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Christianity &Science Thomas on 06 Jan 2011 12:56 am

A fifth column of insanity

This is a Christian named Frank Schaeffer speaking:

The Mainstream culture does not take stock of the fact that we have within our culture a subculture which is literally a fifth column of insanity, which is bred from birth, through home school, Christian school, evangelical college, whatever, to reject facts as a matter of faith.

“Can Christianity be rescued from Christians?”

What is a fifth column? A Fifth column is “a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group such as a nation from within, to help an external enemy.”

16 Responses to “A fifth column of insanity”

  1. on 06 Jan 2011 at 9:00 pm 1.Anti-Theist said …

    This is why the U.S. has in its resume, next to land of the free and home of the brave, the description of “laughing stock” amongst other westernized, civilized societies. The percentage of people who believe that the bible is a literal representation of historical events is embarrassing for those in this country who are interested in global relations.

  2. on 08 Jan 2011 at 12:26 am 2.Tigerboy said …

    Unfortunately, the “village idiot” (who is “standing on the hillside waiting for the end”) has a backpack full of anthrax and nuclear weaponry. We must find a way, in our national discourse, not merely to “move past” the idiots, but to actually criticize them, to point out their foolishness, and to acknowledge that they are a very real and destabilizing danger to us all.

    Having a significant part of the electorate waiting with baited breath for a mushroom cloud over the Middle East (because it means Jesus is on his way!) does nothing but make the mushroom cloud into a much more likely scenario.

    Religious certainty is antithetical to peaceful coexistence.

    The advent of weapons of mass destruction makes it imperative that we, as a society, recognize the foolhardiness of religion. This is not just a matter of respecting cultural differences. A civilization-ending holy war may be much closer than we think.

  3. on 08 Jan 2011 at 2:43 am 3.Dutch said …

    “We must find a way, in our national discourse, not merely to “move past” the idiots, but to actually criticize them”

    I agree Tigerboy. To not believe in God is to court atheism, a position that Scripture does not seek to engage in discussion. It is merely mentioned and dismissed, for debate and dialogue are not the Biblical methods of confronting the atheist. Twice the Scriptures simply and profoundly assert: “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Ps. 14:1). This fool is not an intellectual fool but a moral fool, not a person with mental problems but one who displays moral foolishness because of the corruption of his nature. This fool is not one who cannot reason, but one who reasons wrongly.

    It is not that the man does not know but that he rejects obvious knowledge, a rejection anchored in the depravity of his own heart. Deliberately and maliciously the atheist says: “No God”; deliberately and unhesitatingly God responds: “Fool!” In response to atheism and to all other intellectual positions of skepticism and doubt, the Christian theist, by faith, boldly and confidently proclaims: “God is!”

  4. on 08 Jan 2011 at 9:53 am 4.Tigerboy said …

    You so desperately wish to believe in this supernatural being for which there is not one scrap of concrete evidence. Yet, you call me a fool. Sad.

    I suspect you have no problem with the atheist position with regards to the Hindu deity Ganesh.

    Think of the millions and millions who would say to you: “Fool! Ganesh is!”

  5. on 09 Jan 2011 at 3:17 am 5.Brenda said …

    Wow! I have just watched the video and read the scientific evidence that God does not answer prayer the same as a jug of milk does not answer prayer. A jug of milk cannot answer a prayer. You present a good argument. I challenge you to think about this: I would rather live my life believing in God and prayer and when I die, find out that I was wrong than to live my life not believing and not praying and when I die, find out I was wrong. Anyone who tries to disprove God and the power of prayer must be afraid of God and the power of prayer. Seems to me that this whole movement is brought on by fear, ignorance, and an ego of of superiority over everything else. Just as you present evidence of the “illusion” of prayer, prayer also presents evidence of it’s own. However, to recognize the evidence prayer presents, one must put aside fear and ignorance.

  6. on 09 Jan 2011 at 7:40 am 6.Severin said …

    3 Dutch
    “To not believe in God is to court atheism, a position that Scripture does not seek to engage in discussion. It is merely mentioned and dismissed, for debate and dialogue are not the Biblical methods of confronting the atheist.”

    Why do you think „a position of scripture“ is something I (we) should care about? Because you say so?
    Why do you think I should care about what is written in the old, illogical, inconsistent and insane book from bronze age?
    Why do you think the words of an insane „being“ described in the book, calling me a fool because I do not give a damn for what he raves there, are in center of my inetrest, and more: something I should obey and follow?

    I obey and follow Laws.
    I follow and obey my „built in“ sense of morality which tells me how to live a decent, responsible and joful life that is not, and will never be directed to mushroom clouds, or to any other form of violence.

    If you expect me/us to obey and follow Scripture, someone HAS to explain to me/us: why NOT Kuran?
    Do you have some answers?
    WHY is Scripture better, more reliable, more „moral“, better guidance for life, than Kuran?

  7. on 09 Jan 2011 at 8:12 am 7.Severin said …

    5 Brenda
    „I challenge you to think about this: I would rather live my life believing in God and prayer and when I die, find out that I was wrong than to live my life not believing and not praying and when I die, find out I was wrong. Anyone who tries to disprove God and the power of prayer must be afraid of God and the power of prayer.“

    We were chalenged many times with that. It is called „Pascal’s weger“ and is some 350 years old.

    My „phylosophy“ is: I am NOT going to believe bullshits written in the Bible or in any other religious book (Kuran…), to „please“ some insane „being“ that THREATENS me with going to hell if I do not recognize him. I will live my life decently, resposibly and joyfully without any FEAR, and let god’s job to be done by gods, IF they exist.
    It is NOT my concern what some lunatic god is ready to do to me ONLY because HE did not give me relevant information about his existance .
    HOW, the hell, can I make RATIONAL chioce among so many gods? By reading and “following” – WHAT? Bible? Kuran? Stone writings about Quetzalcoatl? Polynesian legends? Chinese religion books?

    Of course I do NOT believe any god(s) exist, but if they do, and if they are SO evil to punish me by „eternal torturing“ just because I did not believe they exist (ad it was THEIR fault!), so be it.

    I do not like to be threatened, I do not like to live in fear, and I don’t.

    You may call it „Severin’s weger“.

  8. on 09 Jan 2011 at 2:57 pm 8.Anti-Theist said …

    Your statement “However, to recognize the evidence prayer presents, one must put aside fear and ignorance” is intended to induce offence; these bigotry laden opinions you and your peers entertain expose your arrogance. If it has been seen who goes to heaven / hell and if there can be no rebuttal to gods visions of times to come then aren’t you just antagonizing the dammed? I am quite comfortable in my skin knowing through self contemplation what my intents are when speaking to others. You should practice this same self scrutinisation lest when you expire, you neighbor we atheists in the land of the wicked.

  9. on 09 Jan 2011 at 4:14 pm 9.Brenda said …

    Arrogance is to belive that you can live your life without a belief in anything bigger than yourself.

  10. on 09 Jan 2011 at 4:27 pm 10.Anti-Theist said …

    Another swing at the condemned by the saved righteous; maybe in heaven your job will be to jab pigs trapped in cages with golden twigs. Would that bring you the same joy you get looking down your nose at us, judging as you do?

  11. on 12 Jan 2011 at 9:47 am 11.Brenda said …

    Seems to me that Christians (or any belief in a higher being) are not the ones doing the judging. We are not the ones condeming an evil God. Our Country, the USA, was founded on religious freedom. You have every right to not believe, but why do you call yourself “the condemned” and believers “the saved righteous?” Could there be a thread of belief somewhere in your thinking? We should all just live in peace and allow to each his or her own way of thinking. Christianity teaches us to love our neighbor. I’m secure in my belief. It gives me hope. Where does the atheist hope come from? And, here is the big question, why do you consider the atheist as the “damned?”

  12. on 12 Jan 2011 at 5:27 pm 12.Xenon said …

    Brenda,

    Great point. When you point out to atheist what God’s Word clearly states, they like to attack the messenger. My personal philosophy is they know deep insider there is a God. They prefer not to take Him on is debate. That would be the ultimate foolishness.

  13. on 12 Jan 2011 at 5:57 pm 13.Me said …

    Brenda – you say you would rather “believe” and then die and find there is a God than the other way around? Is that true belief then? Are you a believer because you KNOW there is God and you LOVE him with all your mind, heart and soul? Or are you believing IN CASE…? Is that what your God expects of you?

    You have failed to answer the Hindu question. Mohamad (peace be upon him)? Bhuda? Hail Selasie? I have no idea how to spell these names, but I am sure you know who I am talking about. So in the end there will be a thousand lines, right? One behind each of the prophets? And God the Father is waiting for that fateful day to say WHICH line comes to him? Why? What kind of love is that? Hindus are as dedicated to their faith as the Jews are – but in the end there is only ONE way to the Father (Christians for Jesus etc)… and God will not bother to clarify which one – Why? To make sure there are people going to hell? Why else is he allowing so many different religions, all trying their best to get to HIM, although only ONE will make it? What kind of a love is this? Is God sending people to hell on purpose. The arrogance in believing to be THE CHOSEN, and anyone else who does not believe what you believe is DAMNED… and I say damned because that’s what your Bible says, not because I believe I am damned.

  14. on 12 Jan 2011 at 6:00 pm 14.Me said …

    Why does God NEED hell anyway?

  15. on 13 Jan 2011 at 8:15 pm 15.Anti-Theist said …

    I judge everything I see, condemn things that repulse me, produce waste, and many other things common to our species; without the power of god propping me atop a pedestal away from my primate brethren I must do these things. If you can call any being who’s actions resemble the atrocities in the old testament anything but evil, then the label “disconnected ” shall you be branded. We will agree that this is “our” country; let your lack of “this is a Christian nation” bigotry be condoned / applauded. I tire now of typing and will keep short my tutoring lessons on sarcasm, of which a good example can be found in the phrase, “Another swing at the condemned by the saved righteous” ; these words reflect your beliefs being known and mocked by another whom you have accosted unprovoked. There is no appreciation or respect to be found hear in your beliefs. Perhaps I could have those affections towards you haven’t for your kinds relentless encroachment on my freedoms. It is contradictory to be secure and have hope, please feel free to take that with you for free; my hope comes from what makes me, which is derived from my time on this planet.

  16. on 22 Feb 2011 at 5:50 pm 16.Calypso said …

    Why does God need hell? Why does God send millions of people into the Lake of Fire to be tormented by fire and giant worms for all eternity? My best guess is that the God of the Holy Bible is so pure and holy and We are blind and naked and filthy dirty in the sight of this holy God. We can not perceive our blindness, nakedness and filthiness. So we say that we are just fine without this Holy God. One day, our true characters will be fully revealed in the sight of God and all creation. We will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. How hideous. How sad. Who can escape the wrath of God by saying “I don’t believe?”

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