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Christianity &Islam &Judaism &Rationals Thomas on 09 Jul 2010 12:43 am

Why atheists are atheists

A simple, well-reasoned explanation of why atheists are atheists:

Many Christians have asked me why I am an athiest. Here is what I tell them

What could be simpler than that?

A longer version:

Why theistic belief in God is contemptible in the eyes of many atheists: a response to a question from a fellow redditor

More importantly, how could any intelligent person accept all the nonsense and baggage that comes with religion?

383 Responses to “Why atheists are atheists”

  1. on 20 Jul 2010 at 2:14 am 1.A real-ist said …

    “you dont believe in god because you dont want to feel as if you have someone to answer to when you do bad things”

    Why do I need a man in the sky to answer to? I can answer to my own conscience. A main reason I don’t believe there is a God is because I know when I talk to myself it is myself I am talking to, not some other being. I am a good person and live a decent moral life, and I don’t need someone else that is an imaginary friend to talk to. Thats right, your God is actually just your imaginary friend.

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    And Alex Jones…..seems just like another one of those radio hosts that are good at brainwashing people’s minds. Other examples are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck.

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    “real christians do not celebrate any holidays including christmas they are pagan”

    So you understand that a holiday like Christmas is a made up holiday, but you don’t understand that all religions including God are made up just like that?

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    “disaster that will be as big as 9-11 however the media wont tell us that it was really our government that planned it if you knew the whole story it wouldnt seem so crazy”

    I actually believe that 911 was planned by our government. But that was the Karl Rove’s, Dick Cheney’s, and Bush’s Halliburton planning that. They wanted a reason to start the war and make their own personal profit while doing it and needed us common folk to have a reason to back them. So they had a reason that would favor them behind it. What would Obama need a reason for or gain out of it? He inherited a war, a huge deficit, and a bad econonmy. He is slowly trying to get the economy back together, which isn’t an easy task especially when the Republicans are blocking a lot of what he wants to pass in order to make him look bad so people vote Republican again. I am not saying Obama is perfect. It is eitehr you can have the really bad guys (Republicans) or lesser bad guys (Democrats). So if you try to get rid of the lesser bad guys by calling them bad, what you have in place instead is the really bad guys.

  2. on 20 Jul 2010 at 2:17 am 2.truthteller7 said …

    i can tell you the origins of each major holiday with proof you can look up yourself if you want to get into it and ……..christians work too but we know that god and family come first and will forsake anything for our family and jehovah because our sky daddy will make sure we have what we need if we do according to his will

  3. on 20 Jul 2010 at 2:30 am 3.truthteller7 said …

    MR realist….ALEX JONES IS AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE GLENN BECK AND YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THE WAR BUT YOUR NOT ENTIRELY INFORMED ….IF YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC IT DOESNT MATTER THEY ALL WORK FOR THE SAME PEOPLE THESE GROUPS ARE THE COUNCIL ON FORIEGN RELATIONS, BILDERBERG FOUND. , AND TRILATERAL COMM. ,AND THESE PRESIDENTS ARE PUPPETS MADE TO SEEM LIKE HEROES THEN TAKE THE BLAME WHEN EVERYTHING GOES WRONG THEY ARE SCAPEGOATS AND THE REAL PEOPLE CONTROLLING THE EARTH ARE CAUSING EVERYTHING BIG AND BAD IN IT SUCH AS FUNDING HITLER,ASSASINATING MARTIN LUTHER KNIG AND JOHN F. KENNEDY WHO WAS OUR LAST REAL PRESIDENT HE WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO BE THIER PUPPETS IT WAS TO SEND A MESSAGE TO ALL FUTURE PRESIDENTS THAT IF THEY DO NOT OBEY THEY WILL BE MURDERED ……THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT GOVERNMENT IT IS A MEGA BANK A CORPORATION THAT IS INTO ALOT OF BAD THINGS WATCH THE MOVIE OBAMAS DECEPTION YOU WILL SEE IT AND TRUST ME YOU WILL 100 PERCENT BELIEVE IT

  4. on 20 Jul 2010 at 2:30 am 4.A real-ist said …

    nontruthteller says, “O M fucking god”

    Um, where is the morality in that? Although, I can imagine how it sounds when you are screaming it in bed. LOL

  5. on 20 Jul 2010 at 2:44 am 5.MrQ said …

    @tt7
    “family come first and will forsake anything for our family”

    Well, that’s almost true. Good to pay lip service to something to make yourself feel good.
    Too bad you will refuse your dying child a blood transfusion to save their life. Sounds like a wacky belief precedes love of child.

  6. on 20 Jul 2010 at 3:03 am 6.truthteller7 said …

    OH AND AS FAR AS CHRISTMAS GOES LETS GET ONE THING STRAIGHT THE BIBLE SAYS JESUS WAS BORN IN BETHLEHEM AND THAT THERE WERE MEN IN THE FIELDS”LIVING OUT OF DOORS AND KEEPING WATCHES IN THE NIGHT OVER THEIR FLOCKS’NEAR BETHLEHEM LUKE 2:8-12 SO SINCE THE JEWISH MONTH OF CHISLEV CORRESPONDES TO NOV-DEC AND THE JEWISH WORD TEBETH IS DEC-JAN THE BIBLE WRITER EZRA SHOWS THAT CHISLEV WAS INDEED KNOWN FOR COLD RAINY WEATHER AND ONE DAY DURING THIS MONTH EVERYONE WAS SAYING THAT IT WAS TO COLD TO STAND OUTSIDE EZRA 10:9,13 JEREMIAH 36:22 SO IF YOU NEED ME TO CONECT THE DOTS FOR YOU BASICALLY IT WAS SAID IN THE BIBLE THAT MEN WERE OUTSIDE WHEN JESUS WAS BORN WATCHING THIER FLOCKS HOWEVER THE BOOK OF EZRA SHOWS THAT IN THE MONTH OF CHISLEV/DECEMBER THAT IT WAS TO COLD AND RAINY TO BE OUTSIDE THEREFORE JESUS COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLE BEEN BORN IN DECEMBER AND IF THATS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU LETS EXAMINE BIRTHDAYS ….THEY WERE CREATED BY PEGANS IN WHICH THEY BELIEVED THAT DURING YOUR BIRTHDAY A SPIRIT WOULD FOLLOW YOU AND TO TRUE CHRISTIANS THE ONLY SPIRIT CREATURES ON EARTH ARE DEMONS AND WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ASSOCIATE THE BIRTH OF JESUS WITH DEMONS AND IF THATS NOT ENOUGH JEHOVAH SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT HOLIDAYS THAT EXALT HUMANS OR HUMAN ORGANIZATIONS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO HIM JEREMIAH 17:5-7,ACTS 10:25,26

  7. on 20 Jul 2010 at 3:14 am 7.truthteller7 said …

    I DID NOT WANT YOU TO BELIEV THAT I DO RIGHT BY GOD I HAVE A SON AND I AM TRYING TO ….TELL ME WOULD YOU CHOOSE YOUR WIFE OR YOUR CHILD THE BIBLE SAYS TO FORSAKE ALL OTHERS(ACCEPT GOD) FOR YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE SO TELL ME AND MR REALIST KEEP IMAGINING BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT HANDLE THIS

  8. on 20 Jul 2010 at 3:37 am 8.MrQ said …

    @tt7

    ” WOULD YOU CHOOSE YOUR WIFE OR YOUR CHILD THE BIBLE SAYS TO FORSAKE ALL OTHERS(ACCEPT GOD) FOR YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE”

    What are you trying to say? give me a scenario.

    I choose to put my family first because I love them more than having faith that a god will intervene. If a blood transfusion is necessary to keep them alive, I will choose to have it (or whatever measure) done. See what living in a world free from supernatural gods and superstitions can be like?

  9. on 20 Jul 2010 at 4:37 am 9.truthteller7 said …

    there is a certain place for each member of the family god gave each one a specific bunch of orders one of them was to love one another more then your children and your mothers so tell me what if your child and your wife were at two oppostite ends of a river drowning and you only had time to save one who would it be?

  10. on 20 Jul 2010 at 4:41 am 10.truthteller7 said …

    you can live in your god free imagination but if i was to allow my son not to accept a blood transfusion he will live forever rather then live a few more years then die at the hands of god see the gift of paradise life eternally is a reality i have ,i think its better then living ten more years in the world you live in care to join me????

  11. on 20 Jul 2010 at 5:25 am 11.truthteller7 said …

    listen i have been trying to see if the documentary obamas deceptions has been blocked now tell me how does the documentary violate anything the establishment doesnt want us to see it 75,000 blogs has been deleted you have to listen watch the fall of the republic try to find obamas deception before they block everything LISTEN I KNOW YOU DONT KNOW ME AND DONT TRUST ME BUT THIS IS A TEST TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO BEFORE WE NOTICE IF WE ARE EVER GONNA NOTICE….JUST WATCH IT THEN YOU WILL BELIEVE ME OMG I SAY THIS WITH A DEEP WEIGHT ON MY HEART THAT IF YOU SIMPLY WATCH THE DVD YOU WILL BE ENLIGHTENED PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU WILL DO IT………..I AM ASKING YOU PICTURE ME IN FRONT OF YOU ASKING YOU TO SIMPLY FIND AND WATCH THE MOVIES FREE ONLINE PLEASE THE BANKS ARE NOT FREE MARKET THEY ARE THE ENEMY PLEASE SAY YOU WILL WATCH IT PLEASE

  12. on 20 Jul 2010 at 5:51 am 12.truthteller7 said …

    SOMETIMES I WOULD FEEL LIKE ARMEGEDON SHOULD JUST COME TO STOP SUFFERING AND BAD PEOPLE EVEN IF IT HAD INCLUDED MYSELF BUT WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY GOOD THINGS I REALISE WHY GOD DOESNT COME AS SOON AS I WANT ….ITS BECAUSE HE WANTS AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO COME TO KNOW HIM AND THOUGH I FEEL SAD TO KNOW THAT OUR REPUBLIC IS FALLING INTO ANOTHER DEPRESSION WORLDWIDE THIS TIME, 30 MILLION VIEWS ALEX JONES HAS SO I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE ARE FINDING POLITICAL TRUTH MAYBE THEY MIGHT FIND RELIGIOUS MR Q ,MARCUS ,SEVERIN AND MR REALIST.3-D HUUUHHH PLEASE DONT THROW IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD JUST LOOK IT UP REALLY TRY TO BE OPEN MINDED YOU CAN TELL THERES SOMETHING NOT QUITE RIGHT WITH THE WORLD …….PLEASE DO THIS ….FOR ME…….FOR YOURSELVES FOR YOUR FAMILY PLEASE

  13. on 20 Jul 2010 at 3:23 pm 13.MrQ said …

    @tt7
    from post#209
    “you only had time to save one who would it be”

    Impossible to say. I have three kids, each with varying swimming abilities. I would assess the situation and attempt to rescue both. Who knows? I cannot even imagine that happening. If it does, I’ll let you know what transpired.

    Now you imagine that your son requires a life saving blood transfusion. Will you let him die in your arms or hand him to a doctor? In your mind the only way you can show your love for your child is to allow them to die. Isn’t that sick?

  14. on 20 Jul 2010 at 4:20 pm 14.truthteller7 said …

    now if god exsists and he was dying i would rather let him live in a paradise earth then live in hunger and abuse which is gonna happen really soon in america we will be a third world country and martial law is in america sooo…..id rather let him be remembeed by god because in gods memory are those going to paradise that have already passed away.thata means alot of your relatives will be there care to join me?…….and look up alex jones movies obams deception and fall of the republic

  15. on 20 Jul 2010 at 4:49 pm 15.truthteller7 said …

    i also want to let you know that never in history has google or youtube put a video back online after the user erases it(remember the government hacked alex jones computers to erase the videos)and now youtube and google erased most other links to obamas deception so that they can make you RENT the movie for 2.95 dont be fooled there are still links to view it for free alex jones wanted everyone to view it for free so please if you like america as a free country you have to protect freedom of speach no matter whats being said

  16. on 20 Jul 2010 at 4:55 pm 16.truthteller7 said …

    i have never seen the movie ROAD WARRIORS but many people believe that this is the kind of depression we are going to go into so im gonna watch it. i hope you do too ,ROAD WARRIORS

  17. on 20 Jul 2010 at 4:55 pm 17.MrQ said …

    @tt7
    “if god exsists”

    That is one big “IF”. You put a lot of faith in that which you cannot see or prove.
    Isn’t there a bible story of someone commanded by god to kill his son? He chose to carry out the order and at the last moment god said “just kidding, I was testing you”. Can’t imagine that many happy family dinners took place after that.
    I see how xtian love works, obey that voice in your head, obey the mistranslated texts, and sacrifice your children in the process. Interesting!!
    I will raise my kids without that sort of love. Thanks anyway.

  18. on 20 Jul 2010 at 5:40 pm 18.truthteller7 said …

    well first of all god stoped abraham and told him to sacrafice the lamb stuck in the bushes beside him instead .and abraham was willing to kill his son because he knew that jehovah promised him that he would have a son and would not brake his promise .so he had faith that jehovah is all powerfull that as soon as he killed his son ,jehovah would bring him back to life and that faith was rewarded. and by the way gods prophecies has surely not failed infact one by one they have been fullfilled its amazing if you actually study revalations and daniel …..remember that was the old testament(abraham) in the new testament god says not to sacrafice your children that includes letting them go to war but i bet you would be happy if your child chose to be in the military fighting for something that REALLY doesnt care about you isnt that the same thing as sacraficing your children

  19. on 20 Jul 2010 at 5:41 pm 19.truthteller7 said …

    with yet another valid point why dont you join me in eternal blissfull life id love to meet the family

  20. on 20 Jul 2010 at 8:58 pm 20.ihaveseenthelight said …

    truthteller7

    I really know what you mean. The Old Testament of Abraham is SO not the New Testament at all. That was for THEN, this is for NOW.

    So while the two are INEXTRICABLY linked, it just shows how MERCIFUL God became by SACRIFICING His only Son.

  21. on 20 Jul 2010 at 10:05 pm 21.truthteller7 said …

    God was always merciful in the bible the attribute it says god has is that he can not lie,he who doent know love doesn’t know god because he is love,and most of all he does not change people need to take responsibility for their actions and realise it is satan who influences bad things not god.and thank you its nice to read words from a christian brave enough to come to this athiest site.oh and fellows my computer got a virus when I tried to see anything on google involving obamas deception so I’m now using my blackberry I told you the government is pure evil trust me you need jehovah for what’s about to happen

  22. on 20 Jul 2010 at 11:33 pm 22.MrQ said …

    @tt7
    “God was always merciful in the bible”

    Like when he flooded the earth and killed every baby, pregnant woman, and person who was unaware of his demands (think Eskimoos, South Americans, Asians, Africans, Australians, etc). All killed. I call that genocide. And you say it’s merciful. Huh? I must look up my dictionary definitions.

    “why dont you join me in eternal blissfull life id love to meet the family”

    I will take a pass on that. Somehow we manage just fine without invisible means of support.

  23. on 21 Jul 2010 at 1:13 am 23.truthteller7 said …

    First of all people were not in those parts of the world at that time and god gave everyone notice 50 years of notice just like he’s given you

  24. on 21 Jul 2010 at 1:43 am 24.MrQ said …

    @tt7
    “First of all people were not in those parts of the world at that time”

    See, there you go… not thinking again. Try honing your critical thinking and analyzing. Do some real research and you might discover the truth…be a truthseeker before you call yourself a truthteller. Alex Jones does not count as a reliable source…the man is an entertainer feeding into the nutty conspiracy theorists biases.

    50 years of notice? Nobody called, nobody told me. Shit, how much time we got left? And then what? You said he’s given ME 50 years or do you mean us ALL? Crap, I hope it’s not just me!!!!

  25. on 21 Jul 2010 at 1:57 am 25.A real-ist said …

    nontruthteller has failed in grammar (please write in sentences and not one long run on sentence), science, and history. You never did tell me your education level. Did you graduate high school and if so was it just barely? And you are trying to give us history lessons on what a book written a long time ago says? You ever watch the movie called “The Invention of Lying” that just came out not too long ago? It gives a great example on how religions were formed based on a lie and everyone thought they were real because it comforted them. One character decided to just drink his life away because he thought he would then die quicker and go to the place in the sky for eternity living in his own mansion. Kind of sounds like you, nontruthteller. You would rather have your son and yourself die as early as possible so you can get to heaven quicker. But what about all other animals on the planet? Why don’t they get to go to your heaven? They have skin, bones, blood, organs, a brain, etc just like you and I. What makes us so special and them not? You do realize that we are animals as well, it is just that we developed our brain better through evolution and became the smartest of the animals. This does not mean we have a soul and get eternal life in heaven after we die. In fact, when we die we turn to nothing just like all other living things. Our chemical reactions that make us live stop. Another way to look at it is using the example when we sleep. We fall asleep and when we wake up time seemed to fly by so fast. That is because the part of the brain that gives us consciousness isn’t active at the time. In a way it resembles what happens to that part of the brain when we die. Our conscious state doesn’t exist anymore, just like it didn’t exist before we were born. Another thing I want to mention is that you agree that all other religions are made up, but yours is correct? How can you not think your religion isn’t made up as well as those? The idea of God(s) was invented to ease people’s minds and give them hope. It was also used as power to rule over people. It also has been a gap to things we don’t understand. Take rainbows for exmaple. You claim God formed rainbows. As mentioned before, rainbows come from sun rays colliding with rain drops. You mean to tell me that before God created the rainbows that when sun rays hit rain drops that a prism didn’t happen? And look at the Gods of other religions. Sun god, god of thunder, etc. We now understand what the sun is and where thunder comes from, that is why those gods don’t exist anymore. Are you starting to get the idea? So all I have to say is that I think it would be best to try to live as long as you can and enjoy the little things, because it is the only time we have.

  26. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:11 am 26.truthteller7 said …

    You also have to see that everyone has an opinion on whats right and wrong and often people allow bad experiences to corrupt their opinions so no matter what they think there really is facts on what’s right and what’s wrong but if there was no god and everyone were athiests then the world would be the same and people would let greed conquer them and end up with everyone dead really think about it ….if god didn’t exsist then don’t you think eventually man will destroy themselves or the planet

  27. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:26 am 27.A real-ist said …

    Aren’t we alrady destroying our planet? Most wars are religous wars and most people don’t care about polluting our planet. They think it is God’s will. I think if we all were atheists most of us would understand that living as long as possible is the ultimate goal, and if it means not killing your neighbors so that they don’t kill you, then we would have a better society because of it.

  28. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:28 am 28.truthteller7 said …

    The bible says you are concious of nothing when you die so I know I’m not goin to heaven only 144000 so if you are going to talk crap about my religion atleast know my beliefs and I didn’t say you were warned for 50 years the people in noahs days were warned for 50 years and evolution is a religion that needs more faith to believe in then real religion you fool plus you should watch the 2 hour movie obamas deception b4 u judge it just because you hate me

  29. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:34 am 29.A real-ist said …

    The bible also says that light was created before the sun. Think about that one.

  30. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:44 am 30.A real-ist said …

    According to Scripture, God “created the heaven and the earth” on Day One of Creation Week (Genesis 1:1). Initially all was dark, until God said, “Let there be light” (v. 3). Days Two and Three saw the oceans, firmament (or atmosphere), continents, and plants formed, as the earth was being progressively prepared for man’s habitation. It was on Day Four that God created the sun, moon, and stars.

    Isn’t it kind of hard to have light and plants before the sun was created?

  31. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:52 am 31.A real-ist said …

    “evolution is a religion that needs more faith to believe in then real religion”

    Really? Faith means believing in something where there is no actual proof. I think fossil records prove evolution. Where is the real proof of a God?

  32. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:55 am 32.A real-ist said …

    “The bible says you are concious of nothing when you die”

    So you agree that souls don’t exist then.

  33. on 21 Jul 2010 at 2:59 am 33.truthteller7 said …

    Ahahahahahahahahahah the light he created was the sun that’s how it became light the night a first day ahahahahahahahah it seems you boys haven’t read past genesis that all your questions haven’t gotten past pg 30 ahahahahahahahahahahahahah I love you guys you make me laugh

  34. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:04 am 34.A real-ist said …

    Day One: Initially all was dark, until God said, “Let there be light”

    Day Four: God created the sun, moon, and stars.

    nontruthteller says, “the light he created was the sun that’s how it became light the night a first day”

    But if the light he created was the sun, then how did he create light on day one and then the sun on day four? Do you not understand this?

  35. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:19 am 35.A real-ist said …

    By the way, nontruthteller, just to give you a little background on me, I grew up as a Christian until after my first few years of college. That is when I woke up and realized everything I had drilled into me was all fake. I used what I learned in science and history to determine this. That is why it is important to get a good education, so that way you can use real facts to help you learn to think for yourself. Getting brainwashed into believing something is true without letting yourself question it isn’t a good way to go about it. Education helps determine the difference between what is made up and what is reality. That is why the majority of religious people are uneducated and the majority of non-relgious people are educated.

  36. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:32 am 36.truthteller7 said …

    The soul is not something that lives when you die the soul in true christian belief is your life that is the soul and the real bible does not say it that way reread it and evolution is a long story but on this small phone I don’t want to explain it but I will there are two forms of evolution microevolution and macroevolution .now macroevolution is when over billions of years one species can change slowly into another species such as ape into humans charles darwin who was the inventor of this unproved theory he had done an experiment with some different types of finch birds he mated the birds and when all but one kind had lived and all the others died he thought he created the theory of evolution so then in present times scientists realized that the birds that lived only lived during a certain season and on other seasons other kinds would live so they saw he jumped to a conclusion the famous scientist name lonning had stated many scientist would rather take the ideas of unproven science then accept the idea of a creator sooo scientists today have spent billions of money on trying to prove this theory on a specific project I can’t remember the name but anyway they mated different animals in different areas and weather but the animals were never as good as the originals and have all died so if you believe in evolution you will have to dissregard the failed experiment of its creator darwin and believe these men conducted their exams unbiaslly and the fact that all the money and years they spent and can’t replicate evolution but there’s way more….this stuff is better then what I have just said

  37. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:36 am 37.truthteller7 said …

    The first step of being a man is being humble 7182574165 I don’t like texting this stuff on my phone I. Have a virus on my computer my name is jacet

  38. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:41 am 38.A real-ist said …

    The example you gave studied one generation’s offspring. You do realize that evolution happens over many, many generations and not overnight. And evolution doesn’t just involve mating of different species.

  39. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:43 am 39.A real-ist said …

    The soul has often been deemed integral or essential to consciousness and personality, and may be synonymous with spirit, mind or self.

  40. on 21 Jul 2010 at 3:49 am 40.truthteller7 said …

    Remember my christian religion is pure so you might not be reading well because my bible says man was created the sixth day and on the fourth it explains the luminaries that he put up to separate day and night and prove as signs for seasons days and years and etc

  41. on 21 Jul 2010 at 4:00 am 41.A real-ist said …

    Again:

    Day One: Initially all was dark, until God said, “Let there be light”

    Day Four: God created the sun, moon, and stars.

    nontruthteller says, “my bible says man was created the sixth day and on the fourth it explains the luminaries that he put up to separate day and night and prove as signs for seasons days and years and etc”

    You repeated what I said on the fourth day and you mentioned the sixth day, but what I am referring to is the first day compared to the fourth day.

  42. on 21 Jul 2010 at 4:03 am 42.truthteller7 said …

    Its not for conciousness its just your life and that includes the life that jesus has provided with his sacrafice in other wordS the only reason why people associate the soul with morals is because if you do not serve god you give your life(soul) for material things or for sex that god will come and say to you(metaphor)that you gave the chance at life in paradise for fleshly deSires and the schemes of the devil but you should ask a jehovahs witness elder to explain it better if you don’t get it

  43. on 21 Jul 2010 at 4:13 am 43.truthteller7 said …

    To your comment about evolution taking time we know that but charles darwin who created the theory didn’t even conduct a proper experiment because he was biased and had something to prove there are more flaws with evolution bigger ones but I’ll have to charge my phone and sleep cus I’m in newyork and its 12 12 here night night

  44. on 21 Jul 2010 at 5:02 am 44.truthteller7 said …

    I see I’m am not getting anywhere with you now just because you feel as if the stories you have heard of and have not read is crazy doesn’t make it so and just because you can’t understand how it did happen doesn’t mean he never exsisted so I hope you haven’t just thrown everything aside and try to learn but whatever I tried

  45. on 21 Jul 2010 at 6:54 pm 45.i belive in god said …

    when u try to reach the truth about Great god dont ever use the bible cause u will find loooooooooots of obists u have to use the correct book the holy q,oraan if u used the bible any one dont belive in god will make u so shy and dont find a word to answer but if u used the holy q,oraan u will find the correct answear about why god made us and why there is poor and ricth ppl and what will happen for us when we dided and all of this with very very intellgent reasons and proves . thanks god for everything i have in my life

  46. on 21 Jul 2010 at 9:29 pm 46.Marcus said …

    @ i believe in god & truthteller7

    So, which one of you delusional lunatics represents the real, the one and only god?

    Please submit your answers of 90 words or less and our panel of enlightened atheists will judge you on style, presentation and content.

    (All we need now is a contribution from some orthodox jews and here comes World War 3, baby!)

  47. on 21 Jul 2010 at 9:40 pm 47.Merlin said …

    “Please submit your answers of 90 words or less and our panel of enlightened atheists will judge you on style, presentation and content.”

    Mark

    Still alive? LOL, you present your evidence for no God in 500 words or less and have it submitted by 8AM tomorrow morning.

    Second, I checked with Habitat for Humanity and you still have not sent in your check. You also have failed to provided the public acknowledgment for God’s existence.

    Last,your logic paradigm has still not submitted to support your position. Hop to it.

  48. on 21 Jul 2010 at 11:21 pm 48.Marcus said …

    Merlin

    Yes, sorry to disappoint, but I am indeed still alive. Who would have thought it?! I mean, surely god – someone’s god – would have done for me by now.

    “KER-BOOM! Have that, you atheist scumbag!”

    But no. I’m actually still waiting for that old bolt of lightning to blast me into hell.

    By the way, the challenge still stands – just let me know when you want the countdown to begin. Or don’t you have the balls to put it to the test? Surely, surely you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by giving it a go. I mean, why would you NOT want to prove that your god is still more powerful than his enemies (and fuck knows, he apparently wiped out a load of those back in the day!). However, I completely appreciate that you will disregard this point in your next post and pretend it never existed.

    But hey, let’s face it, don’t be embarrassed – really, why would you carry on believing your god is all powerful? He hasn’t had much of a presence for the past couple of millennia, has he. As in complete radio silence. (Strange that. You would have thought he’d be making the odd appearance now we have mass media and the such.) So perhaps he’s having a little nap. Or maybe he just went and died in a room that no one ever visits anymore. Or could it be that like santa clause and the tooth fairy, he really never existed at all.

    My money’s on the latter. So’s my life if you’ve got the courage of your convictions to put it to the test. But yet again you won’t. Because you know I will win.

  49. on 21 Jul 2010 at 11:37 pm 49.Merlin said …

    I took your challenge Mark. You seem to have problems with logic and how your High school stunts fails the test. Do not atheist corner the market on science? Stunts do not disprove a thing other than your intelligence. But you can still prove me wrong. Present your logical paradigm. It is that simple and then I will succumb to your wisdom.

    Maybe that is too big a word for you?

  50. on 22 Jul 2010 at 12:18 pm 50.Anonymous said …

    Merlin wrote:

    “Please submit your answers of 90 words or less and our panel of enlightened atheists will judge you on style, presentation and content.”
    Mark
    Still alive? LOL, you present your evidence for no God in 500 words or less and have it submitted by 8AM tomorrow morning.

    I’ll field this one if Martin doesn’t mind. The evidence we have for “no God” is the same evidence YOU have for no Quetzlcoatl, Loch Ness Monster, horoscopes and reincarnated Elvis! That is to say — there is no evidence for any of them, that’s why it’s obvious they don’t exist.

    It’s funny, because I’m sure you agree with us that all these fairy tales for grownups are stupid ideas. You are an atheist in regard to Quetzlcoatl and Ra. But you refuse to go one further and say the same about another equally silly fairy tale, because it’s the one that was drummed into your head as real as a small child.

    Was that less than 500 words? I think so.

  51. on 22 Jul 2010 at 12:36 pm 51.3D said …

    Sorry, Anonymous 250 was me.

  52. on 22 Jul 2010 at 1:46 pm 52.Merlin said …

    3D

    You should have renamed anonymous. It would have been less embarrassing. You, like Mark, only offer up fallacies and logical paradigms that do not exist. Then you proceed to the “small child” digression (you have zero knowledge)which has absolutely no bearing on the existence of God.

    If Ra does not exist then a God does not exist is not a logical conclusion. C’mon, you can do better…yes? It’s funny, because I am sure you recognize the elementary fault in the logic here. I’m sure you also recognize the obvious answer.

  53. on 22 Jul 2010 at 3:59 pm 53.MrQ said …

    “you recognize the elementary fault in the logic here. I’m sure you also recognize the obvious answer.”

    And that would be that Merl has decided to “appeal to fantasy” to prop up an invisible, all powerful, all-loving, all-seeing sky daddy -the xtian god of the bible. Rejecting the obvious only real and true omnimax entity, FSM.
    May his noodly appendage smack you upside your stupid head.

  54. on 22 Jul 2010 at 5:10 pm 54.charles said …

    the bible is just a bunch of stories about events that never happened and people who never existed.

  55. on 22 Jul 2010 at 7:28 pm 55.Marcus said …

    You see, Merlin, the trouble with you and people like you is you have nothing to offer. You are incapable of debate or trying to establish a point of view. You can’t engage in anything that even remotely resembles an adult discussion. You are programmed to deflect and spoil. No more. And let’s face it, that is precisely why you are here. You haven’t got anything of your own to say, no original thought or point of view. You are spoilers, time wasters and peddlers of obfuscation (go look it up, son).

    So when I ask a simple question, you can’t give a yes or no answer, all you can do is reply with yet another pathetic deflection, ie:

    “You seem to have problems with logic and how your High school stunts fails the test. Do not atheist corner the market on science? Stunts do not disprove a thing other than your intelligence. But you can still prove me wrong. Present your logical paradigm. It is that simple and then I will succumb to your wisdom.”

    And by the way, what the feck does “Do not atheist corner the market on science?” mean?

    Like everything you stand for, my friend, it is complete nonsense.

  56. on 22 Jul 2010 at 7:50 pm 56.charles said …

    the notion of god is the biggest load of nonsense ever concocted.

  57. on 22 Jul 2010 at 8:01 pm 57.Marcus said …

    @ charles

    I know it’s hard to think of anything more nonsensical than merlin, but you are right – god would just about take the biscuit.

  58. on 22 Jul 2010 at 8:07 pm 58.Marcus said …

    Having said that, I’m now wondering if truthteller7 might just edge it on a sheer insane/hysterical/I-need-psychiatric-help level.

    What do you reckon?

  59. on 22 Jul 2010 at 11:08 pm 59.Merlin said …

    “You haven’t got anything of your own to say, no original thought or point of view.”

    You mean something like “God didn’t kill me so he aien’t real”. No, you are correct I have nothing that classic.

    Again, simply provide you logical paradigm and I have promised to proclaim you the winner. I keep my promises. Stop the digression and the insults. Put up or just shut up. If we xitians are so irrational it should be a simple task.

    I look forward to your victory.

    Oh, and atheist corner the market due to the fact your priest (Pastor Dawkins) claims Christians cannot be real scientist in his disposition on Dr Francis Collins. Sorry Mark, thought you had been informed.

  60. on 23 Jul 2010 at 12:27 am 60.Horatio said …

    Merlin

    You mistake is assuming Marcus has any clue about paradigms or logic.

    They cannot even deal with the question of God but rather they bypass and delve into which God. Changing the subject is the only argument.

  61. on 23 Jul 2010 at 1:32 am 61.A real-ist said …

    Nothing can exist outside existence, so God cannot exist outside existence. If you think God exists inside existence and you think existence isn’t infinite, then God isn’t infinite and he couldn’t have created himself. Either way you look at it, a God couldn’t have created the universe and doesn’t exist.

  62. on 23 Jul 2010 at 2:26 am 62.3D said …

    252.Merlin said …

    3D
    You should have renamed [sic] anonymous. It would have been less embarrassing. You, like Mark, only offer up fallacies and logical paradigms that do not exist. Then you proceed to the “small child” digression (you have zero knowledge)which has absolutely no bearing on the existence of God.
    If Ra does not exist then a God does not exist is not a logical conclusion. C’mon, you can do better…yes?

    Of course I can do better. In fact I did do better, in my actual comment, which you misread, misunderstood, and then mangled in your attempt to interpret it.

    I do not know if Ra exists. Ra might exist, just like God might, just like Zeus might exist. We can’t prove they don’t, because we can’t prove a negative. But there is no evidence for any of them.

    Just like me, you go down the list disbelieving in all those gods, because there’s no evidence. And you are right! But the difference between you and me is that you skip over crossing off one of those gods, and you believe in him because you’re in a cult and that’s what they told you to think.

  63. on 23 Jul 2010 at 5:28 am 63.Severin said …

    252 Merlin
    ” You, like Mark, only offer up fallacies and logical paradigms that do not exist.”

    Maybe, but when we come to something YOU have to say, you are silent.

    You only know to babble. You have no fear to offer fallacies and logical paradigms, because your claims are illogical babbling.

    To remind others: YOU claimed that only people accepting Christ are not going to hell.
    (Do no
    t deny, I have it stored!).

    I want to avoid hell, but muslims told me that I can NOT avoid hell if I am a christian, and I have chances to avoid it if I am a muslim.

    Question for you, you never answered: Why to accept Christ, why not Allah?

    Very simple question, but you ARE NOT ABLE TO OFFER AN ANSWER.
    Because there is no answer, of course, but you are not ready to admit it.
    Because christianity = isam = blievnig in Ra.

    Will yo be silent for some time again, hoping we will forget your incapability to give explanations of your own claims?

  64. on 23 Jul 2010 at 12:01 pm 64.Merlin said …

    “you skip over crossing off one of those gods, and you believe in him because you’re in a cult and that’s what they told you to think.”

    I did? I am in a cult? Which one? Also, who is this “They” that told me how to think and what to believe?

    So you are actually agnostic not atheist is would seem?

  65. on 23 Jul 2010 at 1:15 pm 65.Horatio said …

    Another strike against Marcus. 3D now admits God might exist. Marcus cannot even convince his own adherents.

  66. on 23 Jul 2010 at 4:26 pm 66.3D said …

    264.Merlin said …

    “you skip over crossing off one of those gods, and you believe in him because you’re in a cult and that’s what they told you to think.”
    I did? I am in a cult? Which one?

    Christianity.

    Also, who is this “They” that told me how to think and what to believe?

    Whoever told you about Jesus, the magical man who you think created the universe. You weren’t born with that info in your head, were you? Were your first words as a baby “Jesus Christ”?

    So you are actually agnostic not atheist is would seem?

    No, I am an agnostic atheist. They are not mutually exclusive although this is a common misconception, even among atheists.

    I believe that you can never prove there’s no God (agnostic). But based on the overwhelming evidence, I believe there is no God (atheist).

    Also, you are an atheist when it comes to Zeus, Ra, Kronos, Quetzlcoatl, etc. You come to the same conclusion as I do about all those gods (they don’t exist). Correct?

  67. on 23 Jul 2010 at 8:24 pm 67.Merlin said …

    “Whoever told you about Jesus, the magical man who you think created the universe.”

    Oh, you mean my own personal study of philosophy, theology and science? Well, yes you may have me there. I believe in God who created all. Who filled your head with agnosticism- Richard?

    “I believe that you can never prove there’s no God (agnostic). But based on the overwhelming evidence, I believe there is no God (atheist).”

    Oh please don’t leave me hanging. Share all the “overwhelming” evidence. I’m afraid this is just another disappointing Mark-like stunt but I’ll listen to anything.

    Horatio,

    Yes although they often claim there is NO God, when pushed they must admit they don’t know. Then like Mark, they never live up to their bets.

  68. on 23 Jul 2010 at 9:23 pm 68.Marcus said …

    Oh. Hello, Horatio. Decided it’s safe to come back now, huh?

    3D says he has no idea if a god exists – your god, Zeus, Juno, Ra, any kind of god. And I respect that point of view. However, you don’t. You insist that YOUR god is an absolute certainty. That he/she/it is, without question, out there somewhere.

    So, here we go yet again. YOUR ASSERTION, YOU PROVE IT!

    To wit, if you can get your head around this concept, unlike you. us non-believers don’t actually have a belief system that we are trying to foist onto other people. We just don’t believe what YOU people are saying. We challenge YOU to show US that what you believe is actually true. And you know what, if you could actually do it I’d be the first to admit I was wrong. But you can’t, can you.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that you and your posse will completely ignore what is in reality a very simple request to prove your proposition. There will be no evidence, will there. What there will be is a demand that I prove it is not so. There will be tiresome requests that I disprove what you say you can prove. It, like you, is futile.

    But you know what, you can keep playing word games for ever. You can keep at the semantics until the cows come home. But until you come up with anything that even resembles proof for the supposition you hold so dear, I’ll just keep on thinking the same thing: you are brainwashed, you are brain dead and you have no desire whatsoever to know the truth.

    So, come on. Show me just one shred of evidence that might me change my mind. As the saying goes, put up or shut up.

  69. on 23 Jul 2010 at 10:33 pm 69.3D said …

    267.Merlin said …

    “Whoever told you about Jesus, the magical man who you think created the universe.”
    Oh, you mean my own personal study of philosophy, theology and science? Well, yes you may have me there.

    Yes, that’s exactly what I meant. Some cultist weirdos made up a very inconsistent, plagiarized and transparent Jesus, 20 centuries ago, and you read about it, and despite the fact that it makes no sense, you swallowed it up.

    But thanks for clarifying and expanding on my comment!

    I believe in God who created all. Who filled your head with agnosticism- Richard?

    I assume you mean Richard Dawkins.

    No, I agree with him on some things and disagree with him on others. He’s not forcing me to read his books every Sunday, and parents don’t forcefeed his stuff into their kids heads and disown them if they disagree with it. And I don’t know of any instance where Richard Dawkins had anyone burned at the stake for not agreeing with The God Delusion.

    Christians, on the other hand…

    “I believe that you can never prove there’s no God (agnostic). But based on the overwhelming evidence, I believe there is no God (atheist).”
    Oh please don’t leave me hanging. Share all the “overwhelming” evidence.

    Sure. You can start by reading this website and watching the accompanying videos:
    http://www.godisimaginary.com

    I’d love to hear your review when you’re done! If you have any questions about them, feel free to ask here.

    Yes although they often claim there is NO God, when pushed they must admit they don’t know. Then like Mark, they never live up to their bets.

    I don’t “claim” there is no God. That would be an assertion of absolute proof. I believe there is no God, based on the lack of evidence that God exists, and the plethora of evidence. If new evidence comes, like if Jesus rides out of the sky with a tattoo on his testicles, like the Bible says he will, I will reassess the case.

    You sure aren’t providing any proof God exists, but you’re happy to apply that standard of proof when someone believes that God doesn’t exist. That’s because you’re not interested in logic, just mental masturbation, cherry-picking situations that affirm your preconceived world view and rejecting the rest.

    It’s like people who argue about Noah’s flood being real. They’re interested in scientific evidence that supports a Great Flood, but reject the massive amounts of evidence against it. Same with global warming deniers, same with Jesus’s existence.

    Science doesn’t matter to religious nuts, until they find a scrap of something in science that they think confirms their delusions, or until they find something science hasn’t figured out about the universe and has no answer for. Then they morph into Stephen Hawking, applying the logic and scientific method that bothers them like a buzzing gnat, 99.9% of the time. Meanwhile, they ride to work in cars

    It’s a tired act and you look like an idiot when you try to pull it off.

  70. on 24 Jul 2010 at 12:41 am 70.truthteller7 said …

    I’m insane screw you Marcus lol

  71. on 24 Jul 2010 at 6:16 am 71.Severin said …

    266 3D
    “Were your first words as a baby “Jesus Christ”?”

    Maybe his first (or second) words were “Jesus Christ”, it is quite possible.
    What such people don’t want to admit ever, is that their first (or second) words, if they were borne in Teheran, would be „Allah uekbar“.

    They would be enemies of Christ, and I doubt Christ himself would ever find his way to their minds to turn them to the “right” god, in such a case.

    With their closed and disturbed minds, they would all be Allah’s warriors today!
    Remember their glorious question about “why is killing immoral”?

  72. on 24 Jul 2010 at 6:38 am 72.Severin said …

    276 Merlin
    “Oh, you mean my own personal study of philosophy, theology and science?“

    And with all your education you are not able to support your own claims?

    What an university gives diplomas to such ignorants?

    You ARE an ignorant!
    In your place I would NEVER boast with my education level if I would not be able to support my own claims.

  73. on 24 Jul 2010 at 6:48 am 73.Severin said …

    276 Merlin
    Of course, there were situations I could not support my claims.
    In such cases i honestly admited: I do not know (but I will learn!).

    A professor of mine (organic chemistry) discussed with me once (45 years ago) and when he asked me why I was doing something, my answer was: it is my principle!

    Dear collegue, he said, “principles” are for horses, not for humans!
    Horses have llimited abitity to LEARN. People MUST change their “principles” according to accumulating their knowledges, he said. Otherwise we would still defend the “principle” that the earth is a plate.

  74. on 24 Jul 2010 at 5:47 pm 74.Merlin said …

    “Some cultist weirdos made up a very inconsistent, plagiarized and transparent Jesus, 20 centuries ago”

    Really? That is what I did? So you will be proving this assertion of course or just spitting out the some old nonsense as other blogs with no proof? I expected better.

    “Sure. You can start by reading this website and watching the accompanying http://www.godisimaginary.com

    Yawn! Read it been there no proof only speculation, bad theology, atheist spin with absolutely zero proof. You obviously have not read the sister site. I thought YOU would provide some real proof? C’mon I want to Not Believe.

    You brought out the old “burn them at the stake” bomb. The equivalent of the Hitler bomb! Another classic! For future reference, I have never burned anyone on the steak (yummy).

    Maybe you could use Mark’s claim, refuse to provide a logical paradigm and call it proof. LOL!

    Mark,

    You came back! I though embarrassment would keep you away. Still no paradigm for your, um, er ah logic!

  75. on 24 Jul 2010 at 7:35 pm 75.Marcus said …

    truthteller

    Insane, hysterical, deluded, gullible, lost, sad, pathetic… the list of adjectives could on for ever. Just take your pick.

  76. on 24 Jul 2010 at 7:52 pm 76.Marcus said …

    Oh, and merlin – I find it comical that you should once again be asking people to prove that your imaginary friend doesn’t exist when you can offer up none of the same for his/her/its existence. What you are doing is called deflection. And it’s pathetic.

    If you had anything other than blind faith to substantiate the claims you and your fellow believers make I have a feeling you might have shown it to us by now. After all, you have had 2000 years to get your act together. But hey, we’re still waiting. And you are still avoiding giving any answers.

  77. on 24 Jul 2010 at 9:35 pm 77.Horatio said …

    “What you are doing is called deflection. And it’s pathetic.”

    Not rally pathetic, it is desperate. It is otherwise known as changing the subject. Now we point you back to waaayyyy back to your original claim that God does not exist since He did not kill you.

    Answer Merlin’s question regarding the logic of your conclusion. Don’t deflect. I can’t speak for Merlin but I have not been here any where near 2000 years.

  78. on 25 Jul 2010 at 7:05 pm 78.a said …

    If I didn’t kill my dog today does that mean I don’t exist?

  79. on 26 Jul 2010 at 4:14 am 79.truthteller7 said …

    Marcus: I have love for all humanity but in your deluded world if someone says that they love you their crazy(so I guess your wife is crazy too).now you guys are supposed to be the poster boys for logical thinking so please direct you critical thinking to these two questions 1.if everyone in the world was atheist and what’s right and wrong was based on everyone’s own probably biased opinion would the world be better,worse,or the same? 2.its also obvious that you guys believe in evolution (despite the evidence that has conclude it as unproven sudoscience )so using your logic evolution says that in the beginning a living cell came from space or the ocean(despite the fact that we know living cells come from living organisms not the ocean or space)and evolved into all living specimens on earth…so here’s the question if you choose to believe this despite logic then who or what or how was the water,space,earth created???

  80. on 26 Jul 2010 at 4:55 am 80.A real-ist said …

    Being kind does not make one not crazy in the mind. Those are unrelated.

    Who created God besides human wishful thinking? You think someone must have creating living things by waving their magic wand and then poof, they appeared. Wouldn’t God have to be created at some point as well? How can God create existence if he exists in existence? Think about that one.

  81. on 26 Jul 2010 at 6:07 am 81.truthteller7 said …

    I will think about it after you guys stop to explain your beliefs first. Tell me how would the world be if everyone were atheists and how can evolution be possible if it requires a living cell to form from non living organisms and third if evolution did occur then who created the earth and space I will not allow you to avoid these questions and aPparently being caring means I’m crazy to marcus

  82. on 26 Jul 2010 at 6:13 am 82.truthteller7 said …

    First off to marcus I’m crazy for standing firm in what I believe in and being loving but back to the issue I want you athirests to answer this questions how was the earth and space created if you believe in evolution and if everyone were athiests would the world be better or worse. I won’t allow you guys to avoid this question especially not by distracting me with more of your questions. Its time to answer mines

  83. on 26 Jul 2010 at 6:25 pm 83.Merlin said …

    A,

    I didn’t kill my dog today either and I promise I am very much real.

    Marcus simply bit off more than he can chew and now he is trying to spit it out. Deflection just won’t do it Marcus. You have failed to prove God does not exist, godisimiginary does not offer any proof 3D(it is a bit comical)and it would be best just to admit your failure.

    I don’t think either of you can do what the best and brightest have failed to do for thousands of years. The again wasn’t BHO proclaimed to be the anointed one?

  84. on 26 Jul 2010 at 6:32 pm 84.Merlin said …

    “He’s not forcing me to read his books every Sunday, and parents don’t forcefeed his stuff into their kids heads and disown them if they disagree with it.”

    Anybody here been forced to read some pastors book or even the Bible? Don’t the RC priests require you NOT to read the Bible? I think 3D is screwy here since it has never happened to me.

    Anyone here have a parent who forced them to get an education, eat vegetables and take nasty tasting medicine? Yep, Mom was great! 3D, you are a constant mess my boy.

  85. on 26 Jul 2010 at 9:11 pm 85.3D said …

    284.Merlin said …

    Anyone here have a parent who forced them to get an education, eat vegetables and take nasty tasting medicine? Yep, Mom was great!

    Most good parents explain that vegetables were important for nutrition, and that you need to go to school to learn, and that the nasty tasting medicine helps you get over being sick. They don’t “force” the vegetables down your throat.

    (Sorry to hear that you went through that though. Did she use a funnel?)

  86. on 26 Jul 2010 at 9:48 pm 86.truthteller7 said …

    So you cowards continue to challenge people and ask them questions about their faith but cannot answer two simple questions MARCUS you are a coward and you need to step up and support yOur athiestic beliefs

  87. on 26 Jul 2010 at 9:54 pm 87.Anonymous said …

    What the hell?
    If you guys want to debate sign up at the forums and ask a mod for a debate room.
    It is pointless to argue here.

  88. on 26 Jul 2010 at 10:29 pm 88.truthteller7 said …

    Like I said cowards in fact your worse then cowards you guys are uninformed however haughty cowards

  89. on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:26 am 89.Anonymous said …

    There is proof for every “truth” you guys say. And if there doesn’t seem to be, that’s what we call FAITH. Get over yourselves. What are you trying to prove, anyway? What do you actually gain by putting people down?

  90. on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:30 am 90.Anonymous said …

    THANK YOU MERLIN! I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!

  91. on 27 Jul 2010 at 11:24 am 91.Merlin said …

    “Sorry to hear that you went through that though. Did she use a funnel?)”

    Yup, she forced me against my will many a time when I was being the belligerent child. Even when I refused to open my mouth! What a wonderful woman. I’m sorry you never had the experience of a parent who cared enough.

    You are welcome A. Too many pansies being raised today.

  92. on 27 Jul 2010 at 2:16 pm 92.Rayn said …

    Hey truthteller7, Which two questions are you referring to?
    I’ll step in an answer them for you.

  93. on 27 Jul 2010 at 4:24 pm 93.truthteller7 said …

    1.If the everyone in the world were atheists would the world be better,worse,or the same. 2.since the theory of evolution says that a living cell popped out of space or the ocean (although science staits that living cells come from living organisms not the ocean or space but if you disregard this fact whatever )and this living cell then evolved into every living creature over billions of years. so here’s the question then if evolution took place then who created the ocean and space

  94. on 28 Jul 2010 at 7:05 am 94.3D said …

    291.Merlin said …

    “Sorry to hear that you went through that though. Did she use a funnel?)”
    Yup, she forced me against my will many a time when I was being the belligerent child.

    Not much has changed in your personality since then!

    Any other theists here want to share stories about torture and force-feeding imposed on them by their fundamentalist parents?

    Even when I refused to open my mouth! What a wonderful woman.

    I’m sure she regrets forcing you to OPEN your mouth with all the horseshit that immediately began flowing out of it.

    Now it’s time to open up and accept the nasty medicine of reality! We don’t use funnels, just logic and reason.

  95. on 28 Jul 2010 at 7:14 am 95.3D said …

    293.truthteller7 said …

    1.If the everyone in the world were atheists would the world be better,worse,or the same.

    Better.

    since the theory of evolution says that a living cell popped out of space or the ocean

    False. The theory of evolution doesn’t say anything about where the first living cell came from. Evolution is perfectly compatible with an intelligent designer or God who set it all in motion.

    Check back with your youth pastor for the latest updated propaganda please.

    (although science staits that living cells come from living organisms not the ocean or space but if you disregard this fact whatever )

    Religion states that the first living cell came from a magical man who took some clay out of the ground, molded into a man-shape, took a deep breath and blew some soul-snot into the clay-man’s nostril.

    So you’re not exactly in a good position to talk about goofy ideas that science has come up with. I think I’ll stick with the abiogenesis theory myself, over the “Human Play-Doh with Soul Boogers” story.

    and this living cell then evolved into every living creature over billions of years. so here’s the question then if evolution took place then who created the ocean and space

    Nobody. These questions are easy!

    Now here’s a follow-up question. If God created the oceans and the space, who created God? Super-God? God Sr.?

  96. on 28 Jul 2010 at 11:30 am 96.Merlin said …

    ?We don’t use funnels, just logic and reason.”

    I wish that were true but you have some work to do. Now add a little common sense then you have the makings of a wise young man. Well, drop claims you cannot support and silly calls for God to strike you down with a bolt of lightning!

    Oh, and the ad homeinem attacks show us one more attribute from you childhood.

    Anyone out there like to share any stories about parents from the school of Homer Simpson?

    3D, maybe you could just add stupid Flanders after every comment.

    Wise up Homer.

  97. on 28 Jul 2010 at 4:45 pm 97.Max said …

    “If the everyone in the world were atheists would the world be better,worse,or the same.
    Better.”

    Wrong, see China & USSR

    “False. The theory of evolution doesn’t say anything about where the first living cell came from.”

    False, science does, however, they are simply stumped and come up with all sorts of silliness.

    “I think I’ll stick with the abiogenesis theory myself”

    Well sure you will. You priests have spoken. Nobody expects you to think for yourself. I actually liked the lightning theory better, ha ha.

    “if evolution took place then who created the ocean and space” Nobody. These questions are easy!”

    They are easy when you don’t need to prove a single answer. Nobody huh? So you are a “self-creator theorist” or “Always existed theorist”?

    It is amazing what some people believe to avoid God.

  98. on 28 Jul 2010 at 7:07 pm 98.Severin said …

    269 Merlin
    “Well, drop claims you cannot support …”

    Who is telling that!?

    It was YOU who claimed something unable to support what you said. Then you was silent for some time hoping we will forget it.

    We will not!
    Before requiring others to support their claims, try to learn how to support your own ones.

  99. on 28 Jul 2010 at 7:17 pm 99.Severin said …

    297 Max
    “Wrong, see China & USSR”

    Why you suggest us to see Afganistan and Iran?
    There is absolutely no atheists!

    I remind you that neither China nor (ex!) USSR were atheistic countries before communism took power there!

    1917. in Russia and 1950. in China there were 0 % atheists! Who supported communist revolutions?
    100% RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.

    I also remind you that Hitler in Germany took power in free elections, after 100% christian nation had oportunity to listen to his speeches for more than a decade.

    Something VERY wrong with your examples!

  100. on 28 Jul 2010 at 7:18 pm 100.Severin said …

    Severin 299
    “Why you suggest us to see Afganistan and Iran?”

    Correction: Why DON’T you suggest us to see Afganistan and Iran?

  101. on 28 Jul 2010 at 7:22 pm 101.Severin said …

    Max,

    Yor “ha ha” would have some sense if you told us who/what created god.

    As all believers, you all the time avoid to answer simple and clear questions.
    Why don’t you just try?

  102. on 29 Jul 2010 at 1:44 am 102.3D said …

    297.Max said …

    “If the everyone in the world were atheists would the world be better,worse,or the same.
    Better.”
    Wrong, see China & USSR

    See Severin’s comment for a thorough debunking of this stupid bullshit. http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1537#comment-23211

    “False. The theory of evolution doesn’t say anything about where the first living cell came from.”
    False, science does,

    Science does. The theory of evolution does not. I know they teach you that all science is evil in your afterschool Bible study, but — you may want to hold onto something when I tell you this — different branches of science deal with different topics.

    So you are a “self-creator theorist” or “Always existed theorist”?

    Always existed. Same as you, except you shift the “always existed” thing back one generation onto a magical man who makes people out of his own snot.

    It is amazing what some people believe to avoid God.

    Yeah! Atheists believe in such silly things.

    So did God give Adam a magical hanky in case some of his soul-snot ran out his nose? And did he keep extra clay on hand in case Adam fell down and lost a tooth?

  103. on 29 Jul 2010 at 3:18 am 103.A real-ist said …

    Since we are on the topic of Adam and Eve, I would like to throw out a question. When God supposedly created Adam and then Eve from Adam’s rib, were they just giant babies? I mean, how did they know anything if they didn’t have the experiences to learn anything yet? This just shows that the first man didn’t appear from a “poof”. We evolved over time and learned as we went. Adam just didn’t appear and then go “holy shit, I am alive….what to do next? Hey, you creator, I need a woman to fuck.” God then said, “Sounds like a plan. This may hurt a bit, but I need a rib from you and then I need to wave my magic wand and turn it into a woman.” Then Eve appeared and wanted to eat an apple. A talking snake talked to her and she understood this talking snake (even though a snake has never spoken since). Get the picture? How did they know how to communicate without learning how to first?

  104. on 29 Jul 2010 at 3:35 pm 104.charles said …

    the bible is mythology. jesus never existed. the notion of god is nonsense.

  105. on 29 Jul 2010 at 4:12 pm 105.Rayn said …

    the bible is mythology. jesus never existed. the notion of god is nonsense.

    Actually a “Jesus” probably did exist. Most historians don’t accept the “Mythological Jesus”. Of course that doesn’t mean he actually preformed miracles, claimed divinity, etc.
    He was probably a apocalyptic teacher.

  106. on 29 Jul 2010 at 4:16 pm 106.Rayn said …

    ^ I meant “an apocalyptic teacher”

  107. on 29 Jul 2010 at 4:59 pm 107.truthteller7 said …

    If your gonna ask if adam and eve had to be babies first in order to learn then apply that question to the theory of evolution which staits that the ape evolved into an adult shaped human not a baby. Then you guys still failed to answer the questions who created the earth and the space if evolution did occur? And learn your fucking science because if you do research you will find many theories on how living creatures came to be and one of the biggest theories is that a living cell came and evolved on earth from space or water however science always fails on determining how the space came to be and if they can’t figure it out 100 percent your slow ass can’t figure it out when you can’t tell your ass from your head

  108. on 29 Jul 2010 at 6:38 pm 108.Severin said …

    307 Truthteller
    “And learn your fucking science…”

    Do you use a mobile phone?
    Do you go to see a doctor when sick?
    Have you been vaccinated ever?

    I see you ARE using computer.

    WHY do you use fruits of fucking science?

    And, yes, did your priests taught you such nice words?

  109. on 29 Jul 2010 at 7:06 pm 109.Rayn said …

    Evolution =/= Abiogenesis =/= Big Bang

    Scientists do not completely understand the beginning of the universe. We have been able to get very close to the beginning of the universe, but not to the very beginning. However, we have made progress, and scientists understand how the universe could have came from nothing.
    Here is a video by Lawrence Krauss.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

    Here is a lecture by Stephen Hawking.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFjwXe-pXvM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSUsXYcQ5qA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzO5eSjgocA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhNX1wKFbB0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Kp0rQ23PY

    These videos will take about 2 hours or so to watch. I’m sure it will be worth it for you.

    The Big Bang explains how stars, galaxies, planets, etc. form. The Universe and the Earth weren’t created by anyone.

    Abiogenesis explains how life began on Earth, while Evolution explains the diversity and development of life on Earth.

    There is tons of evidence for evolution.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

    If there is anything you don’t understand or if you have any questions just ask.

  110. on 29 Jul 2010 at 7:08 pm 110.Rayn said …

    Also, even if science is not 100% sure how the Universe and Earth came to be, it doesn’t make it okay to say goddunit.

  111. on 29 Jul 2010 at 10:30 pm 111.truthteller7 said …

    First off your wrong I am using a mobile phone and second how is it ok to say that gods not 100 percent so he must not exist but when science is not 100 percent somehow it is still ok to believe it over god both theories take the same amount of faith don’t you think so why not be on the safe side and believe in god so that if he does exist (he does)then you will servive if he doesn’t (but he does)then you will not of lost anything

  112. on 29 Jul 2010 at 10:42 pm 112.truthteller7 said …

    And jehovahs witnesses do not have pastors only elders everyone else is considered a minister because we preach the good news of jehovahs kingdom and we don’t believe in having titles were one has more power then the other like other false christian religions so my potty mouth is something that I as an imperfect person need to work on and I have messed up and cursed a few times in the kingdom hall lol

  113. on 30 Jul 2010 at 12:52 am 113.A real-ist said …

    nontruthteller,

    “If your gonna ask if adam and eve had to be babies first in order to learn then apply that question to the theory of evolution which staits that the ape evolved into an adult shaped human not a baby.”

    Read what I said again. When God went poof and Adam and Eve formed, their minds had to be like a baby’s mind since they had no experiences yet. And going over what you just said about apes evolving into an adult shaped human and not a baby….huh? First of all, when apes gave birth the result was a baby, which over a long period of time that baby, which turns to an adult to have another baby eventually evolved into into humans in a certain line of species. According to what you wrote when apes had the baby, it looked like an adult human. Huh?

    And your question about where did everything come from…..well, it came from the same place your God was created. If you think God created everything, then who created God? You can’t answer that just like science is still trying to figure exactly what happened to form everything. Science has a pretty good idea of how things work, but not 100%. You, on the otherhand, have 0% on how God was created. So basically what I am saying is that your question of where everything came from is the same question of where did God come from. So ask yourself that question of where God came from and you will get the same answer as to where everything did actually come from without a God involved. One theory is that all matter and energy has always been around in some state. Right now we are in the expanding state from the Big Bang, but many years down the road our universe could either retract back to a single point again and then explode all over again and this keeps on happening in cycles. We could also be engulfed in a black hole and then there is a big explosion inside there that sets everything off again. So there are actual theories like that which could be proven some day, for example, with the particle collider. So please think outside the God box and you might see reality.

  114. on 30 Jul 2010 at 1:03 am 114.A real-ist said …

    …….and I forgot to mention your question about where did life (cells) come from. Certain elements combine in a certain way, chemical reactions happen, and then cell life forms evenvually came about during the right conditions. Cells then split and made copies. The better copies went on to create some better copies, and some not so good copies. The not so good copies that form don’t survive in what we call natural selection. The better copies thrive and evolve better each time to fit the environment. Get the idea of life and evolution now?

  115. on 30 Jul 2010 at 6:02 am 115.3D said …

    305.Rayn said …

    the bible is mythology. jesus never existed. the notion of god is nonsense.
    Actually a “Jesus” probably did exist.

    Most historians don’t accept the “Mythological Jesus”.

    “Most historians” is a specific claim that implies a concensus, which isn’t the case. It’s a hotly debated topic among historians.

    Of course a lot of those historians are biased because they’re Christians, and have a vested interest in “proving” that Jesus existed. If there was the same lack of evidence for Julius Caesar or Abraham Lincoln that there is for Jesus, no historian worth his salt would argue that they existed. But because it’s Jesus, some people jump through hoops trying to legitimize any scrap they can get their hands on.

    You believe that “a Jesus” existed, even though there is absolutely no evidence from his lifetime showing that he existed. Why?

  116. on 30 Jul 2010 at 12:29 pm 116.Rayn said …

    “Most historians” is a specific claim that implies a concensus, which isn’t the case. It’s a hotly debated topic among historians.

    It is true that historians debate about the Historical Jesus, but not about his existence.

    This sceptical way of thinking reached its culmination in the argument that Jesus as a human being never existed at all and is a myth…. But above all, if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. Certainly, there are all those discrepancies between one Gospel and another. But we do not deny that an event ever took place just because some pagan historians such as, for example, Livy and Polybius, happen to have described it in differing terms…. To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has ‘again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.’ In recent years, ‘no serous scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus’ or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.

    – Michael Grant, Jesus: An Historian’s Review of the Gospels (Scribner, 1995).

    He is an atheist historian, so I do not think that he is bias towards “a Jesus” existing. This is only one historian, but If you want me to prove the consensus that there is a historical Jesus I can. I don’t think this is the important issue, but if you wish to pursue it more we can.

    Now, In response to truthteller7.
    It is possible for the universe to come from nothing.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
    Please watch the video, I’m sure you will learn a lot.
    If you still have questions just ask me.

  117. on 30 Jul 2010 at 12:32 pm 117.Rayn said …

    Here is Stephen Hawking explaining the Origin of the Universe
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFjwXe-pXvM&feature=PlayList&p=74184384669CEADB&index=0&playnext=1

  118. on 30 Jul 2010 at 12:33 pm 118.Biff said …

    “Of course a lot of those historians are biased because they’re Christians, and have a vested interest in “proving” that Jesus existed

    Most atheist are biased against God and attempt to explain away God with “we don’t know how it happened but we will”. Everyone is biased Einstein, even you so stop all ready.

  119. on 30 Jul 2010 at 12:46 pm 119.Max said …

    #302 from 3D

    Please review this post, it is hilarious. 3D uses a post from Severin to support his claim. Severin is 3Ds source of authority

    The only problem is this:
    From Severin-

    “1917. in Russia and 1950. in China there were 0 % atheists! Who supported communist revolutions?”

    How do you like this historical documentation. Not only did it miss the original point like Severin swinging at a Billy Wagner fastball, it is ridiculous. I actually did take Russian History in College and I never learned this fact! I am now attempting to contact my old professor.

    3D, the rest of your post is as ridiculous. When atheist fail to acknowledge the short comings of their fellow believers, they lose all credibility as you now have.

    Its like an old “Animal House” scene.

  120. on 30 Jul 2010 at 4:05 pm 120.3D said …

    315.Rayn said …

    This sceptical way of thinking reached its culmination in the argument that Jesus as a human being never existed at all and is a myth…. But above all, if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material….

    Pause button. There’s your problem.

    The New Testament is not “historical material”. It contains tons of non-historical material, i.e., things that don’t match up with historical events of the time that we know from actual meticulously documented recordings of events. It even contradicts itself from chapter to chapter on the most important events to its own narrative. It is not a historical document.

    It is the equivalent of a poorly-written novel that takes liberties with historical events of the time. It’s like if 2,000 years from now, archaeologists dug up a Dan Brown novel and decide that this is an accurate portrayal of true events of the 2000s because he mentions Paris and Rome.

    we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned.

    If the only evidence of them exists in a book dedicated to glorifying them, and not a single shred of contemporary evidence from someone living at the same time as they did, as is the case with Jesus, then I question their existence too.

    He is an atheist historian, so I do not think that he is bias towards “a Jesus” existing. This is only one historian, but If you want me to prove the consensus that there is a historical Jesus I can. I don’t think this is the important issue, but if you wish to pursue it more we can.

    How about this: can you name one piece of writing, coming from the time Jesus allegedly existed, that speaks about Jesus, besides the Bible? Just one?

  121. on 30 Jul 2010 at 4:26 pm 121.Severin said …

    317 Biff
    “Most atheist are biased against God…”

    What an imprudence!
    Have you ever seen definition of the word?

    You call „biased“ people who DO NOT BELIEVE something!

    According to your logic all the people who do not believe there is Santa, Ra, Qutzalkoatl, mermaids… are biased!?
    Strange!

    Atheists have nothing agains any god, if he/she/it takes some time to address to us.
    If there is a god, and if he/she/it is interested in me, he/she/it is always welcome to say something to me. I am open to gods, but NOT to mediators!

    Why would allmighty god need mediators, and why would I trust mediators? They (mediators) are FIGHTING against each other, offering too many gods for my taste. And you expect ME to trust them!?
    No, thanks!

  122. on 30 Jul 2010 at 4:57 pm 122.Severin said …

    318 Max
    „I actually did take Russian History in College and I never learned this fact! I am now attempting to contact my old professor.“

    Please do! Find other sources too!

    Before revolution Russia was totally religious country, in which church had enormeous impact to life of ordinary people.
    The same people who supported communist revolution – why? – I already explained it several times in this blog, but I will explain it to you again if necessary.

    The question is: when you learn it was so, WHAT WILL YOU SAY?
    Close your eyes?

    As you already did, in fact: you did NOT comment Germany! Too dangerous for you!

    Or, maybe you want to say that you never heard that Hitler was elected on free and FAIR elections by 100% christian nation?

  123. on 30 Jul 2010 at 5:47 pm 123.Severin said …

    310 Truthteller
    “First off your wrong I am using a mobile phone…”
    How can I be wrong if I pose a question? Only the answer can be wrong.

    So, you are using things behing which is 100% science: mobile phone, computer, trains, plains, vaccines…….
    So, you DO TRUST “fucking” scientists, otherwise you would never use their “fucking” achievments, like computers, vaccines, madicals, plains, trains, mobile phones …!
    Why would you use those things if you would not TRUST them?
    Would you go to hospital if you would not trust science?

    There is consensus among tens of thousends of independent scientists about big bang, evolution…etc, but when they talk such issues, you DO NOT TRUST THEM!

    Now please try to explain a simple paradox:
    You DO trust scientists when they give you vaccines (to prevent you to die young from tuberculosis or smallpox).

    You DO NOT trust the same scientists when they talk evolution or big bang!?
    WHY would scientist have interest to talk lie about evolution, if they obviously did NOT lie about your mobile phone?

  124. on 30 Jul 2010 at 11:52 pm 124.Horatio said …

    Max

    Sev and 3D routinely use one another as sources of authority. Anytime you see Sev us 100% for anything just laugh and move on. Of course the former USSR and China today oppress religion. They have murdered multiples of millions, not those worshiping RA or FSM, but Christ. Atheist fail to wrap their minds around that fact.

    These Communist regimes want their subjects to follow their state religion of atheism in order to control the masses.

    Its not new. Rome realized the danger of Christians who would put Christ ahead of Caesar. The USSR and China chose to keep people with no hope. Rome offered up Caesar.

  125. on 31 Jul 2010 at 2:48 am 125.Rayn said …

    Actually, in the former USSR during Stalin’s time people worshiped Stalin.
    But all of this is irrelevant.
    Where is your evidence of God?

  126. on 31 Jul 2010 at 5:31 am 126.Severin said …

    323 Horatio
    You better check before you claim something!
    You can not change history by laughing.

    Before communist revolution both Russia and China WERE highly religious nations.
    Orthodox christianity was the state religion in Russia. Their emperors (czars) were all orthodox christians for more than a millenium, their nobility was orthodox christians and their common people was orthodox christians. No atheists!
    You can not make the fact dissappear by laughing or by closing your eyes.
    Can you imagine ANY country at the beginning of 20th century with predominantly atheist population?
    There was no such a country on earth!
    Buddhism was (and still is) the major religion in China. Before their revolution majority of Chinese people were NOT christians, but were highly religious. No atheists in any significant number in China or Russia in the 1st half of 20th century. No more than in the USA or Belgium.

    No one can deny the FACT: communist revolution were brought and supported by RELIGIOUS nations. That is the FACT, dear Horatio!

    And, of course, the FACT is that German nation (100% or 99% or 97.65% christians, does it matter?) VOTED for Hitler on free and fair elections.
    A few atheists (such as Clara Zetkin) did NOT vote for Hitler.

    Yes, and American slaveholders were ALL good christians!

  127. on 31 Jul 2010 at 6:19 am 127.Severin said …

    Horatio
    “These Communist regimes want their subjects to follow their state religion of atheism in order to control the masses.”

    Unlike religions, communist regimes promissed SOCIAL equality. Unlike religions, they propagued PARADISE ON EARTH (HERE and NOW, not after you die). I lived in a “soft” communist regime and I KNOW it! I LIVED with it for 45 years!

    Communist SOCIAL program was the “glue” on which most uneducated (practically illiterate) and poor masses caught on.
    Imagine millions of peasants and workers which possessed nothing and never had chances to go to schools, to doctors, to have their own land or houses…for CENTURIES.
    Then someone comes and promisses them they will get everything only if communism wins!
    They were ALL religious, but they felt communism as new hope, much more practical (paradise here and now!!!) than any religion. They had nothing to lose!

    THAT was the card communist leaders played on! They knew uneducated people, already poisoned with religion, will “glue” on it.
    So people just ACCEPTED THE NEW RELIGION! They SUPPORTED communist revolutions (both in Russia and China) by their blood and their lives!

    Before communism, you have MANY examples of massive and sudden changings of religion in human history. Nothing new!

    Late after communist regimes an their lunatic leaders took power, poor people sobered up, but it was too late!

    You are right: communist leaders saw religions as competition, because they wanted people to worship THEM.
    And people DID! It took a lot of time to sober up. But before it happened, they WARSHIPPED Stalin and Mao as sincerely as they worshiped their gods befor communism.
    Even MORE sincerely!

    Atheist would be much more clever and cautious! They would never fall on communist tricks, as religious masses did. Unfortunately, there were NO atheists there at that time.

  128. on 31 Jul 2010 at 6:27 am 128.Severin said …

    Hratio
    And guess what?!
    ALL religion, just like communism, take OTHER religions as COMPETITION and fight them.
    So, as I already stated: communism = religions.

  129. on 31 Jul 2010 at 7:29 am 129.Severin said …

    communism = religions

    Some support to that claim:

    Both, communism and ALL religions base their power on unsustainable promisses (lies, like 72 virgins, eternal life, paradise on earth here and now…).
    Both, communism and religions, use extremely brutal power against people who do not trust them.
    Both, communism and ALL religions take other political options and other religions as MORTAL ENEMIES and FIGHT them by all means. Most frequently by VERY BRUTAL MEANS (history, but also today).
    Both, communism and all religions have EXACTLY the same (very pompous) iconography! Differences are only in details (names of „gods“, colours of flags, pictures…).

  130. on 14 Aug 2010 at 3:22 pm 130.Michael said …

    I’m wondering how devout most atheist will be when they are commanded to worship Allah or die.
    Are you willing to die for your belief or will you play the hypocrite and fall into their ranks to save your own skin. Don’t think for a moment that time is not coming. It is…. just look around you. The call to prayer is already heard in the small towns around Dearborn, MI…. where is your hero the ACLU? Obama is turning his back on Israel and has bowed to the Saudi King. You don’t think change is on the horizon?
    It is your own faith you need to be questioning.
    How strong is it that there is nothingness after death.
    “Ex nihilo nihil fit” but there is something…. from where? And does something return to nothing?

  131. on 14 Aug 2010 at 5:42 pm 131.3D said …

    329.Michael said …

    I’m wondering how devout most atheist will be when they are commanded to worship Allah or die.

    de·vout/di?vout/Adjective
    1. Having or showing deep religious feeling or commitment.
    2. Totally committed to a cause or belief.

    There is no such thing as a “devout” atheist. No one is completely committed to atheism; it’s just a conclusion people come to based on the facts. If new facts came in that made it clear there was a god, atheists wouldn’t be atheists anymore. They would adjust to the evidence.

    Are you willing to die for your belief or will you play the hypocrite and fall into their ranks to save your own skin.

    If my country was taken over by religious craziness, whether Christian or Islam or otherwise, and they were killing people who didn’t go along with it, of course I would pretend to be a Christian or Muslim. Who cares? It isn’t real, so there’s no harm in pretending to do it to survive.

    I’d also like to think I would have the courage to try to work behind the scenes to do whatever I could to get rid of the regime.

    Of course your question is steeped in right-wing paranoia noise, but if you’re suggesting that atheists are only anti-Christian and not anti-Muslim, then you’re wrong.

    Don’t think for a moment that time is not coming. It is…. just look around you.

    OMG you’re right! I just saw a black helicopter! Can you help me out with the best brand of tinfoil to use for hat making? And the best position to hide in under the bed? Thanks.

    The call to prayer is already heard in the small towns around Dearborn, MI…. where is your hero the ACLU? Obama is turning his back on Israel and has bowed to the Saudi King.

    You’re right, the shame. He should have held hands with Saudi royalty and kissed them on the lips, like Bush did.

    It is your own faith you need to be questioning.
    How strong is it that there is nothingness after death.
    “Ex nihilo nihil fit” but there is something…. from where?

    Good question. According to you, God is something. Where did he come from? Nothing? Nihilo?

  132. on 14 Aug 2010 at 6:25 pm 132.Lou said …

    Michael,

    Atheism offers nothing so why would anyone die for it? Christ offers everything and He is worth standing up for. Its the difference between having a purpose and just being a product of random chance. Its sad really but there is still hope for them while they still have life.

  133. on 14 Aug 2010 at 7:12 pm 133.3D said …

    331.Lou said …

    Michael,
    Atheism offers nothing so why would anyone die for it? Christ offers everything and He is worth standing up for.

    Or flying a plane into a building for.

    Its the difference between having a purpose and just being a product of random chance.

    Apparently that purpose-driven life didn’t help to straighten out the lives of all those priests who fuck boys, or all the Christians who burned witches, or all the Christians who owned slaves.

  134. on 01 Sep 2010 at 4:14 pm 134.Harry said …

    Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. Many examples showing God’s design could be given, possibly with no end. But here is one:

    The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

    The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth’s position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

    And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.

    Water…colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You’ll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

    Harry

  135. on 02 Sep 2010 at 5:48 am 135.Severin said …

    333 Harry
    You are right about the earth.

    Just HOW does it prove existance of god?

  136. on 02 Sep 2010 at 4:00 pm 136.Observer said …

    #333 Harry. Is this a prank? This is the sort of thing one would expect to hear from a televangelist trying to lighten the pockets of the weak and or stupid.

    “Water…colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water).” and the others are statements of tautological relationships. Water is a great solvent, you know, highly polar molecules, and it is abundant on earth. Most of the chemistry on the planet is wet chemistry. Is it surprising that life on earth evolved making use of it?

    “And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull.” Actually, size has nothing to do with it. It is the mass that is important. But if the mass, velocity, and distance were not within a pretty narrow band, presumably what you mean by “perfect”, the moon would have either spun off into space, or crashed on our planet.

    Harry what you have written is really childish, sort of like something a dreamy 13-year old girl would write. It is nauseatingly romantic without the intelligence of late 19th century writing. Fess up- Is this a prank?

  137. on 02 Sep 2010 at 6:31 pm 137.A Romantic said …

    It’s not a prank. Water is a real compound denoted by H2O. You certainly partake daily and if your night is clear, gaze up to the stars. The big ball in the sky is what we call our moon. It’s real and everything.

  138. on 16 Sep 2010 at 5:44 pm 138.Melanie Stephan said …

    I think I like atheists better than christains . 1. Christains don’t really understand the Bible cause someone else has to tell them what it means. 2. The Church will give them an outragous interpretation and they will take it in, like it’s gospel.

    I have been going to Christains sites and telling them that 0. Daniel’s Biblical Prophecy is about 911 and they don’t get it.
    The story of Nebuchadnezzar in the Book of Daniel is about 911. There are a number of similarities of the Empire of Nebuchadnezzar and the Empire of Saddam Hussein. I start with the Tree that grew tall and strong. When the tree was cut down the Kings reign fell with it. When the Twin Towers fell Saddam’s reign also fell.

  139. on 16 Sep 2010 at 7:18 pm 139.Curmudgeon at large said …

    “1. Christains don’t really understand the Bible cause someone else has to tell them what it means.”

    So your argument would be atheist understand better?

    “2. The Church will give them an outragous interpretation and they will take it in, like it’s gospel.”

    Uh huh, Isn’t that what your are doing right above in your interpretation of Daniel and 911?

  140. on 16 Sep 2010 at 11:41 pm 140.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hi Curmudgeon at Large, I just like Atheists because you can reason with them. God likes them too. They have some good reasons not to believe. 1. God never shows himself and 2. He rarely ever talks to anyone.

    And I am right on the money with the Interpretation of Daniel in the story about Nebuchadnezzar: 1. Both Kings lived in Iraq . Saddam Hussein is a representative for Nebuchadnezzar in the Book of Daniel. Saddam and Nebuchadnezzar are archetypes. They are both similar stories. In a number of ways they can be viewed as exactly the same story. When the Tree (Twin Towers) fell so does their empires.

    Nebuchadnezzar’s Palace:
    In 1982, Saddam’s workers began reconstructing Babylon’s most imposing building, the 600-room palace of King Nebuchadnezzar II. Archaeologists were horrified. Many said that to rebuild on top of ancient artifacts does not preserve history, but disfigures it. The original bricks, which rise two or three feet from the ground, bear ancient inscriptions praising Nebuchadnezzar. Above these, Saddam Hussein’s workers laid more than 60-million sand-colored bricks inscribed with the words, “In the era of Saddam Hussein, protector of Iraq, who rebuilt civilization and rebuilt Babylon.” The new bricks began to crack after only ten years.

    2. The Tree is a symbol of the Economy. Daniel interprets King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream in this verse:

    Dan 4: 20 “The tree that you beheld, that grew great and became strong and the height of which finally reached the heavens and which was visible to all the earth. 21 and the foliage of which was fair, and the fruit of which was abundant, and on which there was food for all; under which the beasts of the field would dwell, and on the boughs of which the birds of the heavens would reside, 22 it is you, O king, because you have grown great and become strong, and your grandeur has grown great and reached to the heavens, and your rulership to the extremity of the earth.

    The tree is a metaphor for a skyscraper. The tree in this verse is also a symbol of the economy. In the same way the World Trade Center is also a symbol of the economy.

    3. Chop the tree down, but leave the foundation.

    Daniel 4: 23 “’And because the king beheld a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens, who was also saying; “Chop the tree down, and RUIN it. However, LEAVE its rootstock itself in earth, but with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the field, and with the dew of the heavens let it become wet, and with the beasts of the field let its portion be until seven times themselves pass over it.

    When the Twin Towers fell so did the DOW and the economy. The remaining structure was removed down to its foundation. The tower foundation is similar to the rootstock of the tree. The clean up took approx. 8 months. Date of ceremony marking end of the clean-up of the Twin Towers was: May 30, 2002. ( Note there were 7 buildings in the WTC.)

  141. on 16 Sep 2010 at 11:51 pm 141.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hi Curmudgeon at large,
    My point is that the Church hasn’t found the real prophecy in Daniel yet. I found one other person, by the name of Paul, that says that 911 was prophecied in the Bible, but he found it in Isaiah 30: 23 – 25

    In the day of the plenteous harvest… there shall be (news) upon every high mountain… in the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall – Isaiah 30:23 – 25

    Paul does go on to interpret Daniel, but he doesn’t see 911 in the story of Daniel.

  142. on 16 Sep 2010 at 11:58 pm 142.Melanie Stephan said …

    Paul found one verse, I found a whole Chapter. The Divine Interpretation:
    4. The End nears for Nebuchadnezzar and Saddam Hussein.
    After a year passes since the fall of the Towers (Skyscraper) both Nebuchadnezzar’s and Saddam’s regime begins to pass.

    Dan 4: 29 At the end of twelve lunar months he happened to be walking upon the royal place of Babylon. 30 The king was answering and saying: “Is not this Babylon the Great. , that I myself have built for the royal house with the strength of my might and for the dignity of my majesty?” 31 While the word was yet in the king’s mouth, there was a voice that fell from the heavens: “ To you it is being said, O Nebuchadnezzar the King, “The kingdom itself has gone away from you,

    The 2003 invasion of Iraq (March 20 – May 1, 2003), was the start of the conflict known as the Iraq War or Operation Iraqi Freedom in which a combined force of troops from the United States, alongside the United Kingdom, and smaller contingents from Australia and Poland invaded Iraq and toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein in 21 days of major combat operations.

    5. Period of exile for Nebuchadnezzar and Saddam.

    Daniel 4: 32 and from mankind they are driving even you away, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will be. Vegetation they will give even to you to eat just like bulls, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the most high is ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it.”

    After Saddam disappeared the US forces began eagerly searching for him and he was found on Dec. 13, 2003. When Saddam was found in a hole, approximately 7 months after the invasion he looked like this:

    Daniel 4:33 and with the dew of the heavens his own body got to be wet, until his very hair grew long just like eagles’ [feathers] and his nails like birds’ [claws]

    6. The Kings Son is Killed. His end comes when Daniel is summoned to Nebuchadnezzar’s palace to interpret the writing on the wall for the Kings son, Belshazzar. Starting at Daniel 5: 24, these verses tell the end of Nebuchadnezzar’s regime. In a similar story it is also the end of Saddam Hussein‘s rule.

    Daniel 5:24 Consequently from before him there was being sent to the back of a hand, and this very writing was inscribed. 25 And this is the writing that was inscribed: ME’NE. ME’NE, TE’KEL and PAR’SIN. 26 “This is the interpretation of the word: ME’NE, God has numbered [the days of] your kingdom and has finished it. 27 TE’KEL, you have been weighted in the balances and have been found deficient. 28 “PE’ERES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.” 29 At that time Bel-shaz’zar commanded, and they clothed Daniel with purple, with a necklace of gold about his neck; and they heralded concerning him that he was to become the third ruler in the kingdom. 30 In that very night Bel-shaz-sar the Chaldean king was killed. 31 and Da-rius the Mede himself received the kingdom, being about sixty two years old.

    The writing on the wall was for Qusay and Uday, the notorious sons of Saddam Hussein.
    From Wiki:

    On July 22, 2003, troops of the American 65th MP CO Airborne, aided by U.S. Special Forces, killed Qusay, his 14 year old son Mustapha, and his older brother Uday, during a raid on a home in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

    In both stories Nebuchadnezzar son is killed and so are Saddam’s sons. When a kings sons are killed then so is the Father, and that marks the end of his reign. Saddam was later brought to trial under the Iraqi interim government set up by US led forces. Saddam and his lawyers’ contesting the court’s authority and maintaining that he was still the President of Iraq. He was executed on December 30, 2006.

    To summarize from the prophet Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar and Saddam are exactly the same story.

  143. on 17 Sep 2010 at 12:12 am 143.Melanie Stephan said …

    To those of you that don’t like George Bush. Turns out he is Gods servant. He did Gods will. And Saddam Hussein got the wrath of God. So that means God didn’t like Saddam. God probably hateth him and his sons.

    And Daniel, who was a Jew, wrote about it thousands of years before there were ever Skyscrapers. But a Tree is like a Skyscraper. So, that makes Daniel a true prophet.

  144. on 17 Sep 2010 at 3:01 am 144.Hell Yeah said …

    Melanie,
    Relating that story as if the prophecy was told of 911 is rediculous. First of all, why wasn’t it two trees? Cutting trees down is a common story in history. Isn’t there a story out there about Washington cutting down the cherry tree? Should we try to relate that as well? LOL Or how about the Lord of the Rings story? And you do realize that Saddam had nothing to do with 911, right?

  145. on 17 Sep 2010 at 1:27 pm 145.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hi, Hell Yeah . . .I guess what your saying is that it is just coincidential that the story about Nebuchadnezzar and Saddam are exactly the same stories.

    Hell Yeah, did you see the picture of Saddam when the US forces found him. He looked exactly like Nebuchadnezzar during his period of madness.

    And to all of the Christians who have been commenting here. This is what I have to say to you: “All of you are 100% wrong about Jesus”. And God backs me up on this cause it says so in the Book of Genesis in the story about Adam and Eve. I start with the Tree of Knowledge of good and bad.

    God likes Trees.

  146. on 17 Sep 2010 at 8:16 pm 146.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, you asked. “First of all, why wasn’t it two trees?

    I asked myself that same question. “Why didn’t Nebuchadnezzar dream of two trees? This is what I think:

    The story is about twins. We have identical stories and we have two presidents with the same name. One is in Iraq and the other is in America, Saddam Hussein and Barack Hussein Obama.
    Both men bear the same name, “Warrior Nation”. In some ways both nations are the same (Twins). We have similarities and we also have differences.

    In ancient history, as in Babylon, we started out as one Nation. The nation divided and became two, and so on, and so on.

  147. on 17 Sep 2010 at 11:34 pm 147.Melanie Stephan said …

    Do you want me to tell you about the Tree of Knowledge of good and Bad in the Book of Genesis, Hell Yeah? Good, here it is:

    In the Book of Genesis, God is telling us two stories with the words of one. From the appearance of being the first two humans in creation Adam and Eve share a commonality with all of us. Adam and Eve are representatives for all of us. God has hidden a prophesy about the future in the story similar to the prophesy written in Daniel. The following is the interpretation of the story about Adam and Eve in the present. I start at Genesis 2:17 –

    Gen 2 : 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

    Trees don’t grow knowledge so I know God is talking in symbols. Knowledge comes from Books. Books are made from the pulp of trees. So the Tree is a Book. A Tree is a metaphor for a Book. This book has knowledge of good and bad. The Book is the Bible. The Bible contains the knowledge of good and bad. Besides I took this verse right out of the Bible. You can’t eat from a book and gain knowledge, but you can digest a book . As in Readers Digest. You are taking the words in, like food. God says, you will positively die. The Book has poison in it. The poison is the fruit on the tree.

    What is the fruit on the tree that we must not eat? Or, What is the fruit in the New Testament? We know that a Cross is also a Tree and Jesus was nailed to the tree. The fruit from the Bible is Jesus. Clues are Adam and Eve are bare naked. Bare sounds like Bear.

    The Tree bears Jesus

    The Tree of Knowledge is a Book, and the fruit on the tree is Jesus. This is what God is saying.

    Gen 2 : 17 But as for the (Book) of the knowledge of good and bad you must not (take in Jesus) from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

  148. on 17 Sep 2010 at 11:51 pm 148.Melanie Stephan said …

    If this comes as a shock to you, remember Jews don’t believe in Jesus. They have good reasons not to. Did it ever dawn on any of you that the Jews could be right?

  149. on 18 Sep 2010 at 1:27 pm 149.Biff said …

    Messianic Jews believe in Jesus and I believe they are right. 330 prophecies fulfilled by one man is strong evidence.

  150. on 19 Sep 2010 at 10:28 pm 150.Melanie Stephan said …

    Biff, your 100% wrong. Jesus never fulfilled one prophecy. You can’t even name one. Jesus said he would return soon. That was 2000 years ago. 2000 years is not soon.

  151. on 20 Sep 2010 at 3:24 am 151.Biff said …

    Melanie,

    You new to read up on your OT as well as the Gospels. Read it for yourself, don’t let the priest, Rabbis, or even me do the reading for you. Very dangerous. There is around 330 prophecies.

  152. on 21 Sep 2010 at 2:02 am 152.Hell Yeah said …

    Melanie,
    We both have an e, l, and a in our names. Golly, there must be a god out there then!

    You also brought up an interesting point about Jews (and other religions) not believing in Jesus. What makes you not believe in Jesus? Christians, if there are people out there that don’t believe in Jesus, but believe in a God, then why do you believe in Jesus? Atheists just take one step further than not believing in Jesus, and that is not believing in God. If it is possible to believe in a God without Jesus, then why isn’t it possible to not have a God at all? Think about it. If the story of Jesus can be made up, then why isn’t the story of God made up? Watch the movie called the Invention of Lying, and you can skip to the middle if you want on the part where he is telling his mom as she is dying that there is an afterlife just to comfort her since she is dying. This is how the story of a heaven began. Only to comfort dying people and those afraid of dying.

  153. on 21 Sep 2010 at 7:48 am 153.Severin said …

    348 Biff
    “Messianic Jews believe in Jesus and I believe they are right.”

    Egyptians believed in Ra, and I believe they were right.
    So did Aztecs, Greeks, Polynesian and African tribes…. believe in their gods (and still believe!) and I think they all were/are right.

    You prove why Jesus/Biblical god is better or more real than all other gods!

  154. on 21 Sep 2010 at 4:46 pm 154.truthteller7 said …

    hello room regarding post 322 …..severin i never said i dont trust science however i have had vaccines but recently come to the knowledge that they dont help people they make certain people infertile part of a massive global scheme to cut down the earths population by 90 percent for the new world order

  155. on 21 Sep 2010 at 4:50 pm 155.truthteller7 said …

    theres a quote in the bible that says the one saying theres no jehovah is the lawless one and among the is no one doing good. that means those who say there isnt a supreme god is lawless and out of everyone of you none of you are doing good …isnt that sad

  156. on 21 Sep 2010 at 9:24 pm 156.Biff said …

    Severin, you worship Ra? How is that working for you?

  157. on 22 Sep 2010 at 4:35 am 157.Severin said …

    353
    truthteller
    “however i have had vaccines but recently come to the knowledge that they dont help people they make certain people infertile part of a massive global scheme to cut down the earths population by 90 percent for the new world order…”

    Please find some fascist or communist blog to spread ideas about global conspiracy.
    I do not think this is the right place to talk such BS.

  158. on 23 Sep 2010 at 1:47 am 158.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, we both have an E, A, L and an h in our names. Do you see it?

    You asked: “What makes you not believe in Jesus? Now Jesus was a real man, his real name was not Jesus. The Romans made that name up.

    This is the real story about Jesus. He was born and lived in Jerusalem. He was taken to Rome with other prisoners. He was served up to the Goddess Diana at a late summer event. After the Romans taught him a lesson about who was more superior his body was tossed over the Tarpeian Rock. This is the place the Romans dispose of human trash. That means that when you die your old body is trash. Your old body does not come back to life.

    God comes for his son. Jesus is taken back to his fathers house where he receives a beautiful new body. Jesus is not his real name. His real name is John. The body of Christ is bread. Bread is Dough. Johns last name is Doe.

    That means that John was not the prophet. The latin meaning of the word “Sus” is Swine. Je-sus tranlated from Latin means Pigman. That is what the Romans thought of the Jews, they were swine. The entire New Testament is an insult to the Jews.

    You don’t have to believe me go Google and find out for yourself.

    And God says so right in Genesis in the story about Adam and Eve. Jesus is the fruit in the Bible (NT). The Tree Bears Jesus.

  159. on 23 Sep 2010 at 1:49 am 159.Melanie Stephan said …

    E,A, L and H makes Heal.

  160. on 23 Sep 2010 at 1:56 am 160.Melanie Stephan said …

    Biff, just name one of 330 prophesis.

  161. on 16 Oct 2010 at 8:11 pm 161.Maineac said …

    This is a quite a rambling blog. I read the first few posts and then skipped to the end so go ahead and berate me for not reading the whole thing.

    For a little back ground, I was raised a southern baptist, I am now a humanist.

    To the question, “What can you do that will send you to hell?” the answer is be born. To avoid hell you just have to accept Jesus as your savior.

    On the bigger question of religion, it plays a valuable role for many people. The purpose of religion is to answer the un-answerable questions. Ten thousand years ago that might have been “What is that big ball of fire that travels across sky every day and warms me?” and “Why does it come some days and not others?” and, more important, “What can I do to make sure it comes back?”

    As our science advanced we learned what warmed the earth and so we ridicule those who worshiped the sun. Yet we still have unanswerable questions. For instance, “What happens when we die?” The vast majority of us agree that for all living things, EXCEPT humans, decay follows death. Perhaps some day the tipping point will come and the majority of us will realize that we too, like other living things, simply decay when we die.

    That still leaves perhaps the most important question science may never answer …

    Why?

  162. on 18 Oct 2010 at 11:57 pm 162.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hi Maineac,
    You asked, Why? That is the age old question, why do we die? The answer is we don’t die, your old body does decay, but you don’t die. Your body has two parts. Like a bird when it’s born leaves behind an empty shell. Your body is like a shell, when you are born into the next world all you leave behind is an empty shell. When you leave behind your shell you are born into the next new like a new born bird. Your old shell is trash. Jesus did not walk around in his old body after he was crucified.

  163. on 19 Oct 2010 at 12:07 am 163.Hell Yeah said …

    Melanie said, “we don’t die, your old body does decay, but you don’t die. Your body has two parts. Like a bird when it’s born leaves behind an empty shell. Your body is like a shell, when you are born into the next world all you leave behind is an empty shell. When you leave behind your shell you are born into the next new like a new born bird. Your old shell is trash. Jesus did not walk around in his old body after he was crucified.”

    Thank you. I just got my big laugh for the day. Last I remember, you leave your mom’s womb behind when you are born. And last I remember, birds don’t have a life inside that shell.

    And our body only has one part. Our body is made up of chemical reactions which our mind is part of. When our body dies, so do these chemical reactions that make up our mind.

  164. on 20 Oct 2010 at 12:10 am 164.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, I’m happy I got a laugh out of you. Life is far more complicated than just chemical reactions. The story about Adam and Eve is about deception. The snake decieves Eve and she takes the fruit.

    In the book of Genesis, God tells us exactly who Satan is. Satan has deceived the whole world. It also says that God created Satan in the same verse.

    But, before I go to the verse I need to make a point about talking snakes. You can’t read the story about Adam and Eve literally for one reason; and that is 1: ‘Snakes don’t talk‘. The first question you have to ask yourself is, ‘How does this snake manage to talk?’ Some people who are reading this literally put it aside. They must be thinking, Well this is God talking and there are things I don’t know about. So they sweep it aside. Yea, there are things you don’t know about if you think that way. The thing you don’t know is that, Snakes don’t talk.

    In this verse God tells us exactly who Satan is:

    Genesis 3 : 1 Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, “You must not eat from it, no, You must not touch it that you do not die.’”

    The snake talks. Again we know that snakes don’t talk so God is talking in symbols. God says the snake is a wild beast. That’s not true, snakes are reptiles. A beast is a mammal. God didn’t make a mistake by saying, wild beasts, he knows what he’s doing. So the Serpent is really a mammal that talks. Man is the only mammal that talks. The serpent is really a man. Then, how do snakes deceive us. We think the snake is a stick until we almost step on it. Then it moves. Now we know the Serpent is a Man with characteristics of a stick. The snake speaks from the stick. Does this sound familiar:

    The Church speaks from the Cross.

    The Cross is a metaphor for a Stick. The serpent talks from the stick and the Church talks from the Cross. If it sounds the same it is the same. The Roman Catholic Pagan Church is Satan, The great deceiver. Who would have ever known if it hadn’t been written by God himself right into the Bible. Satan is really the Christian Church.

  165. on 20 Oct 2010 at 12:24 am 165.Melanie Stephan said …

    Now Christians really worship Satan. Satan is the great deciever. “Genesis 3 : 1 Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that God had made.” God created all of the wild beasts, that means he also created Satan.

    Your being deceived and God is behind it. Yet there is even a better deception that Satan.

    Now, lets go to Quantum Mechanics, and the two world theory. You don’t need to know everything about atoms, just read up on the theory. By the way Atom and Adam sound exactly the same. Adam is made from of Clay in the creation story. Clay is fine particals. Atoms are particals broken down to where they can’t be divided. Very similar.
    God is telling you about Atoms before the word is ever added to the language.

    The big deception is that your in two worlds at the same time. One World is real and the other world is a reflection of the other. Your not in the real world right now. Everything you see is a deception.

  166. on 20 Oct 2010 at 12:28 am 166.Hell Yeah said …

    Oh, geeze…just when I thought believers of God couldn’t get any more crazier. Hor, Lou, Boz, etc, what do you think of what Melanie is saying? I bet even you think her ideas are crazy.

  167. on 20 Oct 2010 at 3:33 pm 167.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, Have you ever heard of the infamous double slit experiment in Quantum Mechanics. If not it is well worth taking a look at. The results of this experiment has scientists baffled and has changed the way science views the properties of matter. In the experiment Matter,atoms behave like energy. How can that happen? I have a good idea on what’s going on. I know it is part of the big deception. Things, Matter, for that matter, are not quite what we think they are.

    If you knew that God was watching you all the time, you might change your behavior. In the double slit experiment when an observer is added, the results of the experiment change. How could that happen? Matter knows it is being watched and then changes its behvior in the experiment.

    Now I figured all of this out by reading Genesis. God put a hidden message in the story. He wrote 2 stories with the words of one story. If you knew how to crack code, you might be able to see it for yourself. If you read Genesis literally your not going to get it all.

  168. on 21 Oct 2010 at 12:05 am 168.Hell Yeah said …

    “Matter knows it is being watched”

    So if matter has a mind, then maybe it intelligently designed it’s own complexity without a God, instead of just random events over a long period of time. LOL

  169. on 21 Oct 2010 at 3:22 pm 169.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, I think your on to something. This could be a new theory. The new theory is: “Intelligence is not restricted to living creatures but also includes all Matter, or anything whos parts consist of Atoms”.

    Then there is an even bigger question. Why do Atoms have intelligence?

  170. on 21 Oct 2010 at 4:25 pm 170.Severin said …

    368 MS
    “Why do Atoms have intelligence?”

    Much simpler question for you: why not?

  171. on 22 Oct 2010 at 6:55 pm 171.Melanie Stephan said …

    Definition of Atom: the smallest particle of a chemical element that can exist alone or in combination.

    So, If we are down the the smallest particle of an element. Where whould the intelligence be located?

  172. on 22 Oct 2010 at 9:17 pm 172.Severin said …

    370 MS
    “So, If we are down the the smallest particle of an element. Where whould the intelligence be located?”

    In given and defined conditions an atom will always act the same way. There will be no exceptions.
    Laws of physics rule the behaviour of everything, including atoms and their parts, and they act always the same way in same conditions.

    Why is it necessary intelligence to be located “inside” of something?
    Why not “around” something?
    Or, maybe, that “something” = intelligence itself!

    If we use a partial definition of „intelligence“ as ability to „recognize“, to „plan“ and to „act“, natural laws fulfil it perfectly. An atom „recognizes“ changes in surrounding conditions, and according to „plans“ built in its structure, it „acts“ precisely (and PREDICTABLY! ALLWAYS the same way!).
    VERY intelligent, I would say!

    I would say (without pretending to be necessarily right) that natural laws are a SORT of “intelligence” immanent to matter/energy, „built in“ their structure.

    Someone might jump and say: he is talking god!
    Maybe!
    I am NOT talking god the creator, because we immediatelly meet the problem of creator’s creator, creator’s creator’s creator, etc.

    If someone says that god did create universe but was never created himself (he “just existed”, or what), I (and everyone with a grain of brain) pose the question: if god was not created, WHY, the hell, matter/energy MUST have been created?
    WHY can’t we say the same for matter/energy: they were not created, they just existed and transformed according to their immanent „intelligence“ to different forms?
    It sound more logical than some „hokus-pokus“ creation done by “immaterial” “timeless” (etc) creature.

    So I do not agre creation theory, but do agree (for now, untill we learn more) to put:
    Matter/energy = god

    Of course (Need to explain? Hope not!), such a „god“ has nothing to do with any of million gods invented on planet earth by humans.

  173. on 22 Oct 2010 at 9:20 pm 173.Severin said …

    370 MS

    Correction:
    matter/energy/natural laws = god

  174. on 22 Oct 2010 at 9:28 pm 174.Hell Yeah said …

    For those of you who believe in a God had to create the universe because of its complexity, then why do some of you believe there is an afterlife that humans go to? How does that relate?

  175. on 23 Oct 2010 at 3:45 pm 175.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, I know there is a God. Just like you have parents, so does God. And God himself does not know how all of this started, however he does know far more about it than you do. The Laws of Nature and Science are far more complex than could ever be imagined. Even by God himself.

    Yeah, go and laugh.

    Life is like a Black Box. The box works for the owner, but the owner does not know how the box works.

  176. on 23 Oct 2010 at 3:51 pm 176.Melanie Stephan said …

    There are two worlds. You are in both worlds at the same time. Now why can’t you see the other world? I know the answer. A clue has to do with dreaming. It also answers the question: “Why do we dream?

    Now don’t say Oh, that is BS. Quantum Mechanics two world theory backs me up on this.

  177. on 23 Oct 2010 at 5:16 pm 177.Hell Yeah said …

    “There are two worlds. You are in both worlds at the same time. Now why can’t you see the other world? I know the answer. A clue has to do with dreaming.”

    Melanie,
    Did you get your ideas from watching Avatar? LOL You might want to do research on why we actually dream. It isn’t because we are in two different worlds at the same time.

    ———–

    “I know there is a God. Just like you have parents, so does God. And God himself does not know how all of this started.”

    Watch too many science fiction movies? Yes, you do have an imaginary mind, but please don’t make shit up as you go. And please tell that to the people that believe God knows everything.

  178. on 23 Oct 2010 at 6:54 pm 178.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hell Yeah, I rather talk to the atheists cause I think they may have more of a working brain than the Christians do. Some of them are real haters if you don’t think like they do.

    OK, when your dreaming, how many worlds are you in at the same time? The answer is two. Your in the dream world and you are also asleep at home in bed. While you are dreaming you are totally unaware that you are asleep in bed. If you are having a vivid dream everything seems to be very real in the dream world. Your dreams take you to a completely different place while all the time you are in bed at home. And last of all you can’t see the real world that you are in while you are dreaming.

    And I am not making shit up as I go. I believe all of this to be true.

  179. on 23 Oct 2010 at 7:04 pm 179.Melanie Stephan said …

    Right now you are dreaming. This is not the real world, your in the dream wold. Yes, everything seems very real to me too. When you wake up, you will be back in the real world. That is how you resurrect. Resurrect: to raise from the dead. Sleep is like death. When you wake up you resurrect.

    What do think dreams are made of? Atoms

  180. on 24 Oct 2010 at 12:17 am 180.Melanie Stephan said …

    The time that has passed while you are sleeping in the other world is ONE day. That means your entire life in this world amounts to days, and years but only one day has passed in the other world. (See Einsteins theory of relativity.)
    When you die in this world you wake up in the other world and only ONE day has passed there. Just like you remember your dreams here. You will remember your life in this world. You will remember everything. When you wake up you will be in the same place you were before you came to this world. Everything will be familiar and everything will be exactly the same as the day you left it. Some of this information is in the story about Adam and Eve. Some I found elsewhere.

    Genesis 2:21 Hence God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place. 22 And God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.

    The story continues, but never does it say that the man woke up. The time Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden is one day. Their destiny was written before they left Heaven. There are two creation stories of man in Genesis. One is the creation on earth (Chapter 1) and the other is the creation in Heaven or Eden(Chapter 2). That makes two worlds. The Serpent in makes his entrance in Chapter 3.

    Now to complicate things even more. This cycle repeats. Just like days repeat. That means when you die in Heaven you will wake up in the next world (another Heaven). That makes three worlds. Then it repeats again(four worlds). That means there are multiple worlds. God, your father, is dying and he is going to the next world. Just like you will. If you do get to see him again it will be briefly.

  181. on 24 Oct 2010 at 3:24 am 181.CastroPatti said …

    I took my first credit loans when I was a teenager and it helped my family very much. But, I need the financial loan once again.

  182. on 24 Oct 2010 at 3:45 pm 182.nedmorlef said …

    when I hear the word “contradiction” it translates in my mind to “blind”.

    I have read the bible for many years. i have had many atheists share their “contradictions” . I am perplexed because,I have never read a contradiction in the bible.

    I think atheists read “green” and then they read “blue & yellow” and they don’t understand that green and blue & yellow is still green.

  183. on 24 Oct 2010 at 8:45 pm 183.Melanie Stephan said …

    Hi NedMorlef, is that your real name of did you make that up? Thank you for your knowledge in mixing primary colors. Are you mixing half and half or will a little dab a do ya?

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