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Christianity Thomas on 05 Oct 2010 12:16 am

Are Christians killing gay kids? Yes, absolutely.

Much has been made recently of the abuse gay teens are receiving from their peers in school, to the point where gay teens are commuting suicide, or the abuse leads to death. Why is this happening? Because of the Christian hatred for homosexuality derived from the Bible.

Are Christian attitudes causing these deaths? Yes, Absolutely:

Are Christians actively working to destroy the lives of people because of their sexuality? Yes, Absolutely:

American Family Association

Gay Sex is Terrorism!

Value Voter Recap: We’re All Tea Partiers Now (Including God)

Not surprisingly, all the talk about individual liberty being at the core of our national identity did not extend to the freedom of gay and lesbian Americans to pursue happiness by marrying the person they love. Several speakers exhorted attendees to help mobilize conservative voters in Iowa to turn out for upcoming retention elections and vote against Iowa Supreme Court justices who ruled that denying gay couples the freedom to marriage violated the state’s constitution. The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer, who insisted that there is no confusion about what is right in the sight of God and what is evil in the sight of God, said that politicians who support, defend, and promote “counterfeits” to marriage (which include not only marriage equality but also civil unions and domestic partnerships) are doing something evil and deserve condemnation.

This behavior is obvious insanity. Christian hatred is the direct cause of these deaths.

Are you a casual Christian who is beginning to understand that the Christian faith breeds insanity? Would you like to break free of this insanity? Here are two sites that can help you:

Why won’t God heal amputees?

God is imaginary

33 Responses to “Are Christians killing gay kids? Yes, absolutely.”

  1. on 05 Oct 2010 at 6:45 pm 1.anoymous said …

    You guys are idiots.

  2. on 05 Oct 2010 at 8:05 pm 2.Oberver said …

    1. “anonymous” recognizes that Christians are idiots. Spread the word.

  3. on 05 Oct 2010 at 8:58 pm 3.Ben said …

    There is an interesting phenomenon to be observed here. Not the silliness Thomas post her but rather the community of homosexuals. Homosexuals actively recruit on our college campuses. However, if a gay kid leaves the fold seeking help to overcome his addiction he is ridiculed and relentlessly hounded by the gay community. It is much like Islam in that respect. I know of such a program who has helped many homosexual young men. Gays insist you stay gay even if you do not want to be.

    I think tax dollars are the reason. The more gays they can claim the more political clout they can command. It is the same scenario we see with government funded abortion clinics. It is never “Pro-Choice” but rather get and abortion this baby will ruin your life. More abortions means more dollars.

    It is sad how the individuals best interest is too often pushed aside for dollars.

  4. on 05 Oct 2010 at 11:08 pm 4.Joe said …

    #3: Ben, I was a reborn Christian and came under the influence of such an anti-homosexual program. I am glad I left after two years, it would have destroyed my life. This experience was the last bit that made me an atheist. If there were a God, he would not want his church to make people so unhappy and affect peoples’ lives so negatively. I would not wish such a “therapy” to my worst enemy (if I had any). Your tax dollar conspiracy theory could not be further from the truth.

  5. on 05 Oct 2010 at 11:42 pm 5.Rostam said …

    Joe

    You were NEVER a reborn christian. You were only christian in name only. There are many who call themselves Christian who have never been born again.

  6. on 06 Oct 2010 at 2:01 am 6.Joe said …

    Rostam,

    I was certainly NOT a Christian by name only. I grew up in a family that was Christian by name only, so I can tell the difference.
    When I was 15 I gave my life to the Lord. In the following years, I led other people to the Lord, prayed for the sick, spoke in tongues, was a worship leader in my church and even attended a 1-year bible school to prepare me for further ministry. I can truly say I was as honest and sincere about my faith as everybody else. And I paid a high price. When I was 24 I left (see above).
    In case you are interested: my church was of a third-wave evangelical type, strongly influenced by the Vineyard Movement, but we were more fundamentalist. [If this does not tell you anything, look it up on the internet.]

  7. on 06 Oct 2010 at 2:47 am 7.Oberver said …

    Rosta- It seems Christianity allows almost anything as long as one blubbers “JuhHayzuz” once in a while and professes contrition, either publicly and loudly in the low church, or more quietly amongst the better washed and dressed. If Joe says he was a Christian, of whatever variety and by his own description he affiliated with one of the more colorful sects, then Joe was a Christian. Remember the personal Jesus thing (not Depeche Mode, or JC’s wonderful cover thereof).

    What is important, and delightful, is Joe saw the light. That is the good thing. Now Joe can be himself and do good deeds honestly.

    Rosta- Maybe someday you will undertake a similar path of self-improvement.

  8. on 06 Oct 2010 at 5:47 am 8.3D said …

    Joe,

    Rostam is employing the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. If you found Christianity to be lacking, then you weren’t a true Christian; you weren’t doing it right!

  9. on 06 Oct 2010 at 11:48 am 9.Rostam said …

    Joe,

    Sorry but I am only using the Bible as my guide. Jesus states and I quote

    “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”
    “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.”

    If you are truly a Christian this will be only be a temporary diversion otherwise you are not. I believe you sincerely believe you gave you life to Jesus, but obviously you did not

  10. on 06 Oct 2010 at 5:02 pm 10.Jynx Evermore said …

    @Rostam:

    If not by their own admission and evidence of physical involvement over a period of time, how is anyone to know they are a “true Christian” ? How do you know you are a “true Christian”?

    Your argument assumes the bible is correct…not everyone assumes such things. Even many modern Christians do not assume the bible is literally true in its every statement.

    Furthermore, how is it that you read the above passages and determine the message is that noone who once proclaimed they were a Christian and then left the religion was never a real Christian to begin with?

    That sentiment is simply not expressed there.

    (BTW, the verses you cited can be found in Luke 9:62 and Luke 9:24 respectively…although similair passages can be found in Matthew and John. It is considered quite important to cite your sources and you will be taken more seriously by debaters for doing so.)

  11. on 06 Oct 2010 at 5:34 pm 11.Rostam said …

    “Even many modern Christians do not assume the bible is literally true in its every statement.”

    Well Jynx, I agree in backing my assertions with fact. Please provide me a source that does not take these two verses literally.

    “That sentiment is simply not expressed there.”

    Really how so? Seems quite clear. Maybe you could provide some sources here as well. Name one instance is Scripture where a real Christian left the faith.

    Thanks Jynx

  12. on 06 Oct 2010 at 6:28 pm 12.Jynx Evermore said …

    Rostam said:

    “Well Jynx, I agree in backing my assertions with fact. ”

    You do? Then kindly provide the “facts” you base your core assumption on here, namely that the bible is trushworthy as a guide to anything in the first place.

    Rostam said:

    ” Please provide me a source that does not take these two verses literally.”

    The short answer to your question is this: According to the Christian bible, Jesus himself doesn’t take this statement literally. Did you actually read the context of this verse before quoting it?

    The verse in question (Luke 9:62) is clearly a metaphor. Do you take it literally? If so, then it doesn’t apply to most of us who have never handled a plow before. If you take everything in the bible literally, then you leave yourself no room for metaphor, simile, parable, et al.

    I’ll ask again: Do you really take this verse literally?

    “Name one instance is Scripture where a real Christian left the faith.” (I assume you meant “in Scripture”)

    Before I give an example, I would like to point out the flaw in your logic here. Simply because the bible does not show or tell about event X happening, does not mean event X could not actually happen. To reason otherwise would be flawed even if your DID accept the bible as the “word of god”. Nevertheless, in this case there is an example: the Israelites at the base of Mt. Sinai.

    They believed wholeheartedly in god and followed Moses out of Egypt (Exodus 4:31 tells us that the people believed, bowed down and worshipped). Later, they pissed god off when they made a “graven image” of a calf and began sacrificing to it. (Exodus 32:1-35 tells the story of how the once faithful Israelites called their new idol their “god”!)

    Old Yahweh was pretty mad and Moses had to convince him not to slaughter everyone (Exodus 32:14)

    This is a crystal clear example, in your own bible, of people turning away from the faith even though they were once believers.

  13. on 06 Oct 2010 at 6:44 pm 13.Rostam said …

    “The verse in question (Luke 9:62) is clearly a metaphor.”

    (sigh), yes Jynx we are all aware of the metaphor. Gosh, you mean Jesus was speaking of actual plowing? Again, do you have a source that interprets this verse other than I have? You imply I have interpreted incorrectly? well?

    “Simply because the bible does not show or tell about event X happening, does not mean event X could not actually happen.”

    Yes, but it should would make your case solid, right? So do you have an example? I have more verses that actually work in my favor here. I haven’t seen a need to use them.

    “Exodus 4:31 tells us that the people”

    Um, you do realize there was no such thing as a Christian in the OT, right Jynx? The Pharisees (Jews) were the very people who did not accept Christ!

    You realize the reliability of the Bible(although it is) is not the issue. Joe claimed he WAS a Christian, therefore we are discussing if Joe truly could be the genuine article and walked away from the faith as he claims. You have decided to challenge. Don’t attempt to get fallacious with the point.

  14. on 06 Oct 2010 at 7:25 pm 14.Jynx Evermore said …

    I apologize for the length of the post, but you asked for sources so I have quoted at length…

    Rostram said:

    “(sigh), yes Jynx we are all aware of the metaphor. Gosh, you mean Jesus was speaking of actual plowing?”

    You claimed you took the verses in question literally. Do you or don’t you? Here you admit the verse was metaphorical…that would mean you do not take it “literally”. You cannot escape your mistake by feigning impatience.

    Rostram continues:

    “Again, do you have a source that interprets this verse other than I have? You imply I have interpreted incorrectly? well?”

    Once again, in the interest of an open debate, I will answer your challenge. I hasten to point out, however that the burden is on you to show your interpretation is correct; it is not my burden to show your assertion wrong until you provide an argument for it other than “It seems clear to me”.

    Without further ado, a few sources (of which there are others):

    Charles R. Erdman (1866-1960) Presbyterian minister and professor of theology at Princeton Theological Seminary:

    (Speaking of the possible disciple referred to in the verse in question)

    ” He was not quite certain that it was best just then to leave his family and his friends. At least he wished to delay long enough to return to his home and to bid them farewell. But Jesus rebuked him; ‘No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.’ Such hesitation indicates that one has not appreciated the glory and privilege involved in the call of Christ or that he still weighs against it the sacrifices it involves.”

    Keith Smith – Graduated from The Center For Christian Education (Irving, Tx) and has served as a Minister in the Churches of Christ:

    ” Did Jesus indicate that anyone who has second thoughts about being a Christian is not worthy of the kingdom of God (Luke 9:62)?

    In (Luke 9:62), Jesus said, ‘No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.’

    In this passage, we find a continuation of the situation dealt with in the previous section involving the man who wanted to bury his father before engaging in proclaiming the kingdom of God. The man said to Jesus, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family” (verse 61). It is at this point that Jesus said, ‘No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.’

    This is a strong statement. But Jesus is actually painting a picture that would have been well familiar to His first-century hearers. The plows used in that day were quite primitive, constituting a mere piece of wood with a handle at one end and a metal tip at the other end to break up soil. If a man engaged in handling the plow took his eyes off his work and looked backward, it would cause the furrow he was plowing to become crooked, which would be unacceptable. He could do more damage than good. Holding the metal tip in such a way that it produced the desired results while plowing required constant attention.

    The point Jesus was making here was that anyone who wishes to engage in service to Him must give his whole heart to the matter and not be double-minded, with one foot in service to the kingdom and one foot in the affairs to this world. There should be no divided interests. If someone wants to serve both the world and Christ at the same time, that person is not fit for service in the kingdom of God. The one who would follow Jesus and engage in kingdom work needs a firm hand and a steady eye on the forward-moving plow.”

    Clarke’s Commentary on Luke says:

    “And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

    Put his hand to the plough – Can any person properly discharge the work of the ministry who is engaged in secular employments? A farmer and a minister of the Gospel are incompatible characters. As a person who holds the plough cannot keep on a straight furrow if he look behind him; so he who is employed in the work of the ministry cannot do the work of an evangelist, if he turn his desires to worldly profits.”

    I could go on and on. The point here is that just about any bible commentary you could lay your eyes on will interpret the bible as you have seen here….not as you have characterized it.

    As for my example of the Israelites at Mt. Sinai, while they certainly were not Christians in the narrow sense, they did have faith in god (according to the bible). Are you saying that before Jesus came to town, you would agree that any followers of Yahweh who “turned away from the faith” were, in fact, once real believers in god?

    The principle is the same, with or without the presence of Jesus.

    Rostam continues:

    “You realize the reliability of the Bible(although it is) is not the issue. Joe claimed he WAS a Christian, therefore we are discussing if Joe truly could be the genuine article and walked away from the faith as he claims. ”

    And you are supporting your claim on the words of the bible. If the bible is not reliable then your claim remains unsupported. Surely you can see that?

  15. on 06 Oct 2010 at 8:01 pm 15.Joe said …

    Hi Rostam, I am back and will try to clarify things in a constructive way.

    1. I feel it’s better not to take up the discussion you had with Jynx because I feel this would take us too far away from what is relevant here. (It is about my biography after all. ;-)

    2. If I understand you correctly, you are looking for a passage in the scripture that implies “If Joe does not believe in the Lord anymore, he was not a real Christian in the first instance.” Please correct me if I misunderstood you.

    3. IMHO the two passages you cite do not provide you with sufficient background for the conclusion you would like to make. Let’s have a look:

    a) “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”
    As far as I can see, this sentence just means that someone who looks back to his life before becoming a Christian, does not have what it takes (the strength, the willigness to stand firm in the Lord, etc.) to enter the kingdom of God.
    So this sentence is not about the question of whether or not a “real Christian” can lose his faith. It is about the effort that it takes to remain a Christian in the long-run.

    b) “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.”
    This statement just says: If you stick to your old, unsaved life, you will not have life in eternity. Instead, you will gain eternal life only if you are willing to give up your worldly life for Jesus. So this sentence does not help us either for my biography. (Apart from the fact that this statement implies that I will end up in hell if I continue my current life, of course, but this is not the topic of our dicussion here.)

    4. As far as I can see it, the idea that a real Christian cannot lose his faith is not biblical. In fact the are several statements in the scripture that someone can indeed stop being a Christian. Some examples (from the NIV):

    Luke 8:13 (Jesus according to Luke)
    “Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.”

    1 Timothy 4:1 (Paul)
    “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”

    Hebrews 3:12 (unknown author)
    “See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.”

    So you can see the bible recognizes very well that there are real Christians who lose their faith in the Lord, abandon faith, fall away. (Note that the last passage is addressed to the “brothers”, i.e. fellow Christians, and not non-Christians.) So considering me as someone who has “fallen away” would indeed be the best biblical interpretation of my case, much more biblical than assuming that I had never been a Christian in the first instance.
    (There are several more passages in the scripture that make a similar point, so I did not do “cherry-picking” here or took things out of context.)

    5. It might be of interest for you to hear that in my former church, when I said good-bye to my brothers and sisters, no-one came up with the idea that I might not have been a real Christian during all these (almost 10) years that I was contributing to the body of Christ. The only people who questioned my former faith were some Christians I met later during my life. They, of course, did not know me and just assumed I had never been a Christian, just to make themselves feel more comfortable – more comfortable about the fact that someone got to know Jesus and turned away.
    After all, I must have got to know “the way, the truth and the life” (John 14) and experienced “the fountain of life” (Psalm 36), and yet, I left because my life without Jesus is happier now. This, of course, is difficult to accept for a Christian.
    Given my experience as a Christian, I can fully understand this problem, but I cannot solve it for you. It is just the truth about my life (and a phenomenon mentioned even in the bible).

    If you are interested, Rostam, I can write more about how I experienced the process of “falling away”. Just let me know.

  16. on 06 Oct 2010 at 8:13 pm 16.Jynx Evermore said …

    Thanks for Luke 8:13, Joe! I was struggling to remember that verse but you whipped it out for me. :)

  17. on 06 Oct 2010 at 8:39 pm 17.Rostam said …

    Joe

    I thank you as well. You proved my point. You bounce back and forth. Are you now a Christian who lost faith or are you a former Christian?

    You may still indeed be a Christian and if so you will be back. Jesus gives us the prodigal son as one such example. Then again, many are only deceivers who never really were Christians to begin with known as wolves in sheep’s clothing. Judas was such a man.

    The fact you spent 10 plus years in a church doing the typical christian duties does not make you a Christian. That is just religion. I don’t claim to know if you are or not. I go by your words that you “were” a Christian. No such thing. I will quote another passage you fail to mention.

    “Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.22 Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?” And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.” Mat 7:21-23

    I wish you well.

  18. on 06 Oct 2010 at 9:04 pm 18.Observer said …

    So much effort going into quoting and analyzing the utter horseshit written in the Bible is saddening. This reminded me of an article from the NYT this morning.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/business/global/06khosla.html?ref=world

    The paragraph fourth from the bottom has a tremendous insight into the uselessness of religion, and its parasitic effect on society. The rest of the article is also great, but in my opinion it would have been better had much of Kosla’s dough been channeled into the United States via intelligent public policy ( i.e. sans Republicans ).

  19. on 06 Oct 2010 at 9:27 pm 19.Jynx Evermore said …

    Observer said:

    “So much effort going into quoting and analyzing the utter horseshit written in the Bible is saddening.”

    I agree with you, Observer. I initially wanted to focus on the issue of the bible’s unreliability but was hoping that if I offered a short tangent on biblical verses themselves I could get Rostam engaged enough he/she would be less likely to bail-out once the debate got hot.

    This isn’t a tactic I generally employ but I just wanted to throw it out there and see what would happen. Tough lesson :)

  20. on 06 Oct 2010 at 11:20 pm 20.Observer said …

    Jynx- Understand. Rostam and the ilk are a lost cause. The NYTimes article underscores the societal cost of religion. The other point that needs to be made clear in uor society is that these evangelical/fundamentalist religious types in this country are cut from the same cloth as the Taliban: Can you reason with make treaties with them? Ask the Pakistanis, the answer is no. Why? Because their imaginary friend Allah urges them on to do as they like. Just look at the trash that has been running wild in American service academies and the Pentagon. The best example is the USAFA where there has been repeated attempts to remedy the evangelical infection, and the brass there ignore orders, no doubt due to a higher calling.

    We can expect no better from our own home-grown filth.

  21. on 07 Oct 2010 at 2:17 am 21.Ben said …

    Joe is nor never been a Christian. Jeus and his disciples were sold out for Christ and never left the faith. The one who did was found out to be a false disciple. The pretenders are all in the church and the Bible warns of them.

    Rostam the verse you quoted in Mat 7 is the pretenders he will be speaking to in that day. Truly sad indeed.

  22. on 07 Oct 2010 at 2:25 pm 22.Joe said …

    Well, it’s me again.

    Rostam, to answer your question: I was a Christian for almost 10 years in my live, and now I do not think anymore that God exists. I am convinced that all experiences I had with “the living God” can be explained better in the light of psychology and sociology than by assuming that there is a God.
    I am atheist now, and much happier.

    In #15, I tried to show you, by means of three passages from the scripture, that also the early church made the experience that some people who once had believed in God stopped doing so later in their lives (for whatever reason). So against the background of church history, I am not really an unusual case.

    Regarding the two passages you quote at the end of #17, I would say they are not applicable in my case; I certainly do not pretend to be a Christian.
    If I were to meet God, I would not say “Lord, Lord, let me into heaven.”. Instead I would say: “Jesus, if you exist, why did you allow so many cruel things to happen in your name, such as slavery and homophobia? You know well that I suffered a lot from your church. Why didn’t you do anything against it? Why did you turn a blind eye?”

    I have been living in a happy, loving, fulfilling, monogamous gay relationship for the past years. I have found my partner for life and will certainly not let him down and divorce him. So it is unlikely that I will come back to Christ one day.

    —————

    Ben, I think your conclusion is not justified. Maybe you should not only look at the disciples, but also at Hewbrews 3:12 (see #15), for example.
    During the time I was a Christian, I had higher intellectual standards when it came to reading the bible.

  23. on 07 Oct 2010 at 3:11 pm 23.Boz said …

    Joe,

    Your delusion here is that God is at the root of slavery and homophobia. Its just not true. Man and his sin is at the root of slavery and homophobia.

    Also, you seem to want God to OK your homosexual lifestyle. That would be like me asking God to allow me to be adulterous. God doesn’t bow to your standards you must submit to his standards. God never promised you an easy life. Look and Paul and all of Jesus’ disciples. I would say they had it quite rough but yet praised God through it all. Even missionaries today are giving up their life for him.

    It seems they had something that you never had. I would never even attempt to discern if someone else is truly a Christian or not. I would say from you testimony, you had religion but never a relationship with God like his disciples or Paul. It would seem tough times do not cause real disciples to quit. Just my two cents.

  24. on 07 Oct 2010 at 4:23 pm 24.Joe said …

    Boz, as long as people like you do not understand that homosexuality (in contrast to believing in Jesus) is neither a lifestyle nor a choice, cruelty in the name of Jesus will continue to exist. Try to learn from this, if you can.

    (I was trying 2 years to “get rid of” my sexual orientation with the help of Jesus, and it did not do me any good. In the end it turned out to be much easier and reasonable not to believe in Jesus anymore. Because the latter is matter of choice.)

    Regarding the question of whether I was a real Christian, I can just repeat that, obviously, Hebrews 3:12 talks of a situation in which there are some brothers (i.e. real Christians) who are in danger of “falling away”, so these things are addressed in the bible.

    Apart from this: During all these years as a Christian, there were so many non-Christians who made fun of my faith at that time. If there is something that I do not need now then it is Christians who, retrospectively, do not show any respect for my (former) Christian faith. Thank you very much!

  25. on 07 Oct 2010 at 5:57 pm 25.Boz said …

    Joe

    You are entitled to your opinion. If you believe the fact that I must accept your lifestyle or I somehow hate you then you are really the problem, not me. You are free to live as you please and believe as you please. I played in the satellite tennis tour for a number of years with a partner who was gay so don’t even try that lame line.

    Contrary to your story, I know of many former homosexuals who now live joy-filled heterosexual lifestyle. Therefore if this is an innate trait, why do so many leave it? Why are there so many stories out there of those who overcome it?

    I do not doubt you truly believe your were a Christian. As Jesus stated, you must be born again and if you were you never lost it. Once again, your case is not my call.

    I wish you well

  26. on 07 Oct 2010 at 6:40 pm 26.Joe said …

    I never said you hated me. All I said is that seeing sexual orientation as a lifestyle or choice is one of the seeds out of which homophobia grows.

  27. on 07 Oct 2010 at 6:41 pm 27.Joe said …

    Regarding these “many former homosexuals” that you claim you know, I am sceptical. There are only very few documented cases of former homosexuals and many documented cases of people who got into trouble with these “therapies”. It might be possible for some people to have their sexual orientation changed or to suppress it, but I would assume these people had a certain amount of bisexuality in the first instance. In any case, I do not wish my experience to anybody.

  28. on 07 Oct 2010 at 6:42 pm 28.Joe said …

    Regarding “born again”: would you say that the people addressed in Hebrews 3:12 had never been born again? If so, why are they called brothers?
    Which biblical support can you offer for your “if you were you never lost it” theory?

  29. on 13 Oct 2010 at 11:33 pm 29.Joe said …

    For the sake of comprehensiveness regarding the topic of this thread and because this might be useful for future reference, I am adding three links here.

    1. This is a blog of a straight evangelical Christian who clearly sees homosexuality as a sin, but (at least) has understood the amount of pain and suffering that Christians bring upon their gay neighbours. The entire blog is worth reading (if only all Christians were like her – the world would be a better, more human place), but I have linked a comment that is particularly insightful regarding the question of how Christians treat gays.

    http://moremusingson.blogspot.com/2010/06/now-were-talking.html

    2. This text is a bit older (from 2000), a pretty famous letter of a gay son to a newspaper in Vermont. Apart from the individual case it addresses, it gives a pretty good insight into that climate characterised by Christian intolerance in which gay people often grow up, from which many suffer, and which contributes to gay teenagers’ suicides.

    http://www.andrewtobias.com/newcolumns/000504.html

    3. This is a link to a website by an organisation that promotes religious tolerance and, as far as I can see, sincerely aims at an unbiased point of view. The page I am linking shows that these Christian “therapies” simply do not work. In fact, they harm most people.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_exod1.htm

  30. on 02 Nov 2010 at 8:54 am 30.Noel said …

    God does not help those who do not come to Him. And coming close to God is not just mere asking God to perform miracles on demand, who are you? To know God and truely accept him as the Creator you truely have to surrender your heart completely. Meaning you have to have a clean heart, pure and holy, no SIN. And realize God as real, believe in him, with reverence. Only then you will truely accept that God is real and he is the mastermind behind the marvels of this Infinite Universe and all that is in it.

  31. on 29 Nov 2010 at 9:42 pm 31.MYSELF said …

    Thank the mercy of heaven that getting into heaven does not entail a spelling test eh? I’ll just attribute it to writing to fast in haste born either from anger or just from trying furiously to prove a point.

  32. on 04 Nov 2011 at 1:27 pm 32.Joel said …

    “Instead I would say: “Jesus, if you exist, why did you allow so many cruel things to happen in your name, such as slavery and homophobia?”

    Are you kidding?
    You think you went through more than Jesus, Paul, Peter and the other disciples? I don’t think so.

  33. on 08 Nov 2011 at 2:39 am 33.Joe said …

    Re #31: No, I do not think so. I wonder how you concluded from my sentence that this were the case.

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