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Christianity &Islam Thomas on 13 Jun 2011 12:20 am

“God’s Will” rejects a baby born of fertility treatments

Yet another problem with religion – it reinforces stupidity and technophobia:

Unhappy at the prospect of grandparenthood

My husband and I are finally pregnant. It’s been a long and physically and emotionally taxing road, but it’s well worth it, and we are so relieved and SO thrilled.

The only damper is that my parents weren’t in contact much through this whole process, mustered surprisingly little joy when they heard the news, and have finally revealed that it’s because they don’t believe in infertility treatments. They don’t believe it’s “God’s will,” and they would have preferred if we had adopted a naturally born child.

The problem with this logic is obvious to any thinking person: If fertility treatments are not “God’s will”, then neither is any other medical treatment. If “God” were going to heal someone, he would do it himself, so all medical technology goes against “God’s Will”.

See also: Proof #34 – Examine your health insurance policy

22 Responses to ““God’s Will” rejects a baby born of fertility treatments”

  1. on 15 Jun 2011 at 5:00 am 1.Anonymous said …

    The Bible is silent on fertility treatments, artificial insemination, genetic engineering, open heart surgery, pharmaceuticals, abortion, induced coma, vaccinations, antibiotics, anesthesia, hand sanitizer, etc. Why doesn’t God speak about these things given they are so common today? Why didn’t he foresee them when he wrote the Bible? Why doesn’t God issue a Bible update now, or speak openly himself on these topics? Why do humans have to guess what he is thinking?

  2. on 15 Jun 2011 at 12:33 pm 2.DPK said …

    “Why doesn’t God issue a Bible update now, or speak openly himself on these topics? ”

    There is no shortage of self proclaimed ministers of his word who have no problem telling the rest of us exactly what his will is… they’re called churches, and we have an abundance of them.

  3. on 16 Jun 2011 at 4:22 pm 3.Anonymous said …

    > they’re called churches, and we have an abundance of them.

    But the opinions of one church can be the opposite of the opinion of another church. Why doesn’t God set the record straight?

  4. on 16 Jun 2011 at 5:06 pm 4.DPK said …

    Because if he did that, then you wouldn’t need faith to believe in him.
    That wouldn’t do, now would it?
    D

  5. on 17 Jun 2011 at 2:07 am 5.Anonymous said …

    > Because if he did that, then you wouldn’t need faith to believe in him.

    Then why did he write the Bible?

  6. on 17 Jun 2011 at 3:24 am 6.DPK said …

    He wrote the bible so that we can have theologians “interpret” it for the rest of us who are too stupid to understand that he really didn’t mean all the stuff he actually wrote in there. Stuff about beating your slaves and killing adulterers and homosexuals. He didn’t really mean that, but he wrote it there so the churches can study in “in context” and declare that he didn’t really mean that at all.
    You seem to have doubts, my son. You need to stop thinking about such things and just listen to what you are told. If god wanted you to think about it, he would have given you a…….. oh never mind. Look, it’s beyond human comprehension anyway, so why try? That’s why god wrote the bible.

  7. on 20 Jun 2011 at 11:38 pm 7.John Satan said …

    This is a great blog. Just found it, and a great addition to the God is Imaginary and Why won’t God Heal Amputees books.

    I like the “Bible Update” idea. I think the problem is that when god wrote the bible the first time, he was drunk and just pissed off.

    The second time, when he added the new testament, he was kinda saying “look honey, I’m really sorry I beat you and said all those nasty things, can you just forgive me and maybe we’ll start over?”

    Maybe an update to clarify that it’s OK to seek medical treatment, and these days it’s not OK to have slaves (just in case anyone still wants to argue that), etc.

  8. on 21 Jun 2011 at 11:49 pm 8.Xanthe Wyse said …

    I find it intriguing that people give credit to god when they got pregnant via IVF. A christian friend used a sperm donor to have children as the male was infertile (the bible only assumes females are). Other christians told them it was adultery to use a sperm donor. It’s not like she slept with someone else (like the men did in the bible).
    Another christian friend is considering a hysterectomy because she fears getting the cancer that killed her mother. Her faith in surgery & genetics outweighs her faith in god when it comes to the crunch.
    Many believers now say that god provided the doctors etc

  9. on 27 Jun 2011 at 1:29 am 9.Mister Sandi said …

    Calling it as I see it:

    I smell a strong odour or sockpuppetry in this thread.

  10. on 04 Jul 2011 at 7:47 am 10.tech_80 said …

    We dont understand many things, and that’s when Faith came in handy. I don’t think that IVF is bad God gave us science too. so believers are closed minded, but God is good. If He wanted we could heal cancer and all the sickness and He could end all poverty but He doesn’t because we need to learn how to depend on Him. think of a child born that didn’t need a mother to feed him and watch over him. same with us we need God. without sickness there will be no need for a Healer, without poverty no need for a Provider, withou people like you there will be no need to study the bible. God is all about Trust. give Him a change and you will see. you can’t tell if a orange is sweet until you try it same with God

  11. on 04 Jul 2011 at 8:17 am 11.Severin said …

    10 tech_80
    “If He wanted we could heal cancer and all the sickness and He could end all poverty but He doesn’t because we need to learn how to depend on Him.”

    People teach pigs to depend on them by feeding them, not by neglecting them.
    Your god must be an idiot if he expects people to learn how to depend on him by letting them die like flies, without giving them any help.

  12. on 04 Jul 2011 at 2:53 pm 12.Lou said …

    10.tech_80 said …

    “If He wanted we could heal cancer and all the sickness and He could end all poverty but He doesn’t because we need to learn how to depend on Him.”

    That has to be one of the dumbest, nonsensical, irrational comments that I have seen posted here.

    Even IF there was a god who could but wouldn’t do those things, then how could anybody depend on him?

    For example, my pet depends on me to feed, house, and care for him. I want him to survive, and be happy and healthy. He would be dead if I didn’t. Your omnipotent god does nothing for humans except mistreat them. If I mistreated my pet in the same way that your god treats humans, then I would be in jail.

  13. on 23 Jul 2011 at 2:03 am 13.Gaytheist said …

    God has been rejecting a lot of people lately! Considering he’s all about unconditional love, it does sound a bit peculiar!

  14. on 20 Sep 2011 at 4:17 am 14.andrae heeren said …

    do not test the lord your God yes it says in the bible ask and you shall recieve but i think there is a difference between asking and testing the lord and it takes wisdom and a true relationship with God to know the difference

  15. on 20 Sep 2011 at 3:56 pm 15.Paul said …

    Sorry to burst that atheistic bubble my friends but your argument that God is imaginary? Is quite weak and has no real foundation to it… Thus, if this God was found to be just a fable, then every person who has already died since the beginning of creation is going to remain in that grave in a nonexistent state, forever.

    If God is nonexistent, then all hope of an eventual resurrection from the dead must be deemed as untrue too. Thus, taking away the true meaning of life as we all know it, leaving no hope for an afterlife judgment or redemption is 100% unacceptable by every standard of creative logic.

    Atheism in my personal opinion is a weak clueless premise of irrational thought! Deep down inside every agnostic thinking person hidden under years of verbal abuse, is the true heart of that person. Now I don’t care if you’re a believer or nonbeliever doesn’t really matter. Nevertheless, mark these words well for there will come a time when we all think exactly alike.

    Yes, this life changing flashback scenario happens sometimes only once just before he or she who has enjoyed good reasonable health and prosperity over the years suddenly feels an unmistakable all too mortal life extinguishing pain deep inside one’s chest. Before the paramedics can arrive to offer any aid, a billion+ thoughts pass through a truth about creation sifter first.

    It’s a proven fact, that we all become believers (rather we choose too be or not) when a rational thinking mortal being is faced, with the ultimate challenge to one’s own existence, our eventual physical death…

  16. on 20 Sep 2011 at 4:31 pm 16.DPK said …

    Perhaps your irrational fear of death causes you to wish for an eternal life and be willing to reject reason in favor of what your call “creative logic”… (what the f&*k is that? Logic that you manipulated to give you the answers that you want? Brilliant!)

    And, as sad and pathetic as your terror of death is to you, take heart that you did not exist for billions and billions of years before your conception and it was not terrible, now was it? When the electrochemical reaction that is your life ceases, it will be no different and will not inconvenience you in the least.

    “If God is nonexistent, then all hope of an eventual resurrection from the dead must be deemed as untrue too. Thus, taking away the true meaning of life as we all know it…”
    Don’t speak for me please. Life is not meaningless for me just because there is not another one waiting around the corner. It is so sad that you think yours is. What is even sadder is that you waste the one you have in serfdom to an imaginary being.

  17. on 20 Sep 2011 at 4:42 pm 17.Anonymous said …

    #15 Paul “Thus, if this God was found to be just a fable, then every person who has already died since the beginning of creation is going to remain in that grave in a nonexistent state, forever.”

    Yes, that is the idea, at least after the mold and worms are done.

    “If God is nonexistent, then all hope of an eventual resurrection from the dead must be deemed as untrue too.” Quite right again. Wishing for a Leprechaun to lead you to a pot of gold is along the same line of reasoning, or for Santa to bring you a new car.

    “Thus, taking away the true meaning of life as we all know it, leaving no hope for an afterlife judgment or redemption is 100% unacceptable by every standard of creative logic.” Yet again, you are correct! Theists are wed to what you so aptly call “creative logic”; it is a wonderful euphemism for BULLSHIT. If one uses garden-variety logic, then your statement is utter nonsense.

    ” Atheism in my personal opinion is a weak clueless premise of irrational thought! ” You really are knocking the ball off the cover. We can then assert as a corollary that “Theism is a STRONG(ly) clueless premise (for) irrational thought!”

    “It’s a proven fact, that we all become believers (rather we choose too be or not) when a rational thinking mortal being is faced, with the ultimate challenge to one’s own existence, our eventual physical death…” From the last piece of prose we can tell you are either a non-native English speaker or from the South, but you seem to miss the point here. It is without dispute “the ultimate challenge to one’s own existence, our eventual physical death…” adequately captures the notion of materialism. Where you are off the mark though is that theists, particularly xtians, are not guaranteed to become rational when facing their own mortality. In fact, many of the fools think that the Great Wish Fulfilling Jewish Zombie is going to come and give them a hand as they leave that old mortal coil behind, when we all know you just die.

  18. on 20 Sep 2011 at 5:08 pm 18.Lou (DFW) said …

    15.Paul said …

    “…then every person who has already died since the beginning of creation is going to remain in that grave in a nonexistent state, forever.”

    BINGO! YOU GOT IT!

    Every living thing that was born dies and simply reverts to its original state of being – nonexistence. Just as before you born you will be when you die. It’s that simple, yet throughout mankind it’s been some deep, dark mystery when it really isn’t.

  19. on 20 Sep 2011 at 5:21 pm 19.Observer said …

    #17 Anonymous was Observer

  20. on 20 Sep 2011 at 6:43 pm 20.believer said …

    Paul, if you believe that heaven is a place that exists and that you literally go there after you die, then truly you are a grade “A” moron.

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  22. on 14 Oct 2014 at 8:20 am 22.Sam said …

    Hello. There were ‘sick people’ when Jesus walked the earth and there were ‘doctors’ when Jesus walked the earth. The bible says that Jesus healed the sick of, “All manner of diseases.” Back to the original post, infertility is a disease of the body (like any other disease, it is attributed to either an imbalance or an organ/cell dysfunction) which needs to be healed by earthly doctors or by God (through faith or through wisdom i.e. him leading you to the correct doctor.)

    Don’t fear doctors, they are there for our well being. I’m off to a fertility doctor now because I want a baby. They will let me know where my/my spouse’s problem lies. God provided everything in the 7 days of creation. His work was finished on the 7th day, then he rested. He isn’t going to do anymore. We have to do the rest.

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