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Christianity Thomas on 17 Jan 2011 12:34 am

The utter embarrassment that is the Christian Bible

This short clip makes it clear how embarrassing the Bible is to any thinking adult:

The natural Christian reaction to this sort of situation is to say, “The Old Testament does not apply to me.” Which is of course ridiculous on several levels:

  1. It is supposedly the same “god” in the both the old and new testaments. If he is absurd in one, why “worship him” in the other?
  2. Christians will use the old testament when they choose to. They will quote the Ten Commandments or demand the death of gays, both from the old testament, and then a minute later claim the old testament does not apply
  3. The old testament is disgusting, yet Christians carry around a book that contains that disgusting material.

This video helps to understand how embarrassing and ridiculous the Bible is:

50 Responses to “The utter embarrassment that is the Christian Bible”

  1. on 17 Jan 2011 at 2:48 am 1.Horatio said …

    The video shows me that television is not real life. LOL, it is West Wing and this video has been floating around for years! If He wants to impress me, He would challenge God, not the woman! LOL

    Easy answer here. Yes God judged many evil people groups in the OT. Yep, He is God He gives life and he is the only one with the right to take it. That is the difference between God and man. When you refuse to listen and refuse the grace and mercy to repent, God eventually will judge your sin.

    I know atheist don’t like God, but PTL He reigns sovereign, He has paved the way to salvation and one day His judgment will fall again. The warning is there.

    If you don’t like this God, take it with Him. Spitting in the face of the God because of your arrogance and self-righteousness is just simply foolish.

  2. on 17 Jan 2011 at 4:14 am 2.Jeez said …

    Yep, He is God He gives life and he is the only one with the right to take it.

    Yet strangely your God commands MEN to kill other men in the Bible. And for the strangest, trivial things, like working on the wrong day of the week. Why doesn’t your God do the killing himself if your quote is true?

    I Know I Know – it’s because your God is imaginary!

  3. on 17 Jan 2011 at 4:50 am 3.Anonymous said …

    2.Jeez said …

    If you even read the Bible and were a Christian you would know that Christians follow a new covenant not the Old one. When Jesus died on the cross the law that was given unto Moses was abolished and a new law was given. God did have men kill other men because of the old law but now as Christian we are saved through Grace and not of the old law. Just like the person before you said ” He gives life and he is the only one with the right to take it.” All these videos are just retarded and pointless.

    If only more people had respect in this world we would be better. Yes that includes Christians and every other person out there.

  4. on 17 Jan 2011 at 3:41 pm 4.JohnnyP said …

    RE: #1

    “The video shows me that television is not real life.”

    Uh…So the writers just made up the scriptural quotes?

  5. on 18 Jan 2011 at 3:52 pm 5.BrianE said …

    Anonymous @ #3

    It amazes me, and other atheists, that Christians continue to be OK with the HUMAN SACRIFICE that was necessary to finally satiate this insane god of yours. You wouldn’t be making this silly argument if you read the content of this website. Do some reading before posting again.

  6. on 19 Jan 2011 at 4:35 am 6.Anonymous said …

    herp a derp anon

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”

    (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

  7. on 19 Jan 2011 at 7:49 am 7.Severin said …

    1 Horatio
    “When you refuse to listen and refuse the grace and mercy to repent, God eventually will judge your sin.“

    So you, as a good Christian, you obviously DO obey god’s words!
    If you don’t, god will eventually judge your sins (and you know how!).
    The examples from this video are direct god’s COMMANDS, not his RECCOMENDATIONS („you may do it, but not necessarily“). They are OBLIGATORY!

    How many homosexuals did you kill? How many people working on „sabbath“?
    None?
    WHY?
    Is the idea of killing someone repulsive to you?
    Are you living following the standards that are AGAINST god’s will?
    if you dont obey god’s commands by killing gays, you OBVIOUSLY DO disobey god’s will, and very directly. You DEFY your god! You MOCK him!

    How DARE YOU?
    By not doing what god directly orders, you give the others „bad“ example how to disobey god!
    You are giving us a good example HOW AND WHY NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!
    Why would we believe in a god YOU, a DECLARED THEIST, don’t obey?

    Or maybe you worship some other, non-biblical god?
    Or, maybe you DO NOT TRUST everything your god says?!
    What IS it you are doing, Horatio?

  8. on 19 Jan 2011 at 7:55 am 8.Severin said …

    1 Horatio
    “I know atheist don’t like God,…”

    Wrong!
    We don’t BELIEVE god exists!

    As we can see, YOU don’t, too, you just are not ready to say it.

  9. on 19 Jan 2011 at 8:43 pm 9.Rostam said …

    I thought atheism was the new “PC” version of a “lack of belief”. Severin you need to get with your atheists brothers and decide what atheism really dictates.

    Of course that point is moot. You really are not an atheist in my book. You don’t like how God operates and you simply reject His sovereignty. Its common in families I have seen enough of your tirades to see the common thread.

    Atheist are see themselves as logical, aloof and unemotional regarding a deity. They tend to be racist since they rarely include the African American.

  10. on 20 Jan 2011 at 8:28 am 10.Severin said …

    9 Rostam
    “Atheist are see themselves as logical, aloof and unemotional regarding a deity.”

    Wrong!
    I admit that I felt emotions to god when I was 8 or 9. After I read the big flood story and the story of Abraham and Isaac, I DID feel emotion, and it was HATE.
    Having a great imagination, I put myself on place of drowning babies and on place of bond Isaac, waitng his father to sloughter him, and said to myself: that CAN NOT BE! I was told god loves people!
    I cried, imagining the pains of drowning babies and the fear of poor Isaac, and put myself on place of Abraham, throwing the knife away, in my imagination, spitting on god and telling him: TAKE ME, you monster, not my son!
    Yes, it was THEN, when I still believed there was something like god, somewhere (but I was about 8 or 9!)!

    Today I DO feel unemtional regarding a deity, because I don’t believe there is any. How can I feel emotions about something that I do not believe it exists?
    I do NOT feel unemotional seing what religions are able to do to people.

  11. on 20 Jan 2011 at 1:09 pm 11.Ben said …

    Rostam lack of belief is the same thing as no belief. They will spin it differently of course. Anti-Theist name is more accurate.

    It is a crusade against religion much as the USSR made their atheist utopia a crusade against religion as they gabbed power. A “lack of belief” is an attempt to portray themselves as “open” to religion but that is not the case for the hardcore.

    My life is serving God and I know many atheist would like to put a stop to my way of life. Imagine, I have never been asked to murder, malign or torture anyone. Hopefully history has taught us a lesson regarding atheism.

  12. on 20 Jan 2011 at 4:01 pm 12.Anti-Theist said …

    #9

    “Atheist are see themselves as logical, aloof and unemotional regarding a deity. They tend to be racist since they rarely include the African American.”

    Just when I think theists cant spew more ignorance than before, Rostam puts forth the garbage quoted above. This fear induced hysteria surly come from an ape who believes in the curse of Ham / Canaan. Look around bigots, atheist come in all colors, ages, and demographics.

  13. on 20 Jan 2011 at 4:17 pm 13.Anti-Theist said …

    #11

    Ben: Watching you thank your god is no different than watching an infant playing with dolls; atheist couldn’t care less about what you do as long as Its private. Private does not include passing laws that force your supernatural beliefs onto others. Evangelicals are assailants in this respect and should learn that plugging their ears and la la la-ing doesn’t change that fact.

  14. on 20 Jan 2011 at 4:18 pm 14.Boz said …

    Thats true, don’t forget the atheist groups of Buddhist, Jains, Taois. Atheist are white non-hispanic or Asian(see above)with very few black members.

    I don’t think its racist. African Americans and Latinos are much more aware.

  15. on 20 Jan 2011 at 9:17 pm 15.Severin said …

    9 Rostam
    “Severin you need to get with your atheists brothers and decide what atheism really dictates.”

    Thank you, we decided long ago to be atheists.

    definition of the term is clear, wherever you look:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
    Definition of ATHEISM
    1
    archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
    2
    a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
    Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. etc.

    I don’t need to think up new definitions and I don’t think you are able to.

    Disbelieve, lack of believe, non-believing in god, who cares?
    Why should I care about me in your book?

  16. on 20 Jan 2011 at 9:28 pm 16.Severin said …

    11 Ben
    “Rostam lack of belief is the same thing as no belief.”

    Thank you, Ben! I think you are right!

    “My life is serving God and I know many atheist would like to put a stop to my way of life.”
    Don’t think about yourself as of being SO important!

    No one wants to “stop” your way of life, don’t see a conspiracy behind each corner!
    This, here, is ONLY a DEBATE of free thinking, open minded people, that might have different opinions about different things, and are exchanging their opinions.
    If you don’t like it, you are free to leave, no one forces you to read this blog and to contribute to it with your writings.

  17. on 20 Jan 2011 at 9:45 pm 17.Severin said …

    11 Ben
    “Imagine, I have never been asked to murder, malign or torture anyone.”

    Right! You have never been ASKED, you have been ORDERED, directly from your god!

    What religion do you belong? Christianity?
    Ever read the Bible?

    Need some examples of god’s direct orders to you, personally, to kill, or enable killing?

    So, if you don’t kill, you disobey direct god’s orders, and you will go to burn in hell for eternity!

  18. on 20 Jan 2011 at 10:05 pm 18.Boz said …

    Ant-Acid,

    Did you see Sev’s definition of atheism? Its not a lack of belief, it is not believing in a God. I hope you will now accept this definition since Sev has clearly laid it out.

    Christians are ordered Sev? Huh, I wonder why none of them agree with you? Could it be your are wrong?

  19. on 21 Jan 2011 at 5:42 pm 19.Severin said …

    18 Boz
    “Did you see Sev’s definition of atheism?”

    Not MY definition! I copied them from 2 sources:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
    and
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

    What is the problem?

  20. on 21 Jan 2011 at 6:48 pm 20.Severin said …

    18 Boz
    “Christians are ordered Sev?”

    Yes, Boz:
    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13)

    …Anyone who desecrates it (Sabbath) must die;…( Exodus 31:12-15)

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death…(Deuteronomy 17:12)

    You should not let a sorceress live.(Exodus 22:17)

    If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13)

    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27)

    If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20)
    All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

    But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)

    Etc, etc, etc…
    These are, obviously, COMMANDS. No „ifs“, no“I kindly ask…“ or „I expect…“, only „shall“ and „must“!

    What a Christian are you?
    a) You don’t know the Bible
    b) You don’t obey the Bible

  21. on 21 Jan 2011 at 8:09 pm 21.Boz said …

    Severin I’m sorry I didn’t see where I was commanded to do these things. Could you elaborate? Didn’t even see a command to murder in the list??

  22. on 21 Jan 2011 at 11:01 pm 22.Severin said …

    21 Boz,

    Are you blind, or pretending the cited verses do not apply on you?
    I understood that god’s orders apply to Christians, not to Muslims.

    Are you a Christian?
    Why don’t you obey god’s word?

  23. on 23 Jan 2011 at 11:26 pm 23.Boz said …

    Sev

    Where am I commanded to murder? Sorry, I just don’t see it. If this were true, don’t you think someone would from the Christian faith would bring this to light?

  24. on 24 Jan 2011 at 6:38 am 24.Severin said …

    23 Boz
    “Where am I commanded to murder?”
    I did not say “murder”, I said “kill”.

    Uou have examples in #20, and much more in the Bible.
    Your book, your god, who else is obligate to obey god’s word?

  25. on 24 Jan 2011 at 12:12 pm 25.Boz said …

    “I did not say “murder”, I said “kill”.”

    Wrong, see #20 to Ben.

    Again, where an I asked to kill (since you changed the word) for these things you listed.

  26. on 25 Jan 2011 at 7:11 am 26.Severin said …

    25 Boz
    ““I did not say “murder”, I said “kill”.””

    So, Boz, lies again, to turn our attention to “side problems”, to avoid answering questions YOU posed (“Christians are ordered, Sev?”)!

    I did NOT say “murder”, but it is NOT important for debate!

    Your god DID order killings, and you do NOT obey his commands!
    If you don’t take your god seriously, what the hell do you expect from us?

  27. on 25 Jan 2011 at 12:19 pm 27.Ben said …

    Severin, you are a mess. Ben stated clearly in #17

    “Imagine, I have never been asked to murder, malign or torture anyone.”

    You stated:
    “Right! You have never been ASKED, you have been ORDERED, directly from your god!”

    What so you now?

    One more time. Where am I asked to do this? I don’t see it. No other Christian believes so either so why are you the lone wolf?

  28. on 25 Jan 2011 at 1:39 pm 28.Severin said …

    27. Ben

    I never said “murder”, but (again), some of you theists tricked me by twisting my words.

    So, Ben, your god never ordered you to “murder”, but he obviously ordered you to kill people for different “sins” they do against him (see Bible).

    Why don’t you kill (“put to death”) people according to his orders?

  29. on 25 Jan 2011 at 4:10 pm 29.Boz said …

    Severin it is clear in #17 you clearly state that Ben is ordered to murder. Stand behind your accusations or don’t make them. Nobody twisted your words, it is in black and white.

    You don’t stop to actually read and you end up with your foot in mouth. Stop with the “tricked” excuses.

    I admit I don’t see it. Maybe you could explain this book of Leviticus to use and claim how we are commanded to kill (or murder depending on your new accusation).

    Here in the US we kill people on death row often and we kill babies for being an inconvenience. This is ordered by men but never to me.

  30. on 26 Jan 2011 at 2:16 pm 30.Severin said …

    27 Boz
    “I admit I don’t see it.“

    Then please look better:
    „But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. “

    Is this a verse from the Bible?
    It is.
    Does it order killing?
    It does.
    Is the Bible the word of god?
    Not for me, but I guess it IS for Christian theists.
    Are Christians obligate to obey god’s words?
    I was told by Christians (AND it is written in the Bible!) that Christians ARE obligate to obey god’s words.

    I am confused!
    Your explanation would be highly appreciated.

  31. on 27 Jan 2011 at 2:43 am 31.Boz said …

    Severin where does this passage tell ME to kill?

    There are also passages on building the Tabernacle. DO you believe all Christians are to build a Tabernacle?

    At least you aren’t calling for murder.

    Brace yourself, here in the US we still kill.

  32. on 27 Jan 2011 at 8:20 am 32.Severin said …

    31 Boz
    “Severin where does this passage tell ME to kill?”

    Where are the passages in the Bible telling YOU anything?
    I never saw any „to Boz“ passages in the book.

    How do you know, then, that Bible is saying ANYTHING to you?
    What are the methods (criterions) YOU use to make your decision on which verses are addressed to you, which ones you have to obey, which ones are “the truth” and which ones are bullshits?
    What is the Bible for you? A book you pick through and accept and obey verses you like, and throw away the verses you dislike?
    You read the book, and say: that (something) is BS, that (something) is not for ME, but, oh yes, THAT (something) is THE TRUTH, and I will accept it!

    Enlighten us, Boz: HOW do you make your decisions of what from the Bible IS for you and what is NOT for you?

    Am I free to do the same? To pick from the Bible what I please?

    Or, if there are some rules, where can I find them? Where to buy a „User friendly instructions handbook for Bible“?

  33. on 27 Jan 2011 at 3:02 pm 33.Boz said …

    Severin calm down and be rational. You didn’t answer any of my questions so lets try this.

    What do you know about the book of Leviticus?

    To know which passages apply to Boz and which do not we must know to who the book was written to, the purpose and the culture. It is much like reading any document. Do you understand how that is done Severin?

    Much like the laws of your land do not apply to me in the US. They apply to you. If you were to read the laws of your land with no context, knowledge of author or purpose would you then expect me to follow them?

    The Bible consist of HISTORY, Prophecy, Poetical books, law, Gospels and Wisdom. Take another look and let me know where Boz is commanded to kill.

  34. on 27 Jan 2011 at 5:23 pm 34.Anti-Theist said …

    Those capable of believing in silliness, need only silliness to defend their beliefs. If the actions of those who yell at pigeons is all I have to assess their characters by, then I must deduce that they enjoy fruitless screaming or that they are bored and have no inner playground in which to ponder things more interesting than silly beliefs.

  35. on 27 Jan 2011 at 10:29 pm 35.Severin said …

    33 Boz
    „To know which passages apply to Boz and which do not we must know to who the book was written to, the purpose and the culture.“

    So, Boz, to WHO was the book written to, WHAT is its purpose, and, especially, what CULTURE is it addressing to?

    Information I have, in short:
    Ancient JEWS wrote Leviticus for other ancient JEWS. It is a collection of ancient Jewish laws and customs, written long before any Christian ever appeared on earth.

    WHAT is a collection of ancient Jewish laws and customs doing in Christian Bible, I would not know, BUT IT IS THERE, and is said to be THE WORD OF (Christian) GOD!
    One would expect of people who take the Bible as god’s word, to have some more respect for what he had to say, but if you say it does not apply to you, I am O.K. with that. I do not complain!

    But, HOW DO YOU KNOW Leviticus does not apply on you?
    WHAT parts of the Bible DO apply to you, Boz?
    Or to me?
    And, HOW DO YOU KNOW which parts of the Bible do, and which ones do not apply on you (me)?

    If I decided to take the Bible as my guidance, HOW would I recognize which parts of the Bible are applied to me (for example: which rules to obey to avoid sins), and which ones to consider bullshits?

    THAT is the KEY QUESTION, and I would appreciate someone to enlighten me about that question.

  36. on 28 Jan 2011 at 2:09 am 36.Boz said …

    “WHAT is a collection of ancient Jewish laws and customs doing in Christian Bible,”

    Bingo! Its called Jewish history. You have made a substantial break through. Its not the only book of history. There are many.

    “HOW would I recognize which parts of the Bible are applied to me”

    It all depends how much time you would be willing to put in to the effort. Well?

  37. on 28 Jan 2011 at 8:18 am 37.Severin said …

    36 Boz
    “Bingo! Its called Jewish history.“

    Thank you, Boz!
    Untill now we learned from you:
    a) Leviticus is NOT applied to you . You are NOT obligate to accept and to obey laws from Leviticus. Leviticus tells you NOTHING you could use in your life.
    b) Leviticus is JEWISH history.

    You did not tell us HOW did you conclude Leviticus does not apply to yoy?
    Is it something in your MIND that tells you Leviticus is not applicable to modern Christians/Jews, OR was it written somewhere explicitly, something like: „DO NOT use Leviticus as your moral guidance, as absolute truth, do not use it for ANYTHING, it is only here to teach you Jewish history“?
    WHY would Christians learn Jewish history, and WHY would they learn it from THEIR (Christian) holy book, is another misty question.

    Whatever: you told us that there is a pretty big part of the Bible that is IRRELEVANT. Inapplicable in lives of Christians!
    In short: BULLSHIT.
    It means NOTHING. It is NOT god’s word (but Jewish history!).

    Now teach us how to recognize the parts of the Bible that ARE relevant.

    How can I recognize „absolute truth“ and „absolute morality“ and „moral guidelines“ for my life, in the Bible?

    How to avoid to suspect that, if a part of the Bible is NOTHING, the WHOLE Bible is not just a big BS?

    Methods? Criterions? I do not want to make mistakes!

  38. on 28 Jan 2011 at 2:35 pm 38.Boz said …

    You are getting all worked up. Settle down and be calm. I’m willing to help.

    First, how much time are you willing to invest an an answer?

  39. on 28 Jan 2011 at 3:18 pm 39.Anti-Theist said …

    The bible is no more embarrassing than Dr. Seuss’s “Hop On Pop.” Any humiliation experienced by Atheists is attributed to our being grouped with the sincere followers of said literary fiction. I am embarrassed that other westernized cultures see Americans as tongues speaking weak minded dilutionists, horney to the thought of Armageddon like some jihadist happily strapped with explosives. We cannot be given our full due appreciation and exist as the target of jokes told by our civilized peers simultaneously.

  40. on 28 Jan 2011 at 7:41 pm 40.Severin said …

    38 Boz
    “I’m willing to help.”

    Yes, Boz, thank you, it seems that I do need help in understanding Bible.
    It is a total mess for me.

    But it is obvious that you need help, too.
    You are unable to explain your own claims:

    You claimed Leviticus does not apply to you, but you are not able to tell us WHY is it so.
    How did you KNOW that Leviticus is not for you?
    If the Bible is the word of God, and it contains Jewish history which is not applicable to Christians, HOW do you recognize God’s babbling (unapplicable to you and me) from god’s words (applicable, moreover: OBLIGATE to you and me)?
    Are yo able to recognize which verses DO apply to you?
    How would a new Christian distinguish the BS Leviticus (God’s babbling, unapplicable to people, NOTHING IMPORTANT) from the verses he/she is OBLIGATE to accept, follow and obey?
    Are there such verses in the Bible at all?
    WHICH verses DO apply to you (and me), Boz?
    Why?

    Don’t be selfish, tell us!
    I have all the time I need and am very patient.

  41. on 28 Jan 2011 at 8:42 pm 41.Boz said …

    Ok, I will take you at your word. If you blow it off, I know you were closed minded from the start.

    http://www.amazon.com/Hermeneutical-Spiral-Comprehensive-Introduction-Interpretation/dp/0830812881/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3

    Great book with all you need to know on authorship, audience, cultural, purpose and interpretation of all the canonical books.

  42. on 29 Jan 2011 at 7:38 am 42.Severin said …

    41 Boz
    From the book you suggested me to read:
    “Hermeneutics as a dicipline demands a complex interpretive process in order to uncover the original clarity of Scripture.”

    So THAT is the way to understand the Bible?
    Spend your life in reading “manuals” that explain god’s words!

    Did god expect all Christians to spend half of their lives in reading books in order to understand his words?
    Couldn’t he do it in a little bit less complex way?
    What with people who can’t read?
    What with people who can only recognize the letters and words, but are not eductaed enough to understand whatt they read?

    What with people who can both read and understand, but do not TRUST other people who interpret Bible?
    Why would one trust some hermeneuticians and not trust his own eyes and mind? Or other educated people interpreting Bible their way?

    Very complicated, very unnecessary!
    I would expect from such an important book (the Bible) to be more than clear to anyone who can read (or listen).

    Am I free to use some OTHER interpretations of the Bible to pick for myself what to accept/obey from the Bible and what not?
    WHY can’t I (literate, educated) use my own logic to interpret Bible?
    Is hermeneutics also god’s word, or what?

    Iwill say: thank you, anyway, but Bible is NOT for me!

  43. on 29 Jan 2011 at 1:50 pm 43.Clausewitz said …

    How much time did you spend learning your trade?

    How much time do you spend improving you trade?

    How many hours a day did you spend supporting a family?

    If one “Loves God with all your heart strength and mind” He will he will spend a life time in His Word.

  44. on 30 Jan 2011 at 8:02 am 44.Severin said …

    43 Clausewitz
    “If one “Loves God with all your heart strength and mind” He will he will spend a life time in His Word.”

    Probably so for ones who love god. Not applicable to ones who do not believe there is god. You can not love something/somebody you don’t believe he/she/it exists.

    But, as we saw (Boz), the problem is in recognizing what from the Bible is “his word” and what is not.
    Which of “his words” apply on people, and people are obligate to accept and obey them, and which are only bullshits put in the Bible for who know what reasons (like Jewish history, laws and customs).

    Atheists have no such problems. They don’t spend their lives in trying to distinguish between god’s words and god’s babbling.
    They believe that such a noble creature, if exsisted, would do something better than that, so Bible must have been written by someone else but god. In which case it is NOTHING.

  45. on 30 Jan 2011 at 1:29 pm 45.Boz said …

    severin,

    I knew you were not open to the Bible but yet you continue to insist you are unclear on how to read it????????? As many times as I have read you long tirades you seem to have many problems with God.

    If this is true you are not open, why do you keep asking? When given your lack of the basic skills of reading comprehension (especially ancient documents)you reply with no thanks?????

    The problems you bring up with Leviticus are really quite elementary, hermeneutics deals with things much more complex such as the so called dating inconsistencies in I&II Kings and such. I realize the atheist blogs float around the same verses so I understand.

    You asked so I obliged, this time. The fact you have never been regenerated also aids in you lack of understanding. The Bible is clear the unregenerate mind cannot comprehend the things of God so I was limited on what I could provide.

  46. on 30 Jan 2011 at 6:40 pm 46.Severin said …

    45 Boz
    „The problems you bring up with Leviticus are really quite elementary, hermeneutics…“

    So, why did you involve hermeneutics, if Leviticus is the elementary problem?
    Maybe beacuse the problem is elementary, but the SOLUTION is not?!
    Like perpetuum mobile!
    Simple problem, no soultion!

    I am not malicious, Boz, only VERY curious, and I posed very simple questions, because I like clear and understandable answers:
    What is Jewish history doing in the Bible?
    WHY is it there?
    WHICH Biblical verses represent „absolute truth“, „absolute morality“, something we have to accept, follow and obey?
    How to distinguish them from babbling irrelevant for Christians, unapplicable to you and me, like Leviticus?

    Can’t be simpler!

  47. on 30 Jan 2011 at 10:01 pm 47.Boz said …

    Yes, but I must start where one is not where he wants to be. Buy the book. Nobody can help one who has no desire to learn. If you don’t desire to know, don’t ask.

    I’m not malicious either. But you need to start at ground zero.

  48. on 31 Jan 2011 at 8:13 am 48.Severin said …

    47 Boz
    In short: you can’t answer my simple questions.

    If we extract your posts, all what you said was:
    Bible is simple and complicated, it is a combination of „gods word“ and useless babblings that do not apply to anyone.
    It is full of verses we know nothing about their purpose.
    We do not know which verses to neglect and which ones to accept, to follow and to obey.
    Bible is for Christians the source of „absolute truth“ and „absolute morality“, but we are not able to say or to show to others, which parts of it represent „absolute truth“ and „absolute morality“.

    If Bible represented some unsignifcant book, a history book, or an ancient novel, it would be O.K. Who cares about Odyssey, for example, its reliability, wether it (the Odyssey) is or is not relevant, does it represent the „truth“ or not.
    But the Bible is the book millions take as their life guidance!

    Isn’t it dangerous to use such an untidy book, the book you can’t explain, you can’t distinguish what is it REALLY saying to you, as a life guidance?

    I would never do such a dangerous thing.

  49. on 18 Feb 2011 at 4:19 am 49.BJE said …

    Boz, may i start off by saying….

    Your beliefs are just as hilarious as what mormons believe……

    Its people like you that are slowing the progress of humans.

    I do admit that guys voice in the youtube video of DELUSION is annoying.

    He does however bring up many good points.

    I AM GOD!!!!!

    Boz, I am the holiest of holy…….prove me wrong…….oh wait u cant

    Anyone claiming to be god or hearing god or touching god is spewing rubbish that only super chumps with a brain fit for brainwashing believe.

    I do not believe in a talking snake
    I do not believe in slavery
    I do not believe in an ark made out of wood holding millions of species floating in more water than the earth has….
    I do not believe in a christian god that is obviously false

    IF THERE IS A GOD, HE WOULD NOT BE LIKE THIS “CHRISTIAN GOD”

  50. on 18 Feb 2011 at 4:22 am 50.BJE said …

    hahahahahhahah that girl in the west wing just got owned

    the TV show is make believe (just like the christian god…hmmm interesting)
    but still funny as hell

    I laugh at the thought of a god creating faults in us and then banishing us
    into an abyss of fire for eternity with a thing with horns and goat feel and a tail you call the devil

    CHRISTIANITY=PROPAGANDA haha so true

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