violence. We remember the students at Columbine, and the United Methodist minister who was fatally beaten and burned in a remote part of Chattanooga, Tennessee, to name a few of the recent examples of interpersonal violence aimed at believers.

    THE REAL ENEMY

    Manly P. Hall once wrote, “They are the invisible powers behind the thrones of earth, and men are but marionettes, dancing while the invisible ones pull the strings.” Satan’s string pullers have patiently manipulated unregenerate architects of American society for over five decades, networking both visible and invisible principalities to discredit Christian causes. Indicators reveal the propaganda blame-game against western believers is working.

    Even a casual observance of the facts reveals growing isolation of Christians as a people group, especially school age believers. Faculty and peer efforts to convince public school children that America was not founded on Christian ideals, and that our forefathers actually wanted a secular society, permeates public school interaction. History revisionists labor to eliminate any and all contradictory historical evidence from public school curriculum, and mockingly stereotype Christians as unenlightened fringe.

    A few years ago, Dr. Paul Vitz, then professor of psychology at New York University, worked with a committee that examined sixty social studies and history textbooks used in public schools across the United States. The committee was amazed to find that almost every reference to the Christian influence of early America was systematically removed. Their conclusion: the writers of the commonly used textbooks exhibited paranoia of the Christian religion and intentionally censored Christianity’s positive role in American history.

    Intolerant, Christ-hating censors of religious expression target the media and public school curriculum because this is the best place, outside of the churches and families, to indoctrinate children and thus manipulate the future political and cultural landscape. If one succeeds in separating Godly principles from public education and the media, they deny citizens the knowledge of good and keep them from embracing the laws of God. To that extent, they are pawns of evil and subvert and destroy both the message and the messengers of righteousness.

    REAPING THE WHIRLWIND

    In an article entitled “Our Violent Kids,” Time Magazine reported “an upsurge in the most violent types of crimes by teens.” Through television, “by the age of 16, the typical child has witnessed an estimated 200,000 acts of violence, including 33,000 murders,” the article went on to say.

    A major study by Dr. Brandon Centerwell of the University of Washington’s Department of Epidemiology concludes that “exposure to television” is related to approximately one-half of the homicides committed in the United States, or approximately 10,000 homicides annually. Exposure to television and other forms of propaganda is also related to a majority of rapes, assaults, and acts of violence according to the study.

    Censoring the Christian model and denigrating biblical values has resulted in a generation where every day in the United States:

    · 437 children are arrested for drinking or drunk driving
    · 211 children are arrested for drug abuse
    · 1,629 children are in adult jails
    · 30 children are wounded by guns
    · 10 children are killed by guns
    · 135,000 children bring a gun to school

    Social scientists claim this generation’s inability to define absolutes, and a growing pattern of anti-Christian behavior, may ultimately result in the collapse of the American superstructure, as situation ethics, AIDS and other forms of sexually transmitted diseases, the redefining of the family unit, and other abandonments of biblical standards of morality come to their dangerous and natural conclusion.

    WILL WE EVER LEARN?

    History students compare the French Revolution and the horror of persecution and torture under Robespierre, with the Revolutionary War in America that resulted in unprecedented cultural and monetary success. While citizens in America rejoiced in newfound religious liberty and freedom, more than twenty thousand people died in Paris’s guillotines. The years to follow in France brought a reign of terror leading up to totalitarianism and Napoleon.

    Why were the American and French Revolutions followed by such contrasting societal conclusions? The difference was that the American Revolution was fought on Christian principles, while the French Revolution was anti-God. The forces behind the French Revolution were out to eliminate Christianity as the enemy of France. A statue of a nude woman was placed on the altar of the church in Notre Dame, and the God of the Bible was proclaimed dead. Soon afterward, the French government collapsed.

    Is the Fabian process of gradualism taking modern America down a similar path? Perhaps. For the past five decades Americans have allowed the liberal Left to defend the use of public funds for pornography, explicit sex education, and anti-Christian curricula. The Hollywood elite have denigrated Christian values and mocked the virtues of purity. The highest courts in the land have ruled with contemptuous decree against God, against prayer, and against the free expression of religion. Is it any wonder we have become the most profane and violent society in the industrialized
    world?

    JUST THINK OF IT

    America’s Founding Fathers understood that all government is based on either a theistic or anti-theistic foundation. Adepts of history like George Washington understood that countries whose systems of government embrace national anti-theistic views ultimately come to ruin. Strong religious convictions therefore played a role in the development of the United States, which was established on Christian principles and open to all people of good will. In 1892 this was argued before the Supreme Court of the United States. After exhaustive deliberation, the Court said, “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. [It is] impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian.”

    Imagine that. A nation whose laws and institutions are based on the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. Why, such a place would surely become the leader in education, invention, and the arts. Such a place would probably become a haven of religious liberty for more types and religions of people than has ever existed anywhere or at any time on earth. Instead of religious persecution and intolerance, such a place would offer hope and opportunity to the huddled masses of the earth

  7. on 09 Dec 2011 at 9:21 pm 7.Lou (DFW) said …

    6.LL said …

    “Global reports indicate that over 150,000 Christians were martyred last year, chiefly outside of the United States.”

    Right, and we were discussing the US, not the entire Earth.

    “However, statistics are changing: persecution of Christians is on the increase in the United States.”

    Persecuted or martyred? Anyway, show us.

  8. on 09 Dec 2011 at 10:13 pm 8.DPK said …

    Yeah… Christian’s are “persecuted” when we won’t elect their idiot political candidates, won’t let them force our kids to pray in schools, won’t let them teach creationism in science class, and have the absolutely audacity to suggest that gay people be afforded basic human rights like everyone else.
    Oh yeah, and it REALLY gets their panties in a wad when you say “Happy Holidays” instead of Merry Christmas… because everyone knows the winter solstice holiday is all about baby Jesus and how Santa brought him the very first toys on christmas so he could die for our sins and be resurrected and then the easter bunny could bring candy.
    It ain’t quite as easy being a nutjob as it used to be. Wish those pesky atheists would just sit quietly in the back of the bus an keep their filthy atheist ideas to themselves instead of persecuting the poor christians.

  9. on 09 Dec 2011 at 11:41 pm 9.DPK said …

    Sigh… another “Christian” misrepresenting and mis-reporting facts in order to further his own agenda. Doesn’t say much for your point of view when you need to resort to lies to support it:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Trinity_v._United_States

    The following quote from the decision has given rise to the misunderstanding that in 1892 the Supreme Court endorsed the idea that the United States is officially in law a “Christian Nation”:
    These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. 143 U.S. 457 (1892)[2]

    Perhaps realizing how his phrasing could create mischief and misinterpretation, Justice Brewer published a book in 1905 titled The United States: A Christian Nation. In it he wrote:
    But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that ‘congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions.

    Justice Brewer’s decision was not, therefore, any attempt to argue that the laws in the United States should enforce Christianity or reflect solely Christian concerns and beliefs. He was simply making an observation which is consistent with the fact that people in this country tend to be Christian.[3]

  10. on 10 Dec 2011 at 4:53 am 10.Hell Yeah said …

    The following is all that is needed to be said:

    http://ffrf.org/publications/nontracts/Is-America-A-Christian-Nation/

    Freedom From Religion foundation
    http://ffrf.org/

    Is America A Christian Nation?

    The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, “We the people,” and contains no mention of “God” or “Christianity.” Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust” (Art. VI), and “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (First Amendment). The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase “so help me God” or any requirement to swear on a bible (Art. II, Sec. 1, Clause 8). If we are a Christian nation, why doesn’t our Constitution say so?

    In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that “the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington’s presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .”

    —The First Amendment To The U.S. Constitution

    ————————————————-

    What about the Declaration of Independence?

    We are not governed by the Declaration. Its purpose was to “dissolve the political bands,” not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based on the idea that “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority. It deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, and so on, never discussing religion at all.

    The references to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence” in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Thomas Jefferson, its author, was a Deist, opposed to orthodox Christianity and the supernatural.

    ——————————————–

    What about the Pilgrims and Puritans?

    The first colony of English-speaking Europeans was Jamestown, settled in 1609 for trade, not religious freedom. Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were “Pilgrims” seeking religious freedom. The secular United States of America was formed more than a century and a half later. If tradition requires us to return to the views of a few early settlers, why not adopt the polytheistic and natural beliefs of the Native Americans, the true founders of the continent at least 12,000 years earlier?

    Most of the religious colonial governments excluded and persecuted those of the “wrong” faith. The framers of our Constitution in 1787 wanted no part of religious intolerance and bloodshed, wisely establishing the first government in history to separate church and state.

    ——————————————-

    Do the words “separation of church and state” appear in the Constitution?

    The phrase, “a wall of separation between church and state,” was coined by President Thomas Jefferson in a carefully crafted letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, when they had asked him to explain the First Amendment. The Supreme Court, and lower courts, have used Jefferson’s phrase repeatedly in major decisions upholding neutrality in matters of religion. The exact words “separation of church and state” do not appear in the Constitution; neither do “separation of powers,” “interstate commerce,” “right to privacy,” and other phrases describing well-established constitutional principles.

    ———————————–

    What does “separation of church and state” mean?

    Thomas Jefferson, explaining the phrase to the Danbury Baptists, said, “the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions.” Personal religious views are just that: personal. Our government has no right to promulgate religion or to interfere with private beliefs.

    The Supreme Court has forged a three-part “Lemon test” (Lemon v. Kurtzman, 1971) to determine if a law is permissible under the First-Amendment religion clauses.
    1. A law must have a secular purpose.
    2. It must have a primary effect which neither advances nor inhibits religion.
    3. It must avoid excessive entanglement of church and state.

    The separation of church and state is a wonderful American principle supported not only by minorities, such as Jews, Moslems, and unbelievers, but applauded by most Protestant churches that recognize that it has allowed religion to flourish in this nation. It keeps the majority from pressuring the minority.

    ——————————————

    What about majority rule?

    America is one nation under a Constitution. Although the Constitution sets up a representative democracy, it specifically was amended with the Bill of Rights in 1791 to uphold individual and minority rights. On constitutional matters we do not have majority rule. For example, when the majority in certain localities voted to segregate blacks, this was declared illegal. The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority on matters such as race, gender, or religion.

    Not only is it unAmerican for the government to promote religion, it is rude. Whenever a public official uses the office to advance religion, someone is offended. The wisest policy is one of neutrality.

    ——————————————–

    Isn’t removing religion from public places hostile to religion?

    No one is deprived of worship in America. Tax-exempt churches and temples abound. The state has no say about private religious beliefs and practices, unless they endanger health or life. Our government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious and non-religious taxpayers.

    Some countries, such as the U.S.S.R., expressed hostility to religion. Others, such as Iran (”one nation under God”), have welded church and state. America wisely has taken the middle course–neither for nor against religion. Neutrality offends no one, and protects everyone.

    —————————————–

    The First Amendment deals with “Congress.” Can’t states make their own religious policies?

    Under the “due process” clause of the 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868), the entire Bill of Rights applies to the states. No governor, mayor, sheriff, public school employee, or other public official may violate the human rights embodied in the Constitution. The government at all levels must respect the separation of church and state. Most state constitutions, in fact, contain language that is even stricter than the First Amendment, prohibiting the state from setting up a ministry, using tax dollars to promote religion, or interfering with freedom of conscience.

    ——————————————

    What about “One nation under God” and “In God We Trust?”

    The words, “under God,” did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, “In God We Trust” was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as “Mind Your Business.” The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum (”Of Many, One”), celebrating plurality, not theocracy.

    —————————————

    Isn’t American law based on the Ten Commandments?

    Not at all! The first four Commandments are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only three (homicide, theft, and perjury) are relevant to current American law, and have existed in cultures long before Moses. If Americans honored the commandment against “coveting,” free enterprise would collapse! The Supreme Court has ruled that posting the Ten Commandments in public schools is unconstitutional.

    Our secular laws, based on the human principle of “justice for all,” provide protection against crimes, and our civil government enforces them through a secular criminal justice system.

    ——————————————–

    Why be concerned about the separation of church and state?

    Ignoring history, law, and fairness, many fanatics are working vigorously to turn America into a Christian nation. Fundamentalist Protestants and right-wing Catholics would impose their narrow morality on the rest of us, resisting women’s rights, freedom for religious minorities and unbelievers, gay and lesbian rights, and civil rights for all. History shows us that only harm comes of uniting church and state.

    America has never been a Christian nation. We are a free nation. Anne Gaylor, president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, points out: “There can be no religious freedom without the freedom to dissent.”

  11. on 10 Dec 2011 at 5:07 am 11.Hell Yeah said …

    Here is something I found that sums things up called “Persecution of christians?? Oh, really??” by Chuck Doswell.

    http://www.flame.org/~cdoswell/ChristianPersecution.html

  12. on 10 Dec 2011 at 5:21 am 12.Hell Yeah said …

    By the way, if you open the above link, you will notice a link inside that actually opens the article from Worthy Christian News that was written 10 years ago that LL just copied and pasted…….10 years ago! LOLhor!!

  13. on 10 Dec 2011 at 5:44 am 13.Hell Yeah said …

    Megabyte said, “America needs and deserves anyone other than B Hussein Obama. He has been God’s judgement on a nation that has turned their back on God. Therefore, maybe we will get 4 more of this delusional POTUS.
    Newt, Romney, Bachmann, Pee Wee Herman, Al Budy, Michael Scott, Jimmy Carter all are more qualified than this guy. Besides, Obama claims to pray everyday. He is delusional and must go.”

    Does Megabyte watch a little too much Fix, I mean, Fox News or listen to too much Rush Bimbo? I like how Mega stresses Hussein so people will think about Sadaam, just because Obama happens to have that as his middle name as if Obama’s mother named him after Sadaam.

    Also, do you not realize that the Republican controlled Congress is what is controlling our country? Obama is just a figurehead that only gets what he trys to pass turned down or filabusted big time by the republian congress.

    I also like how Mega states that Newt, Romney, and Bachmann are in the same catagory as Pee Wee Herman and Al Budy……Mega said it, not me. LOLhor!!

  14. on 11 Dec 2011 at 5:39 pm 14.The Fog Horn said …

    I became a Christian due to a few things…fear of the New Age and belief it did make people self-centered and rather showy, fear of rising Islam and the belief more people needed to become religious in order to harmonize better, and the belief in the sanctity of marriage, the importance of the family, etc. Read more…..
    http://tinyurl.com/bloqy5o.

  15. on 12 Dec 2011 at 8:08 pm 15.Nikki said …

    You mock Christians for disagreeing with acting upon the urges of homosexuality, you mock Christians for praying, you mock some MINORITIES of Christians for claiming to see visions. You have not examined the Bible under a Religous guide who would be able to explain things to you that allow you to make a more educated decision on Christian beliefs. There are so many Christian denominations that its foolish, not to mention absurd, to lump all of their beliefs into one ‘ideal.’ With all this hating on Christians it would seem to me that you are making yourself a hypocrite. Would it not be of more concern to you, if your goal is to uphold freedom of religoun, to promote tolerance of Christian beliefs and your own personal religoun or lack thereof, than instilling a hatred or fear of such a religoun. Wouldn’t it be better to demonstrate acceptance? And as for America not being founded on a religoun, but on the freedom of religoun: America was found “under God,” but anyone on its soil may practice however they please freely. Amen.

  16. on 12 Dec 2011 at 8:15 pm 16.Nikki said …

    And I think you need to read your history books: it was not only a Christian, but a Catholic who came up with the Big Bang theory, the scientific notation, and the college system, you need to check your facts to before making an educated assumption. Religoun has beeen a bases for much of scientific advancements. They compliment each other, and anyone who has studied reason, history, and an understanding of the Christian Faith would know that. However, Islam is another story. They do not promote reason or scientific advancement. The only way to compare Islam to Christianity is the fact that they are monotheist. Something Muslim’s would disagree on since most Christian denominations believe in the Trinity.

  17. on 12 Dec 2011 at 8:40 pm 17.Anonymous said …

    Where does one find a “Religious guide”?

    Why is the interpretation of a “Religious guide” better than any other interpretation?

    If there is One True Interpretation that is correct, where is it written down? Why not put it on the web so we can Google it?

  18. on 12 Dec 2011 at 8:53 pm 18.Lou (DFW) said …

    “16.Nikki said …

    “And I think you need to read your history books: it was not only a Christian, but a Catholic who came up with the Big Bang theory…”

    Who claimed otherwise?

    But because Georges Lemaître was a Catholic priest doesn’t mean that “Religoun [sic] has beeen a bases [sic] of scientific advancements.” Religion was not the basis of the Big Bang theory.

    Your comments are just another straw man argument.

  19. on 12 Dec 2011 at 11:32 pm 19.Horatiio said …

    Nikki,

    Religious people have come up with the majority of break throughs in EVERY field. The atheist actually very few. They just like you to believe they are the educated. That is not a newsflash.

  20. on 13 Dec 2011 at 1:06 am 20.Lou (DFW) said …

    19.Horatiio said …

    “Religious people have come up with the majority of break throughs in EVERY field. The atheist actually very few. They just like you to believe they are the educated. That is not a newsflash.”

    No shit, Sherlock.

    Nor is it a newsflash that you never provided the proof you claim to have that god exits.

  21. on 13 Dec 2011 at 4:53 am 21.Hell Yeah said …

    “Religious people have come up with the majority of break throughs in EVERY field.”

    If you call the large majority of people religous, and you are lumping those in that think they believe in a god but don’t follow closely, and then take say %20 of those that are educated well, of course those %20 are still more than lets say the atheist %10. The problem is you are lumping everyone in that somewhat thinks they believe into the religous category. If you look at it another way and take say the bottom percentage of the religous and the bottom percentage of the atheists, who would you think would have the better chance at those break throughs? Overall what I am trying to get at is that this pool of religous people you are mentioning that have come up with the majority of the break throughs, how much do you want to bet the majority of those peopole are on the bottom end of what you call religous. The more educated someone is, the more likely they will be on the bottom end of the religous pool as far as how far they believe and how much they practice. That is why they call the Bible Belt in the United States just that, because that is the area of the country that is the least educated.

  22. on 13 Dec 2011 at 5:00 am 22.Hell Yeah said …

    The atheist/agnostic population has been growing very fast. If you look at the college age generation currently, the percentage of those in that age group are constantly growing in atheists/agnostics every year. Eventually, the religous will be come the minority; it may take a little while yet, but it is slowing creeping in the other direction. Probably once the baby boomers die off, the percentage will take a dramatic shift.

  23. on 13 Dec 2011 at 9:57 am 23.Anonymous said …

    Ah, the appeal to popularity which proves exactly nothing. No doubt this is why Horatiio favors this approach, he having nothing in terms of proof.

    Still, if popularity is your thing. Only 7% of the National Academy of Scientists believe in a personal god thus proving that the more intelligent you are, the less likely you are to believe in a god.

    The majority of the US prison population are theists, with atheists accounting for less than 1% of inmates. Over 75% of inmates were accounted for by the big-box Christian religions which proves that Christians are the least moral and least trust-worthy segment of society.

    Now even if the following statement is true, and coming from Horatiio is probably isn’t, ““Religious people have come up with the majority of break throughs in EVERY field.” that has nothing to do with any proof of the existence of any god. Another example of Horatiio desperately clinging to anything to support his delusion.

    Anyway, Horatiio, seeing as you introduced this point, you’ve previously promised to provide proof of god yet haven’t done so. It’s clear all you want to do is express your anger at non-believers because they are taking away your security blanket, as well as exposing you as a troll and a outright purveyor of lies.

    Please provide this proof of god, or we can all agree that you refusal to even try is proof-positive that your god is imaginary and that you are suffering from a delusion.

  24. on 13 Dec 2011 at 11:56 am 24.Ian said …

    “If you look at the college age generation currently, the percentage of those in that age group are constantly growing in atheists/agnostics every year.”

    Poor reasoning. As a college aged lad, I too was agnostic. But as I grew older and wiser I realized the foolishness of my ways. Most grow out of that crazy mentality.

  25. on 13 Dec 2011 at 12:42 pm 25.Anonymous said …

    Facts

    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/614/religion-social-issues

    ” In Pew surveys since the beginning of 2006, 12% identified themselves as unaffiliated with a religious tradition. That compares with 8% in the Pew values survey in 1987. This change appears to be generational in nature, with each new generation displaying lower levels of religious commitment than the preceding one”

  26. on 13 Dec 2011 at 1:00 pm 26.Anonymous said …

    22 – Christians never let facts get between themselves and their delusions of a security blanket and personal savior.

    You’ll note that they love to throw out baseless assertions which they never back up with facts.

    OK, Ian, please demonstrate your wisdom.

    1) What FACTS made you decide to convert from being an agnostic to a theist?
    2) Which of the thousands of gods do you worship?
    3) Why do you believe in that god and not, say, Allah?
    4) You say you were an agnostic, what did that mean to you?
    5) Is the bible the literal word of god?
    6) Did your god create the universe? If so, how
    7) If Christianity is your thing, and your god is so real, why are there 38,000 different sects?

    My prediction, like all theists, Ian will make an excuse not to answer. He’ll bleat like a stuck pig that he’s “right” and his god exists, but he’ll never take on the challenge of answering the hard questions because then he’ll have to face that fact that his answers aren’t “wise”, but ridiculous and contradictory.

  27. on 13 Dec 2011 at 2:02 pm 27.Lou (DFW) said …

    24.Ian said …

    “If you look at the college age generation currently, the percentage of those in that age group are constantly growing in atheists/agnostics every year.”

    “Poor reasoning.”

    Reasoning? Apparently Ian doesn’t understand what reasoning is.

  28. on 13 Dec 2011 at 4:10 pm 28.DPK said …

    “Religious people have come up with the majority of break throughs in EVERY field.”

    Makes sense, since the majority of people in the world claim some sort of religious affiliation… it would stand to reason the percentages would carry through. But tell us brilliant Horatiio… how many of these “break throughs” that you speak of include the necessity of a god as part of the theory? Can you name ONE widely accepted scientific theory or principle that includes “god did it” or “then a miracle occurs…”?
    Why not? Why is god intervention NEVER an acceptable answer in ANY scientific theory or hypothesis? You’d think it would be a main ingredient in scientific principles since the vast majority of people making landmark discoveries in human understanding believe that god interacts with the world on a regular basis. But curiously, when it comes to the process of describing reality and determining truth, god is always absent. Why?

    Hmmmmm… perhaps there is a pearl of wisdom there for you to uncover, sir?

  29. on 13 Dec 2011 at 8:26 pm 29.Xenon said …

    Ian,

    You experience is not uncommon. Kids grow up, get out on their own and feel a need to rebel. They settle down, have kids and realize the truth about God has been right before them all along. They want their own kids exposed to the truth.

  30. on 13 Dec 2011 at 8:33 pm 30.Lou (DFW) said …

    29.Xenon said …

    “You experience is not uncommon. Kids grow up, get out on their own and feel a need to rebel. They settle down, have kids and realize the truth about God has been right before them all along. They want their own kids exposed to the truth.”

    I realized the truth about god when I was a child who went to xtain bible school and church every Sunday – that god is imaginary. It had nothing to do with being rebellious. It had to do with being honest.

  31. on 13 Dec 2011 at 9:04 pm 31.Anonymous said …

    About honesty: I had to write an essay on creation for Sunday School. Seeing the mental gymnastics that my parents, the chief Rabbi (yay, someone who wasn’t Christian!), the assistant Rabbi, my teachers and my devout parents went through to finally end up with the answer / orders “just accept it, it’s not contradictory if you believe it, it’s true because it says so, don’t ask questions, shut up and pray for understanding” convinced me that they were not being honest with themselves.

    So sad when a grade-school kid realizes that he’s surrounded by a bunch of nonsense-believing delusional adults.

  32. on 23 Dec 2011 at 11:38 am 32.Anonymous said …

    Christian stupidity

    http://imgur.com/Pr6ip

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