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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 12 Aug 2011 12:35 am

Simple question: Does Secularism Make People More Ethical? Simple answer: Yes.

Simple question:

Does Secularism Make People More Ethical?

Simple answer:

So what do these increasing numbers of non-believers believe in, if not God? Sociologist Phil Zuckerman, who hopes to start a secular studies major at California’s Pitzer College, says that secularists tend to be more ethical than religious people. On average, they are more commonly opposed to the death penalty, war and discrimination. And they also have fewer objections to foreigners, homosexuals, oral sex and hashish.

20 Responses to “Simple question: Does Secularism Make People More Ethical? Simple answer: Yes.”

  1. on 15 Aug 2011 at 11:52 pm 1.Mitch said …

    Interesting, the secularist have now defined “ethical” but on what foundation? Opinion? Laws? What?

    Lets examine what little they offer.

    1. Death penalty – This is legal and many states and nations but the secularist have implied it is unethical. On what would this argument be founded ? Opinion, Laws? what?

    2. War- Not aware of anyone who desires war outside of a CNN commentator but the secularist seem to claim war is wrong in all circumstances. On what is this founded? Opinion, Laws? What? Didn’t Obama enter the last war?

    3. Foreigners- Not much to go on but it is probably fair to say illegal immigrants. What part of the phrase “illegal immigrant” do they find ethical? Opinion, Laws? what?

    Well I think the point is made that the game the so-called secularist play is more of a means to allow themselves to feel good about themselves. Every poll I have seen finds the conservative-right to be the most generous of groups so possibly they are more ethical?

  2. on 16 Aug 2011 at 4:50 pm 2.Lou said …

    1.Mitch said …

    “Well I think the point is made that the game the so-called secularist play is more of a means to allow themselves to feel good about themselves.”

    That is only your personal opinion, and it’s irrelevant to whether or not secularists or religious are “more ethical.”

    “Every poll I have seen finds the conservative-right to be the most generous of groups so possibly they are more ethical?”

    Generous in what way? Please show us said polls.

  3. on 16 Aug 2011 at 5:36 pm 3.Curmudgeon said …

    I read the article Mitch and you raise some good questions. This organization has set up the constructs of ethical and any variation will not be permitted. This can be gathered since they now call their adherents ethical and non-adherents unethical.

    What gives one man right to call another man unethical based on his own opinion?

  4. on 16 Aug 2011 at 7:16 pm 4.Lou said …

    3.Curmudgeon said …

    “This organization has set up the constructs of ethical and any variation will not be permitted.”

    That is a lie. Please quote the article wherein “this oraganization has set up the constructs of ethical and any variation will not be permitted.”

    “This can be gathered since they now call their adherents ethical and non-adherents unethical.”

    Oh, so it can “be gathered (by you),” so the article doesn’t really say what you claim. Who cares what nonsense you “gather?”

    “What gives one man right to call another man unethical based on his own opinion?”

    Obviously a rhetorical question because that is SOP for hypocritical xtians.

  5. on 16 Aug 2011 at 7:46 pm 5.Curmudgeon said …

    Let me quote for you Lou:

    “Sociologist Phil Zuckerman, who hopes to start a secular studies major at California’s Pitzer College, says that secularists tend to be more ethical than religious people.”

  6. on 16 Aug 2011 at 7:54 pm 6.Lou said …

    5.Curmudgeon said …

    Let me quote for you Lou:

    “Sociologist Phil Zuckerman, who hopes to start a secular studies major at California’s Pitzer College, says that secularists tend to be more ethical than religious people.”

    AND? How does that refute anything I wrote in reply to your #3?

  7. on 16 Aug 2011 at 10:18 pm 7.Curmudgeon said …

    “How does that refute anything I wrote in reply to your #3?”

    It appears I have given you entirely too much credit Lou. I do apologize.

  8. on 16 Aug 2011 at 11:15 pm 8.Lou said …

    7.Curmudgeon said …

    “It appears I have given you entirely too much credit Lou. I do apologize.”

    You don’t have to apologize – for not answering questions here, you almost never do.

  9. on 17 Aug 2011 at 12:17 am 9.Anonymous said …

    Interesting, the secularist have now defined “ethical” but on what foundation? Opinion? Laws? What?

    Here is how:

    http://decidingtobebetter.com/morality.htm

  10. on 17 Aug 2011 at 1:28 am 10.Mitch said …

    Listen to this demonstrably false statement from the link.

    “Goodness springs from the human intellect. Human beings create and implement Goodness, and we do it for good reason. By understanding this simple fact of life, we are able to understand the power of Goodness and bring that power into our own lives.”

    I did laugh since it sounds like the musings of a 7 year old. Let us examine if this is true. Lenin was a very intelligent man as was Hitler. I could list hundreds and hundreds of politicians in DC over the last century who were very intelligent but also very unethical.

    So, does morality spring forth from the intellect? No.

    How about determining right & wrong? If a person doesn’t mind being lied to then lying is ethical. I deal with corporate managers who expect to be lied to and do not mind doing the same. It is called survival of the fittest in their world.

    Terrorist have demonstrated they do not mind dyeing for their cause therefore killing is OK.

    I didn’t see abortion in the list. If you do not want to be aborted should you abort a baby? Toughie….Well, let pass by that one for the moment.

    No, this doesn’t work either.

    Not to mention the person who put these rules in place is making themselves the ultimate authority.

    Sorry A, the website has failed but a nice attempt.

  11. on 17 Aug 2011 at 2:03 am 11.Anonymous said …

    Sorry A, the website has failed but a nice attempt.

    Strangely you offer no alternative, and you ignore the fact that humans always have and always will define ethics. There is no one else but humans to do the defining.

  12. on 17 Aug 2011 at 3:16 am 12.Lou said …

    10.Mitch said …

    “I did laugh since it sounds like the musings of a 7 year old. Let us examine if this is true. Lenin was a very intelligent man as was Hitler. I could list hundreds and hundreds of politicians in DC over the last century who were very intelligent but also very unethical.”

    “I did laugh” because you demonstrated how faulty your thinking is. That someone is both “intelligent” and “very unethical” is not evidence that morality does not “spring forth from the intellect.” The state of being “very unethical” is a degree of morality. “Badness” also “springs from the human intellect.”

    You are such an ignorant ass. While attempting to refute that “morality spring[s] forth from the intellect,” you actually supported that assertion that morality, both good and bad, “springs from the human intellect.”

    Please tell us – where does morality originate?

  13. on 17 Aug 2011 at 4:02 am 13.Joe said …

    @ Mitch:

    Regarding death penalty:
    Here is a diagram of countries that have death penalty.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_Penalty_World_Map.svg
    Basically you find death penalty in Islamic countries and dictatorships – and the US. Makes you wonder what type of ethical values you need to support death penalty, doesn’t it? In any case, death penalty is a typical non-Western world thing and pretty uncommon in countries with a Christian heritage. I am glad that God is giving so much guidance to the US. (Irony!)

  14. on 19 Aug 2011 at 12:15 am 14.Biff said …

    The answer is No. Secularism does not make people more ethical. As we become more secular our morality plummets.

  15. on 19 Aug 2011 at 12:54 am 15.Anonymous said …

    The answer is No. Secularism does not make people more ethical. As we become more secular our morality plummets.

    Strangely you offer no data to support this opinion.

  16. on 19 Aug 2011 at 1:38 am 16.DPK said …

    The answer is No. Secularism does not make people more ethical. As we become more secular our morality plummets.

    As evidenced by??????
    Perhaps the overwhelmingly religious populations of US prisons?

    Biff.. you’re full of crap. What about “thou shalt not bear false witness?” doesn’t that apply to you? You have no compunction about telling outright lies, or are you actually so deluded you don’t realize they are lies? Sad.

  17. on 19 Aug 2011 at 1:25 pm 17.Lou said …

    14.Biff said …

    “The answer is No. Secularism does not make people more ethical. As we become more secular our morality plummets.”

    Except that there’s no evidence to support your conclusion.

    If anything, religion gives people a greater opportunity for immoral behavior. It gives them both excuse and license. One need look no further than the Catholic priest child-molestation scandals. And the list goes on.

  18. on 20 Aug 2011 at 9:47 pm 18.A said …

    “The answer is No. Secularism does not make people more ethical.”

    Agreed, society has proved this time and time again.

  19. on 24 Aug 2011 at 9:05 pm 19.I believe in Him said …

    10.Mitch- sorry but crossing the line, some christians belive in abortion i dont but please listen

    Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. — 2 Samuel 12:14

    personally it was the paernts fualt, and the kids did nothing wrong BUT this is NOT abortion- abortion is of their own free will

    Abortion is a sin against ourselves, “in those things whereof ye are now ashamed… for the end of those things is death” (Romans 6:21).

    “And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do… and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child” (2Kings 8:12).

    Basically HE hates abortion and says its evil that does it and US

  20. on 06 Sep 2011 at 12:20 am 20.Dick Rickey said …

    With religion (as well as many other things) there is an opportunity to gain power/influence over others. It’s the power that corrupts. Many have used religion to do good.

    Arguing with religious people who quote the Bible/Qu’ran/Torah/etc. to make their point is not a constructive use of anyone’s time.

    It is my personal belief that anyone who believes in a god or practices religion is lazy and mentally inferior. Not in terms of intellect but in terms of will. It is just what I believe and what I have observed in 50 years of living. I see it as a crutch, like using drugs or alcohol to cope with the unpleasantries of life. I don’t say these things to insult.

    The best example of words to live by I have seen is Desiderata by Max Ehrmann.

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