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Christianity Thomas on 21 Oct 2010 12:12 am

5 Things You Won’t Believe Aren’t In the Bible

If you know the history of Christmas at all, you know that the common image of Santa (sleigh, reindeer, etc.) got invented and popularized in the early 1800s. No one had heard about Rudolf, however, until a department store invented him in the 1930s. The same kind of thing happened with Frosty. They just got added onto the Christmas snowball because people liked them. It’s all a nonsense story anyway – why not embellish it?

Turns out the same thing happened with the Bible…

5 Things You Won’t Believe Aren’t In the Bible

#5 Angels
#4 The Devil Is Red and Has Horns, a Pitchfork and Goat Legs
#3 The Holy Grail
#2 The Antichrist
#1 Hell: Everything Other Than the Fire

Really. It’s all made up.

What’s even more amazing is that people completely and willfully ignore the stuff that really is in the Bible, as seen here:

Watch as a Christian comes to terms with reality in this forum exchange:

different perspective of “recognize we all ignore Jesus”

Would you like to learn how to abandon nonsense mythology and live your life in the real world? Here are two sites that can help:

Why won’t God heal amputees?

God is imaginary

53 Responses to “5 Things You Won’t Believe Aren’t In the Bible”

  1. on 21 Oct 2010 at 3:06 pm 1.Xenon said …

    ROTFL. I must admit that is a funny website. I don’t know exactly what an Angel, Satan or even God looks like since they can take on a number of forms but I do know apocalyptic literature when I read it.

    Thanks for making my day! Wow.

  2. on 23 Oct 2010 at 1:56 pm 2.A Romantic said …

    Jesus spoke of hell more than heaven! True, He used Greek when He spoke not English therefore for those who are against interpreting ancient texts into modern language; technically you could argue no hell. Lets call it Hades. I still want no part.

    No AntiChrist? – IJohn 2, IIJohn 4:2-3, IIJohn 1:7

    No Angels? Better read the book of Luke. Again, if you want to argue against interpretation….

    The little deviled ham can has never been a Biblical manifestation.

    Always fascinating to see how passionate atheist are to disprove the Scriptures.

  3. on 23 Oct 2010 at 7:24 pm 3.Sister Chromatid said …

    A Romantic (post 2):

    There’s no more need for this atheist to disprove your silly scriptures than there is to disprove Greek Mythology or Dianetics.

    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” –Hitchens

    I find it amusing the extent that theists will go to convince themselves that their magical beliefs are truer than the magical beliefs they dismiss. Thanks to the internet, many people can now outgrow the primitive superstitions they were once so afraid to question. Even you can do so.

  4. on 23 Oct 2010 at 10:41 pm 4.Biff said …

    Sister Chromosome,

    A Romantic was only dispelling the post which is full of lies and and desperate rhetoric.

    If you make claims, you should back them and this post falls way short. Nice try on attempting to SPIN this post. I find it amusing when atheist make claims and provide no supporting evidence. I have no need to provide a quote since I can think for myself.

    Say Hi to Chris.

  5. on 24 Oct 2010 at 1:22 am 5.Joe said …

    Dear Christians,
    if you had read the text about the 5 myths linked in this article, you would (and could) have reacted in a much more relaxed way. (And maybe you would even have learned something.)

  6. on 24 Oct 2010 at 2:01 pm 6.Ben said …

    Dear Joe,

    I read the article. I learned that atheist are obsessed with something they claim doesn’t exist, they do not understand literature and they don’t know a joke when given. Of course I would expect atheists to get their facts from “Cracked”.

  7. on 30 Oct 2010 at 4:29 am 7.ejSkluz said …

    Hi, Biff. I am intrigued by the fact that you “find it amusing when atheist make claims and provide no supporting evidence.” What a wonderfully hilarious place your theist world must be, then, considering that everything you believe is unsupported by evidence!

    What’s that? You *do* have evidence? And remind me again what…? Ah, yes. The bible. Incontrovertible evidence, indeed, considering the source: some men claim an invisible being spoke to them and all of humanity must now submit to it a do it’s bidding. Um, okaaay. If it is wrong to wonder if maybe it’s possible that these men were perhaps a tad… erm… “touched” and that perhaps a teensy portion of their stories were maybe just a wee bit fictitious – well, then just call me the wrongest wrongie that ever was wrong (and that’s the way, uh huh uh huh, I like it.)

    But even so, let’s suppose for a moment that god, the supreme being, the all-knowing and ever-present creator of the universe, really did choose to express her wishes through the mouths of these insignificant creatures (not that that isn’t totally plausible. Because it is. Totally.) These stories were passed down orally for generation upon generation, from storyteller to bard to minstrel, over hundreds of years, before they were ever written down.

    At this point, I’d like to desribe a brief scenario for you: let’s take 20 people and put them all in a row. Now let’s whisper a 20 word phrase to the first person and have that person whisper it to the next and so on until the whisper finally ends up in the ear of person number 20. Now let’s ask person number 20 to tell us the phrase that was just whispered moments ago right into their ear. I have a distinct impression in my mind of how closely that person’s phrase will match the original. Do you? Okay, good. Now, what does this remind us of? Why, the oral tradition of the stories of the bible, of course. That would make the bible the world’s longest running game of Telephone.

    But, again, let’s make another assumption that each and every one of the storytellers and minstrels responsible for passing these folktales on for generations had eidetic memories and no desire to improve or embellish the stories with their own experiences and anecdotes and that each sharing of the stories was, indeed, a faithful representation of the original. When the bible was finally written down, what do you suppose the first words of that story are? Is it “In the beginning…”? No, of course not, because modern English didn’t even exist until the 15th century. So, what were they, then? Was it ??????? Or maybe ???? ????? Oh, wait, did I get the right conjugation there? And I think maybe ???? might actually be the word for potato salad, I can never keep those two straight. Boy, let’s hope those bible translators stayed awake in Hebrew class, unlike some people

    Well, anyway, Biff, I think you might be starting to get an idea of how exceedingly difficult it is for me to choke down your gargantuan wad of
    hypocrisy. Please forgive me if I vomit a little of it back up onto your sweet new kicks.

    Or don’t. It makes no difference to me.

  8. on 30 Oct 2010 at 8:21 am 8.Severin said …

    4 Biff
    “I find it amusing when atheist make claims and provide no supporting evidence. I have no need to provide a quote since I can think for myself.”

    So you are not obligate to give us any supporting evidence for your believing in god, because you just think it for yourself?

    Fine, then keep thinking it for yourself and do not bother us with your thoughts on this blog.

    But, at the very moment you expose your thoughts to public, such as “there is god”, please support your claim with some arguments, evidences, proofs…
    That is how debates function!

    Or, at least, limit yourself to claims such as: I THINK that god exists (but I have no evidences to prve it).

  9. on 30 Oct 2010 at 9:42 pm 9.Ben said …

    From EJ:
    “These stories were passed down orally for generation upon generation, from storyteller to bard to minstrel, over hundreds of years, before they were ever written down”

    Actually a false statement. Most of NT was written down well under 50 years after the incidents. And, since God inspired the writings they are perfect in their history. However I find no need to vomit seeing how uninformed EJ is on the subject.

  10. on 31 Oct 2010 at 3:06 am 10.VMAX guy said …

    The status quo sucks.

    Sent from my iPhone 4G

  11. on 31 Oct 2010 at 7:18 am 11.Hell Yeah said …

    “Most of NT was written down well under 50 years after the incidents.”

    Actually, I have heard anywere from 70 years to 300 years. But even if it was 50 years, why wait 50 years? That is still a long time in between, about a lifetime since people back then didn’t live much longer than that. And besides, the bible was written by politicians of that time period. Do you really think politicians are trustworthy with telling the truth or giving facts? It is all made up just like every other religion. Just read any page of the bible and actually think of how rediculous it really is.

  12. on 31 Oct 2010 at 12:16 pm 12.Xenon said …

    “And besides, the bible was written by politicians of that time period”

    lol, what? Where do you guys get this ridiculous information? The entire NT was written by apostles of JC. Hebrews really is the only book we are not sure of and it comes down to Paul, Apollos or Barnabas. Considering the outstanding grammar I lean toward Apollos but the writer is irrelevant. It is God’s Word.

    To answer the question of politicians the answer is no. Look at the last two years.

  13. on 31 Oct 2010 at 1:44 pm 13.Severin said …

    12 Xenon
    “It is God’s Word.”
    Let us assume you are right regardin the authors of NT, then let us ask: how can we know a book written by men (as you kindly confirmed) is god’s word?
    Who or what guarntees accuracy, objectivity and (why not?) honesty of those people?
    They could have put in the book anything they wanted.

    WHAT makes the NT more reliable than thousands of other stories written by „witnesses“ of many strange „events“ such as UFOs, Bermuda triangle, meeting vampires….?

    Why would we just trust the apostoles of JC and would not trust Mr. Mohammed (a historical figure!), who witnessed his personal visit to god on back of a winges horse?

  14. on 31 Oct 2010 at 1:53 pm 14.Severin said …

    12 xenon
    Is it YOU who claims NT is god’s word, or….
    Enlighten us!
    HOW could you persuade us,”Unbelieving Thomases”, that NT is god’s word?

    Please try, maybe we “fall” under burden of your evidences.

    Without evidences, the NT is just a book as all other books, without any meaning more significant than, for example, stories about UFOs.

  15. on 02 Nov 2010 at 3:44 am 15.dxt said …

    Severin,

    The Bible is a collection of 66 books written by 40 different authors in 3 different languages over a period of 1500 years….and all blend seamlessly together as one book. Do you know of any other literature like that? Not bad for primitive folks. We have over 24,000 copies of NT writtings, by far the most of ANY ancient literature, the next being 600 copies and that is unusual. By the way, all major doctrines remain unchanged…..so much for the “telephone game”. I think 24,000 copies ought to give historians PLENTY to work with. The more the merrier right?
    For ones who say the NT wasn’t written for hundreds of years after the fact…..Well, we have a book called the “Apostolic Fathers”. In it we have quotes or references for 25 of the 27 NT letters including all 4 Gospels. We have quotes as far back as AD 96 from Clement, bishop of Rome, quoting or refering to 11 of the NT letters including Matthew, Mark and Luke. We have Ignatius, bishop of Antioc AD 108, quoting or refering to 24 of the 27 NT letters including all 4 Gospels. We also have Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna AD 110, quoting or refering to 18 of the 27 NT letters including all 4 Gospels. So, what does this mean? Well, we have at least 25 of the 27 NT letters including all 4 Gospels already being quoted or referred to in second hand literature which means the NT must have been written during the eye-witness generation and already in circulation.
    So, Severin, the Scriptures we have today are very reliable and entail SIGNIFICANT meaning and they, in fact, are very much UNLIKE any other books out there(including books on UFO’s).

  16. on 02 Nov 2010 at 10:55 am 16.Severin said …

    15 dxt
    “The Bible is a collection of 66 books written by 40 different authors in 3 different languages over a period of 1500 years….and all blend seamlessly together as one book.“
    (etc)

    It is maybe so, but what makes it the word of god?

    Did the allmighty god need 1500 years to say something through the „mouths“ (pens) of 40 authors?

  17. on 02 Nov 2010 at 11:54 am 17.dxt said …

    Sev,

    66 books by 40 different authors in 3 different languages over 1500 years??? How would MAN be able to concoct such a thing?……and with no contradictions in any major doctrines? This screams of a single author and is the very thing Scripture claims. The Scriptures claim inerrancy and inspiration, they claim they are absolute truth, cannot be broken and will never pass away. The Scriptures are conducive to His character. The compilation of the Bible alone is convincing enough to raise an eyebrow. If one would need more convincing evidence then all one needs to do is turn the pages and learn about the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies. The Bible is sealed and delivered to the saints as the authoritative word of God and stamped by the bloodshed of thousands upon thousands of martyred saints who would rather hang from trees while being burned alive to light Neros walking paths, than to deny the risen Christ and His Word.
    Of course God did not need 1500 years to say anything. He chose too, according to His predetermined plan of salvation, for various reasons.
    What keeps you from receiving the truth of God Severin? Why do you insist on searing your conscience and hardening your heart?

  18. on 02 Nov 2010 at 4:05 pm 18.Severin said …

    17 dxt
    “66 books by 40 different authors in 3 different languages over 1500 years??? How would MAN be able to concoct such a thing?”
    You must be kidding me!?
    Encyclopedia britanica has 32 books with much more texts than all 66 books of Bible. It has much more than 40 uathors. And, it took much less than 1500 years for MEN to concoct such a thing. A very tidy one, unlike the Bible!
    Jules verne wrote (alone!) 54 novels, 16 short stories, 18 non-fictional books…in less then 50 years.
    Does quantity, number of authors and long period of writing makes something relevant?

  19. on 02 Nov 2010 at 4:15 pm 19.Severin said …

    17 dxt
    “The Scriptures claim inerrancy and inspiration, they claim they are absolute truth, cannot be broken and will never pass away.”

    Kur’an claims the same.

    There are many books claiming to be absolute truth.

    Why should I trust Bible, not Kur’an?

  20. on 03 Nov 2010 at 2:33 am 20.dxt said …

    #18 and 19

    Severin,

    I am not obviously getting through to you. I dont care how many books the EB has or that Jules Vernes has authored 54 books. The number of authors, the amount of books and the time period would not be as significant UNLESS they were written towards ONE THEME!….that theme is CHRIST. All the OT laws, rituals and sacrifices for sin were to point to CHRIST. They were the “elementary teachings” as Hebrews 6:1 puts it. Just as training a child, you do it one step at a time, order on order, line upon line, here a little there a little(Isaiah 28:13)….baby steps, in preparing the nation of Israel for the coming Messiah, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, who was to be “pierced for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities and by His wounds we are healed” The verse in quotes is from Isaiah 53:5, a prophesy several hundred years prior to the crucifiction. In fact, crucifiction had not even been invented yet. 100% fulfilled prophesy makes a difference Severin. No other ancient document can claim that, why, because God is the author and He knows the beginning and the end. Psalm 22 tells of 11 different details of Jesus’ crucifiction…….about 1,000 years before! There are so many of these its mind boggling. So, like I said…no other works to date come even close to be compared with the Scriptures.

  21. on 03 Nov 2010 at 3:04 am 21.Hell Yeah said …

    dxt,
    George Lucas created the Star Wars movies 4, 5, and 6 and then 20 years later created 1, 2, and 3. OMG, how did we know Anikin was going to be Darth Vader! …..obviously all the stories in the bible are fake and you don’t have the truth on how or when they were all created. None of us probably know the exact story behind their creation since it was a long time ago. But just picture generations of people sitting around the campfire telling fairy tales and then getting written down over time. Stories do get passed word of mouth, so they can easily have an underlined theme to them like you mention with Jesus. And you have to admit politicians always have an agenda behind their thinking, no matter what time period, control of fear.

  22. on 03 Nov 2010 at 3:56 am 22.dxt said …

    #21

    Hy, Maybe your right. How silly of me to think that someone could not have made up a prophesy of their own birth by a virgin mother from a specific line of descendants in a specific location. THOSE DARN POLITICIANS! Fear mongers!!

  23. on 03 Nov 2010 at 3:57 am 23.dxt said …

    HY, I hate star wars.

  24. on 03 Nov 2010 at 4:42 am 24.Hell Yeah said …

    Speaking of a human birth son of a god, didn’t Perseus come from Zeus? That is just one example. Weren’t Greek gods around before Christianity? OMG, not a pre-packaged fairy tale that went from one tale to another! LOL

  25. on 03 Nov 2010 at 8:04 am 25.Severin said …

    20 dxt
    You are citing the Bible to prove it reliable!

    What prophesy was 100% fulfilled?
    I did not notice anywhere in the Bible anything about tuberculosis, atom bombs, big bang, evolution, GPS…
    The church organisation which put scriptures together (making carefully their choice about which ones to use and which ones to hide or to fake) did not even know the sun was the center of our solar system, and killed people who claimed oposite!

    Bible is an ugly book, incorrect when compared to scientific achievments (making man from mud, „Self standing“ light, without source, incestous mating against natural laws…), brutal, immoral, full of lies („ask what you want and you will get it“ said Jesus, but never fulfilled his promises)…
    A book suggesting killing of babies and ripping of pregnant women by god himself (who should be a moral base for human behaviour!), can not be a book I could accept any other way but as examples of human behaviour some 2000 years ago.

    We evolved since then!
    We do not accept killing of babies and ripping of pregnant women any more!
    Bible (and churches based on it) never evolved, but – as all the things in nature that do not keep going with time – it will dissapear.

  26. on 03 Nov 2010 at 11:19 am 26.dxt said …

    #24 HY,

    That is a VIRGIN born Son. Sure, I can see the parallel within greek mythology that perseus was stiched in to zeus’ thigh……that would parallel the virgin born Son in Christianity……I can see that.

  27. on 03 Nov 2010 at 11:21 am 27.Biff said …

    I see parallels between Buddhists and atheists. I know declare they are the one and same. Welcome to your new religion.

  28. on 03 Nov 2010 at 11:54 am 28.damien said …

    Is this really helpful or illuminating? Atheists are Buddhists? come on now, let’s be reasonable

  29. on 03 Nov 2010 at 12:00 pm 29.dxt said …

    #25 Severin,

    I am using prophesy in the OT that came to be fulfilled in the NT. I am showing the completeness and unity of the Scriptures. There wasn’t just one prophesy, there are hundreds! The discovery of the Dead sea scrolls should lay to rest any of your arguments of the church trying to pull a fast one. These prophecies are SEVERAL HUNDREDS years prior to them being fulfilled……..HELLO! Am I making sense?
    So what if they didnt know the sun was the center, whats your point? The Bible is not an exhaustive book on science, but where they intersect, they are in union. When you look at the sunrise in the morning do you say “oh look at that beautiful EARTH REVOLVING?” No, you say sunRISE. Its called the language of observation!

    Jesus made it clear, anything you ask IN MY NAME, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD and you shall recieve. The emphasis is on ASKING! Hes not a personal genie. If God is God, then how would it be inconcieveble for Him to make man from dust, or come as a vision of self standing light in the age of revelation? by the way, God Himself is the source of the standing light you speak of.

    Once again, the Bible does not suggest ripping apart pregnant women and killing babies. They were to be put to the sword for their evil and wickedness, MEN slashed the women open who happened to be pregnant. It was war! Thank you Lord we live in the age of Grace! Do you think that in todays age of war gruesome acts dont apply? No, maybe its NICE war we go to these days where we have laws of the Geneva convention and we wrap our rounds of ammunition in a full metal jacket that will kill the enemy NICELY as he is cut in half at the waist by an M60. Much nicer way right? We should have evolved better than that in todays age!

  30. on 03 Nov 2010 at 4:19 pm 30.Severin said …

    29 dxt
    “Am I making sense?”

    No.
    You keep citing a book to prove its relevance!

    What could we say for Mendeleev, who predicted unknown elements will be discovered, and left free place for them in his table?
    That is SOME “prophesy”, based on science and logic.

    Try Nostradamus! He is better than Bible in making predictions for future, just less cruel.

  31. on 03 Nov 2010 at 4:45 pm 31.Severin said …

    29 dxt
    “Once again, the Bible does not suggest ripping apart pregnant women and killing babies. They were to be put to the sword for their evil and wickedness, MEN slashed the women open who happened to be pregnant. It was war!”

    Evil babies?
    Only an extremely lunatic god can say something like that! Or his follower!

    Please read more carefully, for example, Hosea 13 from the beginning and tell us what you read: God, HIMSELF orders as follows („4 But I have been the LORD your God…“) and continues:
    „16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
    because they have rebelled against their God.
    They will fall by the sword;
    their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
    their pregnant women ripped open.”

    It was war? Who ordered it?
    Instead to use his power to stop wars, he DIRECTLY ORDERS killing of „little ones“ and ripping of pregnant women.

    Do you think I am illitearate, or what?

    A lunatic god! If he ever existed he should be hanged on his balls for such monstruos massive crimes!
    Hitler and Stalin were innocent babies compared to your god!
    And you pray to such a monster!?
    Expecting what?

  32. on 20 Nov 2010 at 2:29 am 32.trippy2dope said …

    I’m sorry and I will pray for you….

  33. on 20 Nov 2010 at 12:22 pm 33.Dutch said …

    “”The church organisation which put scriptures together (making carefully their choice about which ones to use and which ones to hide or to fake”"

    What? Is this guy a conspiracy theorist?

    Awfully angry for a being he doesn’t believe exists.

  34. on 20 Nov 2010 at 12:27 pm 34.severin said …

    #32
    You better pray for poor innocent creatures your god ordered to be killed: children whose heads were dashed, ripped pregnant women, innocent children killed in big flood, and many others.

    Please be careful! You never know how that blood thirsty lunatic will react.
    Maybe he strikes on you! I would not like to be responsible if something bad happens to you because you prayed for me. So, you better don’t!
    Use that time to read the Bible and to learn more about the god you worship.

  35. on 20 Nov 2010 at 3:50 pm 35.severin said …

    33 Dutch
    “What? Is this guy a conspiracy theorist?”

    I see that you do not know the history of the bible?
    Please read http://www.essortment.com/all/biblechristiani_rfie.htm , and/or one of many thousands other writings about history of the modern Bible.

    You will learn that Christians stole the whole OT from Jews, together with Jewish god, and let it almost unchanged to be Christian OT.
    Many Jewish authors were writnig the OT for some 1000 years or more (or less, you find details, but it ended about 400 BC), and the OT was “canonized” by Jews themselves for centuries.
    “Canonization” means: carefully weighing (making choice), by officials, which scriptures will be accepted for “official” religious books, and which will be canceled (not accepted).

    After new Christians stole the OT, they did the first canonization of their own in Jerusalem, on the beginning of New Era (1st century).
    Then, after many “witnesses of Christ’s life”, and many other writers, wrote, through the next few centuries, a lot of new stories, that became the NT, Christian church decided to “canonize” them again. It took some 100 – 150 years too, then, finally, we got what we call “modern Bible” sometimes at 4th century AD.

    So, IF someone is a “conspiracy theorist”, please address to early Christians, who carefully selected among many biblical texts to construct the Bible they liked.
    They, of course, did not only select writings, but changed (faked!) some of them to fit their criteria.
    That is conspiray, isn’t it?

  36. on 20 Nov 2010 at 8:01 pm 36.A said …

    “You will learn that Christians stole the whole OT from Jews”

    Um, you do realize the first Christians were Jews right. You realize that Jesus Christ of who Christians follow was a Jew right? You realize Jesus quoted the OT on a regular basis right? You also realize Jesus considered the NT just a completing of the OT covenant right?

    Wait, I just read some of your other posts. Never mind.

  37. on 20 Nov 2010 at 8:05 pm 37.A said …

    Oh, since you only have a 6th grade education let point out you are not a “double nought spy” and please learn to reference scholarly sites. This if from your link.

    “We are only publishers of this material, not authors. Information may have errors or be outdated. Some information is from historical sources or represents opinions of the author. It is for research purposes only. The information is “AS IS”, “WITH ALL FAULTS”.”

  38. on 20 Nov 2010 at 10:08 pm 38.severin said …

    36 A
    “Um, you do realize the first Christians were Jews right.”
    Yes, so what? They founded a new religion and stole the whole OT from their fellow Jews, and they DID call it a new religion. Why they did that, why they weren’t satisfied with their old religion, I can only guess: money and power, as always, were involved, most probably. Interests, as always!
    Different feelings about resistance to Romans, social state of population, hunger for glory, gold and power, all that, and probably many other elements, played role in establishing the new religion.
    It happens with religions all the time: they appear and disappear, they split, new religions are founded, one nation takes gods of another nation, religions fuse together, split again, depending on interests of ruling classes and other conditions present.

    I also realize that JC was a Jew. Again: so what?
    Of course I do not recognize a god in his person. If he existed, he was just one of many tramps walking around and making speeches.

    “You realize Jesus quoted the OT on a regular basis right? “
    What is it “quoted on regular basis”?
    Did Jews “quote” old Babylonian and other legends to make their OT on “regular basis”? Of course they did!
    What “regular basis” means in endles mutual robbing of religions? Only (probably) some isolated religion on a Polynesian island was not influenced by other religions. All religions that had contacted with other religions robbed each other for gods, legends (“scriptures”), iconography, ideas, rituals…

    “You also realize Jesus considered the NT just a completing of the OT covenant right?”
    Wrong. Jesus could not consider anything about the NT, because NT was written after he died.

  39. on 20 Nov 2010 at 10:12 pm 39.severin said …

    37 A
    I suggest you not to judge my level of education from my English, which is very bad, I realize it (if the purpose of your post was criticizing or mocking my English).
    I speak French and German, and have pretty much idea about Latin grammar and syntax.
    I speak PERFECTLY my own native language.
    I recently learnt English for myself, without anyone’s help and without contacting English spoken people or visiting English spoken countries, from books. I am self-taught, but you do understand me, don’t you?
    Let’s go back to debate!

  40. on 20 Nov 2010 at 11:02 pm 40.A said …

    “I suggest you not to judge my level of education from my English, which is very bad, I realize it”

    No, I marvel at your lack of understanding. It is hysterically sad. There are legitimate crticisms but you don’t even understand these.

    If you desire to discuss the Bible and its history, learn about it first. You argue from utter ignorance using opinionated websites.

    I also learned (not learnt) English on my own. That is no great task to brag on. Get some help on Bible history and attempt to learn without presuppositions. Then I will be impressed.

  41. on 21 Nov 2010 at 1:07 am 41.dxt said …

    A,

    Forget about debating with Severin, it just doesn’t work. Trust me, he doesn’t get it.

  42. on 21 Nov 2010 at 3:17 am 42.Observer said …

    #27 Biff “I see parallels between Buddhists and atheists. I know declare they are the one and same. Welcome to your new religion.”

    It is with delight, of the schadenfreude sort, that we see you again and again prove beyond doubt you are an idiot. We should though take solace that the assertions from the likes of His Holiness The Dalai Lama “Buddhism is an atheistic belief system” ( a quote I heard from him in person, and have since read as well) manages to creep into the thickness of your mind to elicit a notion of “parallels”. Of course, your irremediable stupidity predictably does not allow you to see that Buddhism and atheism are not one and the same. Nevertheless, you should be applauded for the flicker of cognition you so vaguely demonstrated- “Atta Boy!”

  43. on 21 Nov 2010 at 3:21 am 43.Observer said …

    #33 Dutch- Except for the low churches, most clergy will tell you there were many books in the NT that have at various times been in and out. In fact, doesn’t the Catholic Bible have books that the say (bat-shit Hallelujah) Baptist do not have in their Bible? There is no conspiracy to this. Also, what about the Dead Sea Scrolls?

  44. on 21 Nov 2010 at 3:32 am 44.Observer said …

    #40 A- “I also learned (not learnt) English on my own. That is no great task to brag on. ” Aren’t you a snide little twat? But I digress. Your knowledge of English is piss-poor, and to Severin’s credit, he acknowledges it. That Sev uses the British “learnt” versus the American “learned” is tyres versus tires. You, the proud master of English writing “That is not great task to brag on.” is indistinguishable from his writing (no offense intended there Severin). I might also add that the notion of hysterical sadness is nonsensical, but this is as likely a lack of clarity in thinking as one of English usage.

    So what are the gaping holes in Severin’s understanding of the idiocy we know as the Bible?

  45. on 21 Nov 2010 at 3:34 am 45.Observer said …

    dxt- I feel bad for you pal. I hope you are under 20. You might have a chance.

  46. on 21 Nov 2010 at 4:47 am 46.dxt said …

    Observer,

    I see that by your last question to “A”, shows you are equally ignorant of Scripture both textually and historically in general. Don’t waste your time feeling bad for me my friend, your a typical Romans 1 case capping it off with “professing to be wise, they became fools”. I would like to share a quote from one of my favorite reformers.

    “Man with all his shrewdness is as stupid about understanding by himself the mysteries of God, as an ass is incapable of understanding musical harmony.”

  47. on 21 Nov 2010 at 10:18 am 47.severin said …

    40 A
    Learn
    Meaning:
    To acquire knowledge
    Conjugation of ‘To Learn’
    Base Form: Learn
    Past Simple: Learnt/Learned
    Past Participle: Learnt/Learned
    3rd Person Singular: Learns
    Present Participle/Gerund: Learning

    Do you really think arrogance + hysteria = arguments?
    Instead of patronizing me, please give some arguments.

    WHAT is wrong in my short (deliberately aricatured) “history of the Bible”?

    Hysteria and angriness are typical for helplessness, and you seem to be helpless. You are not able to support your claims, neither to find faults in mine, and you only make noise, instead: “you are hysterical”, “you are sad”, “you use opinionated web sites”…
    Your posts are typically demagogue: talk much and make noise to say nothing!
    Try to learn how debates run!

  48. on 21 Nov 2010 at 10:21 am 48.severin said …

    47 Severin
    “deliberately caricatured”, not “… aricatured”

  49. on 21 Nov 2010 at 10:59 am 49.severin said …

    41 dxt (+other theists)

    It seems that the only thing that left you is to support each other, but you must be careful!
    2 or more theists supporting each other might end like in this video:

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1569

  50. on 21 Nov 2010 at 1:11 pm 50.Horatio said …

    I apologize to everyone here for the verbal vomit that spews from the Observer aka Nose Buster. The mambian dalit is full of hate and arrogance. Ignore the troll and maybe he will find knew ground to trample with his lifeless posts.

    Buddhists & Atheist – The parallels here? No God! lol

    Severin my friend. There is no Biblical conspiracy. Nobody slipped in new passages or write new books in order to gain power. This is proven with the 30,000 manuscripts now available as well as outside sources which quote the entire Bible except for approximately 11-15 verses.

    You do need to stop with the silly website you provide and do some serious research. No, that would not include Nose Buster.

    Learnt? Buster don’t the uneducated backwoods southerners you despise use learnt? Do you now embrace these so called simpletons? lol

  51. on 21 Nov 2010 at 7:47 pm 51.Xenon said …

    Thank you Horatio.

  52. on 04 Sep 2011 at 1:36 pm 52.rational thinker said …

    Nice try! If you understood the literal and contextual format of scripture, you’d understand the Bible. Instead, your approach leads people down a road of fear. So, in an effort to win, you lose. Still praying…

  53. on 04 Sep 2011 at 10:09 pm 53.Lou said …

    50.Horatio said …

    “I apologize to everyone here for the verbal vomit that spews from the Observer aka Nose Buster. The mambian dalit is full of hate and arrogance. Ignore the troll and maybe he will find knew ground to trample with his lifeless posts.”

    There’s something wrong with you and this obsession with the “Nose Buster” and “mambian dalit” business.

    “Buddhists & Atheist – The parallels here? No God! lol”

    And no leprechauns either, not even for theists! You continue to lie about what atheism is.

    “Learnt? Buster don’t the uneducated backwoods southerners you despise use learnt? Do you now embrace these so called simpletons? lol”

    You never cease to amaze me with the stupid, not to mention childish, comments that you write. Severin’s native language is obviously not English. Thinking that Observer would put him in the category as a US southerner for using the word “learnt” continues to demonstrate your predilection for stupidity.

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