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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 15 Dec 2010 12:40 am

The “Clash of Beliefs” in Fort Worth

What happens when atheists speak in public like Christians/Muslims/Jews have been speaking in public for centuries? All hell breaks loose:

Millions of people are good without God

A clash of beliefs has rattled Fort Worth city ever since atheists bought ad space on four city buses to reach out to nonbelievers who might feel isolated during the Christmas season. After all, Fort Worth is a place where residents commonly ask people they have just met where they worship and many encounters end with, “Have a blessed day.”

Update (December 16) – THEY FOUND A SOLUTION! Ban the atheist ads:

The T Bans All Religious, Political Ads

52 Responses to “The “Clash of Beliefs” in Fort Worth”

  1. on 15 Dec 2010 at 3:49 pm 1.Xenon said …

    So atheist are lonely at Christmas? If we get them dogs will they stop attempting to remove every sign of Jesus from society?

    More proof they believe in God and are frightened. I don’t believe in Santa and have never posted it on a bus.

  2. on 15 Dec 2010 at 5:29 pm 2.MrQ said …

    X, #1

    I don’t believe in Santa and have never posted it on a bus.

    Why would you even consider breaking that news to two of my children who continue to believe in Santa? Let’s not spill the beans about Santa, please. They will eventually figure it out for themselves.

    More proof they believe in God and are frightened.

    Since you and Hor bring up A. Flew every once in a while, can I ask if you version of god is the same as Flew’s version? Are you scared of Flew’s version?…no afterlife, no Jesus, no hope. VX is right, like Flew you accept god. Then you lie to yourself and look to Jesus as your saviour. Instead of some of the other options which you have failed to investigate….Buddah, Allah, etc. It must take faith.

  3. on 15 Dec 2010 at 7:34 pm 3.Burebista said …

    I never did lie to my kids about a Santa. I always though that was so dishonest. What else do you lie to you kids about?

    I always notice when atheist cannot defend there stand on No God, they go to the particular God argument. Another sign they do believe and are frightened.

  4. on 15 Dec 2010 at 8:42 pm 4.MrQ said …

    I never did lie to my kids about a Santa.

    You just choose to lie to your kids about god. Wifey and I never lied to them about Santa. It’s just so easy to believe and get all that booty. When they ask about the existence of a fat jolly old man in the red suit, we turn it around and ask them “Well, what do you THINK? Do you believe in him?” You should try that with the god lie…but you won’t dare.

    What else do you lie to you kids about?

    A couple of them still believe in the tooth fairy….. the oldest one doesn’t but still wants a coin or gift for a lost tooth.

    Am I a bad dad?

  5. on 15 Dec 2010 at 8:57 pm 5.Observer said …

    I love Google.

    What I was looking for was a reference to the old Norse pagan tradition of children putting out socks by the fireplace with hay in them for Odin’s horses on the wild hunt, or something like that. In return the children received toys and sweets.

    Xenon you inert windbag, check this out:

    Here is quite a bit for you self-righteous Xtians to chew on. Don’t forget for a minute that Christianity is an extremely vulgar paganization of Judaism.

    godkind.org/pagan-holidays.html

    This is from a physician, it must be right…
    http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm

    Gimme a Guiness too…

    http://www.sabbatarian.com/Paganism/PaganHolidays.html

    Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock…

    http://www.kingaero.com/simpleblog/blogs/pagan_holidays/default.aspx

    It doesn’t stop…

    http://www.eliyah.com/paganexp.html

    More on the twelve days of Xmas…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

    For the record, while I do not do the Xmas tree thing, I go to loads of holiday parties, Hanukkah, Festivus, “Holiday”/Xmas, etc. and enjoy myself when there is good food and company. Hell, after enough drink, I can even carol with the best of them.

    What the hell do you mean “spammy”?

  6. on 15 Dec 2010 at 8:59 pm 6.Observer said …

    This is interesting, my previous, and as usual somewhat long message is “awaiting moderation”. What the hell good, or for that matter fun, is this website if it begins to be moderate?

  7. on 15 Dec 2010 at 9:01 pm 7.Burebista said …

    Well sure you are a bad dad. Lying to your kids? Come on! And now we find about this tooth fairy? Teaching them about getting as much “stuff” as possible?

    I can prove the Santa lie. I sit in front of the fireplace, no fat man wiggles his behind down the fireplace we know Santa does not visit. Not once and my kids are grown. My neighbors do the same. You know, I don’t have one friend who believes the lie?
    My kids are all faithful followers of Christ, not because they must, because they have a real relationship with Christ. They can quite anytime they like but why would they? When your truly know Him you don’t want to leave Him. Never heard anyone claim this about Santa.

    Now, how do you disprove God Q? what are the benefits of pretending God does not exist?

  8. on 15 Dec 2010 at 9:04 pm 8.Horatio said …

    Thank you moderator for keeping us from a long bigoted hate-filled tirade from nose-buster! We owe you one.

  9. on 15 Dec 2010 at 9:17 pm 9.Severin said …

    6 Burebista
    “My kids are all faithful followers of Christ,…”

    How old are they?

    Would you dare to show them this site and to let them correspond without your assistance?

  10. on 15 Dec 2010 at 9:27 pm 10.MrQ said …

    what are the benefits of pretending God does not exist?

    Pretending? Why do you lie to yourself and your kids? There’s no evidence for any of it…. Which god(s) are real? They all seem equally valid to me. You pick one version of jesus, your neighbour another..Down the street they’re kneeling to another deity, or flying airplanes into buildings in the name of Allah.

    Too bad your kids never got to go through the REAL magic of Hannukkah season, the Santa fantasy. But maybe you’re a JW, too bad for you.

    It is a rite of passage for many kids when they discover the real “secret” behind Santa; that he, in fact does not exist. It makes them feel adult-like, especially if they, like my eldest, are in on the truth and help keep the magic alive for the younger two.

  11. on 15 Dec 2010 at 10:20 pm 11.Burebista said …

    Lying to your children is a rite of passage? Look! Try to figure out if Dad is lying or telling the truth!

    Ah, no not a JW, just a Christ follower. Just a dad that never purposely lied to my kids. If you have never experienced Christ then you have never had the REAL Joy in Christ.

    I will by-pass the magic there.

  12. on 15 Dec 2010 at 10:22 pm 12.Burebista said …

    Horatio,

    Ha Ha, I don’t think even the moderation can keep Observer out of the room. The tirades are coming!

  13. on 15 Dec 2010 at 11:08 pm 13.MrQ said …

    Lying to your children is a rite of passage? Look! Try to figure out if Dad is lying or telling the truth!

    As opposed to your kids kids talking amongst themselves: Dad’s talking about the invisible man in the sky again. If we don’t believe him and follow the bible then it’s eternal fire and brimstone for us. Give your head a shake.

    Did you miss the part (post #4) that I wrote about getting the kids to THINK and ask if Santa exists? The key is, the concept seems to escape you, to get the kids to think. It’s different than actively telling them that Santa exists. They see all the magic of Santa and are sucked into it without me pushing/encouraging the idea. You should have tried that with the god lie but you failed. Oh well…your kids were force fed the bible and found the christian god through you. Like they had a choice.

    I encourage my kids to think. If there be a god, they will surely find her/him/it/them. Just like the eldest discovered by herself, with just a little encouraging from me, that Santa is a lie (see post #4, again).

  14. on 16 Dec 2010 at 1:06 am 14.MrQ said …

    Just a dad that never purposely lied to my kids.

    Very refreshing to hear of someone that can be 100% honest with their kids. Even the tough questions got answered, eh?

    The major difference, as I see it, between your and my approach to raising kids is that you told your kids WHAT to THINK. Probably just told them read the bible, it’s all in there.

    I am trying my best to teach my kids HOW to THINK. I am asking them to seek answers for themselves. And while they are young and full of wonder they get a free ride in the world of magic, pretend, and fantasy. Such as Santa and the tooth fairy. Slowly they are figuring out their little worlds as they go along. It must make me a leading candidate for bad dad of the year, eh?

  15. on 16 Dec 2010 at 3:41 am 15.sonofthesouth said …

    I ask any atheists here to read a few pages of an online book, “Dying Testimonies of Saved and Unsaved.” This book is a compilation of nearly 300 deathbed utterances of both saint and sinner. Case number 7 still tears at my heart for unbelievers. Even Volaire’s last words are recorded, and he believes, but all too late. I leave my email address here for anyone that reads this book and wants to ask questions about coming to a saving grace. It has caused many, many of both backslidden and unbelieving hearts to come to repentance and belief. Thank you.

  16. on 16 Dec 2010 at 3:49 am 16.Burebista said …

    Mr Q,

    You so awesome! You teach them HOW to think. They will think Dad lies to me and I need to question everything he says. You have been sucked into a pagan ritual. Congratulations.

    Yes, I shared God with my kids. Why? Because I love them. Hey, but like your kids if it is a lie they will figure out! Of course, God is indeed real so therein lies the difference.

    But I will tell you what I will do. If you can prove my relationship with God is myth (or a lie), I will personally pass this on to each child. The first proof I get will be the first but would early love to see some.

    I can prove Santa is a lie. Can you prove God is a lie?

  17. on 16 Dec 2010 at 4:11 am 17.MrQ said …

    Mr Q,
    You so awesome!

    Geeez. Thanks. ‘Bout time…I knew someone here would finally see the light.

    Of course, God is indeed real so therein lies the difference.

    Prove it. If you prove a god, any god, exists, then I can prove the invisible man exists. It takes faith, which I have no doubt that you have in abundance.

    I can prove Santa is a lie.

    You should be proud. My 11 year old shares that accomplishment with you. Soon my two other children will do likewise.

    Can you prove God is a lie?

    No. And you can’t prove god exists. But you have faith that your version is the correct one. For your kids sake, you should hope that you don’t get asked to prove your faith to god.

  18. on 16 Dec 2010 at 10:09 am 18.rael said …

    for me, it is always one of the most disgusting parts of religious practice, the way children are indoctrinated………. so sad

  19. on 16 Dec 2010 at 2:03 pm 19.Burebista said …

    Q,

    I’m proud to see that you now realize the lie you passed on to your children. Now this statement from you:

    “You should have tried that with the god lie but you failed. Oh well…your kids were force fed the bible and found the christian god through you”

    I knew when I replied you, of course would turn it around and ask me to prove YOUR claim LOL. The entire site is full of I am so disappointed. If you make a claim something is a lie, you should support it. Much like I did your Santa.

    My kids were also forced to go to school, work and show respect to adults even when they did not want to do so. Yup, my kids were taught things and sometimes against their will. You know we even forced them to take medicine that di not taste good. LOL

    Hmmm, I think you maybe one of those progressive parents who lets there children raise themselves. So sad, Please do not beat them when they discover God.

  20. on 16 Dec 2010 at 2:57 pm 20.Anti-Theist said …

    #1
    The followers of Christopher Cringle have never, to my knowledge, attempted to pass discriminatory laws in an attempt to subject those without an appreciation for their illogical beliefs into behaving in accordance with their vile bronze age comic book. Peoples personal, objectable beliefs should be displayed nowhere near the public forum; instead being kept to one’s self, in one’s own privacy, in one’s own authoritative space being the proper answer. We secular people of this secular nation will never roll over while deity cheapjacks abuse our constitutional rights; and why would we when it’s so easy to smash your defendants to pieces in court.

  21. on 16 Dec 2010 at 5:27 pm 21.Clausewitz said …

    Hate-Theist

    Jawohl commandant! Smash! Smash! Manger scene! Smash! Smash! Christians!

    Sniff, sniff the love of the atheist is so touching. It is beyond me why more don’t enter the faith. I love their Christmas…..er Hannukah, er, Winter Solstice spirit during the Christmas season.

    Such a hateful bunch. I feel quite sorry for people with such venom.

    Merry Christmas to the rest of you. Remember the love of Christ coming into the world during this beautiful time of year.

  22. on 16 Dec 2010 at 6:09 pm 22.Anti-Theist said …

    I so do love the affirmation of my peers, or the closest things theism has to offer; if you can’t feel the heat through your monitor know that I am emoting warm fuzzies. Your attempt to rile in us uncontrollable emotion by using the word “ faith” in categorizing atheism is played and shows impotence; does so your attempt at / offering of sympathy. :)

  23. on 16 Dec 2010 at 7:07 pm 23.MrQ said …

    If you make a claim something is a lie, you should support it. Much like I did your Santa.

    You disproved Santa? Just by viewing your fireplace? Why not apply the same technique to disproving god? Quick, look to the sky. No god(s). It must be a lie. You believe in a christian god through faith. Proof not required.
    BTW, it’s not my Santa, it’s our Santa.

    “You should have tried that with the god lie but you failed.”
    My point was that if the christian god is so obvious, why the need to indoctrinate the kids? Why not ask them what they think of, for instance, the ark? How did you explain some of the nasty bits in the bible? Surely you never lied to them. Just suger coated that pill before insertion. Talk about bad medicine!

    Please do not beat them when they discover God.

    You sound confident that they will. If they do, hopefully it’s through honest and thorough introspection and thought. As opposed to feeling pressured into a mindset. Too bad your kids never had that option.

    Because I care, here is a link about all the harm Santa does:
    http://pb.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/28/12/455

  24. on 16 Dec 2010 at 7:24 pm 24.Burebista said …

    “BTW, it’s not my Santa, it’s our Santa.”

    No, yours, I don’t have a Santa

    “Quick, look to the sky. No god(s). It must be a lie.”

    Why? A sky God is your invention. Kind of like your Santa. Your Santa does come down fireplaces, right? Wouldn’t that be proof if he never comes?

    “How did you explain some of the nasty bits in the bible?”

    Ah Ah AH, digression again. Focus on the existence of God then we can look at a particular God.

    “If they do, hopefully it’s through honest and thorough introspection and thought.”

    Just like my family did. If they need help contact me.

  25. on 16 Dec 2010 at 7:25 pm 25.Burebista said …

    Clausewitz

    Merry Christmas to you as well.

  26. on 16 Dec 2010 at 8:15 pm 26.MrQ said …

    If they need help contact me.

    Too funny. Contact you? Don’t think for yourselves, kids. Dad’s got more sugar to put on the pill. See what I mean about getting your kids to think for themselves versus your idea of TELLING the kids exactly HOW to THINK. Will you be angry if their faith in god changes to a muslims, buddhists, or some other belief structure? Will you disown them?

    No, yours, I don’t have a Santa

    We all have a Santa. I’d bet, as a minimum, there’s one in your local mall. He’s there for your viewing pleasure.

    Hope you were able to enjoy the link I provided in post #22.

  27. on 16 Dec 2010 at 9:10 pm 27.Burebista said …

    Sorry, I never got around to the link. I was so busy sorting through the post looking for this proof.

    My kids are doing great and serving the Lord faithfully, thanks. Although, No matter what they do Dad will always love them. Even if they became an A! lol But what are the chances? You guys make up – what 2% of populace? On the other hand, your kids will likely discover God. Sorry, but you really should join in the truth.

    The mall is not mine either, but hey enjoy you bearded fat man. I’ll choose to remember the real reason for the season.

    Been fun but gotta run. You didn’t offer any proof either. I’ll keep looking just for fun.

  28. on 16 Dec 2010 at 9:11 pm 28.Burebista said …

    Did I mention, Out town square has a manger!

    Noooooo!!

    Yes, it is true.

  29. on 16 Dec 2010 at 9:44 pm 29.JohnnyP said …

    RE: #6: “I can prove the Santa lie. I sit in front of the fireplace, no fat man wiggles his behind down the fireplace we know Santa does not visit.”

    Santa doesn’t come if you’re awake, silly. So you’ll have to think of another way to prove it.

    Seriously, though…I notice your plan involves “not seeing Santa” in order to prove he doesn’t exist.

  30. on 16 Dec 2010 at 10:49 pm 30.MrQ said …

    Did I mention, Out town square has a manger!

    Oh, Noes…. there goes my plan for the global the atheist awakening. Shit!!!

    I’ve even seen *gasp* local papers putting in ads with “Merry Christmas”!!! I will let you in on a secret…I’am taking the whole family caroling this season…we’ll sing songs of Santa and Jesus and maybe even something totally off-beat and out of winter season. Don’t tell any other atheists this, it’s stictly between you and me burebista.

  31. on 16 Dec 2010 at 11:05 pm 31.Xenon said …

    Johnny

    There is no Santa. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

    Bure,

    Speaking of mangers, -did you read about the atheist group in Indiana demanding removal of a manger scene in Wisconsin? They think the manger is a church. Don’t let them find out about your town.

    http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Group-Demands-Nativity-Be-Removed-From-Lawn/cqf1haRiSUGciNmaf3VCRw.cspx

  32. on 16 Dec 2010 at 11:37 pm 32.JohnnyP said …

    RE #30: “There is no Santa. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.”

    I’m still waiting for the proof Burebista promised in post #15.

    Thanks, though.

  33. on 17 Dec 2010 at 12:30 am 33.God is Real said …

    Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God’s existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

    There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Examine what your initial reaction was to the proof of God’s existence offered on this website. Did you think that you could continue to deny God because you are not a scientist, or philosopher but ‘Surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?’ Did you try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own? OR Did you even consider that the proof was valid?

    Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn’t it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

    Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His forgiving love, and come to know the peace which passes all understanding.

  34. on 17 Dec 2010 at 4:29 am 34.JohnnyP said …

    RE #32

    GIR, may I politely inquire as to why you think an atheist actually does believe in god, and is really just “running from” (or hiding from, or denying, etc.) him? What would his/her motivation be exactly?

  35. on 17 Dec 2010 at 7:11 am 35.Severin said …

    23 Burebista
    “Ah Ah AH, digression again. Focus on the existence of God then we can look at a particular God.“

    27 Burebista
    „Did I mention, Out town square has a manger!“

    So you do not look a particular god?! You „just believe in god“, „generally“, or what?

    What a manger has to do with your “general deity” (“unparticular god”)?

  36. on 17 Dec 2010 at 7:22 am 36.Severin said …

    30 Xenon
    “There is no Santa. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.”

    Can you kindly prove there is no Santa?
    How would you do that using logical steps?
    Or, maybe you have some strong evidences we don’t know in your sleeve?

    If you can not, may I be free to claim there is no god, without being attacked from you (and others)for evidences?

    Can we agree, for future debate, to expose our claims without any evidences, as you just did?
    To accept “it is the truth what I said, because I said it” argument?

    O.K., then:
    Xenon, there is no god. Glad to be bearer of good news.

  37. on 17 Dec 2010 at 3:30 pm 37.Anti-Theist said …

    In my family it has been common that, during childhood, Santa exists; when you’re a teenager he doesn’t exist; as an adult you are Santa. I do not want to lie to my children about the existence of Santa, but at my wife’s request I will not preemptively stifle said possible future belief. At first glance it seem that Santa is just as disprovable as Christianity; quite funny. And I’m glad to hear that Festivus displays are being given same authority and rights as Christian displays (namely Christmas trees which are hardly Christian)in the public square; shows the amount of respect, or lack their of, our secular nation holds for Christianity.

  38. on 17 Dec 2010 at 3:45 pm 38.Rostam said …

    I pass light poles daily. Festivus must be a daily occurrence.

    However, Christmas is a legal government recognized Federal Holiday so this respect item is nonsense. I suppose they feel left out. I’m sure atheist scrooges will be hollering soon to get this removed due to the wall clause of the Constitution(Thank You Grant). We know more today about what the founders intent was than the founders.

    I assume you who do not believe in Christ-Mas will be working on December 25th? You would not want to compromise your convictions I’m sure.

  39. on 17 Dec 2010 at 4:49 pm 39.JohnnyP said …

    Heh heh…in #6 Burebista says he sat in front of his fireplace (and apparently his neighbors did too) to see if Santa would show. Because he didn’t show, Burebista then makes the confident proclamation that that’s proof Santa doesn’t exist. Is he actually saying that because he can’t see him that means it’s all a big lie?

    You gotta love it.

  40. on 17 Dec 2010 at 6:11 pm 40.Anti-Theist said …

    Despite the claims of fundamentalists Christmas in the united states today is quite secular. Despite the fact that I will be working on the 25th, contributing to the assurance of our nations sovereignty, I will be celebrating Christmas as a secular holiday devoid of any religious contamination. Christians who honestly look at the season historically would quickly find that Christmas is a blatant plagiarism used by the murdering forefathers of Christianity to discredit the wiccan faith; along with most of your other traditions.

  41. on 17 Dec 2010 at 6:22 pm 41.Anti-Theist said …

    It saddens me to imagine Americans sitting in front of a fireplace waiting for Santa almost as much as watching those waiting for Armageddon; personally I cannot distinguish between the two groups. I guess one group was established by murdering pigs while the other was not; ah, Christmas gleams again.

  42. on 17 Dec 2010 at 6:55 pm 42.Xenon said …

    “Christmas is a blatant plagiarism used by the murdering forefathers of Christianity to discredit the wiccan faith”

    Anti-Theist,
    Would you provide some proof of this claim.

    Thanks
    __________________________

    “Is he actually saying that because he can’t see him that means it’s all a big lie?”

    Yes Johnny

    Santa is a big lie. He is a man who delivers toys. He does not therfore he is not.
    “God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth”

  43. on 17 Dec 2010 at 8:25 pm 43.Anti-Theist said …

    Amongst other patrons, I have personally given multiple evidences supporting all statements (including this one)I make; you and other believers will get no more free education from me. In any case, your dilutions blind you from external enlightenment; If you are interested in differing natural broader views than “god did it”, your free to educate yourselves.

  44. on 17 Dec 2010 at 8:25 pm 44.JohnnyP said …

    RE #41: “Santa is a big lie. He is a man who delivers toys. He does not therefore he is not.”

    Still waiting for the proof, Xen. Either put up or shut up.

  45. on 17 Dec 2010 at 10:12 pm 45.Xenon said …

    “I make; you and other believers will get no more free education from me.”

    Other than poor sentence structure, you offer nothing. If you cannot prove it then you brought to us a lie.

    Can anyone provide proof for anything this URL produces? I am willing to entertain any idea that has proof. If there is only the natural world, this should be quite easy, yes?

    Johnny,

    Yes Johnny, there is a Santa.

  46. on 17 Dec 2010 at 10:58 pm 46.JohnnyP said …

    RE: #44 “Yes Johnny, there is a Santa.”

    Wow, you’re easily swayed, ain’tcha? Guess it just takes a little pressure…

    Is that how the xians got you?

  47. on 18 Dec 2010 at 6:18 pm 47.MrQ said …

    Gas bag, X (post#44)

    If you cannot prove it then you brought to us a lie.

    Does that apply to proving god also?

    I am willing to entertain any idea that has proof.

    BS. see above.

    I must ask…how old are you Xenon? Your musings peg you at about 12 years old.
    BTW, go back and re-read post #42, from which you incorrectly (partially) quoted from.

  48. on 18 Dec 2010 at 9:49 pm 48.Horatio said …

    Post #46

    No useful content
    Full of Ad Hominim attacks
    No contributions to thread
    Full of fallacies
    No class

  49. on 19 Dec 2010 at 7:18 am 49.Severin said …

    23 Burebista
    “Ah Ah AH, digression again. Focus on the existence of God then we can look at a particular God.“

    Can you kindly explain HOW can we focus on existance of „god“ (An „universal“ deity? A „general“ god? Just „god“?), when so many gods are offered to us and we are not able to conclude which one is the right one?
    What are „particular gods”, and what is a „general“ deity’, just “god”?
    How to distinguish them?

    If some god exists and is „inherent“ to human nature, as all religions claim, how is it that he differs so much from religion to religion?

    Look at the „sins“!
    Even the „sins“ are not the same in different religions.
    Polygamy offends Christian god but does not offend Muslim god. Eating pork meat and drinking wine offends Allah, but does not offend Christian god. Painting humans and animals offends Allah but does not offend Christian god…

    How can we recognize your „universal deity“ among so many different „particular gods“?

    Digression? Maybe, but not mine!
    You theists are not consistent.
    Atheists do not believe in ANY god, “particular” or “universal”.
    We also do not believe in Santa, but like him.
    As we (I hope most of us) like Data (Star Trek).

  50. on 19 Dec 2010 at 3:31 pm 50.Anti-Theist said …

    “I make; you and other believers will get no more free education from me.”

    Being amongst an grammatical elitist scholarly authority, such as the underrecognized Xenon, can be quite vexing; commonly it can lead to, we, the underclass lazing in their grammerical (made up word) prowess. This folly should be forgiven, unlike said trusted authority misquoting said underclass; have not the brilliant the courage to rule fairly.

    Other than poor sentence structure, you offer nothing. If you cannot prove it then you brought to us a lie.

    Again you slop in hypocrisy; “it” is not an acceptable acting subject in this sentence. This atrocity comes directly after lashing the efforts of a mere literary competitor; you should consider leaving the lying to your pastors as it will be seen and abolished hear outside of your safe zone.

    Can anyone provide proof for anything this URL produces? I am willing to entertain any idea that has proof. If there is only the natural world, this should be quite easy, yes?

    Those professing natural reality will never be, and should remember to never feel obligated to enlist proof that natural reality exists free of and without need of any supernatural laws or entities; supernaturalists are those whose claims remain unmerited, and will remain unmerited until, ;and without required proof of which is and will remain impossible to retrieve.

    Johnny,

    Yes Johnny, there is a Santa.

    Jonhnny knows there’s a Santa; he is Santa.

  51. on 19 Dec 2010 at 8:29 pm 51.Burebista said …

    “grammerical (made up word) prowess

    Try grammatical. The rest of your post was boring with no facts but much nonsense.

    Johnny,

    R U really Santa? If you being your fat behind down my fireplace you will get some lead in your rear.

  52. on 19 Dec 2010 at 9:18 pm 52.Anti-Theist said …

    “Grammatical” is not appropriate in my sentence for the message I was conveying to those quick enough to “pick it up”. I don’t come where you hobby and slap the “I hate fags” sign out your hand; don’t attempt to correct me in mine.

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