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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 04 May 2011 12:40 am

Why do the religious attempt to destroy homosexuality, when clearly their “god” loves it?

This video makes a great point about “God” and Homosexuality: “How Many Gays Must God Create Before We Accept That He Wants Them Around?”

Google follows up with an inspiring commercial:

Why can’t the religious see how repulsive their behavior toward homosexuals is?

71 Responses to “Why do the religious attempt to destroy homosexuality, when clearly their “god” loves it?”

  1. on 04 May 2011 at 5:07 pm 1.Rostam said …

    We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist. Should we sit back and accept these acts as well? What a stupid argument.

    If you want to practice homosexuality have at it. Why must I approve? If a homosexual does not want my opinion don’t ask. Why do you care? Oh, wait it is because you want my vote. Sorry I stay out of others bedrooms.

    Now I see.

  2. on 04 May 2011 at 5:23 pm 2.Lou said …

    “1.Rostam said …

    “We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist.”

    Yes, and you can thank your god for that.

    “Should we sit back and accept these acts as well? What a stupid argument.”

    No more so than your comparison of homosexuals and their acts to “pedophiles, murderers and terrorist[s]” and their acts.

    Actually, you miss the point that your imaginary god doesn’t have anything to do with any of these things. You shouldn’t condemn and reject or accept and condone any group because of your delusional belief in a imaginary maniacal god.

  3. on 04 May 2011 at 6:04 pm 3.Biff said …

    What really gets me is the gays who get angry at the gays who want to be helped out of their lifestyle. Of course the militant groups are the ones you hear the most. The quiet peaceful gays get no press coverage.

    All types of sin have been around for centuries. I wouldn’t expect homosexuality to be any different. As long as it is legal they can do as they desire. That is between them and God.

  4. on 05 May 2011 at 4:18 pm 4.Joshua said …

    @ Rostam 1

    No one is asking for your approval or your acceptance. What they want is your tolerance. You don’t have to like it, and you can say how much you don’t all you want.

    The issue is when the religious interfere in the lives of homosexuals. Until they get equal treatment under the law, those on your side of things will be mercilessly criticized.

    The comparison with pedophilia and murder is complete bullshit. What two consenting individuals do is nothing like pedophilia or murder. Comparison fail.

  5. on 05 May 2011 at 4:24 pm 5.Joshua said …

    @ Biff 3

    Why do you complain about the sun rising? “Militant” members of every group get the most attention, it goes without saying. I put the word militant in quotes because it is a ridiculous word to use in this situation. They use words, there is nothing militant about it. If you confuse use of words with things of a military nature you have bigger problems (and a thinner skin). A suicide bomber is militant. An abortion clinic bomber is militant. A gay who quite rightly believes that desiring to change sexual orientation implies that it is something bad that needs to be changed is not militant. They are passionate, like most christians and muslims.

  6. on 05 May 2011 at 6:30 pm 6.A said …

    “You don’t have to like it, and you can say how much you don’t all you want.”

    Untrue. The militants do march and protest and call everyone who does not accept their lifestyle a homophobe. To top off their crazy lies they want it labeled as hate speech.

    Any gay who wants out should be allowed without the militants harassing them. I think we need to add that to their hate speech guidelines.

    The militants realize if they do not have a certain number they will lose power in DC. Any gay who is cured of the lifestyle is evidence against their claims.

  7. on 05 May 2011 at 7:30 pm 7.Burebista said …

    Some individuals may have a predisposition toward homosexuality but is something that should be treated like alcoholism or any other predisposition. Homosexuality is a choice many make and they need help.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12585809

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/07/19/whoops-lesbian-person-year-gay-press-goes-straight-baby

  8. on 05 May 2011 at 7:33 pm 8.Lou said …

    7.Burebista said …

    “Some individuals may have a predisposition toward homosexuality but is something that should be treated like alcoholism or any other predisposition. Homosexuality is a choice many make and they need help.”

    Do you mean like being religious?

  9. on 05 May 2011 at 7:43 pm 9.Joshua said …

    @ A 6

    I see a lot of spin in your speech. Care to defend your words?

    “Untrue. The militants do march and protest and call everyone who does not accept their lifestyle a homophobe. To top off their crazy lies they want it labeled as hate speech.”

    Oh noes! They are saying bad things!

    What I said was “You don’t have to like it, and you can say how much you don’t all you want.” How does what you said prevent people who do not accept homosexuality from speaking? Everything you said in the quote above has to do with your side being criticized. Marching, protesting, calling homophobes, labeling as hate speech, that is all speech and does nothing to prevent you from speaking up. Maybe you are just oversensitive to being criticized. I don’t blame you given the quality of your comments. But it’s pretty pathetic to respond to criticism with claims that speech is being suppressed. Make better arguments.

    “Any gay who wants out should be allowed without the militants harassing them. I think we need to add that to their hate speech guidelines.”

    Define harassment.

    If it is just criticism, get a spine. If it is physical, I agree with you. No one has the right to not be criticized or have their feelings hurt.

    “The militants realize if they do not have a certain number they will lose power in DC. Any gay who is cured of the lifestyle is evidence against their claims.”

    Abusing the word militant again. Show me evidence that gays are being “cured”. The evidence I have encountered indicates that largely what is happening is gays are being celibate, and bisexuals are choosing to limit to the opposite sex. I also dispute that gay is something that needs to be “cured”, there is no problem to cure bigot.

  10. on 05 May 2011 at 9:23 pm 10.Horatiio said …

    Bure,

    Sounds like atheism. LOL, OK before the atheist get their panties is a wad…..

    Lighten up atheist, its just speech get a spine!

    Josh,

    If you can’t define the words used, get back to your local middle school buddy boy. Hate speech can lead to jail time little buddy and considering who gets to decide that is serious business. Hey, you might just end up there.

  11. on 05 May 2011 at 10:44 pm 11.Joshua said …

    @ Burebista 7

    Looks like the little parrot does not know how to cite sources and say why they support his opinion. I have more respect for someone who can say why a source supports them in in their own words. I guess I’ll do his work for him, if it’s possible.

    That first link does nothing to help you unless you elaborate.

    About 25% of the women gave up their previous identities, the rest did not label themselves at all.

    Women who gave up their identities still had the same attractions, even though they were less attracted to men than the women who did not give up their identities!

    So only one person changed their identity, and it may just be a bisexual choosing men. This does nothing to show that it is a choice. In my mind the only question is should they change. The answer to that is NO! If they want to change it is their choice to try, but my right to try to convince them not to, and/or criticize the ones telling them they should try to change. Attempting to change is nothing but a road of pain for an exclusive homosexual.

    I found a link to the full paper. I’ll check it out after work.

    http://www.psych.utah.edu/people/people/diamond/Publications/Was%20it%20a%20Phase.pdf

  12. on 05 May 2011 at 10:47 pm 12.Joshua said …

    @ Burebista 7
    (What’s with the spam filter???)

    You second link also does not support you, unless you elaborate. There is no indication that she is lezbian or bizexual. The fact that Kerry Pacer’s claim to fame was fighting for school alliances, and the fact that she STILL supports them probably means that she was bizexual since she has no problem with homosexuality in general.

    Sexuality is a spectrum going from 100% homosexual to 100% heterosexual. I consider myself about 80% straight. I am attracted to men, but am already in an exclusive relationship with a woman and don’t want to cheat. The more your assumptions fail to take reality into account the more you fail in general.

    As usual when you look a little deeper the bigot’s case falls apart.

    By the way the spam filter does not like this for some weird reason. That is why I spelled a few things differently.

  13. on 05 May 2011 at 10:58 pm 13.Joshua said …

    @ Hotatiio 10

    Get a spine and prove it.

    Restrictions on speech have been very narrowly defined by the supreme court. Essentially the only things that can be punished are

    1.knowing defamation with intent to cause harm 2.verbal fraud akin to identity theft
    3. incitement (direct requests to break the law.

    “Hate speech” is not a legal term because it is not illegal. No one has been arrested in the US for it.

    To quote myself from a previous thread “I don’t think you care about considering the evidence of others anyway. I post a set of comments giving evidence from the writings of the founders that demonstrates that they did not consider the bible once, you say nothing. I link to the supreme court cases showing why atheism is considered on par with theism in law, you say nothing. I offer to explain why physicists think there may be multiple universes, you say nothing. I explain a detailed view about where morality comes from if there is no god, you say nothing. You may not have been involved in any of these issues (I have to check), but I have never seen you respond to a substantive post with anything other than ad hominem attacks and childish grade school taunting, or silence. In fact I have never seen you offer anything like a substantive reply of any kind. Just weapons grade psychological projection. You are mildly annoying at worst. Moderate practice at best”

  14. on 05 May 2011 at 11:26 pm 14.A Romantic said …

    Josh is gay. Now we see why he fights against the obvious choice in homosexuality. In my community I know of 10 former homosexuals who went through a very popular faith based program here in my town. A couple have been straight and married for 12 years or more. Its a choice, no doubt.

  15. on 05 May 2011 at 11:48 pm 15.Joshua said …

    @ A Romantic 14

    Still no substance.

    Even if I was gay that changes nothing of my arguments, and the fact that apparently you can’t respond to them.

  16. on 06 May 2011 at 1:28 am 16.A Romantic said …

    Joshua

    I apologize guy. I don’t have near the time you do. When I see something worth elaborating on, I do. When I need real research, I open a book. Often, I consider life experience like above. You don’t believe what you posted has any real merit do you????

    All I see from your post is emotional masturbation.

    BTW, in Sweden a pastor is facing jail time for hate speech. Canada already has similar laws. You don’t think it will be long before it arrives her do Josh?? See how a bill becomes a law.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

    Late

  17. on 06 May 2011 at 1:55 am 17.Observer said …

    I agree with all that the hate speech thing is a slippery slope. Where would I be? F*cking Southern evangelical whitetrash filth might no longer have to endure my invective. It would be a shame to have to closet my very refined and discriminating misanthropy.

    As for the homosexuality, women are much more mutable. But, there are lesbians and gay men who are just wired that way- as in there is a biological basis. There is a huge amount of literature on that. Get a Helen Fisher book and look at the (usually) immense bibliography. These things are not mysteries, but as it is the same crowd arguing that guys make a decision to suck other guys cocks, rather than be compelled to do so, are the same folks that believe in talking snakes, man made from clay, wish fulfilling Jewish zombies, etc., it is no wonder they miss that the whole gay thing is not a choice. Leave them alone.

    How creepy is it that women marry these supposedly reformed gay men? What was the name of that evangelical minister in Colorado who was busted for smoking a crack pipe and his buddy the male prostitutes pink pipe?

  18. on 06 May 2011 at 11:36 am 18.JohnnyP said …

    RE: #16

    “…in Sweden a pastor is facing jail time for hate speech. Canada already has similar laws. You don’t think it will be long before it arrives her[e] do [you]…? “

    As much as I can’t stand them, I have to agree that even the deranged right wing christian whackjobs should be free to express their tired, hateful rhetoric. I guess people are finally getting fed up with them constantly pointing their self-righteous fingers and hissing “Sin! Sin! O dirty sin!” at everyone outside their circle of piety.

    What’s funny about it is that they actually believe calling gays demonic, immoral, filthy, perverted, society-destroying, child-molesting abominations, etc. is not hateful. And then they become indignant when gay activists respond with equal venom.

  19. on 06 May 2011 at 1:12 pm 19.Lou said …

    10.Horatiio said …

    “Sounds like atheism.”

    How original, but incorrect. Atheism is simply the rejection of delusional theism.

  20. on 06 May 2011 at 1:20 pm 20.Lou said …

    10.Horatiio said …

    “Hate speech can lead to jail time little buddy and considering who gets to decide that is serious business.”

    Oh really? Please explain.

  21. on 06 May 2011 at 2:24 pm 21.Joshua said …

    @ A Romantic 16
    “I apologize guy. I don’t have near the time you do.”

    Then don’t post.

    If you can’t say something that you are not sure of, don’t risk looking like an idiot. I don’t want your apology, I want to see theists actually use reasoned arguments with evidence. I want to see you guys able to repeat an argument in your own words and not post a link because you are a parrot. In lieu of that I will point out the failings in your comments for fun and practice. I do this because to me the greatest problem with society today is the willingness of people to give opinions on things that they have no knowledge of.

    “When I see something worth elaborating on, I do.”

    Then you risk looking like a dumbass in front of folks who know better and can show why you are wrong.

    “When I need real research, I open a book.”

    Because no one could possibly write a book that is untrue right? When you research you should look up original sources on the topic (book or web), and detailed commentary by people who are experts in the relevant area. Preferably you want experts who disagree because they will be bringing out the big guns (relevant data) to refute the other person’s argument and you can get more perspectives this way. On top of that you need to make sure you look for evidence that contradicts the view you prefer so that you can explain it, or change your mind if it is sound. It’s not the source, it’s the discussion of the meaning of the sources among honest individuals with a commitment to discovering reality as it really is.

    “Often, I consider life experience like above.”

    Which is anecdotal unless you have a lot of them picked randomly. Should I just choose the experience of a child molested by a priest to inform my opinion about Christianity?

    “You don’t believe what you posted has any real merit do you????”

    Absolutely, and the fact that you can’t (or won’t) say why it has no merit gives what I posted more merit. I always attach a “why” to my “what” statements because that is where the real value is. Anyone can say whatever crap they want online. What matters is if you can defend it. I see no “why” on your “what’s”

    “All I see from your post is emotional masturbation.”

    Isn’t it cute when they try to use new phrases? Emotional masturbation means that the sole purpose of a comment is only an emotional release to make the poster feel better. It is used when there is no substance to the comment, only assertions. Like your comment. Since there are “why’s” on my “what” statements your accusation is wrong on it’s face.

    “BTW, in Sweden a pastor is facing jail time for hate speech. Canada already has similar laws. You don’t think it will be long before it arrives her do Josh?? See how a bill becomes a law.”

    Evidence please (on such laws coming here, not the Sweden situation). I oppose and have criticized Europeans who defend their draconian speech laws on the internet with all the vitriol that I have used on theists here. I support free speech(and liberty in general) to the edge of insanity. Just because you are criticized does not mean the next step is that you will get arrested for your speech. Hell, the KKK is still allowed to march and spew all of their crap. NAMBLA is allowed to have their speech and their supporters are only arrested for actions.

    This is why I hammer evidence so much. Your comments are so easily refuted that I can only assume you never read outside of you little social bubble except to “stick it to the atheists”.

  22. on 06 May 2011 at 4:53 pm 22.Severin said …

    16 A Romantic
    “BTW, in Sweden a pastor is facing jail time for hate speech.”

    Yes, it is true!
    If someone in Sweden (Germany, Italy, GB, ….) publically says things like:
    “Homosexual are garbage, they should all be separated in special camps (killed, castrated…)”
    or
    “We did not give job to that man because he declared himself/herself a homosexual”

    he/she risks to face jail time.

    Can you please quote SOME EXAMPLES of public “hate speach” of a gay individual or group?

    Can you tell us precisely WHY are homosexual people dangerous/immoral?

    Precisely!

  23. on 06 May 2011 at 6:05 pm 23.Severin said …

    1 Rostam
    “We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist. Should we sit back and accept these acts as well? ”

    And, according to statistics, most of them are believers in god(s).
    Practically no atheists among them.

    But, do yoy, somehow, equalize pedophiles, murderers and terrorists with homosexuals?

    Please explain the meaning of your words!

    WHAT are the “acts” we should not accept?

  24. on 06 May 2011 at 6:30 pm 24.Horatiio said …

    LOL, I like the emotional masturbation A Romantic. That’s great! Joshua is right up there with Nose Buster when it comes to his self importance.

    But think about it. Anyone who claims to extensively research a subject (If he knew what that mean) and post his results on WWGHA is someone with major issues.

    I can only imagine he is very frustrated with job/life and this is the only place he can feel important.

    David Barton or Joshua? Hmmm, let me compare their credentials and I will make an unbiased decision.

    An Observation,

    I have never witnessed more hate speech that I see here from atheist. I know much of it is frustration but it might be a positive if we get the hate speech law in the USA.

  25. on 06 May 2011 at 6:55 pm 25.Joshua said …

    Still no response from Horatiio, just more assertions. I am more than comfortable letting the readers decide.

    Seriously, Barton doesn’t even have anything to do with this thread. WTF?

  26. on 06 May 2011 at 7:09 pm 26.Lou said …

    24.Horatiio said …

    “I have never witnessed more hate speech that I see here from atheist.”

    Then you must live a very sheltered life.

    “I know much of it is frustration but it might be a positive if we get the hate speech law in the USA.”

    How would it “be a positive?

    I noticed you’ve gone from “Hate speech can lead to jail time little buddy” to “if we get the hate speech law in the USA.” You’re such a dumb-ass.

  27. on 06 May 2011 at 7:20 pm 27.Lou said …

    24.Horatiio said …

    “Anyone who claims to extensively research a subject (If he knew what that mean) and post his results on WWGHA is someone with major issues.

    I can only imagine he is very frustrated with job/life and this is the only place he can feel important.”

    Yet you’re here arguing with him.

  28. on 06 May 2011 at 7:21 pm 28.JohnnyP said …

    RE: #1

    “We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist. Should we sit back and accept these acts as well?”

    No we shouldn’t. Pedophiles hurt our children. Murderers and terrorists kill people. Please explain what harm homosexuality causes you. What a stupid argument indeed.

    “If you want to practice homosexuality have at it. Why must I approve? If a homosexual does not want my opinion don’t ask.”

    If you want to practice christianity have at it. Why must I approve? If a christian does not want my opinion don’t come to an atheist website.

  29. on 06 May 2011 at 8:26 pm 29.JohnnyP said …

    RE: #24

    “I can only imagine he is very frustrated with job/life and this is the only place he can feel important.”

    @Joshua: Kid, I can see you really got to ‘em. Nicely done. And I, for one, appreciate your posts. You’re intelligent, articulate, reasonable, logical, and impassioned. You got it all over them and they know it.

  30. on 06 May 2011 at 11:48 pm 30.DPK said …

    Horatio has completely abandoned even making an attempt at asserting any real position anymore and has sunk to just making personal attacks on Joshua. The sad part is he seems to think this makes him look clever. I don’t think Jesus would approve.

    Sad indeed.
    D

  31. on 07 May 2011 at 12:52 am 31.Ben said …

    Joshua has it over Severin but that would be about it. I have yet to see a point but a lot of aimless rambling.

    Horatio has a good time and is funny. Xenon, Romantic and Rostam always make some very good points. You guys are bright, articulate and don’t over think a blog……..thank you! I despise having to page threw long rambling post by those attempting to write their dissertation.

    Keep it up guys. You have them on the run.

  32. on 07 May 2011 at 3:12 pm 32.DPK said …

    Ben,
    On at least 3 (possibly more) separate occasions I have asked you directly and concisely to respond to a very specific and limited point. Yet, you have never responded with a direct answer.
    Why is that?

    Rostram makes some very good points?
    What, like this one in regard to homosexuality?

    “We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist. Should we sit back and accept these acts as well? … Sorry I stay out of others bedrooms.”

    So equating homosexuals to pedophiles, murders, and terrorists while claiming to ” stay out of people’s bedrooms” is a good point?? It not only is contradictory, it is completely, totally unwarranted.

    This is the same Rostram who graced us with this gem of logic:
    “Even Satan believes in God.”

    and his ultimate explanation of why atheism is incorrect:

    “Did you know it has been demonstrated abundantly that minority held beliefs not only CAN be wrong, historically, they frequently ARE.”

    This is your hero?

  33. on 07 May 2011 at 3:17 pm 33.Observer said …

    #31 Ben Your observation that Xenon the inert gas bag, Romantic the ethereal simpleton, and Rosta the would-be hammer for the Jewish zombie were he not such a lightweight, are not prone to over thinking a blog is spot on. That you would think either is bright or articulate says more about your lack of gifts than most anything else you have written.

    Keep up the splendid work!

  34. on 07 May 2011 at 5:18 pm 34.Ben said …

    DPK

    No more than Lou, Severin and Joshua are your heroes. Then you have J Goebbels there. So childish.

    Satan does believe in God.
    Minority beliefs are often wrong.
    He didn’t equate homosexuals with pedophiles – you did.

    Why don’t you prove his/their points wrong rather than whining. That could be more constructive. Good luck to you.

  35. on 07 May 2011 at 7:15 pm 35.Severin said …

    34 ben
    “Why don’t you prove his/their points wrong rather than whining.”

    Why don’t you ONCE answer the simple question:
    WHAT IS WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALS?
    Why do you find them immoral?
    What are those people doing wrong?

    Try it!
    If you don’t answer this simple question, you lose.
    It is not enough to equate them with pedophiles, murderers and terrorists, as no normal human being can see and understand such a comparison.

    Or, maybe you think that in a debate among normal people it is enough to just angrily/sarcastically expose your oinion to make it right?
    It is not!

  36. on 07 May 2011 at 9:33 pm 36.Curmudgeon said …

    Severin are you high?

    If so ignore this question.

    Where did Ben claim homosexuals are immoral? I don’t see it.

    Again if you are high, never mind.

  37. on 07 May 2011 at 11:26 pm 37.DPK said …

    “Why don’t you prove his/their points wrong rather than whining. That could be more constructive. Good luck to you.”

    I would be happy to, if I could find an actual point. Please review their posts and find me one other than, “Even Satan believes in God.” Which is no more valid than saying the Easter Bunny believes in Santa, so that proves Santa is real.

    Back to you. You claimed that healing miracles in response to prayer,that were observed “everywhere”, were proof of god’s existence. I asked you to demonstrate that these healing miracles only happen to believers, or only to believers in Jesus, or Allah, or whoever you claim performs them. That would indicate that the healing you describe are the conscious work of a god in response to prayer.
    You never responded. Why?

    I have also asked, and it may not have been you, but perhaps one of your other heroes, to please put into context god’s instructions to kill all manner of sinners including homosexuals, adulterers, those who work on the sabbath, mix crops in their fields, are disrespectful to their elders… yada yada yada….
    When I quoted chapter and verse from the bible about this before I was admonished to “read the bible in context.” I have asked anyone here to please put a direct instruction from god to kill someone into a context that would explain how that is not what he really meant. No one has been forthcoming, and my point has been net with silence. So, Ben… care to actually prove a point or once, or should we wait for Hor to provide us a dismissive “LOL?”

    There you go. Two direct, to the point challenges that await an intelligent response. We are listening.

  38. on 07 May 2011 at 11:34 pm 38.DPK said …

    Crumudegon:
    Ben did not say homosexuals where immoral, Rostram said that in response to the origianl topic of homosexuality”

    1.Rostam said …

    We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist. Should we sit back and accept these acts as well? What a stupid argument.

    Ben just agrees with him when he says:
    “Xenon, Romantic and Rostam always make some very good points. You guys are bright, articulate and don’t over think a blog……..thank you!”

    Then Ben said, in reply to me:
    “He (Rostram) didn’t equate homosexuals with pedophiles – you did.”
    Which means Ben either does not do well with reading comprehension, or he doesn’t like to tell the truth.

    To the larger question, it is pretty clear that the bible says homosexuality is immoral and sinful. I take it you do not agree with the bible? Good for you.

  39. on 08 May 2011 at 12:05 am 39.Curmudgeon said …

    “Ben did not say homosexuals where immoral, Rostram said that in response to the original topic of homosexuality””

    First learn to spell original and Rostam. Second, you are a liar. It is a strong word but there is no other to describe you. His post does not state one word about immorality. This would include Ben and Rostam.

    Guys like you read things in to statements not made in order to start an argument. Might he believe it is immoral? Maybe, but for you to imply such on your own is a dishonest assertion.

    Then you go on to make assumptions about others. This is what causes blogs to go down hill and become ugly. Stay on topic, stop falsely accusing others or do the site a favor and stay off the blog.

  40. on 08 May 2011 at 12:48 am 40.DPK said …

    Pardon my spelling mistake. That’s certainly a major reflection on me, isn’t it? Geez.

    Ok genius, what would YOU conclude his point is when putting homosexuals in the same category as pedophiles, murderers, and terrorists? That they all have poor dental hygiene? Get real. Of COURSE Rostam was inferring that homosexuality was immoral by placing it in the same category as other clearly immoral behaviors.
    Plus, past history here makes it clear that Rostam is a christian apologist and believes that the bible is the inerrant word of god. The bible is clear that god considers homosexuality to be immoral. So, it’s a pretty safe assumption that Rostam agrees, otherwise he would not have made his inflammatory statement. Plus, I don’t hear him denying it.
    If you have a point to make, at least make one that is not petty and ridiculous. It only makes you sound like a fool.

  41. on 08 May 2011 at 6:42 am 41.Severin said …

    Ben, Curmudgeon,

    I deeply apologize I thought that you thought that homosexuals are immoral.
    You only put them in the same category as pedophiles and murderers, you never said the category was immoral.

    To avoid further mistakes and apologies, I ask now directly:
    Do you think that something is wrong with homosexuals?
    If yes, what?

  42. on 08 May 2011 at 1:53 pm 42.DPK said …

    I think the more relevant question Severin, is that since they will not admit that they think homosexuality is immoral, then what specific characteristics do homosexuals share with pedophiles, murders, and terrorists that makes Rostam’s original point anything more than verbal diarrhea?

    Curmudgeon seems to be sure there is one, and has chastised me for putting words in Rostram’s mouth.

    Curmudgeon, let me apologize in advance too, for any spelling or grammatical errors that may have offended you.

  43. on 08 May 2011 at 6:29 pm 43.Curmudgeon said …

    I think no less of homosexuals than you do of Christians. Of course, I never believe homosexuals to be child abusers. So maybe I think more highly of them than you do Christians.

    The more relevant question would be why do you care if anyone considers homosexuality to be immoral? Personally I could could not care less if you, homosexuals or Sam Harris think my theist beliefs are immoral.

    DPK,

    Apology accepted but you still cannot spell Rostam. Second I never claimed your poor grammar was offensive so again you are a liar. Is this habitual for you?

    Rostam was a God so I would think spelling it would be easy for you. But kudos to you. You managed to stay on topic and that is definitely an improvement.

  44. on 08 May 2011 at 7:31 pm 44.Curmudgeon said …

    Sorry if I failed to mention this before but…

    Rostam just gave “IT” to me in the anus!!!

  45. on 08 May 2011 at 7:36 pm 45.Rostam said …

    Next I’m gonna toss his salad. I takes mine with syrup!

  46. on 08 May 2011 at 7:38 pm 46.Curmudgeon said …

    MMM, MMM! Damb I hate God.

  47. on 08 May 2011 at 7:39 pm 47.Rostam said …

    Just as much as we love homosexual sex little buddy!!!

  48. on 08 May 2011 at 7:58 pm 48.DPK said …

    43.Curmudgeon said …

    I think no less of homosexuals than you do of Christians.

    What do you know about what I think of christians? Stop putting words in my mouth or thoughts in my head.
    You have made a false assertion. Geez, and you slam everyone else.

    I’ll say this, I don’t think christians, on the whole, belong on a category with murderers and terrorists. Pedophiles? Well, some of them clearly do, but that’s because of document-able facts, not simply because I say so. I don’t think that on the whole, christians are any more or less moral than any other segment of the population.

    If you two don’t care about homosexuality in the least, then are you just here to waste bandwidth and to hear yourself yammer? I mean really, why are you here?

    Rostam, Rostram, Rosetom… all the same to me. Not really high on my list of things to care about. Glad it annoys you though.

  49. on 09 May 2011 at 1:29 am 49.Curmudgeon said …

    DPK

    So you don’t agree with your buddies here that Christians should be charged with child abuse? Were you not the one who made such a claim?

    “Stop putting words in my mouth or thoughts in my head.”

    Pardon? What words or thoughts did I put in your head.

  50. on 09 May 2011 at 1:34 am 50.Curmudgeon said …

    “If you two don’t care about homosexuality in the least, then are you just here to waste bandwidth and to hear yourself yammer?”

    Because it is the topic of the thread. I have plenty of bandwidth but thanks for caring.

    Since you don’t care about addressing others correctly mind if I call you Dip?

  51. on 09 May 2011 at 3:57 am 51.DPK said …

    You can call me anything you like. You obviously have a need to feel superior, so go right ahead.

    Actually, I said people who indoctrinate children with terrifying stories of fire and brimstone and eternal damnation are guilty of child abuse. Are you asserting that christians do that? Maybe so, but it not certainly not a purely christian practice, so again, why are you putting words in my mouth?

  52. on 09 May 2011 at 3:59 am 52.DPK said …

    Great thread!
    So, let’s review what we have learned so far:

    Rostam equates homosexuals with pedophiles, murderers and terrorists, but Crum asserts that does not necessarily mean he thinks that it is immoral. Crum actually has no idea what you can infer from this. He is not exactly a Sherlock of deductive reasoning.

    Biff wonders why all gays can’t be “quiet and peaceful gays” who know their place in the back of the bus.

    Burebista thinks homosexuality is a disease like alcoholism, and they need to be “cured.”

    Crumb and Rostum do not care about homosexuality in the least, but like to participate in threads about gay rights. Apparently for no reason but to amuse themselves.

    Ben agrees with Hor that “Even satan believes in god” and that that proves the existence of god. Ben also refuses to answer any questions in defense of his faith.

    Crumb and Rostram do not care one bit about homosexuals but they do seem to enjoy a little “man on man” action themselves, or at least they delight in talking about it in a very frat boy kind of way.

    Crum also seems to take delight in pointing out typos and misspellings. I’m guessing this gives him some feeling of superiority.

  53. on 09 May 2011 at 1:19 pm 53.Joshua said …

    @ JohnnyP 29

    Thanks!

  54. on 09 May 2011 at 6:14 pm 54.Lauren said …

    God didn’t create “gays”.
    This is known as free will which God does give each and every one of us.

  55. on 09 May 2011 at 6:52 pm 55.DPK said …

    Lauren, I agree with you that god didn’t create gay people. I have an issue with it being a matter free will though. I’m straight, and I’m sorry, I just could not “choose” to be turned on by a guy. I’m not wired that way and it just wouldn’t work for me. If you are also straight, can you say you could “just decide” to be a lesbian? What makes you think it’s any different for gays? Unless you can speak from personal experience, I don’t think you have any foundation to make your assertion that sexual orientation is a choice we make with free will.

  56. on 09 May 2011 at 7:05 pm 56.Anonymous said …

    #54-god created all life…god knows all, sees all, and is all powerful.
    god knows who turns out gay in advance of their choice….god could but chooses to do nothing to correct the behaviour. god approves of gays. maybe god is gay.

  57. on 09 May 2011 at 7:26 pm 57.Lauren said …

    I can only say this, think about it in terms of you choosing not to believe in God.
    Not choosing to be gay or not, because ok you’re not.
    But, I think that goes back to the free will of loving who ever you want to love, and if a man finds attraction in another man, then so be it.

  58. on 09 May 2011 at 7:27 pm 58.Lauren said …

    Don’t be ignorant anonymous!

  59. on 09 May 2011 at 7:29 pm 59.Lauren said …

    Use the brain that God gave you and be slow to anger. :)

  60. on 09 May 2011 at 7:31 pm 60.Lauren said …

    So where are yall from?
    I’m from Texas and it’s 2:31 P.M. here!

  61. on 09 May 2011 at 7:33 pm 61.Anonymous said …

    #54-god created all life…god KNOWS ALL, SEES ALL, and is ALL POWERFUL.
    god knows who turns out gay IN ADVANCE of their choice….god COULD but CHOOSES TO DO NOTHING to CORRECT the behaviour. god approves of gays. maybe god is gay.

    god has omni-max powers….(important words are highlighted above) we are programmed by god…he/she made us….he/she knows how we will behave….we have no choice but to carry out our lives according to god’s plans….if we deviate from “the plan” then god loses his knows all/sees all powers.

  62. on 09 May 2011 at 7:42 pm 62.Lauren said …

    Ok anonymous,
    First of all, God will do something when he is asked to do something, he doesn’t CHOOSE not to do anything.
    Secondly, if we did everything by god’s plans, we would be perfect, you are an example that no one is perfect. LOL! :) We all are!
    Anways, I just go about my life and pray that I make the right decisions and try to do right, and not be hateful.
    Also, that he leads me, it’s actually amazing how he answers prayers. He’s amazing, you could experience it too, if your up for it!

  63. on 09 May 2011 at 7:46 pm 63.Lauren said …

    You all should read the bible. It’s actually quit interesting!
    But, pray that God helps you to interpret it the way that he wants you to :)
    Especially Matthew!
    Jesus spoke in parables so it’s really cool to try to break them down and understand what he was talking about. I encourage you all to!

  64. on 09 May 2011 at 7:52 pm 64.Anonymous said …

    so god isn’t perfect? god created us, knows how we will behave, knows if we will ask for holy intervention…..
    god made us and god knew we were/are imperfect. the creation should reflect on the creator. think, lauren, think!!! when something I made breaks, I own up to it.
    god knows IF I will pray, god knows that I won’t…it’s not in “the plan”. ….god failed….god saw that I would fail to believe, so god fails.
    god does or does not know the future…what is it lauren?

  65. on 10 May 2011 at 3:50 pm 65.Joshua said …

    @ Ben 31
    Points Ben missed;
    *If you can’t say something that you are not sure of, don’t risk looking like an idiot.
    *Because no one could possibly write a book that is untrue right?
    *It’s not the source, it’s the discussion of the meaning of the sources among honest individuals
    *Should I just choose the experience of a child molested by a priest to inform my opinion about Christianity?
    *Anyone can say whatever crap they want online. What matters is if you can defend it. I see no “why” on your “what’s”
    *Emotional masturbation means that the sole purpose of a comment is only an emotional release to make the poster feel better.
    *Just because you are criticized does not mean the next step is that you will get arrested for your speech.

    Just because you don’t like what I have to say does not mean you should be allowed to pretend that I said nothing. Just like everyone else, if you do not attach a “why” to your “what” statements all you are doing is asserting something without evidence. If we are truly “on the run” it should be easy for you to say why.

    “I despise having to page threw long rambling post by those attempting to write their dissertation.”

    Ahhhh… The root of the problem. No desire to actually read anything of substance. Intellectual laziness. You balk at reading a page at most? Now I can reject the bible if Ben ever wants to use it because it’s just too long to bother with.

    “Why don’t you prove his/their points wrong rather than whining. That could be more constructive.”

    You don’t even care if we try to “prove” anything. Just above you said that you did not want to read anything we put up. Sorry but a lot of things that are worth writing about need some length to be covered well.

    Seriously, you will look like a coward if you don’t address this. You want us to “prove” something but won’t read it.

  66. on 10 May 2011 at 4:00 pm 66.Joshua said …

    @ Curmudgeon 36
    DPK already did a good job of this but the fact that you can’t see what we do is why I keep talking about “why” statements attached to “what” statements. It’s like you guys can’t handle inferences and context so you don’t have a very deep understanding of what others write.

    Ben wrote,
    “We have pedophiles, murderers and terrorist. Should we sit back and accept these acts as well? What a stupid argument.
    If you want to practice homosexuality have at it. Why must I approve? If a homosexual does not want my opinion don’t ask. Why do you care? Oh, wait it is because you want my vote. Sorry I stay out of others bedrooms.
    Now I see.”

    1. I think that it is obvious that Rostam thinks it is immoral. It should be obvious to you that homozexuals should not be in the same category as pedophiles, murderers, and terrorists. He chose those things for a reason, and since P, M, and T have violence, pain, and death as shared characteristics, it looks like a category and it is not unfair to infer that he is putting homozexuals into that category.

    Without telling us what his problem with homozexuality is, we are left with this category placement. P, M, and T are commonly thought of as immoral and it is silly to oppose things of this nature that are not immoral. Hence our claim that he thinks homozexuality is immoral. He would not be doing any of this if he thought differently.

    2.His second statement contradicts his first statement. “If you want to practice homosexuality have at it.”, “Sorry I stay out of others bedrooms.” Is not compatible with “Should we sit back and accept these acts as well?”.

    Since I think that it is more likely that he would type things more important to him first, I think that it is more likely that he really thinks that homosexuals belong in the same category as the others.

    If we are wrong you need to say why. Just claiming some of us are liars without showing why does nothing.

    (Why does the spam filter keep refusing my comments unless I deliberately mispell some things???)

  67. on 10 May 2011 at 4:00 pm 67.Joshua said …

    @ Curmudgeon 43
    “Why do you care if anyone considers homosexuality to be immoral?”

    Because people act on their beliefs, in the ballot box if nowhere else. Because such people prevent them from marrying, adopting, and other areas where they don’t get equal treatment. Because such people spread lies about homosexuality and health either deliberately or because they are too lazy to look to information. Because such people and their leaders have made grandiose statements about how homosexuals are some kind of threat to marriage and families, without ever showing why. I am sure that I have missed a lot of other examples.

  68. on 10 May 2011 at 4:21 pm 68.Joshua said …

    @ Lauren
    Hi Lauren!
    I know you mean well but there are a lot of things that you are doing here that is not going to be convincing to the atheists here.

    1. I have read the bible and it is interesting to me, but not in the way that you want it to be. To me the bible is similar to Greek mythology or other ancient literature. But we don’t accept it as anything more. We don’t have any good reason to accept that it is a good source of morality, history or anything else because we do not believe that the god it is supposed to represent actually exists. So all these claims that you are making about this god don’t mean anything to us because we do not believe he exists.

    2. Most of us don’t think that belief is a matter of choice. You either believe because you have enough evidence or you don’t. Most of us (me certainly) don’t say “god does not exist” because that would require specific knowledge that indicates that god does not exist. Instead we say “we do not believe god exists” because we have found that arguments and evidence for god unconvincing.

    3. I also do not think that many of us will accept that we are interpreting or understanding the bible wrong without an explanation about why. Too someone who does not believe in god, claims that we need a sort of supernatural “secret decoder ring” to properly understand written words with a historical context and hundreds of years of scholarship and analysis seems kind of silly. If you believe that we are not interpreting things correctly you will have to tell us why.

    4. I too am from Texas. :)

  69. on 10 Aug 2011 at 3:17 am 69.Nicole said …

    God to said to love everyone.

  70. on 12 Sep 2011 at 1:43 pm 70.WISEMAN said …

    Dear Joshua,

    You have tried very hard to attack every words and comments that was written here. Please refer to your Bible(Old Testament)Book of Numbers, chapter 23, verses 1 to 9. God was very angry with the Israelite because they committed sexual sin with the local population. 24,000 people were killed because of this sin. The city of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of sexual sin. The male population(gay) wanted to have sex with the Angels who were at Lot’s house at that time. Lot offer to give his daughters to them but they refused. what happen today is that we have a lot of men having sexual relationship with other men. God anger shall befall upon them and they shall be infected with all kind of deceases which nobody can cure(the same with the Lesbian). Joshua, how can you put your penis into a male ass hole full of shit, bacteria, fungus and virus. The name Joshua was the man who took over from Moses who lead the Israelite to the promise land. Like what Joshua said the words of the Bible is a fraud and there is no truth and prove to it. Joshua, why don’t you ask the Israel people themselves whether they exist or not or otherwise you will call them a liar. The Bible also tell the history of these people and you call them a liar? Even Satan believe the words of God in the Bible but you do not. You must be worst than Satan himself. To all of you who do not believe in God, think about it before making any drastic comments. Thank you. May God bless us all and have a beautiful day.

  71. on 12 Sep 2011 at 3:29 pm 71.Observer said …

    #70 WISEMAN I say- WELL DONE! Your precise erudition, scholarship and incisive insight have put these matters to rest once and for all.

    We can now terminate this blog and the website freeing up the address for worthier causes. Perhaps online literacy lessons?

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