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Christianity &Islam Thomas on 24 Nov 2010 12:28 am

Hey, thanks religion. You invented the idea of stoning a person thousands of years ago, and you are still doing it today

Here is a description of a religious stoning – completely barbaric and still in use today:

Graphic: Anatomy of a stoning

This method of execution is still practiced in certain countries, notably Iran, where it is used to punish adulterers and other criminals. The graphic below looks at how a stoning occurs

A Muslim explaining stoning:

There is an actual stoning shown at the end.

You can find plenty of videos on Youtube:

Thanks religion!

42 Responses to “Hey, thanks religion. You invented the idea of stoning a person thousands of years ago, and you are still doing it today”

  1. on 24 Nov 2010 at 1:36 am 1.Lexx said …

    Unbelievable!

  2. on 24 Nov 2010 at 1:36 am 2.Lexx said …

    Unbelievable!

  3. on 24 Nov 2010 at 1:56 am 3.dxt said …

    I agree. Im thankful we live in the age of Grace.

  4. on 24 Nov 2010 at 2:03 am 4.dxt said …

    Honor killing? Like the reporter said, “nothing honorable about it”. It not a killing, its murder.

  5. on 24 Nov 2010 at 3:59 am 5.Thomas said …

    No, not religious just Muslim stonings. I know calling it Muslim is not PC but you must call a jihadist a jihadist. Jesus put a stop to that mess. Thank you Jesus.

  6. on 24 Nov 2010 at 9:37 am 6.ABCDEFG said …

    Jesus put a stop to that mess.

    No he didn’t. Do a little research:

    “The larger problem is the honour code itself. Our attention is usually focused on the overwhelmingly Muslim component of the crime. But religion is not the only indicator for honour-based behaviours. Culture is. (Indeed, in Jordan, there are as many Christian honour killings as there are Muslim).”

  7. on 24 Nov 2010 at 12:45 pm 7.dxt said …

    #6,

    There is one problem here with your quote, the word “Christian”. “Christian” is used very loosely. The fact is, no individuals strictly adhering to the teachings of Jesus and the rest of the NT should condone stonings or anything of the sorts. Its crystal clear in the Scriptures how sin is to be dealt with.

  8. on 24 Nov 2010 at 2:00 pm 8.Thomas said …

    The Christian honor killings are referring to Christians who are killed for leaving the Islam religion. Her is what Jesus teaches:

    “But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    11 “No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

  9. on 24 Nov 2010 at 4:14 pm 9.Severin said …

    5 Thomas
    “Jesus put a stop to that mess. Thank you Jesus.”

    Biblical god ORDERED such stonings and worse, for example ripping of pregnant women.

    Where, the hell, was Jesus when that happened?

    He WAS THERE! He WAS PRESENT!
    HE ordered things like you saw on this video!

    Wasn’t Jesus god himself?
    If he was, he was a bucher!
    If he wasn’t, good by Christianity!

    What a hypocrisy!

  10. on 24 Nov 2010 at 4:24 pm 10.Severin said …

    7 dxt
    “Its crystal clear in the Scriptures how sin is to be dealt with.”

    It is, unfortunately, crystal clear!
    You now, finally, saw the picture of it!

    Non-virgin brides must be stoned on their father’s trashold!
    Disobediant children killed.
    People working on sabbath stoned.
    Pegnant women ripped open (for some “sins” of theirs).
    Babies “put on swards”, also for some “sins” (or for whatever).
    Etc, etc, (unfortunately a lot of “etc”!)
    Direct god’s orders, written in “Scriptures”, black on white, and NEWER WITHDROWN.

  11. on 24 Nov 2010 at 4:34 pm 11.Severin said …

    7 dxt
    “The fact is, no individuals strictly adhering to the teachings of Jesus and the rest of the NT should condone stonings or anything of the sorts.”

    What about the OT?
    Is it a part of the Bible or not?
    WHO (including your Jesus) EVER withdraw “god’s laws” from the OT?
    Did Jesus criticize or condemn deeds of his “father” (aactually, his OWN deeds, if he was god; or, was he?)?

    WHERE did Jesus say: “stonig, dashing, ripping, are wrong punishments for sins”?
    How could he say it, without shitting on himself? HE was the one who ordered killings and torturings, then he suddenly turned to a “lamb”.
    Was he god or not?

    Dark, sad, hypocrisy!

  12. on 24 Nov 2010 at 9:07 pm 12.dxt said …

    Severin,

    What is truly sad, is your understanding of Scripture. It can take years of study to develop a true theology. When you get deeper and deeper into studing the Scriptures, you can come to no other conclusion other than divine authorship. It is impossible for man to contrive the contents of what is written in the Bible. The 66 books are precisely integrated as one complete book. Integrity, is woven into every page of the Scriptures. The Old Testament, is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament, is the Old Testament revealed. The Scriptures can not be broken nor will any “jot or tittle” from the Word of Christ ever pass away. You ignorantly argue and pass judgement against a book full of divine precepts. What has the natural mans understanding doing passing judgement on the divine Truths of God? I encourage you to stop blaspheming God severin and search the facts about what is contained in the book you are attacking. Put the brakes on your “baby ripping” assault for now and pray to God for your forgiveness. Then, open the Bible and study and learn and understand, ask questions and search for the answers. Stop attacking what you dont know. It unwarranted and irresponsible. I didn’t believe the Bible either for the better part of my life, though not to the extreme you don’t, but you can know the Truth severin. If you insist on your hatred of Scripture and plan on debating Christians every chance you get, your in for a long haul to a dead end road because your not fighting or arguing with Christians, your fighting God.

  13. on 24 Nov 2010 at 9:39 pm 13.Thomas said …

    I can only laugh. I mean what else can you say to such silliness?

  14. on 25 Nov 2010 at 2:55 pm 14.Anti-Theist said …

    These videos are truly inspiring. I would love to see all stoning televised resulting in a world united against this primal ideology. These broadcasts would damage all religions and damage them rightfully so. The cop outs given by Christians are always the same; truly any monkey can read the bible, as most atheists have (and more Christians have not), and easily decipher its intent and content.

    -“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV
    -”It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)
    -”Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
    -”All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
    -”Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
    -”Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)
    -“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
    (Matthew 5:27)
    -“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
    -“For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).
    -“…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, John 10:35

    These people hear claiming to be Christians say their perfect god has changed his mind and that they know his mind enough to tell us what he now wants. They would be stoned by the Christians who wrote the bible. They are heretics and blasphemers.

  15. on 25 Nov 2010 at 6:14 pm 15.dxt said …

    #14 A-T,

    Blasphemers and heretics? Ironically, YOUR take on some of the passages you just quoted was the very reason Jesus condemned the pharisees….Failure to see the meaning and purpose! Your post is a typical response by the majority of skeptics. You claim to have read the Scriptures but yet reveal your extreme lack of understanding of the quotes you attempt to use against us. You claim your “intellectually superior” to Christians and more “studious” than your average joe but then you completely drop the ball when it comes to the Scriptures. My suggestion to you is if you dont believe it, then just say you dont believe it….but dont quote it in refutation.

    “-“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV”

    Here Jesus affirms the authority of the OT law which was fulfilled by Christ Himself. He fulfilled it in prophesy, He fulfilled it in keeping the moral law to perfection,He fulfilled the ceremonial law and was the very embodiment of the types and symbols used and perfectly fulfilled the law of justice. These verses only confirm the superiority of Christ Himself as the everlasting Word. The old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. The 66 books of the Bible are a system of integrated teachings. These verses you quote are part of the elementary teachings in the Bible and it amazes me how you interpret it. Paul in his epistles hammers this subject home. Basic stuff here.

    -”It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)”

    Here Jesus is talking to the pharasees in the verses previous and calls them out on the attitude of their hearts. In which He previously goes through parables and expounding of the moral law taking the outward action and revealing its inward meaning. Christs revealing of the meaning of the moral law is basically telling the pharasees here that they will not enter the kingdom through their outward observance untill their hearts are changed and that the law is eternally fixed. No one, other than Christ, is able to uphold Gods perfect moral law hence, all have sinned and fall short. We need a savior.

    -”Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)”

    Again, you show no concept of the law here.

    -”All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)”

    Self explanitory.

    -”Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)”

    Self explanitory.

    -”Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)

    Here we go again. Jesus is expounding the meaning of the 5th commandment to the pharasees. How convienient you only quote the last part of the verse. It actually reads
    “For Moses said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER’; and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH’;” The first part is to refute the traditions of the pharasees in devoting carbon vows to God while neglecting their parents needs. The second part of the verse explains the seriousness of disobedience.

    -“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)”

    I will post the entire passage for you again “For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.’
    Mat 15:5 “But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,”
    Mat 15:6 he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
    Mat 15:7 “You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:”

    Need I say more?

    -“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)”

    Again, Jesus rips the pharasees for the non-existence of the inward meaning of the law. Nullified once again by religious traditions. In fact, read Matthew 23, its an entire chapter of Jesus ripping the pharasees on their religious observance to the law. The pharasees were to be experts on the law.

    -“For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).
    -“…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, John 10:35″

    I hope you can see now how you have misinterpreted the elementary teachings of the Scriptures. If you continue to quote the Bible in refutations then at least admit you dont know what your talking about first and certainly don’t call us heretics and blasphemers.

  16. on 25 Nov 2010 at 10:38 pm 16.Severin said …

    dxt
    You are again the authority for explanation and interpretation of the Bible?
    Who authorized you to be a god’s lawyer?

    Don’t you explain us what is written in the Bible, we are not blind, and we can read!
    The Bile is crystal clear, no explanations necessary.

    If your god says in the Bible that non-virgin brides should be stoned, THEN THEY SHOULD BE STONED, because god ordered it!
    There is NO verse in the Bible telling us that non-virgin brides should NOT be stoned!
    There is no verse in the Bible in which god or Jesus explicitely say: the OT laws are not valid, they are canceled.
    There is NO verses in the Bible explicitely saying: “Do not kill brides, do not kill disobediant children, do not kill sabbath workers, do not hold slaves…”
    All those „laws“ are still valid, untill GOD (NOT YOU!) cancels them!

    If you dare to CHANGE god’s words, you DO blasphemy, and you will burn in hell.
    And that is EXACTLY what you are doing: you CHANGE god’s words and his will, by „explaining“ us what god had in mind when he said something, and you say oposite of his words in the Bible!
    He said „kill“, you say „don’t kill“! Are you crazy?

    Or, do you think we are all crazy?

    You are in deep shit if you continue to act god’s lawyer!

  17. on 26 Nov 2010 at 1:19 pm 17.dxt said …

    Severin,

    As Christians, we are to read and understand and labor over the Scriptures to understand its meaning. Its not “what do I THINK it means” it should be “what does it SAY”. Interpret Scripture with Scripture, it reveals its own meaning. There are rules for interpreting it correctly and striping verses from their proper context is a major rule violation. Thats how cults get started.

    (2Ti 2:15) Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

    This requires countless hours of study and due diligence to accurately handle every verse. It takes work.

    If you have read the Bible severin and performed the above, then why do you still question the law?

    (Rom 10:4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

    (Act 13:37) But He whom God raised up, this One did not see corruption.
    (Act 13:38) Then let it be known to you, men, brothers, that through this One remission of sin is announced to you.
    (Act 13:39) And everyone believing in this One is justified from all things which you could not be justified by the Law of Moses.

    (Act 15:24) Since we heard that some of us having gone out have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, Be circumcised and keep the Law, to whom we gave no command;

    (Rom 3:19) Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
    (Rom 3:20) because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
    (Rom 3:21) But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
    (Rom 3:22) even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
    (Rom 3:23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    (Rom 3:26) for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
    (Rom 3:27) Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
    (Rom 3:28) For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

    (Rom 5:12) Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned–
    (Rom 5:13) for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    (Rom 6:14) For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

    (Rom 7:4) Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

    (Rom 8:2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
    (Rom 8:3) For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
    (Rom 8:4) so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    (Rom 13:7) Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
    (Rom 13:8) Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

    (1Co 9:20) To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;

    (Gal 2:16) nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

    (Gal 2:19) “For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.

    There are plenty more of these explaining the purpose of the Law. I hope you can see now severin, I am not changing anything, It is what the Scriptures say.

  18. on 26 Nov 2010 at 1:26 pm 18.Joe said …

    If things are so simple, dxt, why do Christians still mention Old Testament verses when referring to homosexuality?

  19. on 26 Nov 2010 at 1:39 pm 19.dxt said …

    Joe,

    All things are not as simple. I can not account for how others read the Scriptures but the NT does bring up homosexuality. While living as a homosexual is obviously wrong, it is forgivable if one repents(turns) away from the sinful act.

    (1Co 6:9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
    (1Co 6:10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
    (1Co 6:11) Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

  20. on 26 Nov 2010 at 2:44 pm 20.Anti-Theist said …

    Whatever…
    This is just the same insanity over and over again, and a perfect example of why you never wrestle a pig. These people can ascribe the bible as literal history (talking snakes and all) and condemn the harry potter movies at the same time as evil. When listening to the worlds smartest people debate the existence of god no one ever uses the bible or scriptures as arguing tools because it’s far too flawed and contradicting of itself. The religious patrons of this site are obviously of your typical bible belt, snuff chewin, gay bashin kind; and not the kind to be reasoned with. The bible as evidence is so incredibly flawed, and to explain away its grossly obvious shortcomings is to expose yourself as a typical fundamentalist no different than your counterparts in the sand box east of the Mediterranean. Hear, repudiate this… please; it proves the point of and strengthens the argument of the atheist to hear you.

    • How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.
    • Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people “to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?
    • When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
    • Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.
    • Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
    • Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.
    • When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
    • Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
    • What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
    • When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.
    • When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
    • Was John the Baptist Elias? “This is Elias which was to come.” Matthew 11:14 “And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not.” John l:21
    • Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bullshit, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
    • How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.
    • Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
    • Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
    • John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
    • What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 “And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.” Mark 7:26 “The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.”
    • How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
    • Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.
    • Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
    • If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works.” 1 Peter 2:12 “Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that … they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.” This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 “Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret.” Matthew 23:3-5 “Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works … all their works they do for to be seen of men.”
    • Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
    • When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 “And it was the third hour and they crucified him.” John 19:14-15 “And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?” John 19:14-15.
    • The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
    • In 1 Corinthians 1:17 (“For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel”) Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…” Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.
    • When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7
    • How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the “other Mary” (Jesus’ mother) went.
    • Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.
    • There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
    • How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.
    • The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
    • Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17
    • Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
    • Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
    • The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
    • Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.
    • Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14
    • Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
    • Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? “The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die.” John 19:7 “The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death.” John 18:31
    • Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” 2 Kings 2:11 “No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man.” John 3:13
    • Is scripture inspired by God? “all scripture is given by inspiration of God.” 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: “But I speak this by permission and not by commandment.” 1 Corinthians 7:6 “But to the rest speak I, not the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 7:12 “That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord” 2 Corinthians.

  21. on 26 Nov 2010 at 3:46 pm 21.dxt said …

    A-T,

    Can I let you in on a secret?….No one claims that the copies are inerrant. In fact, in the 24,000+ copies that we have today of the NT manuscripts there are thousands of mistakes found, mostly grammatical. All major doctrines of the bible hold their integrity despite these errors. Thats pretty impressive over the course of thousands of years and bridging the language gap of 3 different languages, one should expect mistakes. The legitimate errors found in the translations today are noted in the margins..its no secret. Even if these examples you chose are all legitimate, which most are not, it changes nothing of the major doctrinal teachings of the Bible. One of your so called “contradictions” here is a perfect example.

    • In 1 Corinthians 1:17 (”For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel”) Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…” Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.

    Here is the context of what Paul meant in 1st. Cor.1:17

    1Co 1:10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    1Co 1:11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you.
    1Co 1:12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.”
    1Co 1:13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
    1Co 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
    1Co 1:15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name.
    1Co 1:16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.
    1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
    1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    Here is Pauls commision from Christ Himself:

    Act 26:15 “And I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.
    Act 26:16 ‘But get up and stand on your feet; for this purpose I have appeared to you, to appoint you a minister and a witness not only to the things which you have seen, but also to the things in which I will appear to you;
    Act 26:17 rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you,
    Act 26:18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’

    Pauls commision from Christ Himself is to be a minister of the Gospel to the Gentiles. Pauls commision is not the same as the diciples commision in Matthew 28:19. Paul, in 1st Cor.1:17 is not saying not to baptize, he says this to the Corinthians because they had a bad habit in clinging to the teachings of different individuals causing divisions within the church. It was to avoid a “private cult” of people personally baptized by Paul. This is what Paul is avioding and therefore is not in contradiction with Matthew 28.

  22. on 26 Nov 2010 at 3:55 pm 22.dxt said …

    A-T,

    “• Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable”

    Blaspheming the Holy Spirit was unique to the time of Christ. It can not be commited today. If you read what was going on when Christ says blaspheming the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. He was speaking directly to the pharasees who attributed His miracles directly to satan. Therefore, no sin after the time of Christ is unforgivable.

    Rom 8:37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
    Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
    Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  23. on 26 Nov 2010 at 4:08 pm 23.dxt said …

    A-T,

    “• Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people “to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?”

    The Bible does not record everything Jesus said or did.

    Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.

  24. on 26 Nov 2010 at 5:51 pm 24.Severin said …

    17 dxt
    “Its not “what do I THINK it means” it should be “what does it SAY”

    To conclude this silly discussion: Bible says what it says, nothing more, nothing less.
    EVERYBODY can se what is written in the Bible.

    ANY additional explanation of god’s words, looking for „context“, changing them, adding of some „special meanings“ to them, can come only from god, and from no one else.
    Your „explanations“ about what god „really says“ in the Bible are of the same value as mine or as anyone’s else: of no value at all!
    You can say one thing, I will say another, someone else will say something else, but nothing of that will change the Bible.

    Untill god himself changes the Bible, I will trust my eyes, not you.
    God DID ORDER people to kill various „sinners“, he never withdraw his words, he never explicitely said the OT laws (his laws!) are not valid any more, so his words in the Bible ARE VALID.
    Ones who follow the Bible should obey his laws, ones who don’t obey them are „sinners“ themselves, and ones who deliberately change the meaning of his words are blasphemists.

    It is up to you: either you start killing all „sinners“, to fulfill god’s orders, or burn in hell.

    There is also the third option: start thinking with your own brain!
    Point.

  25. on 26 Nov 2010 at 6:37 pm 25.Severin said …

    15 dxt
    Just to remind you:
    God’s order to stone non-virgin brides and sabbath workers has nothing to do with phariesees!
    Those are GENERAL ORDERS, applicable to ANYONE, they were NEWER CANCELED, and are valid today!

    So: start killing, to obey them, or burn in hell, or…
    start using your brain.

    #17
    “As Christians, we are to read and understand and labor over the Scriptures to understand its meaning.”

    Who said that? You, again? Was it written in the Bible! Where in the Bible was it said that someone has to „labor over the scriptures“ to understand them (and to explain them to others, as you do), and WHO was authorized to do that? Please, as you all the time cite the Bible, find and show us the verses in which god authorizes you, or anyone else, to „labor over Scriptures“ and to transfer YOUR understanding of god’s words to me/us.
    If you can not find such verses, you are a blasphemist. You are the blasphemist anyway, because if anyone was authorized to interpret the Bible, it surely was not YOU.

    On th other side, was Bible written for scientists, to call for “labor” to be understood?
    What is so difficult to understand in god’s orders to kill disobediant children and non-virgin brides?

  26. on 26 Nov 2010 at 6:52 pm 26.Severin said …

    17 dxt
    “This requires countless hours of study and due diligence to accurately handle every verse. It takes work.”

    Really? Whose study? Whose work? Please specify!
    Are YOU authorized to do that job?

    Sometimes you are telling us that the Bible is “cristal clear”, and now, suddenly, you tell us that the Bible is a pile of shit we have to scratch through to find the “truth”!?
    Are you aware of your own words?

    You just keep scratching through it, but, please keep your findings for yourself. Do not waste megabites!
    You are unconsistent, confused, contradictory, you have no idea what are you talking about.
    You are silly.

  27. on 26 Nov 2010 at 7:01 pm 27.Severin said …

    19 dxt
    “All things are not as simple. I can not account for how others read the Scriptures but the NT does bring up homosexuality.”

    Ohers read the Bible EXACTLY the way you do: using thier eyes.

    Difference is in that others just read it, and understand what is written, and you INTERPRET it as YOU please.

    It is FORBIDDEN to doubt in god’s words and to intrpret/explain them!

    Does the OT bring up homsexuality?
    Is OT the part of the Bible?
    Was OT canceled or withdrawn?

    Stop making fool of yourself, I am sorry for you (especially if you are young).

  28. on 26 Nov 2010 at 7:11 pm 28.dxt said …

    Severin,

    I have given you plenty of examples as to the purpose and fulfillment of the law, it doesn’t get anymore clearer than the verses I quoted. Your not going to impose your poor interpretation and lack of knowledge of the Scriptures as to the “stoning of non-virgins” and the like as willful disobedience of God. Maybe you should re-read my post on #17. They are directly quoted.

  29. on 26 Nov 2010 at 11:50 pm 29.3D said …

    28.dxt said …

    Severin,
    I have given you plenty of examples as to the purpose and fulfillment of the law, it doesn’t get anymore clearer than the verses I quoted. Your not going to impose your poor interpretation and lack of knowledge of the Scriptures as to the “stoning of non-virgins” and the like as willful disobedience of God. Maybe you should re-read my post on #17. They are directly quoted.

    Maybe you should re-read the Bible. Without superimposing stuff your youth pastor crammed in your head, and just read what it says.

    Do you, personally, think stonings and burnings are sometimes good, and sometimes bad? Do you agree with God that these were once appropriate punishments, but not anymore?

  30. on 27 Nov 2010 at 12:22 am 30.dxt said …

    No youth pastor, just the plain reading of Scripture.

    To ask me a question of wheather or not God was justified in dealing out punishment for sin is asking me to place judgement on God..a mere man. It doesn’t matter what we think. If God deemed that certain transgressions of His law were punishable by death back then, then who am I to say or think differently? I am not Holy, I am not perfect, I am not the law giver, I am not the creator and I am not God.

    Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?

  31. on 27 Nov 2010 at 2:49 am 31.Deit said …

    dxt,

    You case is impeccable. Unfortunately you are dealing with hearts hardened and unwilling to respond to Christ. Its sad but Jesus speaks of these. Dust off your sandles. You have done well.

  32. on 27 Nov 2010 at 8:32 am 32.Severin said …

    30 dxt
    3D: „Do you, personally, think stonings and burnings are sometimes good, and sometimes bad?“
    dxt: “To ask me a question of wheather or not God was justified in dealing out punishment for sin is asking me to place judgement on God…”

    I can not believe my eyes! Is it REALLY what you think and feel?
    I knew such people existed, I just never contacted one before.
    How naive I was!

    My spontanious, clear, and very loud (terrified!) answer to this simple question would be NOOOO! An endless and unconditional NO!
    I DO NOT think stoning and burning are OK, ever, no matter who ordered and who executetd them.
    I DO NOT think such terrible acts were proper punishments for ANYTHING, especially not for not being virgin, for disobedience of parents, for worshiping of clay figuirnes, for working on sabbath, for…..for NOTHING.
    Each single cell in my body is screaming against such horror! I want to jump out from my skin when I see it, I cryed watching the video above, having in mind that stonings ordered by your god looked EXACTLY the same: poor creature who did something some lunatic prescribed as a „sin“, twisting on soil in blood and pains, lifting helplessly hands for mercy, unable to avoid stones, and finally dyng in horror, probably with one last question pulsing in his/her mind: WHY, WHY, WHY…?

    Because some lunatic said that her love to another man was „sin“ that deserves death, and told her neighbors to kill her for that „sin“!

    Do you have a heart of your own, man?
    Do you have feelings of your own?
    Do you have brain of your own?

    I am really, deeply, sorry for you!

  33. on 27 Nov 2010 at 12:36 pm 33.dxt said …

    Severin,

    You got all that out of what I said?

  34. on 27 Nov 2010 at 2:22 pm 34.dxt said …

    #31 Deit,

    You are right, I just have a distaste for the trampling of Gods Word, especially from individuals who claim they have read it and have no idea what they are tampering with. The paradox is sad indeed brother.

  35. on 27 Nov 2010 at 3:59 pm 35.Anti-Theist said …

    Cardinals in the Vatican have taken a less conservative stance on scripture than you Mr.dxt; in your extensive three year study of the bible what exactly qualifies you as enlightened besides grandeurs of supernatural, evidence laden dilutions, and the assumption that you have gifts of interpretation exceeding those of your peers. In case you missed it the words “three years” were heavily coated in sarcasm.

  36. on 27 Nov 2010 at 9:45 pm 36.Xenon said …

    Let me correct the assumption of this post. Stoning was practiced in Greece and in Greek mythology. It is not just a religious punishment. It was a method of capital punishment ancient civilizations.

    But great news. We who are much more educated and modern we now only electrocute or gas our criminals!

  37. on 27 Nov 2010 at 11:43 pm 37.Severin said …

    33 dxt
    WHAT did you say, poor dxt?

    Is Bible (A) „crystal clear“ or (B) “complicated”? You claimed both!
    You never gave us your answer:
    So, „Crystal clear“, or „complicated“? A or B?

    If, as you claimed (oposite to your previous claims, but we will forget it), complexity of the Bible calls for „hard work“ to be properly understood, WHOSE hard work are you talking about? WHO is authorized to do this work? One or two words are sufficient to answer this question: “I”, “you”, “St. Peter”, “my mom”,
    “Einstein”, “church”, “everybody”…
    You never answered that, either!
    So, WHO?

    Is stoning (A) good or (B) bad? Is it OK or wrong?
    There is no simplest question to answer, but you DID NOT answer it.
    So, A or B?

    Did god (A) mess up and unwillingly made evil humans, or (B) did it deliberately, willingly?
    You never answered as simple question as that one!
    So, A or B?

    You answered no short, simple, logical, honest question, ever!

    You did a lot of „blah blah“, without saying ANYTHING!

  38. on 27 Nov 2010 at 11:50 pm 38.Severin said …

    36 xenon
    “It is not just a religious punishment. It was a method of capital punishment ancient civilizations.”

    THAT is a perfect excuse for your god!
    Are you telling us that Biblical god learned how to punish sinners from ancient Greeks?

    Ancient greeks existed BEFORE god created universe?

    Or, maybe they learned it from your god?

    Which is the truth?

  39. on 28 Nov 2010 at 12:11 am 39.Xenon said …

    lol we learned from all the atheist. I was there Sevy, I witnessed it personally.

    Oh, just to correct you. I don’t personally have a God, there is just God.

    Later guys

  40. on 28 Nov 2010 at 1:10 am 40.dxt said …

    #35 A-T,

    “Cardinals in the Vatican have taken a less conservative stance on scripture than you Mr.dxt; in your extensive three year study of the bible what exactly qualifies you as enlightened besides grandeurs of supernatural, evidence laden dilutions, and the assumption that you have gifts of interpretation exceeding those of your peers. In case you missed it the words “three years” were heavily coated in sarcasm.”

    Nice!…. I don’t claim to have “special enlightenment”. Just 3 1/2 years of “rightly dividing the Word”. “An approved workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed”. As one who read the Scriptures, I find it hard to believe you lean on the vatican and cardinals to stress a point. That is a very weak argument considering they deny the very basic teachings. You do know what started the reformation right?

  41. on 28 Nov 2010 at 7:37 am 41.Severin said …

    39 Xenon
    Why do you keep disgracing yourself?
    It is not funny, it is pathetic.

    What will we all think about you, if you say something silly and illogical, as that god learned about stoning from ancient Greeks, then you “make jokes” to “cover” (hide) your silliness.

    Like a child!
    Replacing arguments with false humor!

  42. on 28 Nov 2010 at 2:45 pm 42.Anti-Theist said …

    The same thing that stopped the inquisition(I assume you know that whites didn’t participate in the US slave trades. It was Christians, sanctioned by your precious scriptures and through the “Curse of Ham” justifying their filthy actions. Though it was the Quakers who rebelled and reformed to stop slavery; their nothing more than more secular forms of the latter, just as protestants are to the Roman catholic church.) The same types of people will reform again; becoming more secular and falling further from religion. They’ll probably be rebelling against your kind and your persecution of gays and atrocities against women’s rights.

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