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Christianity Thomas on 25 Feb 2011 12:51 am

What do intelligent people do with this level of delusion? Part 2

In Part 1 we examined the Christian belief in creationism.

Here in part 2 we will look into the Christian belief that there are two gods, not one. This is interesting because Christianity normally thinks of itself as a monotheistic religion. Yet the evidence demonstrates otherwise. Just look at this statement of faith, which is typical of many Baptist churches:

Friendship Baptist Church Doctrinal Statement of Faith

It starts out by defining God:

We believe there is one, and only one, living and true God, an infinite, intelligent Spirit, the Creator and Supreme Ruler of heaven and earth. This Divine God is inexpressively glorious in holiness and worthy of all possible honor, confidence and love. He, as a unified, Triune God, eternally existing in three distinct persons: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit – each co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections. Each Divine Person executes distinct, but, harmonious offices in the great work of the redemption of the unregenerated souls of spiritually lost mankind. (Deuteronomy 6:4; Genesis I-2; Isaiah 44:6, 57:15; Matthew 28:19; I Corinthians 8:6; II Corinthians 13:14; John 10:14, 26)

We will ignore for now the absurdity of “one” God requiring three “distinct persons”.

Now contrast that definition of God with this definition of Satan:

We believe that Satan was created perfect, as a cherub called Lucifer, and because of pride, rebelled against God and became the author of sin. As the openly declared enemy of God, he appeared as an angel of light to Eve in the Garden of Eden and tricked her to disobey God. Adam, her husband, who was with her, knowingly and willfully disobeyed God’s command, resulting in the fall of man. As the Devil, he appears on Earth as the god of this world working in judgment, killing, deceiving, hindering, tempting and accusing. During the Great Tribulation, he will indwell the Antichrist. After the Antichrist is destroyed, he will be chained in the bottomless pit during the 1000 year reign of Christ. At the end of that time, he shall be loosed for a season to assemble an army of sinners for his last attempt to overthrow God. He and his army will be defeated and he will be cast into the Lake of Fire to be eternally punished. (Ezekiel 28:12-19; Isaiah 14:12-15; II Corinthians 11:14; Genesis 3;1-6; Romans 5:12; II Corinthians 4:3-4; Matthew 4:2-11; John 8:44; I Thessalonians 2:18; II Thessalonians 2:3-9; Revelation 19: 11-20; Matthew 24:41; Revelation 20:1-10)

So here we have a second God. And the first God – the “Supreme Ruler of heaven and earth”, supposedly – has no way to control the “killing, deceiving, hindering, tempting and accusing” of this second God.

How can anyone believe in one God and then state that there are two? How can the first God be a “Supreme Ruler” if he is unable to stop the second God?

What is an intelligent person to do with a group of people who openly proclaim such utter nonsense?

14 Responses to “What do intelligent people do with this level of delusion? Part 2”

  1. on 25 Feb 2011 at 7:36 am 1.Tigerboy said …

    Yahweh, Jesus, Satan, Virgin Mary, The Holy Spirit . . .

    YIKES! This monotheistic religion is just CHOCK FULL of deities!

  2. on 25 Feb 2011 at 9:47 pm 2.Lou said …

    If the devil is “chained in the bottomless pit during the 1000 year reign of Christ,” then how will he be “loosed for a season to assemble an army of sinners?” Who’s going to set him loose? Where is this bottomless pit? And if “He and his army will be defeated,” then it’s known he can be defeated, so why wasn’t this done before?

  3. on 26 Feb 2011 at 8:16 am 3.Severin said …

    It is interesting how this post does not attract theists!

    I did not expect it will!
    Because they have no answers and explanations to such idiocies:
    We have only one god, allmighty one, divided in three parts, but we also have an evil god, whom our 3-fold, allmighty god, is not able to control.
    Then we, of course, have some evil spirits (exsorcism), angels, saints, Mary…to which we ALSO pray….!

    What a mess!

  4. on 26 Feb 2011 at 6:40 pm 4.exrelayman said …

    Well, the cited statement of faith does not state God is “unable to control”. Of course, if a God were able to control Satan’s evil influence but chose not to, it doesn’t reflect favorable upon that God’s nature. Punt to ‘His ways are mysterious.’

    Also, since God is perfect, He has no ability to choose since He will always do the perfect thing.
    Does not compute, does not compute ……..

  5. on 26 Feb 2011 at 9:54 pm 5.TGHO said …

    Don’t forget all the saints, popes, icons, magic rituals, spells and so on.

  6. on 10 Mar 2011 at 6:13 am 6.Gabriel said …

    To all who read this, know that God is real. You ask for signs, but none will be given to you. Your hearts are hardened. This is why you are unable to believe. Has he not done nothing for you? Think long. You may not think prayer works, but I for one knows the power of prayer. I will pray for you. To you all The Lord says there is only one God, for He is a jealous God. Jesus or called (God incarnate) is a Son of God. God sent Jesus for man to have an example to follow. If Jesus was a liar, then why would he do all those things for those people in The Bible? Why would he show you how its done and tell you how its done, just to pull your leg? Do you think God would have put up with that? There is more at work than you can possibly understand. Than any of us can possibly understand. You lack the faith to understand how all this “mess, as you called it” works. You to can have the power to heal and perform miracles. Where is your love and compassion? Do you have faith in mankind? Do you have faith in yourselves? God resides in all of us. He is a part of us. God is love. A perfect love. Forgiveness is the best part. :) Can you forgive anyone who does harm to you? I have. I will also tell you it is not easy. When you do this, it is the influence of God. God is perfect exrelayman. He does have a choice. He is The Creator of all. He chose to make us. He also chooses to break us. Truth is, we have all done things to have God forsake us. I myself have denied God existed. I was in peril. My life at this moment, by worldly standards is poor my friends, but I have no enemies, thanks to God. The enemies that I have faced have fallen at my feet (metaphorically speaking), and I have shown them compassion and love. My enemies are my friends. I treat them as my brothers. In return I have no enemies. Maybe you all think that I am stuck in the same rut as all the other Christians in this world. lol I challenge you to be with God for one day. Think about him all day. Pray to him all day. Help others as if they are your brothers and sisters. Try to keep from sin when you do. Thank him for all the things you are able to do. You know there are those less fortunate. I ask just one day. Allow him to work in you for one day. Let Him show you what He can do for you, and others through you. If you think He can’t, then think of Peter. A murderer who was a disciple of Christ. If you have any questions, then E-mail me. motavo@yahoo.com. I will do my best to help and answer any questions you have. Thank you and may God bless you in every way possible. If it is the will of God ;-)

  7. on 10 Mar 2011 at 7:04 am 7.TGHO said …

    @6 Gabriel,

    Typical christian glurge. Seen it millions of times already.

    Please provide any actual, physical, scientifically verifiable evidence that your god/belief actually exists.

  8. on 19 Mar 2011 at 2:20 pm 8.sonofapreacherman said …

    The logic is much like a snake eating its own tail. Yum yum, munch munch. I grow because I eat, but I stay the same size because I am my own food. I am the alpha and the omega. I am long, but I stay short. I have a head and a tail, yet I have no beginning and no end for I am a continuous circle. I am always coming and going, for I am here and I am there. Riddle, diddle, hiss and piddle, the gas I pass inflates my middle.

  9. on 02 Apr 2011 at 7:51 pm 9.Dan said …

    “So here we have a second God. And the first God – the “Supreme Ruler of heaven and earth”, supposedly – has no way to control the “killing, deceiving, hindering, tempting and accusing” of this second God.”

    That conclusion doesn’t follow from the two quotes from the statement of faith.

    They say that Satan was created. Satan will be chained and loosed. Sounds to me like they believe Satan can be controlled.

    Whatever you believe, at least use some basic logic and be intellectually honest.

  10. on 02 Apr 2011 at 11:37 pm 10.James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil said …

    Gabriel is a typical delusional theist. He has renounced all rational thought, discarded truth, and denies the abundant evidence in favor if ignorance and willful stupidity.

    I’d feel sorry for him but he does it to himself. Is is any wonder that he, and others like him, receive nothing but derision and contempt from anyone capable of thinking for themselves?

  11. on 03 Apr 2011 at 8:49 am 11.Anonymous said …

    This website has turned into a religious hatred towards christianity, clearly satan has inspired you!

  12. on 03 Apr 2011 at 9:30 am 12.TGHO said …

    @11 Anonymous,

    *eye roll*

    Yeah sure. Can you even offer any evidence that the christian version of satan actually exists?

  13. on 29 Jan 2014 at 2:50 am 13.the messenger said …

    Thomas, you are insane. The trinity is about the 3 different forms of GOD, not 3 different GODs.

  14. on 29 Jan 2014 at 4:27 am 14.Angus and Alexis said …

    Messenger, Thomas was referring to how Satan is the second god, and yet how an omnipotent being cannot stop a weaker being.

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