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Christianity &Rationals Thomas on 08 Dec 2010 12:41 am

The reality of the “god” in the Bible vs. the Christian feel-good fantasy – How can Christians ignore reality?

One thing that rational people find so bizarre about Christians is their apparent inability to think critically, to read honestly, or to understand the ramifications of their belief in a “god”.

For example, Christians say that the Bible is the word of God. And more than half of Christians say that the Bible is literally true. But then they will completely ignore what the Bible says. The best marker for this desire to ignore the Bible can be seen in the 10 commandments. Christians want to post the 10 commandments everywhere – in schools, court houses, town squares, etc. But then they ignore the commandment to honor the Sabbath, as well as the Bible’s direct commandment to kill everyone who does not honor the Sabbath. This video lays bare the hypocrisy.

In the same way, Christians completely ignore the reality of the Bible’s rape laws:

The Bible’s Rape Laws Made Easy

How could anyone believe in a “god” that is this disgusting? To get out of this, Christians will say, “those rape laws are in the old testament and no longer apply blah blah blah.” When they say that, Christians completely ignore the fact that the 10 commandments are also in the old testament. The hypocrisy stuns any rational person. How can Christians live with such obvious duplicity?

Instead of the God presented in the Bible, most Christians want to believe in a fluffy, happy, friendly “god” like this:

Everybody

The problem with this fluffy “god” is that, in order to believe in him, you must completely ignore reality. Millions of people die every day in horrible ways: starvation, drought, war, genocide, torture, famine, parasites, earthquakes, cancer, tsunamis, disease, etc. They live miserable lives. And then the Bible promises that most of them will be tortured in hell for eternity anyway. This is reality.

How can Christians completely ignore reality? It makes it hard for any rational person to take Christians seriously. How can they be so deluded?

12 Responses to “The reality of the “god” in the Bible vs. the Christian feel-good fantasy – How can Christians ignore reality?”

  1. on 08 Dec 2010 at 9:56 pm 1.anti_supernaturalist said …

    beat the average fundie in a game of religion!

    Find out how! . . . go to. . .

    http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/

    “Take [their] short, 15-question quiz, and see how you do in comparison with 3,412 randomly sampled adults who were asked these and other questions in the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey. This national poll was conducted by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life from May 19 through June 6, 2010, on landlines and cell phones, in English and Spanish.”

    Guess what? In this scientifically created and statistically reliable survey, the group Atheists/Agnostics had the highest average score of 65%! (20.9 of 32 items)

    We edged out Jews and Mormons. We finished 10% ahead of white fundies, 15% ahead of white RCs, and 16% ahead of white main-line protestants.

    Our strength comes from a broad knowledge about religion — especially in non-xian religions, the social dimension of religious institutions, and the place of religion in our secular state.

    Download the entire report for free. Also the questionnaire. Wave it under the noses of fundies; let them try to weasel out. (Only at the cost of turning to the irrational morass that lies at the center of xian mega-cults.)

    the anti_supernaturalist

  2. on 08 Dec 2010 at 10:20 pm 2.anti_supernaturalist said …

    ”God” cannot be erased in a day

    • moral sentiments = religious sentiments = harmful cultural artifacts

    Religious subjective “assurances” are cultural artifacts. They say nothing about reality. So-called “higher sentiments” say nothing about their origins. But, they don’t come from on-high.

    Basing belief in “God” on “feelings” is an atavistic hangover. The “God” of the big-3 so-called great monotheisms and associated fictional literature no longer bears any relationship to cultural reality.

    Religion and morality are prejudices called ‘good.’ They are cultural artifacts parasitical on innate physiological pathways of disgust and pleasure, trained in (conditioned) by inverting cause/effect.

    Subjective certainty based on (indoctrinated) “feelings” forms a huge component of fundie religious ideology. Their core beliefs are founded upon anti-intellectualism inherent in the so-called “gospels” and the letters of Saul/Paul of Tarsus.

    Nothing like a politically far-right-wing religion to reinforce ancient near-eastern prejudice and make them “holy” by claiming that: the historically dead is eternal, the merely cultural is universal, that group aversions define a “chosen people”; that operant conditioning is the “will of God,” that political demands by religious authoritarians are “the voice of God”.

    • subjective certainty says nothing about reality

    Subjective certainty is a false proxy for truth. Listen to xians…there’s nothing to their god-talk other than irrationally defended cultural conditioning.
    Knowledge and subjective certainty characterize discourses totally distinct from one another. Subjective certainty is employed to justify evil.

    Those who can alter their conditioning, can alter their “feelings” by erasing old and building new neural pathways. They subordinate “feelings” to what Freud called ‘the reality principle’. Only then can all supernatural beings be killed.

    Buddha partially understood — the gods are inferior to any enlightened individual. “God” as a culturally created concept can be erased.

    All believers (from the big-3 monster theisms) harm their own brains by linking their disgust to truth seeking (the sciences) and by linking subjective certainty about supernaturalism to “bliss.” (Can you hear me follow-your-bliss Joe Campbell?)

    Xians are intent on making the world safe for their dead forms of culture. They will destroy our open society to do so.

    They spread STDs, socially transmitted (mental) disorders.

    the anti_supernaturalist (and immoralist)

  3. on 09 Dec 2010 at 12:17 am 3.MrQ said …

    http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/

    Wow…. 14/15 for MrQ. For a score of 93%, scored better than 97% of the public.

  4. on 09 Dec 2010 at 2:28 pm 4.A4 said …

    The same as MrQ, 14/15. One of the things that surprises my theist friends is that I’ve actually read the bible, as in read it for myself.

    Fortunately, my parents were of the mindset that the answer to everything was within the bible and that if I read it I’d understand. So, having read said book, cover to cover, I then understood that the bible was a complete bunch of crap and that the god of the bible was as real as all the other gods that I’d also read about.

    Thinking back, I’m not sure if it was easier or harder to get to the truth behind the tooth fairy and Santa Claus but, then, there’s actual physical evidence for both of those.

  5. on 09 Dec 2010 at 3:12 pm 5.Horatio said …

    15/15 although I didn’t consider much of a test on religion. What is fluffy God? Never read about Him in the Bible. God is Love, Mercy, Grace, Just and punishes. Yes, he is all those things just as our culture has all those things. The fact some may not LIKE some of God’s attributes changes nothing. Yes, people suffer in this life. That is reality just as Jesus suffered and taught we would as well.

    Atheist quite looking for a fluffy God, that is not reality. You have this Santa Claus fixation that will not come true.

    Question #16

    Did Jesus come to fulfill the law or impose Jewish law?

    That is a real relgion question.

  6. on 09 Dec 2010 at 4:47 pm 6.Anti-Theist said …

    Atheists on average know more about technical religion than anyone else. What some of us obviously don’t understand is the dilution behind spiritualism that locks true believers into the blind faith existence where we find, and are sometimes tempted to not, leave them. This is factual and backed by real census generated numbers; this is also reflected by the number of those claiming subordinance to any given religion; I believe if everybody read their respective canons theistic populations would plummet.

  7. on 09 Dec 2010 at 5:07 pm 7.dxt said …

    A-T,

    “I believe if everybody read their respective canons theistic populations would plummet.”

    This would presuppose you are the authority on interpretive texts. The theistic population within true biblical Christianity is a fractional number anyways, compared to the worlds poulation. Numbers dont prove anything according to biblical Christianity, we are told there will be few. So, surveys, graphs and pie charts dont make a lick of difference to me.

  8. on 09 Dec 2010 at 5:24 pm 8.Anti-Theist said …

    That is, while feeling shame towards my species, what I respect about you; your honest “faith” and near perfect obedience to the bible( even in the face of moderate church fakers). I would like see how honestly you could critique the Westborough churches beliefs, forgoing said groups actions of course.

  9. on 09 Dec 2010 at 5:29 pm 9.Burebista said …

    The reason atheist no a great deal about other religions is primarily due to the fact they are searching for truth. They know atheism is not truth so they spend time researching other religions which is commendable.

    On the other hand, a Christian, for instance has already found truth and has no need to seek out other religions.

  10. on 09 Dec 2010 at 5:34 pm 10.Anti-Theist said …

    P.S.
    You are aware by now that in my world which I govern all statements are beliefs / opinions of mine, and are thus made( in my world) under my ultimate authority; you may of coarse point out that they are my opinion only under the charge of redundancy which may or may not damage your appearance of unclouded intellect in the eyes of those you may or may not wish to appear credible too.

  11. on 09 Dec 2010 at 6:04 pm 11.Anti-Theist said …

    “Know thine enemy” is one reason, alongside strengthening our position, sheer entertainment, and the morbid urge to look upon train wrecks. Perhaps your arrogant, half hazardly derived thought would hold some water amongst theists, but atheists already know their position and have taken responsibility for all related implications.

  12. on 22 Mar 2012 at 2:41 pm 12.Cody said …

    I’m really sorry for having been a Christian in the past. Even now, it is hard for me to think for myself. :*( It is not a good, happy thing. Christianity, and other religions I presume, hurt people. They cause people to stop thinking about how they really feel and instead to think about the symbols they have been taught. The bible is the living word of God in that it controls the people who believe in it, for better, or usually for worse.

    Isn’t it better to just know what you feel?

    Here is an example:

    I said something really hurtful to this girl. I told her that being nice wasn’t going to get her what she wanted. I meant it wasn’t going to make other people be nice to her as well. I thought it was going to lead to her being taken advantage of.

    So later I apologized to her for hurting her feelings. I knew this wasn’t enough, but I felt like she deserved it and I wanted to let her know I was sorry. Then she just told me she didn’t remember things for long and she forgave me.

    But I know she didn’t. That’s not how she really felt. She just said that because some symbols in a book told her she ought to.

    I am going to write a paper about how hypocrisy in Christianity is actually good and leads to social development.

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