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Christianity Johnson on 28 Aug 2008 12:05 am

Why religion is evil

Religions like Christianity and Islam like to portray themselves in terms of virtues. They will describe themselves with words like “loving”, “kind”, “generous”, “forgiving”, etc. But then we find articles like these that tell the real story:

California churches plan a big push against same-sex marriage

The goal: “Early on a late September morning, if all goes according to plan, 1 million Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, evangelical Christians, Sikhs and Hindus will open their doors, march down their front walks and plant “Yes on Proposition 8″ signs in their yards to show they support repealing same-sex marriage in California.”

Yes, these loving, kind people will all gather together in an attempt to deny a basic human right to a segment of the population. In the case of Christians, they will be doing it because they firmly believe that this segment of the population should be stoned to death. In Levitcus 20:13 God says:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death;

If this kind of discrimination were happening on the basis of sex, it would be illegal. If it were happening on the basis of race, it would be illegal. But because this discrimination is happening against a group of people based on religious belief, it is legal.

When religion discriminates against an innocent segment of the population on the basis of a meaningless characteristic (e.g. race, sex, sexual orientation), it is evil.

The amazing thing is that we are giving these evil forces money so that they can spread their evil far and wide. Their efforts are euphemistically referred to “faith based initiatives”, and presidential candidates are falling over themselves to promise even more money:

Flocking to faith

The article is depressing. Faith based initiatives are the government’s way to directly fund discrimination and proselytizing in return for votes.

18 Responses to “Why religion is evil”

  1. on 28 Aug 2008 at 11:40 am 1.SteveK said …

    You say that humans determine morality and then you go on to complain that humans give moral reasons as a basis to discriminate. I assume you have no problem with humans giving moral reasons as a basis to discriminate against those who take what is not theirs.

    Also, generally speaking humans have determined that religion is not evil. I realize you don’t like religion, but the fact is most everyone else does. Similarly, there are people who don’t like it when a property owner won’t let them steal their property – but the fact is most everyone likes it. Go figure.

  2. on 28 Aug 2008 at 12:40 pm 2.simplemindedhafwit said …

    TO BELIEVE OR NOT TO BELIEVE IS NOT THE QUESTION! (please keep an open mind when reading this)Lets say there had never…EVER been a religion, religious or spiritual thought throughout history. Lets say everyone on earth, from the beginning of time never questioned the existance of an almighty god. Since day one we believed that humans are the supreme being. Lets say the only rules on how to treat our fellow humans were designed by our ancestors who never believed in any god of any kind and that thought process has been passed down through the centuries to us.

    That would make us completely different people today. The way we think today would not exist. The way we interact with our fellow humans today would be beyond our comprehention because it would be the world we know, just as we know the one we exist in now.

    Personally I believe that the world would be a very evil place. More so than the one we know now. Imagine if “WE” made every rule (think Romans.think Nazi’s) Imagine what it would be like if there was no reason, other than the reasons we have in a world without godliness, to try and do the right thing for the bigger cause.

    I have faith in the human race. I believe, for the most part that as a whole people are good. But my mindset is that of living in a world with godliness. If I / we had never considered godliness I believe my thoughts would be completely different.

    You can say “Hey I don’t believe in god and I’m a good person.” But you have to remeber that you are designed from a world that has known and embraced godliness since the beginning of time. Without godliness you could just as easily reply to my comments by saying. “How dare you say this to me! Screw you and everything about you! I’m the almighty and I’m sending my warriors to your home to kill you and your family.

    So my point is this: It doesn’t really matter if we believe in god or not. What matters is that someone did and it was passed down to us. You may or may not believe in god and that is your right. But without godliness I am certain we wouldn’t be able to go outside without fearing for our lives and a gun to protect ourselves from all the evil that would lurk EVERYWHERE.

    I can hear you now…. ” THE WORLD IS EVIL YOU STUPID SIMPLEMINDEDHAFWIT!” But try if you can to imagine it without a history of godliness.

    “THERE IS NO GOD AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A GOD”…. Do I believe it? Who really cares but I feel if we pass this down to future generations we are hurting their way of life not helping it.

  3. on 28 Aug 2008 at 12:44 pm 3.SteveK said …

    I corrected a mistake you made in your post. Followers of Jesus Christ didn’t exist in Levitical times, thus your use of the term ‘Christians’ is incorrect. See * below.

    “In the case of *Israelites living under Levitical law*, they will be doing it because they firmly believe that this segment of the population should be stoned to death.”

  4. on 28 Aug 2008 at 3:10 pm 4.erick g said …

    SteveK – I think the bigger point here is that this is in the Christians’ bible, a bible they attest to be the inerrant, infallible word of a perfect God. You might explain it away as being the Old Testament, which means God had it wrong the first time, and had to correct himself with the New one? I wonder how much longer it will be before there is a ‘newer’ Testament. History is written by the victors, remember that.

  5. on 28 Aug 2008 at 5:57 pm 5.theoldtimes said …

    wow. some of the comments here are truly something to behold!
    to simplemind: I seriously can’t tell if you’re joking or not. but if you truly think for a moment that our human sense of good comes from some supreme being, you’ve got some explaining to do. if your evidence of godgiven goodness is the bible, then perhaps you should actually READ the damn book. it’s full of violence, hate and anger. should I remind you that it was written by humans (no sign yet of any help from god)? and god, isn’t it tiresome people bringing up the nazis as an example of why we shouldn’t use REASON to guide us!? Do you really think the nazis were reasonable? do you think that hitler is a fine example of a rational human being? this red herring of an argument goes nowhere because of his religious ambiguity – it can go back and forth forever. …there are enough references to god and christianity in hitler’s speeches to clear his name from atheism. not to mention that the party was pretty much run the way most religions are with similar motivations and faith-based pseudoscience, and that most germans at the time were religious.
    also, (again, if you’re not joking) your nonsensical hypothesis of a people who worship themselves rather than the one true god… is just that – nonsense. have you heard? there are MANY versions of god. literally thousands throughout the ages. and people have been maimed, raped, murdered and entire civilizations have been wiped out in their names! so how could there possibly be one true god! the US is currently involved in religious warfare. where is this goodness you speak of? can you explain why it is that the lease religious places on earth happen to be the least crime-ridden and violent places?

    note to the blogger: thanks for your excellent, excellent blog. keep up the good work and don’t let the wingnuts get you down.

  6. on 28 Aug 2008 at 7:36 pm 6.The Warrior said …

    Hey theoldtimes – i take my hat of to you mate. Could not have put it better myself.

    I would recommend anyone who reads the bible – to read it again, then read it again but question what it is your reading. After 3 reads you will start to realise how much evil is being taught to christians.

    Dont get sucked in.

    Warrior

  7. on 28 Aug 2008 at 8:06 pm 7.SteveK said …

    erick g,

    “You might explain it away as being the Old Testament, which means God had it wrong the first time, and had to correct himself with the New one?”

    Why is change or treating different people in different situations differently and indication of error?

    “History is written by the victors, remember that.”

    Is this supposed to mean history is incorrectly written? If so, how did you come to know this?

  8. on 28 Aug 2008 at 8:30 pm 8.SteveK said …

    Warrior,
    “After 3 reads you will start to realise how much evil is being taught to christians.”

    I thought humans determine morality for themselves. Why are you saying moral opinions ought to be a certain way?

  9. on 28 Aug 2008 at 9:20 pm 9.The Warrior said …

    Steviek,

    “I thought humans determine morality for themselves. Why are you saying moral opinions ought to be a certain way?”

    I never mentioned humans, i said Christians. Christians believe in the word of god and the bible, the bible has evil wrote all over it ” example – god masacre’ of ALL children just to save one!! He went on to Flood the entire world thus resulting in a HUGE amount of deaths – women – children – animals and even tree’s. Why would someone worship and follow god’s word – it makes no sense really, does it?

    What you mentioned above is not what is being taught in the bible. Humans do determine morality for themselves however, thats not what the bible teaches is it?

    Warrior

  10. on 28 Aug 2008 at 9:42 pm 10.SteveK said …

    “I never mentioned humans, i said Christians.”

    Christians are human so, yes, you did.

    “Humans do determine morality for themselves”

    Okay.

    “however, thats not what the bible teaches is it?”

    Correct. Therefore, what?

  11. on 29 Aug 2008 at 12:29 pm 11.Chino Blanco said …

    It’s disappointing to learn of fellow Americans who would stoop to peddling lies to support their position. Google “Six Consequences if Proposition 8 Fails” … these are six totally false talking points that the “Yes on 8″ campaign is trying to use to fire up their target voters. Anyone who bothers to study the issue will quickly learn that these six “consequences” are total fabrications and sad examples of ugly fearmongering from the “Yes on 8″ campaign. Shame.

  12. on 29 Aug 2008 at 12:51 pm 12.erick g said …

    @ stevenK:

    You asked “Is this supposed to mean history is incorrectly written? If so, how did you come to know this?”

    How about apocrypha of the bible? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

    Your bible is derived from people methodically hand-picking which books to include, and omit the ones that the person rejects or doubts. How’s that for starters?

  13. on 29 Aug 2008 at 12:55 pm 13.erick g said …

    Oh, and it doesn’t mean it’s incorrectly written at all times – but it should at least be obvious that not everything you read is always the full story, or complete picture, as shown in the above link. Also, for instance, if Constantine hadn’t combined pagan religion with Christianity as a political move to create harmony amongst the people, then perhaps it wouldn’t be as widespread of a religion.

  14. on 01 Sep 2008 at 10:26 pm 14.Anonymous said …

    The Bible is an amazing book. It is this huge puzzle that nobody ever bothers to speak about. When you only know the surface meaning of the bible, you are not getting what it is saying at all. Everything has at least two meanings. Numbers also have meaning that you need to understand to truly understand what is being said in a phrase containing that number. Often, Jesus said that those that can hear will understand. But if you don’t have spiritual ears, you will not understand.
    A simple example is the story of the Good Samaritan. People read the story and think it is only a be good to your neighbor story, but it is actually the story of the fall of man to the return of Christ. If you don’t get that, then you are sorely lacking in knowledge of the Bible. No, I’m not making this up.
    You logical, rational people ought to be able to figure it out. It’s a puzzle – don’t blow me off – really figure it out. It’s quite fun.
    Additionally, I would love for you to debate Dr. Hugh Ross, a physicist, and a christian. He’s logical and rational. Enjoy!

  15. on 22 Aug 2009 at 9:58 pm 15.Jessica said …

    I think you guys are just as hateful and deluded as you claim believers in God are. You make fun of people who have had experiences with ghosts and claim that when a person dies, they cease to exist at all. Check out the story of Pam Reynold’s near death experience. It was the most medically monitored NDE recorded. 1 of 4

  16. on 22 Aug 2009 at 9:58 pm 16.Jessica said …

    You have these fools who claim “lack of oxygen to the brain” and “drug induced hallucinations” as the cause of these experiences. Yet, they completely ignore the facts for which their explanations are too simplistic. With Reynolds, for example, her ears were plugged by ear phones producing a clicking noise to cause brain wave activity that the anesthesiologist could then shut down by giving her a drug to stop all brain waves which was necessary to do for this particular surgery.

  17. on 22 Aug 2009 at 9:59 pm 17.Jessica said …

    With her ears plugged and no brain waves, how was it that she was able to accurately report conversations that went on in the surgery? Additionally, her eyes were taped shut, and all of her body, except for the surgical site, was covered up by sterile drapes. 3 of 4

  18. on 22 Aug 2009 at 10:00 pm 18.Jessica said …

    Even Dr. Spetzler (world renown neurosurgeon and director of Barrow Neurological Institute) stated that, “It struck me that this was incredibly perplexing and not understandable with what we know about the brain. Without any brain wave activity, it is inconceivable to me that the brain can receive, internalize, and maintain a memory. But,AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT IS THE HEIGHT OF EGOTISM TO SAY SOMETHING CAN’T HAPPEN JUST BECAUSE WE CAN’T EXPLAIN IT.” 4 of 4

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