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Christianity Thomas on 07 Dec 2010 12:30 am

Prayer in Hawaii senate

This video was filmed in the state senate chamber in Hawaii. It is remarkable:

Shouting out in a senate chamber while the senate is in session is, as a general rule, ill advised. The beating that takes place at the end of this video is, of course, ridiculous as well.

But the part of the video that is truly astounding is the prayer itself. The idea that people would implore an imaginary being to do things seems so shockingly childish. The fact that they are doing it publicly, as part of an official government activity, is unbelievable.

This video helps to explain how childish the activity of prayer is:

20 Responses to “Prayer in Hawaii senate”

  1. on 07 Dec 2010 at 2:51 am 1.Anonymous said …

    As a matter of fact, it is actually 100% legal for a citizen of the state of Hawaii to voice their opinion during a meeting of the state senate. Nothing that the victim in this video did was against the law, or even improper conduct. Everything that the senate itself and its security detail did was against the law.

  2. on 07 Dec 2010 at 3:06 pm 2.Biff said …

    If this is unconstitutional then why did our founders practice this before, during and after ratification of the Constitution?

    If the prayer is childish then I am on the side of our founders and the childish. The protester needs a life.

  3. on 07 Dec 2010 at 10:24 pm 3.Observer said …

    The behaviour of the Hawaiian goons is precisely what is to be expected of Christian filth when they have the upper hand. This has gone on for centuries. Prejudice against enlightenment is nothing new.

  4. on 07 Dec 2010 at 10:27 pm 4.Observer said …

    #2 Hillbilly trash- No doubt prayer early in history of the US was an accommodation to garbage from the Southern colonies whose spawn would try to destroy the United States in the middle of the 19thC. It was an unfortunate concession with the ongoing disaster we witness today.

  5. on 08 Dec 2010 at 8:31 am 5.SID said …

    I Read ur article abt praying wont help. I Was really taken aback when i saw your url. GOD IS IMAGINARY. i coudnt help myself from laughing.Friends let me tel u that god is not imaginary at all .He is infact the most real and existing thing in the entire universe. When you askd why wouldnt God cure all the cancer patients if we prayed , your ans lies in your own question you are lackink faith when u ask why not proves that u r alredy asuming that you dont want him to cure you are just praying to prove him wrong and thats what he does he grants your prayer by not curing the cancer and to prove u that he does not exist. Even when you say that you are praying in your mind you are assuming that he wont grant your wish

  6. on 08 Dec 2010 at 12:38 pm 6.Hell Yeah said …

    #5 SID

    Another brainwashed uneducated individual. This is one of the worst writing I have seen on here.

    “He is infact the most real and existing thing in the entire universe.”

    Really? Everything I see, hear, and feel is more real and existing, since the proof is there. If he is the most real and existing thing, why would there be people like us that question? If he is so obvious, 100% would believe. Why is it the more educated someone is, the less likely they believe? That is the trend.

    “he grants your prayer by not curing the cancer”

    Huh?

  7. on 08 Dec 2010 at 2:09 pm 7.Biff said …

    “This is one of the worst writing I have seen on here.”

    HY,

    Could it be the worst because you don’t like the content or because you have never read Severin? I understood this individual fine.

    Atheist always like to attack poor English but only on ideas they don’t like. Maybe English is noy his first language?

    Stop with no proof farce. God has give us plenty of proof, you just fail to acknowledge His work. Your probably deny the works of Androcydes with cries of he as not real and was created by natural selection and chance. lol.

  8. on 08 Dec 2010 at 2:11 pm 8.Biff said …

    “he grants your prayer by not curing the cancer”

    Let me explain this to the short-sighted HY. Everyone has a time they are appointed to die. Sometimes it is with disease. Yes, you will die one day regardless of how many times you might ask to live forever.

  9. on 09 Dec 2010 at 5:38 am 9.A4 said …

    Sid@#5

    So, god doesn’t answer the prayers of the believers to cure cancer because he’s chosen to answer the prayers of the non-believers instead?

    Thus by virtue of not providing any kind of sign whatsoever to the doubters (them not realizing that god letting people die horrible deaths is a sign of his greatness) he proves his existence to believers such as yourself?

    I had no idea what a privileged position atheists were in. Does this mean that as long as anyone continues to doubt his existence, god will keep answering the doubter’s prayers and the faithful and their families will continue to suffer even though god could intervene, but has chosen not to?

    Wow.

  10. on 09 Dec 2010 at 3:54 pm 10.Anti-Theist said …

    If the protagonists in the posted video were trying to expose the ape like behavior of theists I have only two things to say; firstly you have succeeded beyond any reasonable doubt, secondly it was done completely in vain. To explain the latter observation Ill say that the constitutionalist uselessly made himself look like a fool; everybody knows that in mobs theists act like ravenous animals and more importantly that in court secularly based ideas and complaints destroy Christian defendants every time. Prayer in public schools, for instance, only exist hidden in backwoods, backward, bible belt, redneck communities; if the constitutionalist had kept his emotions in check and taken this up with a law suit secular law would have yet another notch on its (hypothetical) belt.

  11. on 09 Dec 2010 at 4:07 pm 11.Bob said …

    Regarding Sid, the fact is that when you post something using such grotesque grammar it lends creedence to what most of us know as fact; uneducated people are more likely to fall for religion than the more critical thinking of us.

    I tried re-typing the post using correct and intelligent language but had to give up, it was too mangled.

  12. on 09 Dec 2010 at 4:19 pm 12.dxt said …

    Bob,

    I would consider myself a critical thinker but yet I would also be classified as a “fundie”, as some put it. Can you share with me any conclusive evidence that I should be amongst the “uneducated” masses?

  13. on 09 Dec 2010 at 5:16 pm 13.Anti-Theist said …

    In my opinion derived directly from your submitted literature, you hold an intellectual prowess that can be respected and appreciated; that said the ability to retain and use book smarts / yield wisdom / think cleverly and creatively offered you no protection from being brainwashed, which is child abuse in my opinion, at an impressionable stage in your life and surly only presents you with the resources needed to hold onto such indoctrinated primitive beliefs in the midst of an overwhelming access to reality.

  14. on 09 Dec 2010 at 6:13 pm 14.dxt said …

    Like wise A-T, and I appreciate your kind words. I lived most my life as an unimpressionable individual. No one forced Christianity down my throat prior to my conversion. If I had the desire to share my long winded testimony with you I would but I would have to first start off explaining my entire past. I just didn’t decide to believe in the God of the bible and then search for resources to defend something that might not be true. If you really knew me, you would know that I wouldn’t waste my time and effort in this. Believe me, a god was the last thing I needed in my life prior to my conversion, im determined, stubborn minded, I dont like people telling me what I should believe or think unless a good reason or evidence is given to me and I can make my own critical decisions in life based upon what I know to be true. You could say that that my conversion was alot like the Apostle Pauls in that “I was knocked off my horse”. I know that true biblical Christianity to be true because of my unexplainable transformation of thought and character with no prior belief or disposition to believe in the God of Scripture. I knew of a man named Jesus and thats about as far as my biblical knowledge went. That being said, I defend it because I believe its true and we are commanded to give a reason for the hope that is within us. So I will use my stubborn attributes to continue to do so and unless I come across something that proves me otherwise, I will continue to give my reasons. I have alot more to say about this.

  15. on 09 Dec 2010 at 6:34 pm 15.Anti-Theist said …

    Feel free to emote unconstrained; this type of scripture free thought is like a breath of fresh air and holds, as well, an uncanny ability to be believed and taken quite seriously by everyone. I may be wrong, but the longer you contribute to these forums, the more I see in you a growing ability to be genuinely honest with us perfect, and sometimes hostile, strangers. Tell me now, have you wrestled seriously the chance of an early demise, and how easy is it to cope with, knowing that you’ll have god to spill praise upon in an afterlife; is it cozy knowing that dead family and friends are waiting for you to come to them, having never died but only ascending into a perfect existence enjoyed by those humble enough to believe Christianity perfectly?

  16. on 09 Dec 2010 at 7:11 pm 16.dxt said …

    An early demise? Whatever and however it may, so shall it be. Whats your purpose in life? Here one day gone the next. I dont know that I will have dead family and friends waiting for me in the next life. It is a discomfort to me knowing that family members and friends have passed on possibly without saving faith in Christ. You need not believe in it perfectly, even a child can understand John 3:16.

    Seriously, I like you A-T. I also like your rational inquiry into what I believe. A Christian seldom gets this chance granted to them due to the hostility of individuals towards the God of Scripture. They automatically assume your a freak who has no good reasons for believing what you believe. I like to use alot of Scripture because we are commanded to take captive every lofty thing and bring it to submission to the Word. The Word is the authority on any subject it deals with and I have good reason to believe it to be so. Truth defends itself, I just cite its verses.

  17. on 09 Dec 2010 at 7:41 pm 17.Anti-Theist said …

    I admit to being a little low brow as I do enjoy the joust. I also know seeds cannot grow in salty terrain; and that as yummy I find vinegar, I also enjoy honey. It is a strong fundamentalist Christian indeed who condemns his friendlier than associates to hell; I believe without your faith the thought of death would seem unbearable. If I could certify your honesty I would be positive in the assertion that this fear of death is your real disorder that demands you cling so desperately to such an obviously impossible piece of literature.

  18. on 09 Dec 2010 at 8:07 pm 18.dxt said …

    First of all, one can not rightly concede condemnation of others unless claims of saving faith has been made and show absolutely no change in nature whatsoever in the individuals life. In other words, you must be able to be a personal witness to the individuals actions and bring about the issues and hold him accountable. If there is no change in nature at all, then there is no evidence of saving faith. I do not condemn the lives of any individuals that I can not personally attest to. Even then, we are all sinners but must show at least repentence and a desire to live their lives according to Scripture.
    My conversion to Christianity had no backdrop of pondering death. Sure I thought about it in my earlier years, but didn’t lead me to desire something more. I have thought about an afterlife before and thought, if there is there is, if there is not there is not. It made no difference to me, I would be dead either way and had nothing to lose, because I would still be dead. The truth is, there is an afterlife and it gives this life meaning and purpose, none of which I was exactly looking for prior to my conversion. I didn’t think about it much and was really indifferent to it all. So your assesment of me would be a faulty one.

  19. on 09 Dec 2010 at 8:28 pm 19.Anti-Theist said …

    Are really going to profess yourself an observatory authority in the actions and judgment of others; is it acceptable to think you ever hold the authority (as a Christian) to rightly concede condemnation of others? That sir, bears no resemblance to any Christian I have ever known; does it not suggest that you know the mind / intentions of god to say that you would ever pass condemnation on anybody at all? Do you or anybody besides your deity have the ability to be a personal witness to the individuals actions and bring about the issues and hold him accountable.
    There is, of course, no other reason to commit your life to something so blatantly juvenile than indoctrination, trauma, or fear; everyone should, out of sheer respect for themselves, know what drives them / justifies their beliefs. I have no confidence that you have, besides a possible mental blemish driving your grandeurs of an omnipotent, personal deity watching over you, any evidence (by definition)to support your claim of reason of conversion; and you cannot equally participate in deep conversation without having honesty with one’s self.

  20. on 09 Dec 2010 at 9:09 pm 20.dxt said …

    A-T, what do you think the Scriptures are? They are the revelation of God to mankind. Our guidelines are laid out by Him as to who is and who is not a true believer. It is our responsibility, as the church, to be able to discern that. How are we to discern false teachings and false doctrines that do nothing but damn individuals? We are to proclaim it no matter how uncomfortable it may be to some. If you were a doctor, would you tell your patient what they want to hear or would you tell them the situation and offer them the cure?

    Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
    Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

    Contrary to what you believe about me A-T, It doesn’t change a thing. My conversion was an utter collapse of everything I was so sure of and held so dear. I was philosophically bankrupt and cried out for the answers.

    I served in the Marine Corps and can rightly tell you that death was certainly a thought of mine as we gathered our weapons and ammunition to stage for deployment to Bosnia. If there was a time more real to me as to the reality of life, it was that time and I can honestly tell you, I was indifferent. I saw it for what it was, a sacrifice to the freedom and liberty for all people.

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