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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 02 Feb 2011 12:16 am

Who Goes to Hell?

There was an article recently in newspapers across the country by Marc Gellman of the God Squad.

The God Squad: Who goes to hell?

In this article a grandfather asks the following question:

Yesterday, my little grandson told me he was terrified of going to hell…. Are we stuck forever with this infernal dogma that scares little children, or are theologians talking of changes?

Marc Gellman babbles on with a three page long answer that says nothing. Here is the real answer.

To the Grandfather: You are not stuck. The thing you need to tell your grandson is that Hell, and Heaven, and God, are all imaginary. You are voluntarily teaching your grandson a mythology that is all completely made up like any other fairy tale. Simply stop teaching that mythology and your grandson’s fears all go away.

Those fears, and the “infernal dogma” as you call it, will go away for you as well when you recognize the simple truth that God is imaginary. He is as imaginary as Rudolf and Frosty. As soon as you recognize this simple fact, you are set free from the insanity and delusion of religion. And so is your grandson.

Why, Mr. Grandfather, should you reject religion? Look at the insanity inside Marc Gellman’s own mind and understand how harmful his delusion is. From the article:

There’s one big problem with hell talk. While we can all agree that Hitler went to hell, what about the good people who don’t accept Jesus as their savior? This theological dispute has divided Christians and non-Christians for 2,000 years. Christian theologians are still divided about whether good non-Christians can go to heaven, or whether their refusal to accept the “good news” (Gospel) of Jesus’ atoning death and resurrection damns them to hell.

As a fairly decent non-Christian, I clearly have a vested interest in this debate but I also have a calm attitude about it. Heaven and hell are not places, but mysteries — mysteries that will be cleared up only after we die. I’m ready to wait for that theological resolution.

For now, I’m happy to hug my grandson, Zeke, and my granddaughter, Daisy, and tell them that when terrors come, “Everything will be all right. I love you. Good night.” That may not be enough for heaven, but it’s enough for me now. I pray that it will be enough for them and for your dear grandson.

Marc Gellman voluntarily believes in a being who tortures people eternally. Look at this ridiculous sentence: “Christian theologians are still divided about whether good non-Christians can go to heaven, or whether their refusal to accept the “good news” (Gospel) of Jesus’ atoning death and resurrection damns them to hell.” Chistians believe in a being, and they do not know who and who is not damned to Hell? And Marc Gellman is hedging by invoking the idea of “Christian theologians.” All Christian evangelicals know the answer with complete, rock solid, 110% absolute certainty: Marc Gellman, as a Jew, is unquestionably going straight to hell to be tortured forever. So Marc Gellman voluntarily beleives in a torturer who will eternally torture him and his children and his grandchildren over something as trivial as a belief. Only an insane person would choose to support – neigh, worship – such a heinous monster.

Mr. Grandfather – please do the right thing. Abandon your delusion. Enter the world of sane, rational people. Accept the truth: God is imaginary. This video will help:

15 Responses to “Who Goes to Hell?”

  1. on 03 Feb 2011 at 3:35 pm 1.Anti-Theist said …

    Child indoctrination into demographics such as Christianity, pedophilia, prostitution, the KKK is mental abuse and will soon become a criminal offense.

  2. on 03 Feb 2011 at 7:14 pm 2.Xenon said …

    We do like to make up stories to make our children feel better, right? Why not take it a step further. Death is forbidding for those who do not know what it will be like. Why don’t we tell our little grandson that people are not in fact dead, they are now sleeping. Spending eternity in the cold hard ground sounds rather grisly, I suppose but not much to look forward to in my estimation.
    Even better, guys like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin all get the same eternity you get my precious little grandson so whatever you do in life, don’t fret there is are no long-term repercussions.
    I prefer sincerity with my kids. It’s the best guiding principle. Yes, there is a hell but you don’t need to be concerned about going there since you have made Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. The price for heaven has been paid for by a God who loves you enough to make the required payment for your sin. Be careful of the false prophets, they tend not to focus on the positive but rather underscore the negative. It’s not you that must be concerned for the negative, only the scoffers and the belligerent. Pray for them daily. What a great lesson in love that would be for my grandson.

  3. on 04 Feb 2011 at 7:21 am 3.Tigerboy said …

    “The price for heaven has been paid for by a God who loves you enough to make the required payment for your sin.”

    Who set the price? God pays whom? Who is requiring payment? Who set up the payment schedule? The “required payment” is demanded BY God, yet he’s doing us a favor by paying it? (Or, sending us to be tortured in the ultimate debtor’s prison for not paying it?)

    What a great lesson in schizophrenic logic and divine bullying that would be for your grandson.

  4. on 04 Feb 2011 at 7:49 am 4.Severin said …

    2 Xenon
    “I prefer sincerity with my kids. It’s the best guiding principle. Yes, there is a hell but you don’t need to be concerned about going there since you have made Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. The price for heaven has been paid for by a God who loves you enough to make the required payment for your sin.“

    I pefered sincerity too.
    That is why I answered to children I was responsible for: I personally doubt there is a god, but I can’t prove it, so you find it if you have interest or are curious, but live your lives as that you have only this, short and limited life.
    My child, and another one I was responsible for when I was younger, were never threatened with hell, or bribed by promisses to go to heaven.
    They were not said someone will „save“ them if they do something wrong. They were thauht to be RESPONSIBLE themselves for their deeds, not to „lean“ to somebody they hoped to „save“ them whatever they do.
    Maybe it is enough to confess and to say some prayers to be pardoned by god or „saved“ by some Jesus, in some uncertain „eternal life“, I told them, but no one will pardon you on earth: if you do something wrong, YOU will feel the consequences of it, and instantly.
    You will probably feel bad in your hearts, if you do something wrong, AND will be punished by society without delay, by money penalty or jail. No appeal to god or Jesus will save you, as people you are living with, in a society, don’t like you doing bad things, same as you don’t like them to do bad things to you.
    They were answered that I doubt there is hell or heaven, that we are responsible OURSELVES for our deeds, and that there is law, police, courts and jails for those who are irresponsible and behave badly.
    My first and major suggestion to those children was: before you do something, you think whether would you like it to be done to you!

    That is what I call being sincere.

    They grew wonderfull people!

  5. on 04 Feb 2011 at 8:51 am 5.Severin said …

    2 Xenon
    “I prefer sincerity with my kids. It’s the best guiding principle.“

    Being sincere does not mean automatically being right
    Most muslims ARE sincere when doing terrible things.
    So, in your sincereness, you might direct a child wrong way.

    I visited my daughter 2 months ago (she is 31 now) and we talked her childhood.
    I was very proud when she told me she was thankfull to me because I never imposed my opinion to her, but taught her THINKING, MAKING DECISIONS, AND BEING RESPONSIBLE for what SHE was doing.

    Some 20 years ago I met another child (boy) I was responsible for when I married his mother, when he was 6, and we lived together till his 10 or 11.
    I was proud again to hear from him that he, after 35 years, still had in mind my approach to him: I let him to be a PERSON, to have HIS opinion, to ARGUE with me, to learn HOW TO THINK, not to take anything for granted.
    It left a great and very positive trace in his life, I was told.
    He is now 46 and is a wonderful man. A RESPONSIBLE one, in the first place.

    I know, of course, many such examples, but it is enough to look at statistics to prove me right:
    Not only that gods and Jesuses are NOT NECESSARY for a personality to be good; gods and Jesuses make young people confused and irresponsible.
    „Whatever I do god will forgive me (if I kneel, pray…TOO CHEAP a price to justify doing wrong!), and I will reach a nice eternal life…“ can not be a good guidance in anyone’s life!
    What with THIS life?

  6. on 04 Feb 2011 at 8:58 am 6.Severin said …

    Xenon
    “The price for heaven has been paid for by a God who loves you enough to make the required payment for your sin.”

    How does it sound in ears of someone having 6 or 10?

    Whatever I do, someone already PAID for my doing wrong, and I am not responsible!?

    IT IS A TERRIBLE WAY to make a child responsible.
    WRONG WAY!
    By saying a child such a thing you are making him/her irresponsible for his/her own life and his/her deeds!

  7. on 04 Feb 2011 at 9:23 am 7.Severin said …

    3 Triggerboy
    “Who set the price? God pays whom? Who is requiring payment? Who set up the payment schedule?”

    They NEVER answer such questions, haven’t you noticed it?
    They always avoid to answer what type of god (and, as I know, ONLY the Chrstian god belong to this type of gods) sacrifices himself to himself to please himself to do … something, not exactly known what… in fact: NOTHING!
    According to Bible, he made a performance, killed his son/himself as a sacrifice to himself and NOTHING CHANGED on earth.
    People CONTINUED living as they were living before!
    A clumsy, irresponsible god, who do not know what is he doing and WHY is he doing things, but is doing them the cruelest way imaginable.

    You will never get any comment to that, but do not give up: some child might read your comments and start THINKING.
    Thank you.

  8. on 04 Feb 2011 at 9:29 pm 8.Tigerboy said …

    Thank you, Severin.

    The fictional character (all-knowing, all-powerful God) that these people envision, immediately becomes illogical when they propose that He REQUIRES something of us. That He is DISAPPOINTED in us.

    In the “OmniMax God” scenario, every aspect of the Universe would be exactly as He wished it to be. Every last detail of the Universe would conform to His specifications. Our behavior would be exactly as he determined it.

    Even Satan, down to his most subtle character trait, would be EXACTLY as God wished him to be.

    The ENTIRE Universe, exactly as OmniMax God wants it.

    What are they suggesting, that Satan is a “free agent?” If Satan operates independently, then God does not control ALL.

    If Satan is operating contrary to God’s plan, God is not “OmniMax.”

    If OmniMax requires something, ANYTHING from us, He is not “perfect.”

    If OmniMax eternally exists in a state of “perfection,” why would He need to create imperfection? If He had that need, it wasn’t perfection.

    God NEEDING something from us, or being DISAPPOINTED in our behavior, is totally illogical. He stacked the deck. He even created the playing cards and designed the game!

    Saying that God granted us “free will” is a cop-out, too! ANY degree to which God allows others to self-determine, to operate contrary to His plan, means that God has lost that degree of control over the what happens in the Universe.

    “All-powerful” means exactly that. He controls everything.

    The only way that a lowly being could INDEPENDENTLY “rise to Paradise,” or “fall from Grace,” is if OmniMax DOES NOT control everything.

    When pious people define their fictional characters in these absolute terms, they create logical fallacies.

  9. on 04 Feb 2011 at 9:39 pm 9.Jackson said …

    “Be careful of the false prophets, they tend not to focus on the positive but rather underscore the negative.”

    Xenon that is the must truthful statement I have read on WWGHA. A just God requiring payment for man’s misdeeds is the exact parallel of our society but the intellectually superior can’t follow the logic! Quite amazing really.

    I never argue with the intellectually superior so good luck.

  10. on 05 Feb 2011 at 2:50 pm 10.Anti-Theist said …

    Whether your Hitler or the pope, Gandhi or Mussolini there is no biblical hell. Biblical hell is no more than a “boogie man;” used to intimidate, threaten, and terrify vulnerable children and stupid adults during Christianities indoctrination process. For we individuals, our actions during life have no bearing / consequence on our afterlife (which only consists of no longer existing.) There are no moral standards or human rights aside from what the society of mankind has fabricated. If you are starving and your body is digesting itself for energy and flies plague you, you are in hell. If you use your own instilled personal deity to wish for petty happenings, you’re in heaven.

  11. on 10 Feb 2011 at 8:55 pm 11.HAL 9000 said …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

  12. on 16 Feb 2011 at 12:44 pm 12.Vire70 said …

    Xenon -
    “Even better, guys like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin all get the same eternity you get my precious little grandson so whatever you do in life, don’t fret there is are no long-term repercussions.

    Yes, there is a hell but you don’t need to be concerned about going there… The price for heaven has been paid for by a God”

    What an absurd contradiction of your own logic. If telling kids that Hitler, Stalin, etc, won’t be punished despite their negative actions will make them irresponsible, then how is telling them that THEY will not be punished because Jesus has already forgiven them. It’s the exact same fucking thing.

    I am literally facepalming that you can’t grasp this; how does a human ever fall to that level of pure idiocy? It really does fill me with disgust that I must share society with people so fundamentally intellectually defunct.

  13. on 16 Feb 2011 at 3:25 pm 13.Burebista said …

    Vire70

    I am flabbergasted. Are you really this intellectually bankrupt? You cannot read that post and see that Xenon is contrasting the atheist worldview with a Christian worldview?

    You calling anyone intellectually defunct is utterly laughable.

  14. on 18 Feb 2011 at 5:52 am 14.Riteous1 said …

    Humble yourself before god
    He will right the wrongs
    He sees all

    Those will burn in hell that god sees fit

    That is the truth
    Truth is god

    God is eternal

    Get it through your head atheists…its not complicated

  15. on 20 Feb 2011 at 11:51 pm 15.Vire70 said …

    Burebista

    Yes, that is what I read. Only he did it in a totally ridiculous manner; by ignoring that one is not any better than the other, which is what I highlighted. I don’t see what your point is at all.

    Riteous1

    Save it. If we wanted to read bible verses we’d pick up a bible.

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