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Christianity Thomas on 05 Oct 2011 12:57 am

An Episcopal priest asks: “Do we really live like Christians?”

It is painfully obvious to any intelligent person that American “Christians” are as un-Christ-like as a can be, but it is refreshing to see a priest pointing it out:

Tom Ehrich asks if we really live like Christians

What if America truly were a Christian nation?

We wouldn’t be taking votes on who gets medical care, or who gets to live, or who gets to learn, or whose rights matter more, or whose race or religion can’t be allowed to breathe freely. For Jesus gave healing to all who asked, defended the lives of sinners, taught all who were eager to learn, welcomed all to his circle — even outcasts, lepers and children. He had no regard for his own tradition’s finely tuned boundaries.

We wouldn’t be loading great wealth onto the already wealthy, but rather would be asking them to follow the lead of biblical tax collector Zacchaeus and to give away half of what they have.

We wouldn’t need as many lawyers, because generosity would trump tax-reduction strategies, parables would trump rules, property would be shared as needed and people would be forgiving — not suing — each other….

So true! This video puts a finer point on it:

23 Responses to “An Episcopal priest asks: “Do we really live like Christians?””

  1. on 06 Oct 2011 at 1:13 pm 1.Clausewitz said …

    I agree with the post and I think Marshall is finally getting it. Notice Jesus or the priest never claimed the gumment should be taking from the rich and giving to the poor. They like to buy $16 muffins and jet off to Spain and the Vineyard for expensive month long excursions. Imagine how many poor we could help on just what they spend.

    Then again, we are the most generous nation in the world and we just happen to have the largest number of Christians along with the highest tax liability of corporations. Bush helped Africa more than any other Prez in history. No coincident.

    Before Marshall and the liberal finger pointers get too hypocritical they need to look at some polls and find out just which group is the most generous. I don’t ask as if I don’t already know the answer. Christians can do better giving but the liberals just need to begin.

    Obama!, we saw your giving percentage before you became Prez……

  2. on 06 Oct 2011 at 1:24 pm 2.Lou (DFW) said …

    1.Clausewitz said …

    Stay tuned for Hor’s support of his comment.

  3. on 06 Oct 2011 at 5:41 pm 3.Observer said …

    #1 Again you chose to dishonor the name of a notable historical figure. The $16 muffin thing was a case of mistaken reporting. I can see how someone with their head in their ass cannot see how a president would not want to keep his head in the sand and not conduct formal or informal diplomacy. How far is Martha’s Vineyard from DC versus Crawford, TX? I doesn’t matter, the travel budget is infinitesimal versus the glaring waste in the DOD budget. If you want to help poor folk, there is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

    You are clearly too dense to understand, by the way I think you want to spell “government”, that the implication is taxation and intelligent institutions as per the New Deal need to be created.

    Again to your misinformation either intentional as in lying, or ignorance. The effective tax rate on corporations in the US is no where near the highest in the world. That is what matters. Thanks primarily to Republican corruption, the tax code is riddled with easy tax dodges for corporations.

    As for the last bit of horseshit about the generosity of xtians versus liberals, although I will concede the distinction you make between the two, xtians receive a tax-subsidy through the implicit state-support of religion. Decent folk like the liberals you mention are giving money to groups that will save the country from you and the filth you heap adulation on. Many of the worthy groups I just mentioned are not tax-exempt as you well know and so do not figure into charitable giving. So $1000 to Greenpeace is not counted, but $10 to a shit-hole Baptist church is counted.

  4. on 06 Oct 2011 at 6:12 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    >Then again, we are the most generous nation in the world

    That’s a myth.

    The truth:

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2676

    “Today, Americans think about 20 percent of the federal budget goes toward foreign aid. When told the actual figure for U.S. foreign aid giving (about 1.6 percent of the discretionary budget), most respondents said they did not believe the number was the full amount (Program on International Policy Attitudes, 3/7/05).

    It’s no wonder that most Americans think they live in an extremely generous nation: Media reports often quote government officials pointing out that their country is the largest overall aid donor, and the biggest donor of humanitarian aid. But what reporters too often fail to explain is how big the U.S. economy is—more than twice the size of Japan’s, the second largest, and about as big as economies number 3–10 combined. Considered as a portion of the nation’s economy, or of its federal expenditures, the U.S. is actually among the smallest donors of international aid among the world’s developed countries.

  5. on 06 Oct 2011 at 6:59 pm 5.Curmudgeon said …

    I don’t know why anyone on this blog would converse someone like Observer. Rather than insult I will just provide facts. Lou is a follower so I expect no less. Let me set the record straight.

    Conservative vs Liberals by Arthur C Brooks (generosity and giving)Liberals are much better with the money of others, not their own.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

    http://talkingpoints.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/conservative-vs-liberal-charity-donations/

    Tax Rates on Corporations

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/economy/03rates.html

    But due to Obama unwillingness to close corporate loopholes they actually pay about an average rate. Obama’s buddies at GE pay ZERO. Factor in the leeches called unions and it is amazing they make any profit. Then if we can get Obama’s cabinet to pay their taxes that would sure help things

    Add to that that 8 of the top 10 poorest cities all have DNC leadership for decades. That explains why the US is now on the brink of complete economic collapse.

    All facts, no insults but the truth does sting.

  6. on 06 Oct 2011 at 10:36 pm 6.Curmudgeon said …

    I don’t know why anyone on this blog would converse someone like Observer. Rather than insult I will just provide facts. Let me set the record straight.

    Conservative vs Liberals by Arthur C Brooks (generosity and giving)Liberals are much better with the money of others, not their own.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

    Tax Rates on Corporations
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/economy/03rates.html

    But due to Obama unwillingness to close corporate loopholes they actually pay about an average rate worldwide. Obama’s buddies at GE pay ZERO. Factor in the leeches called unions and it is amazing they make any profit. Then if we can get Obama’s cabinet to pay their taxes that would sure help things.

    Take a look at Obama’s boys storming wall street. Their demands are so child-like and ridiculous it is absolutely laughable.

    Add to that that 8 of the top 10 poorest cities all have DNC leadership for decades. That explains why the US is now on the brink of complete economic collapse.

    All facts, no insults but the truth does sting.

  7. on 07 Oct 2011 at 1:30 am 7.Observer said …

    #5 Cur- You are dense, or have zero reading comprehension. The article makes my point, but omits the salient factor, that the religious (xtians) are dumping money into churches which count as a charity, versus something that will make the world a better place which is often not allowed a 501-3c status.

    Obama’s unwillingness to close corporate loopholes? That is the legislative branch moron, not the executive branches purview (moron).

    I am surprised that it isn’t 10/10.

  8. on 07 Oct 2011 at 2:04 am 8.Anonymous said …

    I find it quite telling that theists on this blog equate giving money to being a good Christian. It seems that buying your way into heaven is only one step removed from excusing oneself from direct action by the useless act of prayer.

  9. on 07 Oct 2011 at 1:23 pm 9.Lou (DFW) said …

    7.Anonymous said …

    “I find it quite telling that theists on this blog equate giving money to being a good Christian.”

    Especially when their religion is subsidized by the taxpayers.

  10. on 07 Oct 2011 at 2:38 pm 10.Lou (DFW) said …

    5.Curmudgeon said …

    “Let me set the record straight.”

    Let me set the record straight – you never provide any evidence for your imaginary god.

  11. on 07 Oct 2011 at 6:00 pm 11.Curmudgeon said …

    #7 Observer

    If the articles makes your point then good. That means you agree with me. Just be honest about it.

    Obama is not the legislative branch you say Observer? I agree. Could you let him know that. But since he presents legislation, could you tell him to be honest about it.

    Lastly I find it telling liberals are so jealous of conservatives. Its a good thing conservatives far out number the liberals or there would be no charities.

    While you guys protest this weekend, can you come up with a common message and stop getting your members arrested. Take a page from the tea party and follow the law.

  12. on 10 Oct 2011 at 1:54 am 12.Xenon said …

    Cur

    Here is a great article.

    http://www.michaelshermer.com/2002/06/shamans-of-scientism/

  13. on 10 Oct 2011 at 11:13 pm 13.petter - norway said …

    Great video… and it reminded me on another contradiction in the bible: Ok, I am going to sell everything to follow Jesus, but… to whom..? Should I not care about the buyers destiny..? Well, my contribution to a better world would be to live in luxury and save the souls of the poor, isn’t that nice..?

  14. on 10 Oct 2011 at 11:15 pm 14.Curmudgeon said …

    Xenon,

    Thanks for the article it is quite funny. Hawkings doesn’t make for much of a God but human beings will fall for any other substitute for God.

    I ran across this article. I am trying to support the author with good reason.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/religious-right-now/post/the-complete-idiots-guide-to-protecting-american-atheists/2011/08/12/gIQA8Fd5AJ_blog.html

  15. on 11 Oct 2011 at 3:25 am 15.Observer said …

    #11 The article also oozes the envy Schermer feels being someone who wrote about “it” versus actually doing “it”. What is funny is that you would cite Schermer to make a point, I am not quite sure what point it might be, yet he is someone who thinks you and your ilk are on par with illiterate unwashed savages, maybe worse, since the unwashed savages have not had the benefits of living in a rich liberal society.

    You, Cur and the ever lamentable Hor are such wankers.

  16. on 11 Oct 2011 at 7:57 pm 16.Biff said …

    Cur,

    Thanks for the article. He missed a few so I added to the list. It is about time someone rounded up all the lunacy of these idle handed atheists who have nothing better to do than be offended.

  17. on 11 Oct 2011 at 8:58 pm 17.Lou (DFW) said …

    15.Biff said …

    “It is about time someone rounded up all the lunacy of these idle handed atheists…”

    Round them up? Then what would you have done to them?

    “…who have nothing better to do than be offended.”

    Translation: Anybody who doesn’t agree with me and my idiotic, backwards religious beliefs that I must force upon everyone else because of my insecurity in those beliefs.

  18. on 12 Oct 2011 at 6:05 pm 18.Lou (DFW) said …

    16.Lou (DFW) said …

    15.Biff said …

    “It is about time someone rounded up all the lunacy of these idle handed atheists…”

    “Round them up? Then what would you have done to them?”

    Adolph, er, Biff, I’m waiting for your reply. What would you have done to atheists after you rounded them all up?

  19. on 17 Oct 2011 at 5:06 am 19.Nicole said …

    Jesus came to save sinners, not “perfect” people. Jesus loves sinners, just not sins.
    God Bless

  20. on 17 Oct 2011 at 12:03 pm 20.Anonymous said …

    Except your dead Jew on a stick is a fairy tale, a myth, a story visited on gullible people to control them through their fears and insecurities.

    Someone has to love those child-raping priests that you Christians look up to, right?

  21. on 17 Oct 2011 at 2:30 pm 21.Lou (DFW) said …

    18.Nicole said …

    “Jesus came to save sinners, not “perfect” people. Jesus loves sinners, just not sins.”

    Then why did your imaginary god make imperfect people and sin? Just so he can flood the world to eradicate them, and then later sacrifice his “son” to “save” them? Even though he didn’t actual save them because we’re they’re going to eternal hell unless they kiss his ass. Your imaginary god sounds like a maniacal sadist to me.

  22. on 17 Oct 2011 at 4:30 pm 22.DPK said …

    Explain to us why an all powerful, perfect being would have to have a blood sacrifice in order to “forgive” sins? Like he has no choice?
    When one of my kids does something wrong, I forgive them because I love them, and I don’t demand that someone die in their place.
    I mean, come on, who’s making the rules here after all?

  23. on 27 Oct 2011 at 8:11 pm 23.benson abraham said …

    I was very much eager to see something like this. Because i am such a person or may be the only one who is currently doing his PG in biotechnology, but still believes that earth was formed in 6 days.
    You may think that i am a true christian believer , but it is not so, I am a polythiest. I believe that all religions and science is from God, so that he can decieve us.
    How??
    1. God is all powerful, so only someone like HIM can be a threat to him.
    2. Man had that potential. RECALL : when moses went to pharoah, he dropped his stick, which became a snake. But the other magicians also did the same. The only difference is that God’s power overpowered.
    If mankind would have gone in the same path, maybe a day would have come when our powers would have overpowerd God’s.
    Tell me what is he supposed to do to hide his power (technology) away from us? The answer is simple, somehow make him believe that he is created not in the image of God, but some kind of a monkey.
    3. Time is applicable to man, but not God. We cannot change the past, but God can.
    RECALL : In the wedding of cannan, jesus converted water into wine. First there was water in the jar,which is the truth. Second, after the conversion there was wine in the jar, which is the truth. Now how much you test, you can never come to know that initialy it was water in the jar. So what will you believe to be the truth?
    Think!
    If God change the history of earth, then in wat will you believe, the one that was intially created or that has been altered.
    [In the whole bible, there is only one place, where is a mention of particular word or a spell (which we are all familiar off) which would have probably change the history of the earth.]
    4. I am a polythiest, so i believe that other religions from the same God. Because if, there would have been no concept about good, bad, sin, heaven etc. no body could have understood what the apostles meant by saying Jesus has sacrificed his life to save us from our sins.
    If i am wrong please correct me and follow me on bensonabraham86 in TWITTER
    THANK YOU!!!
    BE A FREE THINKER…….

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