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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 01 Nov 2011 12:36 am

A prominent religious columnist explains why all religion is complete nonsense

Rabbi Marc Gellman reaches millions of people in the U.S. with his “God Squad” newspaper column. In a recent column he attempts to answer the question: Why don’t Jews believe that Jesus is the messiah?

The God Squad: Non-Christian faiths can’t accept Christian scripture

Question: Do Jews believe that Jesus did not perform the miracles the Bible claims He did? On the other hand, if Jews do believe Jesus performed miracles and healed hundreds of people, why don’t they believe He is the Son of God? How could someone perform miracles and not be divine?

Gellman reframes the question in this way:

I receive many versions of your question and they all focus on the same issues:

1. Jesus either did or did not perform miracles.

2. If he did perform miracles, Jews should become Christians.

3. If Jesus did not perform the miracles, Jesus is a liar.

4. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

He then gives a remarkable explanation for why this line of reasoning is incorrect:

The problem with this line of argument is that only the Christian Testament, and not the Hebrew Bible, makes such claims. Jews, Muslims, Hindus and others don’t accept the Christian Testament as God’s word. Therefore, all non-Christian religions do not accept Jesus’ messianic claims.

Islam, you should know, accepts some of the Christian claims but not the essential Christian claim of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead. It should be obvious that claims within one’s religion are not convincing to those outside one’s religion. You cannot quote your own scripture to refute the scripture of another faith.

It is an amazing admission. Gellman lays bare the nonsense of all religion: “It should be obvious that claims within one’s religion are not convincing to those outside one’s religion.” Yes, it should be obvious, because all religious claims are based on pure mythology. Since all gods are imaginary, all claims made by all religions are ridiculous. The only difference between a religious person and a rational, non-religious person is that the religious person rejects all of these imaginary gods but one, while a non-religious person rejects all of the imaginary gods.

Every scripture is mythology and nonsense. That is why “claims within one’s religion are not convincing to those outside one’s religion.” If any religious person would simply understand the truth of this statement, and its ultimate meaning, religion would end. No thinking person would believe in any book filled with mythology and nonsense.

Are you a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu of a member of any other faith? Do you “believe” in the claims of your religion, even though no one outside your faith does? Take the time to understand what Gellman is saying:

It should be obvious that claims within one’s religion are not convincing to those outside one’s religion. You cannot quote your own scripture to refute the scripture of another faith.

Realize that the claims of your religion are not convincing because they are nonsense and mythology. In that way, you set yourself free from all of the corrosive effects of religion. As soon as you step away from religion, you release yourself from bigotry, discrimination, immorality, irrationality, guilt and self-loathing. You stop talking to and listening to imaginary people in the sky. You stop believing in imaginary places like heaven and hell. You become a normal, intelligent human being free from mythology and superstition. You become a much better, more complete human being. This video can help you understand reality by explaining religious delusion:

23 Responses to “A prominent religious columnist explains why all religion is complete nonsense”

  1. on 01 Nov 2011 at 2:05 pm 1.Observer said …

    And therein lies the risk of Judaism: by nature it is highly analytical; the analytical inclination lent by the tradition is no doubt where the “atheist gene” amongst Jews finds its origin. Once a few of the axioms are weakened by knowledge, usually acquired through science, many end up without “faith”, but nevertheless continue practicing for cultural and aesthetic reasons if allowed to do so.

    As we all know, or should know, Spinoza was not allowed to do so. Furthermore, EVEN followers of the teachings of Rambam circa Ramban were at times persecuted within the community for their progressive perspective. SO there clearly are limits to the analytical tradition, but it really is a Pandora’s Box situation ultimately.

  2. on 02 Nov 2011 at 2:05 am 2.Curmudgeon said …

    “You cannot quote your own scripture to refute the scripture of another faith.”

    If I follow this line of reasoning then you cannot use the claims of WWGHA to refute the beliefs of any other faith.

    Congratulations to Marshall Brain. You just rendered your entire site irrelevant.

  3. on 02 Nov 2011 at 2:22 am 3.Lou (DFW) said …

    2.Curmudgeon said …

    “[It should be obvious that claims within one’s religion are not convincing to those outside one’s religion.] You cannot quote your own scripture to refute the scripture of another faith.”

    “If I follow this line of reasoning then you cannot use the claims of WWGHA to refute the beliefs of any other faith.”

    You obviously DON’T follow this line of reasoning. As a matter of fact, I don’t think you follow ANY line of reasoning. Your “reasoning” is nothing but “illogic,” myth, superstition, and blind faith.

  4. on 02 Nov 2011 at 3:07 am 4.Obvious said …

    #2: “If I follow this line of reasoning then you cannot use the claims of WWGHA to refute the beliefs of any other faith.”

    Except WWGHA is reality. There is no “faith”, no “belief”. God never heals amputees. God never answers prayers. God never does anything because God is imaginary. It’s not faith because that’s how the world really is. Provably so. There is no 2,000 year old book filled with garbage – just the reality we see all around.

  5. on 02 Nov 2011 at 3:54 am 5.DPK said …

    “Congratulations to Marshall Brain. You just rendered your entire site irrelevant.”

    That has to be about the stupidest thing you have ever said. You really have no clue, do you? You see no difference between critical analysis and scripture?

  6. on 02 Nov 2011 at 11:37 am 6.Ted said …

    “There is no “faith”, no “belief”. God never heals amputees. God never answers prayers. God never does anything because God is imaginary.”

    I don’t expect you to support this statement. Atheist never do. The irony is so thick in this statement as he lays out a portion of his ontology while denying he has any.

    “There is no 2,000 year old book filled with garbage – just the reality we see all around.”

    True, I agree with this statement. The Bible is full of wisdom and knowledge and the standard of metaphysics.

    I think Obvious got a little finger-tied.

  7. on 02 Nov 2011 at 12:24 pm 7.Ted said …

    #6 Ted Wow you picked up another big-boy word- ontology. You don’t quite seem to know how to use it. How can you possibly state that the quote of “Obvious” is related to his ontology? Do you know what the word “ontology” means? I assume you think you do, so why do you misuse it?

    And another point on a related word, why not define for us the ontic of your “God”?

  8. on 02 Nov 2011 at 1:46 pm 8.Anonymous said …

    Ted, your sock puppet is showing.

  9. on 02 Nov 2011 at 1:51 pm 9.Lou (DFW) said …

    6.Ted said …

    “There is no “faith”, no “belief”. God never heals amputees. God never answers prayers. God never does anything because God is imaginary.”

    “I don’t expect you to support this statement. Atheist never do. The irony is so thick in this statement as he lays out a portion of his ontology while denying he has any.”

    You are dense. The entire WWGHA supports that statement.

    “There is no 2,000 year old book filled with garbage – just the reality we see all around.”

    “True, I agree with this statement. The Bible is full of wisdom and knowledge and the standard of metaphysics.”

    And that summarizes it – metaphysics is nonsense, so is the bible..

    “Metaphysicians cannot avoid making their statements nonverifiable, because if they made them verifiable, the decision about the truth or falsehood of their doctrines would depend upon experience and therefore belong to the region of empirical science. This consequence they wish to avoid, because they pretend to teach knowledge which is of a higher level than that of empirical science. Thus they are compelled to cut all connection between their statements and experience; and precisely by this procedure they deprive them of any sense.”
    — Rudolf Carnap

    “If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.
    — David Hume,

    “I think Obvious got a little finger-tied.”

    Who cares what you think about Obvious.

  10. on 02 Nov 2011 at 6:30 pm 10.Observer said …

    Apologies. #7 was posted by Observer. No. I am not Ted or any other entity on this website. Sorry about that “Anonymous”. Fat fingers and in a hurry.

    #9 Lou(DFW) Seems you have a better handle on metaphysics than Ted.

  11. on 02 Nov 2011 at 7:38 pm 11.Suh said …

    Lou(DFW)

    This is fascinating. You obviously do not know the difference between metaphysics and a metaphyscian. Before taking such a huge foot to the mouth at least google the term. If you believe the study of reality is nonsense then that might just explain alot.

    For Ted #2,

    Ontology is a perfectly good word for Ted #1 to use in his comment. Ontology is nothing more than a branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of reality or being if you like. Obvious is very obvious with that intention.

    Anonymous, why are you hiding?

  12. on 02 Nov 2011 at 8:25 pm 12.Lou (DFW) said …

    11.Suh said …

    “Lou(DFW)

    This is fascinating. You obviously do not know the difference between metaphysics and a metaphyscian. Before taking such a huge foot to the mouth at least google the term.”

    A metaphysian is a person who studies metaphysics.

    “If you believe the study of reality is nonsense then that might just explain alot.”

    Metaphysics is not the study of reality. The study of reality is more closely defined by the term science. Metaphysics is a kind of philosophy that EXPLAINS, not studies, existence and knowledge. As I previously wrote, metaphysics is nonsense, just as religion is nonsense that has no basis in fact. But we digress.

    Please post your evidence for your imaginary god. The bible is not evidence of god.

  13. on 02 Nov 2011 at 9:28 pm 13.Observer said …

    11. Suh Are you one of those goof-ball Koreans that misunderstands the corruption of Judaism called Christianity even more than most western Christians? Please prove otherwise:

    First, try to understand the English written by Ted, and then think about how he is using ontology.

    Second, how could one point to what “Obvious” was writing and infer to what ontology is being referred to by “Ted”?

    Third, while you are hammering away at Google, why not learn the definition of “ontic” and discuss how one would define the ontic of “God” and then do it.

  14. on 03 Nov 2011 at 8:51 pm 14.Observer said …

    C’mon Suh and Ted. Defend the rubbish you write.

  15. on 03 Nov 2011 at 10:22 pm 15.Asher said …

    “metaphysics is nonsense”

    That has got to be the silliest comment I have read on a blog.

    Aesthetics and axiology, they are just nonsense too! You take Nietsche way too literally.

  16. on 04 Nov 2011 at 12:57 am 16.Lou (DFW) said …

    15.Asher said …

    “metaphysics is nonsense”

    “That has got to be the silliest comment I have read on a blog.”

    Then apparently you haven’t been reading this blog for very long.

    “Aesthetics and axiology, they are just nonsense too! You take Nietsche way too literally.”

    Wrong, it is my opinion, not one I got from Nietche. Metaphysics is mostly meaningless conjecture. For all intents and purposes, nothing of any relevant value has been learned through metaphysics. Metaphysics is a distraction from the true study of reality (nature).

    BTW, would you agree or disagree that theology is a branch of metaphysics?

  17. on 04 Nov 2011 at 11:50 am 17.Observer said …

    Suh and Ted- Still waiting…

  18. on 04 Nov 2011 at 1:08 pm 18.Horatiio said …

    “I’ve been waiting (I’ve been waiting) for someone new To make me feel alive, ah-ah”

    Buster, (Ted?)

    Yes, Foreigner, were those the lyrics you were “waiting” for Buster?

    Suh has already made you look like a bigoted dalit(duh!) and made Lou like like a joke. What more does he need to do to you Buster?

    Suh.

    Don’t be surprised by Lou. He is not to much into reality.

  19. on 04 Nov 2011 at 2:51 pm 19.Lou (DFW) said …

    18.Horatiio said …

    “I’ve been waiting (I’ve been waiting) for someone new To make me feel alive, ah-ah”

    And we’ve been waiting for you to provide evidence of your imaginary god. But like the fraud you are, you NEVER do.

    “Suh has already made you look like a bigoted dalit(duh!) and made Lou like like a joke.”

    You do this for yourself every time you post such idiotic comments.

    “Don’t be surprised by Lou. He is not to much into reality.”

    But Hor is?! Ask him about his masturbatory fantasy “Broadway In The Basement” wherein he fantasizes about “Buster” dancing with Wiccans.

  20. on 09 Nov 2011 at 4:33 pm 20.Observer said …

    Ted- Did it take you all week to come up with the rubbish you are throwing around on the other threads? Why not clear up the silliness you started on this thread first?

  21. on 09 Nov 2011 at 4:34 pm 21.Observer said …

    Suh- C’mon. Give it another shot.

  22. on 22 Nov 2011 at 12:16 pm 22.Dimms said …

    Please answer these questions OR get rid of this emotive, intellectually vacuous video!

    It is a presentation of atheist propaganda and mythology. Surely “every rational person can see that”.

    “THE ONUS IS ON YOU!”

    This is the most emotive, unscientific, irrational monologue for atheism I’ve seen and heard in a while! Please answer the questions below intelligently and NOT EMOTIVELY. (I want rational answers, NOT atheist rhetoric and abuse). Preferably, I would like the person who created this video to respond. (I hope, within the worldview of secular democracy, I can make such requests). Quotes below are extracted from the above video.

    “It will become clear to you that your belief in God is delusional”? Really? How clear? Watch this treatise (Naturalism can be just as “delusional” or a “leap of faith” within an evolutionary worldview): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbjp9PrtPS8

    “Harm us as a species”?, Hurting us as a species? How do you define “harm” on atheism?

    “The hope is that you will start healing your delusion”? Are you a psychiatric health professional to make such diagnoses? Please demonstrate from credible extant psychiatric authority, that belief in god is pathology.

    “With each healing we make our world a better place”? This sounds highly emotive and irrational. Please define a “better place”. Be careful here, you may sound religious! It is hard to define “a better place” within a worldview which asserts there is no moral absolutes! Or are you claiming there are “moral absolutes” in this statement? If so, on what basis? Please consider intelligently this debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ

    Here you are also making the claim of psychiatric pathology and diagnosis – on what authority? The DSM-4 perhaps? Please outline your authority to make such claims.

    “A normal intelligent person”? – please define a “normal intelligent person”. On what cognitive framework do you make such claims of intelligence? I know of many “normal” and “intelligent” people who are geneticists, philosophers, scientists, artists etc who are also Christian theists.

    “Radically devalues human life”? Really? Does Christian theology, really devalue human life in such absolute terms? (this assertion belies a bad reading of history and Christian theology) Moreover, what, on atheism, is the value of the human species? Please watch how Sam Harris inadequately tries to affirm the “value” of humans and human morality within atheism in this debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ

    “The belief in heaven is delusional”? – really? On what diagnostic criteria?

    “The future of our species”? – this sounds highly teleological. How would you define, within your atheist mythology, what the ideal “future” of the species is, when atheistic evolution does not strictly allow for teleological/purpose claims? (Teleology is not built into the evolutionary, atheistic worldview). It is a mindless, and therefore purposeless process, isn’t it?

    “Your irrationality”? Please define “irrationality” within an atheistic worldview. And, furthermore, what is my “moral duty” that I “ought to” behave within your framework of “rationality”. Your impositions and claims are starting to sound very “religious”!

    “Help you recover from your delusion”? – Again, “delusion” implies a psychological pathology. Please display your credentials to make such diagnoses. Moreover, in what position do you situate yourself that you can “help” an individual suffering from this malady of “delusion”? Are you suffering from a “messiah complex”? Please save this highly evolved ape from its malady! Otherwise, I am damned! (hold on, damned to what!?…. oh yeah, the atheist’s arbitrary, non-binding judgements!)

    “Every study shows prayer is a superstition”? – Which studies? Please reference them. Are they studies which critique a robust exegesis, exposition and hermeneutics of New Testament theology on prayer, OR are they used as an attack on a “straw man Christianity” grounded in the theology of the “Word-Faith / charismatic Movement”? It is easy to deconstruct your own construct of “the enemy”.

    “Normal, healthy, human being”? – On your own worldview, what is a “normal, healthy human being”? – again, be careful, because your answer will imply a teleological projection, which a strict atheist worldview does not seem to allow.

    “You can begin your healing journey now”? – Wow, you are starting to sound like an authoritative faith healer! – On what authority do you make this claim? What is the ideal state of health I OUGHT to attain, if indeed, I am sick. (according to your presentation I am “sick” as a Christian theist)

    “A normal, healthy human being”? – again, a huge authoritative claim! Please define normal and healthy. Are you a health care professional? As a Christian theist, I am currently defined by accredited health care authorities as “normal” and “healthy”. Do you have some higher insight? On what authority do you make such claims of “health” and “normal” external of your atheist rhetoric? Be careful not to sound like a cult leader in your answer! You are starting to sound like the “ONE” who can save me!

    Final question: This world view thesis of the “delusional bubble”, if true, should also be applied to the “atheist bubble of delusion”, since atheism is also a worldview construct (read and view some of the material by Alvin Plantinga and William Lane Craig on this theme). When are you going to be intellectually consistent and analyse your own “delusion” and create a similar video?

    Thank you, genuinely, for the free discourse this site affords.

    Please ANSWER these inquiries from a thinking theist. Since it is an atheist site in the affirmative, the ONUS IS ON YOU to answer these questions imbedded in the above text. After all, I am the person you are proselytising and I’m still not INTELLECTUALLY convinced.

    Regards

  23. on 20 Dec 2011 at 12:34 pm 23.JD Atwell said …

    All Men Are Created Equal
    Posted on August 1, 2011 by My-holy Our Creator (Myholy) created Adam out of dust of the ground and blew the Breath of Life into him and he became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) The Mother of Adam is the earth.

    This means that your mother’s belly is made of dust of the ground in like manner so this also means that your Creator “MyHoly” formed you out of the dust of the ground in the same manner as Adam. And when you came out of your mother’s belly he blew the breath of life into you and you became a living soul just like Adam no difference at all.

    This means we all have the same warning in the form of a commandment that MyHoly gave to Adam; if we want to live don’t eat of the knowledge of a(good God and an evil devil) our Creator is one and we must worship him as one.

    Become a child of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over you (to die in the flesh) stop eating of the knowledge of good and evil and you will live, eat of it and you will die. This is the error of our forefathers that we keep eating of the knowledge of a good God and an evil Devil thinking we can gain life by eating of the very tree that was told to us that if we take in its knowledge we would die.

    JDAtwell -jda@jdatwell.net

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