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Christianity &Islam &Judaism &Rationals Thomas on 02 Dec 2011 12:49 am

Should we try to eliminate religion?

A great article in the forum:

Should we try to eliminate religion?

Religion is only a symptom of a larger problem: Humanity’s rationality waterline is ridiculously low. It is only one manifestation of a generally acceptable level of irrationality that permits things like anti-science attitudes, denial of climate change and peak oil, belief in homeopathy and other alternative “medicine” that doesn’t work, etc.. A person may be persuaded to reject Christianity, UFO’s, psi, and other “woo” but still lack the ability to identify and counter the effects of cognitive biases, manipulative advertizing, propaganda, etc., rationally analyze political, economic, and environmental policies, and consistently make life decisions that advance their goals and happiness. While religion is a direct problem, and some efforts should be directed against it, eliminating religion would only represent the most basic of steps toward a rational society. On the other hand, if we could find ways to teach the Methods of Rationality more broadly, while refining and improving them in a manner comparable to the way martial arts disciplines refine and improve methods of physical combat, so that there is a greater general expectation of rational, critical thought and action in society, a raised Rationality Waterline would submerge and drown most religion, woo, and cognitive failure.

26 Responses to “Should we try to eliminate religion?”

  1. on 02 Dec 2011 at 3:51 pm 1.Luis said …

    That really hits the spot.

  2. on 03 Dec 2011 at 12:59 pm 2.Ian said …

    Atheism is very dangerous as seen above and by this article below. They must not be allowed any power lest we fall under another Stalin or Castro.

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=2417

  3. on 03 Dec 2011 at 2:01 pm 3.Anonymous said …

    Let us not forget Christianity’s most notable contributions to the 21St century; violence, hatred, intolerance, bigotry, and the favorite of the church; child rape.

  4. on 04 Dec 2011 at 8:01 pm 4.Ian said …

    “anti-science attitudes, denial of climate change and peak oil, belief in homeopathy and other alternative “medicine” that doesn’t work, etc”

    The post above is full of ideology, opinion, misrepresentation and stupidity. Global warming is not denied, global warming in a man-made sense is questioned and still up for debate. Global warming is also argued to be cyclical and history points to such a phenomena.

    Homeopathy has been proven to be more effective than placebos therefore it seems to have merits. That is not opinion, it is fact. Again the jury is still out.

    UFO’s are being searched for by the scientific community therefore this poster is biting off his own nose to spite his face. As well, the jury is still out.

    His attacks on religion are myopic at best. Religion has helped millions beat drug addictions, fix broken homes, advance emotional health and help individuals deal with tough life issues. This is not opinion, it is fact. This poster’s selfish ideology would rather see these who have thrived under religion flounder. Certainly religion has issues, but what doesn’t?

    The problem is not rationality here; it is this poster’s ideology. Ideology is a bigger problem than ever which indicates a society that is less tolerant of others more than ever. Until ideologues are marginalized in society, humankind will continue to decay.

  5. on 04 Dec 2011 at 9:02 pm 5.Anonymous said …

    Homeopathy has been proven to be more effective than placebos therefore it seems to have merits. That is not opinion, it is fact. Again the jury is still out.

    By this statement alone, you lose any possibly credibility and any possibly way for anyone to take anything you say seriously or with any form of legitimacy.

  6. on 04 Dec 2011 at 9:28 pm 6.Anonymous said …

    Does Homeopathy Work?

    The homeopathic water has not had any effect

  7. on 04 Dec 2011 at 11:09 pm 7.DPK said …

    Interesting that Ian chooses to put religion in the same category as homeopathy and UFO’s. I agree with that premise, but sadly for him, it doesn’t do much for his point of view.
    D

  8. on 05 Dec 2011 at 2:22 am 8.Zed said …

    More on Homeopathy and, yes, it’s interesting that the believers in Homeopathy use the same kind of delusional arguments (science can’t test this) as do religious types.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1B2aFElfjE

    And of course this explanation works equally well for prayer as it does for Homeopathy and other So-Called Alternative Medicines:

    http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

  9. on 05 Dec 2011 at 2:27 am 9.Horatiio said …

    Ian

    I never thought about the main issue being ideology but sadly you are correct. They would never give credit for all the good things accomplished by religion any more than Dem would give credit to a Rep for any good accomplished. And, they would rather see a person die before embracing God. How sad is that?

    I don’t know if homeopathy is legit or not, but I would never give credence to a link posted by DPK! LOL!! I could not care less.

    DPK, Lou and Buster are the ultimate ideologues.

  10. on 05 Dec 2011 at 2:28 am 10.Horatiio said …

    Zed,

    Red herring my boy??

    LOL!!

  11. on 05 Dec 2011 at 3:32 am 11.Zed said …

    Horatio, yes, you produce nothing but red herrings but, then, you are well-known here for your hypocrisy, double standards, and your intellectual dishonesty.

    Still, seeing as you’ve made an appearance here, let us remind everyone that you’ve still to post the promised evidence for your (imaginary) god.

    You seem to like taking potshots at others but, please, do post the evidence of yours that a magic man in the sky wished the universe into existence simply so that he could create a small planet with fragile people on it that could worship him.

    So, please, let’s see your evidence that shows us how those uneducated goat-herders of 2000 years came about these astounding discoveries. That alone should be good for several LOLs.

  12. on 05 Dec 2011 at 4:04 am 12.DPK said …

    Once again Hor lies. No atheist here has ever denied that religions sometimes do good works. Atheists sometimes do good thing too. Do you deny this??

    The point being, whether a religious person or an atheist does a good or bad thing has no bearing whatsoever on the reality of gods. Hindus sometimes do good things and help people.. does that mean that polytheism is correct? You will grasp at any straw you can to try and make your delusion look respectable.

    You “don’t know” if homeopathy is correct??? Are you REALLY that stupid?
    So, you “don’t know” if homeopathy is correct, but you “know” that anything I or, anyone else here who doesn’t believe in the supernatural has no credence! While you “don’t know” if diluting an agent to the level equivalent of one molecule in a sphere of water the size of the earth’s orbit around the sun makes it more potent, or less potent, you know for certain that an invisible man created the universe and everything in it, evolution is completely false, and Jesus died on the cross to redeem you from the sin of a woman who ate an apple from a forbidden tree after being tricked by a talking snake.
    Yeah… ok.

  13. on 05 Dec 2011 at 4:31 pm 13.Lou (DFW) said …

    9.Horatiio said …

    “And, they would rather see a person die before embracing God. How sad is that?”

    It’s sad that you are a habitual liar.

    “I don’t know if homeopathy is legit or not,”

    Then you’re an idiot. But then again, you believe in the power of prayer, correct?

    “…but I would never give credence to a link posted by DPK! LOL!! I could not care less.”

    Right, he created a link and a website just to trick you about homeopathy.

    “DPK, Lou and Buster are the ultimate ideologues.”

    And you are the ultimate liar about atheists. Not believing something is not an ideology.

  14. on 05 Dec 2011 at 4:57 pm 14.Zed said …

    Horatio, for example, demonstrates a key aspect of theists in his post above.

    His interest is not in understanding what is correct, his interest lies in portraying non-believers as wrong. To that extent he aptly demonstrates that a theist is capable of accepting the upmost nonsense in the interest of supporting their ideology.

    Compare the above position with the comments of DPK who points out that good works occur in people of all beliefs and outlooks. Horatio can’t say that, as the theist position is that their imaginary god is responsible for morals, a belief clung to despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

    Likewise, despite his spectacular inability to produce evidence of the sky daddy, he contrives to manufacture arguments against reality-based observations simply to avoid addressing the obvious; the god of the Bible is imaginary, and the result of primitive superstitions ported to modern day.

    Think otherwise? Then prove it.

  15. on 05 Dec 2011 at 8:58 pm 15.Vince said …

    I have reviewed this website. I have looked at the evidence for and against God that this site presents. It seems undeniable that a God must indeed exist.

  16. on 05 Dec 2011 at 9:56 pm 16.Lou (DFW) said …

    15.Vince said …

    “It seems undeniable that a God must indeed exist.”

    That’s what Bronze-age goat herders thought, too.

    I also looked at the evidence, and it seems undeniable that God does NOT exist. Regardless of any evidence that God does not exist, there’s absolutely no evidence whatsoever that God does exist.

  17. on 05 Dec 2011 at 11:06 pm 17.DPK said …

    “It seems undeniable that a God must indeed exist.”

    Really, because I and countless others do indeed deny it. Your contention that it is “undeniable” is therefore false. But, if you’d like to make a case as to WHY YOU think it is undeniable, we’d love to hear it. Be prepared to be challenged to back up your claims with actual evidence though. If you do, it will be a first.

  18. on 06 Dec 2011 at 12:19 am 18.Horatiio said …

    “It seems undeniable that a God must indeed exist.”

    I agree Vince, and to further DPK’s argument to a new level, the majority also agree.

    The only question now is “Should we try to eliminate atheism”? We need to eliminate cognitive failure and bring about a rational society.

  19. on 06 Dec 2011 at 12:47 am 19.Zed said …

    The only question now is “Should we try to eliminate atheism”?

    Is that the best you’ve got? For the resident troll and subject changer you’re really not doing very well tonight.

    Leaving aside the fact that you couldn’t possibly eliminate the lack of a belief – the default position – steps you could take towards furtherance of your goal would be for you to post some evidence for this god of yours. Why don’t you simply do it? Oh yes, you don’t have any.

    Naturally I agree that we need to eliminate cognitive failure; your arguments actively preventing your rational discourse on this subject, for example.

    Vince, so that you know, Horatio has offered in the past to produce evidence of his god, but he never does. In your case, it sounds as if you believe you have some robust, compelling, and unambiguous evidence for your god. Please do post it.

  20. on 06 Dec 2011 at 1:14 am 20.DPK said …

    “The only question now is “Should we try to eliminate atheism”? We need to eliminate cognitive failure and bring about a rational society.

    What a riot, considering it comes from someone who just yesterday declared, “I don’t know if homeopathy is legit or not.” Cognitive failure indeed.

    As has been pointed out many times before, Horatiio is the closest thing we have here to a village idiot.

  21. on 06 Dec 2011 at 3:08 am 21.Lou (DFW) said …

    18.Horatiio said …

    “The only question now is “Should we try to eliminate atheism”?”

    Right, let’s eliminate the way people are born – without a belief in an imaginary god.

    “We need to eliminate cognitive failure and bring about a rational society” and “I agree Vince, and to further DPK’s argument to a new level, the majority also agree.”

    Then we would need to eliminate the majority.

  22. on 06 Dec 2011 at 3:26 am 22.Zed said …

    Christianity in a nutshell

    Oh yes, seeing as Horatio loves to post about Antony Flew (even though Flew despised Christianity), the above is Dan Barker who used to be an evangelical preacher.

  23. on 06 Dec 2011 at 3:29 pm 23.Lou (DFW) said …

    20.DPK said …

    “The only question now is “Should we try to eliminate atheism”? We need to eliminate cognitive failure and bring about a rational society.

    “What a riot, considering it comes from someone who just yesterday declared, “I don’t know if homeopathy is legit or not.” Cognitive failure indeed.”

    Now we know where to start to “eliminate cognitive failure” – in the “Broadway In The Basement.”

  24. on 24 May 2013 at 2:15 am 24.Painter said …

    Should we try to eliminate religion? No. I actually heard this somewhere: “Well if there is no god then what keeps us from going out and just raping and killing everybody?” To this person I would say that yes, god does exist, and he is watching you every second of your life. Some people need others to do their thinking for them. So let’s not eliminate religion. In the case above it is actually doing some good.

  25. on 24 May 2013 at 8:57 am 25.alex said …

    ‘To this person I would say that yes, god does exist, and he is watching you every second of your life.’

    to you i say, prove it.

    “Some people need others to do their thinking for them. So let’s not eliminate religion. In the case above it is actually doing some good.”

    try education. better? when black people were enslaved, they didn’t do much thinking. was slavery doing them some good?

    religions should all be treated equally. i mean, don’t throw that shit around, demand special privileges because of it and don’t try to eliminate or marginalize the other religions.

    you won’t be back. typical theist m.o., dump your shit and righteously gone.

  26. on 24 May 2013 at 11:15 am 26.A said …

    Wow! God thinking alex

    lol!!!!

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