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Christianity &Islam &Judaism &Politics Thomas on 11 Aug 2010 12:29 am

If you are religious, facts don’t matter

Simple facts, clearly presented:

The state of Norway

We would all be better off without religion. See also:

The war on brains

Facts simply do not matter to religious minds.

14 Responses to “If you are religious, facts don’t matter”

  1. on 12 Aug 2010 at 1:51 am 1.Xenon said …

    Hmm, facts don’t seem to matter but it is to the atheist. A cartoon is cute, but a fact? Ah, no not in this case. 70% Norwegians are not atheist. Like every other nation I am aware of they are a huge minority.

    32% of Norwegian citizens responded that “they believe there is a God”
    47% answered that “they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force”.
    17% answered that “they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force”.
    4% answered that they “do not know.

    based on Eurobarometer poll 2005.

    So, why are they successful? Natural resources, small population, tight borders and petroleum which they actually utilize. Worlds 5th largest producer. Hmmm, maybe we can learn something.

  2. on 12 Aug 2010 at 8:04 am 2.Anonymous said …

    god will still be there for them, god still loves them

  3. on 12 Aug 2010 at 1:18 pm 3.Horatio said …

    I have seen the same argument for Belgium. Both claims are BS atheist wishful thinking. Why can’t they just claim China as theirs and be happy? A lot of land mass there. Maybe Thailand with their Buddhist rendition of atheism?

  4. on 26 Aug 2010 at 12:17 pm 4.fourwheeler tires said …

    Excellent post thanks!

  5. on 26 Aug 2010 at 12:52 pm 5.Biff said …


    Thanks for the REAL facts about Norway. The things that make them so successful would be easy to implement here. Problem is we must be tolerant therfore we cannot have tight boarders and we can not build nuclear power plants or drill for oil. We can expand give-aways and social programs to keep the nation down.

    Therefore to make themselves feel better, some must force reasoning for atheism as Norway’s road to success. How ridiculous.

  6. on 26 Aug 2010 at 1:23 pm 6.Observer said …

    #5 Biff- As always, you say something that puts even imbeciles to shame:

    1. Natural resources? What are we not exploiting here? And please do not say something idiotic about the offshore ban. They have much tighter restrictions than the US. In fact, had Norwegian drilling protocols been used in the Gulf of Mexico, the BP debacle would not have happened. The North Slope of Alaska? It is not economical. No one is clamoring to drill up there aside from jingoistic morons like Palin. By the way, Norway is the 7th largest exporter of petroleum, and 10th largest producer.

    2. Small Population? Think birth control and abortions for teenage girls. All paid for by the government, even before the oil boom. Few Catholics and no fundamentalist Christians. Mind you, this is and has been one of the most socially liberal countries in Europe for decades.

    3. Tight Borders? Have you looked at a map? They have absolutely porous borders- most of it is coastline, and then unmarked and unguarded frontier with Sweden, and a bit of Finland. Of course, there are not too many Inuits making a mad dash across the Norwegian Sea to hunt caribou. Is this what you mean?

    Did you also forget that this is totally a welfare state? Also, you should check out the tax system. Their tax system is simple without loopholes. Corporations pay 28%. If you are in oil, you pay an additional 50% on top of the 28%. Why don’t we do that here? The main reason is simpleton “issue voters” who are manipulated by Republicans as they have turned the United States into the largest kleptocracy in the World; more subtle than the Russians, but even more effective.
    I am encouraged though that you are speaking the

  7. on 26 Aug 2010 at 1:35 pm 7.Observer said …


    I am encouraged you are speaking of Norway as a model though- a secular Social Democratic country. By the way, I have spent time there both in the rural farming areas as well as Oslo. These are not church going folk. While most of the folk I interacted with had graduate degrees, and were fairly affluent, they uniformly were incrdulous that there were extreme religious beliefs, biblical literalism and personal salvation for example, in the United States. It was even more incredible that Americans would elect people who believed such things.

  8. on 26 Aug 2010 at 3:51 pm 8.Xenon said …

    Glad to provide the facts. One thing Norway has over the US is a small population. The fact people are not clamoring to escape to Norway, Finland or Sweden is indication enough that the US is still the greatest place to live in the world. Who wants to be in a 70% tax bracket! I always laugh when I see people who think we should copy an EU nation. The dynamics are completely different.

    Welfare states only work as long as at least more than 50% of the population is working and if the nation remains relatively small. Which is why nations in the EU are beginning to fail and the people are kicking out the progressive liberals from office. The US is seeing the same issue as more go to welfare and fewer members are in the work force.

    Hey but we all know there success is due to atheist right?

  9. on 27 Aug 2010 at 11:46 am 9.Observer said …

    #8 Xe- As for folks not clamoring to get into Norway, I think you are pretty far off the mark there. They are vastly more selective than the US. You would never be allowed to immigrate there.

  10. on 27 Aug 2010 at 11:54 am 10.Observer said …

    #8 Xenon- We are also back to the inert windbag thing with you. Your “statistics” on Norway’s oil production are wrong (eia.doe.gov, or . Stating something as true which is wrong is typical of how an Xtian of your ilk operates. That must be your Christian faith in action.

  11. on 27 Aug 2010 at 12:18 pm 11.Xenon said …

    O brings up another good point. Norway would be considered racist state here in the US because they wouldn’t allow illegals to skirt across the border and soak up valuable resources. Another reason they are economically more solid.

  12. on 27 Aug 2010 at 5:22 pm 12.3D said …

    11.Xenon said …

    O brings up another good point. Norway would be considered racist state here in the US because they wouldn’t allow illegals to skirt across the border and soak up valuable resources


    You probably mean “skate” across the border. “Skirt” used as a verb means to go around something without actually going through the heard of it. That’s the exact opposite of what illegal immigrants do.

    I taught a class for a few months that had a bunch of Mexican immigrants in it, and ironically, though they struggled with English, most of them took more pride in getting things right than the supposedly American-born religious zealots that post here.

    Another reason they are economically more solid.

    Actually, the employment of illegal aliens helps the US economy immensely, because it allows unscrupulous corporations essentially employ slave labor and cut payroll costs. In much the same way that sending 8 year old children into a coal mine to work 18-hour days. There are many negative things you can say about such exploitation, but “hurts the economy” isn’t really one of them.

    Of course, part of the reason we HAVE such lax borders in the first place, is because of the Republican politicians the dumbfuck Christians elect to public office. They run on a platform of getting rid of illegals, to speak to their racist yahoo base and get votes, then when elected they don’t do anything about it, to please the corporations who fund their campaigns and want to use Mexican labor for two bucks an hour.

    The idea that the US economy is bad because some guy named Jose is STEELIN OUR RESOURCEZ!!!!! (spit) is so stupid that it’s amazing you can hold that idea in your pea brain, and still operate a computer.

  13. on 27 Aug 2010 at 10:29 pm 13.Xenon said …

    ““Skirt” used as a verb means to go around something without actually going through the heard of it.”

    AH, yeah, skirting the legal system of immigration 3D. Du, huh, huh.

    By immigrants do you mean legal or illegal? Huge difference slick.

    Yes, blame acts that are illegal on not enough supervision and walls! You mean the illegals do not know it is illegal to enter the US without proper documentation? Wasn’t it NOBama who stopped the wall? Wasn’t it NOBama that stopped AZ from enforcing the law? What a dip. Have you read how Mexico handles their Southern border? I have seen it personally.

    Illegals soak up tremendous resources we cannot afford. Visit CA and AZ to find out just how much. Even in my state we feel the soaking. They put nothing back in the system while soaking up from free schools (even college)to medical care. Norway does not allow such stupidity. Thanks Liberals.

  14. on 27 Aug 2010 at 11:36 pm 14.Rostam said …

    This is for the half-wits who fail to recognize the astronomical cost the criminals coming across the border incur on the US.


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