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Christianity Thomas on 30 Jun 2010 12:17 am

Christianity is a sick death cult, by Christopher Hitchens

Is it moral to believe that your sins can be forgiven by the punishment of another person?

252 Responses to “Christianity is a sick death cult, by Christopher Hitchens”

  1. on 01 Jul 2010 at 3:07 pm 1.Horatio said …

    What is moral is up to the individual, right Chris?

  2. on 01 Jul 2010 at 3:42 pm 2.Martin said …

    Ok, Whore, since you are SO moral, where do you get your morals from? Do they come from the Bible, if so, what parts? Do you think that the bible is the unchallenged word of god, or do you pick and chose which parts you want to believe? If you do agree that some of the bible is allegory, which parts, and how do you decide which to believe and which to see as “story”?

    Please give me direction to where YOUR morals come from, and please don’t use the ten commandments, simply because you can’t follow them, and most of them have nothing to do with morals. So where do they come from?????????

  3. on 01 Jul 2010 at 4:05 pm 3.Martin said …

    Let us look at the book of Genesis, and the story of Abraham. This man whored his wife, not once but twice, then he obeyed god by agreeing to sacrifice his own son. And, we attribute Abraham as the father of the three major religions of the world, wow.

    I agree that by the MORALS of the time, what Abraham did might have been justified with emphasis on FOR THE TIME, but by today’s morals Abraham would be considered a freak. He would be arrested for being a pimp, for child abuse, and if he had killed his son, he would be tried for first degree murder. So, where in the story of Abraham, do you get your morals.

    Now, the tired retort of “that was the Old Testament, what about the New Testament” is getting really, really old. Jesus, the “paragon” of virtue, told his disciples that they should hate their parents, leave their families, and follow him. “If any man come to me and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and breathren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he can not be my disciple” Abandonment is NOT a morally correct position today, so is that your morality? What about the way Jesus spoke to his own mother?

    Now, on to today’s lovely Moralists, Pat Robertson, who would be seen as a comedian by most if he didn’t have such sway on the religious right wing nuts in America. Here’s a guy who claimed that Katrina wiped out New Orleans because of the lesbian comediene living there, and what of his statement to the citizens of Dover, Delaware when the voted off the extreme Right Winged city councilmen who wanted to force the school’s to teach creationism in the local schools.

    “I would like to say to the good citizens of Dover, that if there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to god.” Pat Robertson.

    In the story of Sodom and Gommorrah, Lot was visited by four angels, then the men of Sodom wanted Lot to give them up, instead Lot offered his own daughters to the mob, instead of his male visitors. Wow, what morals he had. Again, for the time, maybe that was acceptable, but by today’s standards, that is Pimpin. A similar story is found in Judges 19:23-24, when a Levite was faced with the same issue, and handed over his own daughter and a priest’s concubine to the mob and they raped her all night long. Wow, again…

    Why is it that man, just as soon as god turns his back, rush to worship idols. And, why is god so worried about this?

    Of course, the New Testament, in comparison to the old is a step up, but is it worthy of being our Moral guide? No, but I do agree that Jesus appeared to be moral, but where did he derive his morality, certainly NOT from the teachings of his upbringing.

    Of course the central thesis for Christianity is that of original sin, what is with this? So here it is, god incarnated himself as a man, Jesus, so that he could kill himself to atone for the sins of Adam. If god wanted to forgive our sins, what’s with the blood letting, why doesn’t he just forgive them, instead of torturing someone?

    Now, I wait to hear about YOUR moral views, where do they come from.. Of course there have been morals throughout history, LONG before Jesus, and in many parts of the world where Christianity does not exist. Could it be that being moral is simply akin to knowing that moral things are inherently beneficial to both ourselves, our families, and our societies in general? Just curious.

  4. on 02 Jul 2010 at 5:28 am 4.VMAX guy said …

    Thinking. It’s always the same thing. To think is to go insane.

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  5. on 02 Jul 2010 at 12:44 pm 5.Burebsta said …

    “If god wanted to forgive our sins, what’s with the blood letting, why doesn’t he just forgive them, instead of torturing someone?”

    God is just and payment must be made for violation of God’s holiness. Consider our own justice system when it works correctly. When a crime is committed, someone must pay the price. PTL Jesus was willing to pay the price for us.

    “Without the Shedding of Blood There Is No Remission of Sins” Heb 9:11-28

  6. on 02 Jul 2010 at 2:05 pm 6.Martin said …

    “God is just and payment must be made for violation of God’s holiness. ”

    What I find so amazing is that Christians continually jump back and forth between the old testament and the new, to prove a point. God is about as unjust as any “fantasy” person in existence. So, what you are saying is since Adam committed the “original sin” we, humanity, must pay, oh wait, Jesus paid for that sin when he died. Do you guys even Think or Read before you speak?

  7. on 02 Jul 2010 at 2:09 pm 7.Martin said …

    Also I thought the payment of sins was death, and then Hell. So, according to YOUR logic, since Jesus died for our sins, we are now free to do anything we want. Wow, maybe this Christian thing does have some merit, a get out of hell free card… Cool. No wonder Christians are so smug and usually do what they want, then go to church to ask forgiveness.

  8. on 02 Jul 2010 at 3:04 pm 8.Burebista said …

    “But unless you repent you will all likewise perish” Lk 13;3

    Repent means to turn from sin and turn to God. So know, there is no license to sin. Those who do have never been saved or born again.

    “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” Rom 6:1-3

  9. on 02 Jul 2010 at 7:25 pm 9.Martin said …

    So all Christians who have been born again are destined for heaven? Even the one who wrote me a personal note this week and because I am an atheist wished that, “you watch your children choke on a fish bone right in front of your eyes.”

    I won’t even repeat the rest of his vile rantings. No thank you, I’ll do good because it benefits the rest of society, NOT because it gets me in heaven, but thank you anyway. But, what of those who turn from sin, good people, but do not turn to god? Will your god be so jealous as to smite them for simply not worshiping him? Come, come, I believe your god, if he exists, has more to worry about than that, surely.

  10. on 02 Jul 2010 at 10:55 pm 10.Burebista said …

    “But, what of those who turn from sin, good people, but do not turn to god?”

    Turning to something other than God is sin and therefore would not be turning from sin. The Bible is also clear that out good works are like filthy rags in God’s eyes. Doing good is not for the purpose of heaven but as a result of a relationship with God.

    I cannot pass judgment on someone I don’t know. That is for God.

  11. on 03 Jul 2010 at 1:53 am 11.Martin said …

    “The Bible is also clear that out good works are like filthy rags in God’s eyes.”

    The bible is “clear” on a lot of things and some of them are NOT too pretty, so what do you say about that?

    I’m sorry, I just can’t swallow all the bible junk.

  12. on 03 Jul 2010 at 6:24 am 12.Ben said …

    The Bible is also clear that out good works are like filthy rags in God’s eyes.

    Actually it’s completely contradictory in this regard:

    Salvation is by faith, apart from works. (Romans 3:28; Galatians 2:16)
    Salvation is by good works, apart from faith. (James 2:17, 20, 26)

    Doesn’t seem very clear to me. I guess, and this is no surprise to me, that everybody just believes whatever bits they want to. For Christians, it’s easier to believe the “faith apart from works” part. That way they don’t have to do anything for others and they can denounce the good works of atheists and others are pointless.

  13. on 03 Jul 2010 at 7:17 am 13.Severin said …

    1 Horatio
    “What is moral is up to the individual, right Chris?”

    I am really happy to see this „comment“.
    All your „comments“ are in fact questions (exception: insults).

    You all the time forget that the question IMPLIES you opinion.
    It is obvious from your question that you think that moral does NOT come from individuals. Do you deny it?

    So, unless you want to be ignored as „no opinion“ person, who only bothers people with senseless comments without any meaning, please be so kind and directly answer us:
    1. WHAT is morality
    2. WHER it comes from

    You was one among a few who splitted hairs trying to explain people that killing of babies and ripping of pregnant women WAS NOT IMMORAL.

    Now just tell us how do YOU recognize what is and what is not moral!
    And WHERE DOES YOU KNOWLEDGE OF IT COME FROM?

  14. on 03 Jul 2010 at 7:25 am 14.Severin said …

    8 Burebista
    “So know, there is no license to sin.”

    What is sin?

  15. on 03 Jul 2010 at 7:35 am 15.Severin said …

    5 Burebista

    What is “holliness”?

  16. on 03 Jul 2010 at 7:36 am 16.Severin said …

    Sorry: What is “holiness”?

  17. on 03 Jul 2010 at 7:53 am 17.Severin said …

    10 Burebista
    „Turning to something other than God is sin and therefore would not be turning from sin.“

    Muslim suicide killers are turned to GOD. They NEVER turned to „something other than god“!
    Their devotion to GOD is UNQUESTIONABLE (they give their LIVES for GOD!).
    Obvious conclusion: they DO NOT SIN!

    Correct me if I am not right and explain why.

  18. on 03 Jul 2010 at 8:06 am 18.Severin said …

    10 Burebista
    “The Bible is also clear….”

    The Bible UNCONDITIONALLY orders to kill your wife if she was not virgin when married, on the treshold of her father, by stoning.

    THAT is CLEAR!

    Shall I recommend it to my brother’s son?

    My daugter is not married and certainly is not a virgin (because she is 30, and I know she lived with someone).
    Do I have to warry about what will happen if she marries a christian?

    Because the Bible is CLEAR about it! It can not be MORE CLEAR!

  19. on 03 Jul 2010 at 2:49 pm 19.Martin said …

    The largest problem with religion is the ingrained effects of FAITH that is taught by the church to children. Think about it, belief by faith alone is a virtue in religions, all religions. Children are taught in school to think, to reason, to experiment, to question – everything except religion. Religion is taught to children as something that is by faith alone, and as such religion gets a free pass when it comes to reason, thought, and questioning.

  20. on 03 Jul 2010 at 3:43 pm 20.Martin said …

    Of all that I wrote, the only response I got was to explain why was “God is just and payment must be made for violation of God’s holiness.”

    He then went on to compare this to our legal sytem in the US. But, to that I have to answer, in our system of laws we have an assurance that our punishment will not be cruel or unusual. Well, to me burning in hell for eternity is pretty much cruel, and you have to admit unusual.

    So, if I live a good life, I don’t break any laws, I do no harm and in fact help my fellow man, if I do not bow down and worship god, I am condemned to spend eternity in hell. That isn’t a legal system, that is what we call a dictatorship. The laws of god are not moral, they are not just, and thankfully, our system of government, laws, and legal system is NOT based on the god theory of legality.

  21. on 04 Jul 2010 at 2:05 am 21.3D said …

    2.Martin said …
    Ok, Whore, since you are SO moral, where do you get your morals from? Do they come from the Bible, if so, what parts? Do you think that the bible is the unchallenged word of god, or do you pick and chose which parts you want to believe? If you do agree that some of the bible is allegory, which parts, and how do you decide which to believe and which to see as “story”?
    Please give me direction to where YOUR morals come from, and please don’t use the ten commandments, simply because you can’t follow them, and most of them have nothing to do with morals. So where do they come from?????????

    Horatio gets his morals from Rush Limbaugh. The drug-addicted, multiple-divorced, slovenly racist who solicits underaged prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.

    As for a general answer to your question: as humans, we get our morals from life experience. We learn what is objectively good, what is objectively wrong, and how to react to situations in between that aren’t clear cut, over time.

    People who have been indoctrinated into cults like Christianity ALSO do this. Most of them are good people and form their morality the same way atheists do — by life experience. When their personal morality conflicts with the morality of the Bible (say, when the Bible advocates stoning, burning or child rape) they will go *against* the Bible, because they know it’s wrong.

    Different Christians will deal with this discrepancy in different ways — some of them will re-interpret the Bible so that it doesn’t really say the awful things it says. Some will just ignore the parts of the Bible they don’t like. Others, if they’re lucky, will find the cognitive dissonance too much to deal with and become atheists. But, most of them KNOW certain things are just objectively wrong, and reject them even if the Bible says they are good.

    The reason for that is that most humans have a built-in morality as an evolutionary development — morality protects the species because we band together to shun the abnormal people with no qualms about killing, raping, etc.

    Given enough time (hopefully) we will evolve further, to the point where we can shun the evils of the various Bibles as a species.

  22. on 04 Jul 2010 at 12:23 pm 22.Truth & Reality said …

    A couple of truths come to light here.

    1. Atheists are more about politics than religion. Religious incorporate the likes of Conservatives, Moderates, Liberals, R, D, etc while atheist can be found to white and far left in the political arena. The exceptions prove the rule. The religious encompass a wide array of races, creeds and political affiliations while atheists are very predictable. They follow their college professors who brains wash them into their belief systems. The religious are much better rounded. Therefore, politics is there driving force, not evidence for against God.

    2. Second truth is the claims the brightest among us are atheist. Not true as well. The brightest among us do not necessarily go into science and science is not capable of disproving God. That is not the purpose of science, therefore the brightest among us who MAY go into science are not any more qualified than Joe the plumber to determine if God exists. Many of our brightest enter other area of society where there contributions are equally as valid. The majority in science are not necessarily atheist. It depends on whose study you desire to believe. Consider as well the political pressure in science not to believe in God. We see that in the lives of men like Francis Collins & Michael Behe.

  23. on 04 Jul 2010 at 1:21 pm 23.Severin said …

    22 T & R

    Why tirades?

    The question was extremely short and clear:
    If YOU stated that lot of people who were ready to die for Christ makes Christ real, then what with Allah? Many died for him and many die for him today, I would say MUCH more than those who die for christianity.

    Atheism, science (etc)from your #22 comment have nothing to do with this simple question.

    Again: does YOUR argument apply to muslim god?

  24. on 04 Jul 2010 at 1:49 pm 24.Martin said …

    “They follow their college professors who brains wash them into their belief systems.”

    But, you just said to me that I should get an education, and that you attend church with college professors and you live in a community with four universities. Which is it, sport?

  25. on 04 Jul 2010 at 1:51 pm 25.Martin said …

    “They follow their college professors who brains wash them into their belief systems.”

    And YOU had the audacity to say something about MY grammar… Wow. I didn’t know anyone could be brains washed, how many brains do I have?

  26. on 04 Jul 2010 at 1:56 pm 26.Martin said …

    Thank you 3D, well put. As for Truth, your arguments do not mean ANYTHING, primarily because you only make statements that prove NOTHING.

    You opine on and on about how religious college professors are, and how science can not disprove god. Science doesn’t have to disprove god, it seeks to prove the truth, and god is not the truth; therefore, science does disprove god. Actually the burden of proof is on those like you, those who make the claim, and usually your “evidence” is based purely on faith and personal attacks.

  27. on 04 Jul 2010 at 2:04 pm 27.Martin said …

    “The religious are much better rounded.”

    I would like to see the proof of this statement, that religious people are more well-rounded. I find that to be quite the opposite, and inspite of your taunts to me, I think I have spent more time among both the religious and the non-religious than most.

    The actual truth is that both religious and non-religious people are intelligent, probably about equally. It isn’t about intelligence or even education, although it has been proven that there is a correlation between the level of education and the level of disbelief in a personal god, it is about using one’s ability to reason, think, and NOT just blindly follow the teachings of your parents.

    Nearly ALL people who are born into Christianity are Christians because of that fact, they were born into it. If you had been born in Iran, you would most probably be a Muslim. As I said, and no one listens, indoctrination into FAITH is done early and often, and it’s hard to break that brain washing.

  28. on 04 Jul 2010 at 2:09 pm 28.Martin said …

    “not any more qualified than Joe the plumber to determine if God exists.”

    So, Truth, what are you qualifications then to determine that your god exists? Are you a plumber?

  29. on 04 Jul 2010 at 2:11 pm 29.Martin said …

    “Therefore, politics is there driving force, not evidence for against God.”

    Son, the next time you have the audacity to make a statement about someone else’s grammar and writing, read your own, please. Whose driving force are you making reference to in the above statement?

  30. on 04 Jul 2010 at 3:08 pm 30.Severin said …

    21 3D
    „…as humans, we get our morals from life experience.“

    Some of it, yes, but:

    „…most humans have a built-in morality as an evolutionary development — morality protects the species because we band together to shun the abnormal people with no qualms about killing, raping, etc.“

    Our laws are clear evidence that evolution is doing its job very well, and very rapidly in some cases!

    Compare biblical laws to modern laws!
    What a progress in only 2000 years!
    Physically, humans did not change that much for 2000 years, as they did mentally.

    That IS evolution, supported by human intelligence.

  31. on 04 Jul 2010 at 3:29 pm 31.Martin said …

    I am here to contend that religion is based on a system of child abuse. Children are forced into an indoctrination of their parents’ belief system without any say whatsoever. Think about it, children are not given the opportuntity to make a decision on their belief system, they are taught to blindly believe, blindly accept the stories of their religion, the doctrines that are taught.

    We then, especially as Americans, wonder why our children lag so far behind other nations in science and math. Why would we not, we are taught from birth that the earth was created by god, in six days, sometimes taught that this occured just over six thousand years ago. We are taught creationism before we ever hear about evolution, and then when we do, we have this intellectual conflict between reason and belief.

    Then, people who dogmatically hang on to this faith, attack those of us who have somehow been able to break away from the abusive indoctrination of our childhood. Think about it for a moment, Christians can look at other religions like Islam, Scientologists, Mormons, and others, and see with clarity that their claims of mystical and magical deities are nonsense. And yet, Christians can not distinguish that their own system of belief is based on the same dogmatic “faith” that the mystical and magical events of the bible are real.

    In Mormonism, there are magical gold plates that rise into the heavens, never to be seen again and in Christianity, a magical man (Jesus) rises into heaven never to be seen again. The only proof of either of these events is a book, the Book of Mormon and the New Testament. I challenge a Christian to give me a NON-Theistic argument for why one belief system is wrong while the other is “real.” The same can be said for Scientology or Islam. In fact, I believe that the same argument can be made for nearly EVERY theistic belief system. Why is one right, and the rest wrong? What proof does anyone bring to the table for each?

    This should be, and is, my cornerstone for the arguments for and against theism. No name calling, no childish come-backs, just clearly state why YOUR theistic belief is right and theirs are all wrong. With evidence to back it up, I will consider all.

  32. on 04 Jul 2010 at 4:36 pm 32.Burebista said …

    #22 @ T&R

    Two great points. You are absolutely correct. Back in my college days we had a couple of loud atheist professors. They had their little group of followers who believed every word these guys uttered. It is sad and of course they were all far left loonies.

  33. on 04 Jul 2010 at 7:56 pm 33.Martin said …

    Just for those who will find great pleasure in this, I will come here no more. I have actually found a forum where debate is possible without ridicule, where theists do not bait one into a pissing match, and I apologize for having been baited on occasion.

    Since there are so few theists who come here, the debates are with the same tired old religious few, who offer NOTHING of new value or value at all. The ad hominem arguments tire me, and I wish all of you well in your “debates” as I am off to debate with real theologians and atheists bent on a serious discussion, not a pissing match.

    Have fun in my absence, and know when you post a response to this, I will not read it, so have fun.

    Goodbye.

  34. on 16 Jul 2010 at 6:52 pm 34.prosto_ia said …

    Sacrifice presupposes existence of power stronger than you, able to do something you can’t, who defines the law for you. You sacrifice to mighty deities, not to yourself, according to law, which is above you.
    God sacrificed his only son – but whom? Is there a stronger sacrifice addressee? Who is in the position to forgive all our sins – isn’t it the God himself? But if he’s almighty, he could simply forgive our sins without asking for that sacrifice. Why he chose himself that scenario? Are there absolute laws in the universe, that God must obey and follow? Or he’s the one, who defines the law?
    What God did in this story resembles the old joke about a guy, who killed his own parents and asked the judge for a mercy, crying “I’m an orphan!”

  35. on 02 Aug 2010 at 9:32 pm 35.It's true! said …

    Sigh. I know you’re just gonna think I’m another christian trying to convert everybody, but God is real. Very, very real.

    If you think he doesn’t exist, then why not give him a chance. Why don’t you see if he’s actually real. Try to find him. What have you got to lose?

    I’ve seen many shows where people are talking about how they got born again and at first they thought God was imaginary. But when they dared to take a chance, and invited him into their hearts, they were blown away. They didn’t really think he was real, but when he answered them, they believed.

    It’s better to try than to not try because you’re afraid you’ll feel like a fool if you don’t get any response, right? So seriously, take a chance, you won’t regret it. I’m not a pastor or anything, but just try it, ok? Just read about what Jesus did, and if you don’t believe it… Well, what can I say? :( And if you do! Wow you’re gonna feel so happy, like there’s a hope for everything and you don’t have to worry about a thing. Yeah I know I sound crazy, but try it, ok?_Bye
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  36. on 03 Aug 2010 at 1:58 am 36.A real-ist said …

    Um, trying reading these other posts where the majority of the discussion is in……Where do these crazy people come from? LOL

  37. on 25 Apr 2013 at 3:53 pm 37.Michael said …

    It is pretty obvious when reading the new testament that it is a cult of death. Jesus speaks often about revelation. He speaks of the end. In fact, he promises it. It’s why he said things like “turn the other cheek” and “dont lust in your heart.” its because he thought the world was ending soon and that you best be as nice as possible before judgement day.

    christians seem completely unaware of this and feebly attempt to reconcile a book full of ideas for being on your “best behavior” for god with an ongoing and evolving society of super intelligent animals.

    ignorance, pure and simple.

  38. on 25 Apr 2013 at 4:49 pm 38.Jas said …

    Michael I disagree,it is a system of life where eternal begins after this short life. Before judging a book you should read it.

    As for the cult if death, nobody has made it out of this life yet welcome to the cult.

  39. on 25 Apr 2013 at 5:07 pm 39.Anonymous said …

    Jas, Michael specially refers to the new testament yet you respond with a typical “you should read the bible”.

    Have you read the bible, in its entirety, on your own? Not with someone interpreting it, but with you reading it?

    Next. If Christianity is about the next life, why do Christians battle to hold on to this one? Shouldn’t you be all out with a couldn’t care less attitude hoping today is the day you get to the good bit?

  40. on 25 Apr 2013 at 5:38 pm 40.Jas said …

    We battle in this life because the Bible tells us we are in a Spiritual battle and we are to run the race with faith and perseverance.

    You haven’t read the book either or you would know something so obvious.

  41. on 25 Apr 2013 at 5:41 pm 41.Jas said …

    To show you that yo do not read I did not tell Michael to read the Bible, I refereed to the book. Check your quote and quote accurately.

  42. on 25 Apr 2013 at 5:45 pm 42.Anonymous said …

    Jas, how does that answer either question?

    And as you keep referring to the bible, does that mean that everything that is commanded you do?

  43. on 25 Apr 2013 at 5:50 pm 43.A said …

    Jas

    Anony the Mouse will not come clean and he will continue to distort and twist words. You corrected Michael and now Anony the Mouse would like to tear you down with spin and lies. He also will refuse to answer questions.

    Ignore this troll.

  44. on 25 Apr 2013 at 6:21 pm 44.Anonymous said …

    Jas, you are absolutely right. I paraphrased what you said. Were you asking Michael to read something other than the bible?

  45. on 25 Apr 2013 at 7:12 pm 45.Jas said …

    A it is apparent Anonymous has little intent on being honest. He paraphrases, or lies, about my posts then refuses to see answers.

    Where did I say Christianity is about the next life? No wonder Michael is so confused. Michael needs to read again whatever book he was reading without adding his own preconceptions.

    PS The Bible is made up of 66 books.

  46. on 25 Apr 2013 at 8:12 pm 46.Michael said …

    “Michael I disagree,it is a system of life where eternal begins after this short life. Before judging a book you should read it.”

    I have Jas. That’s why i speak with such confidence.

    The entirety of Jesus teachings revolved around the idea that the end of days was near. Jesus did not teach to cast aside family and to ignore planning for the future because he believed that the end was at hand.

    It’s why he was happy to die, and he died for the crime of sedition. He literally asked them to kill him.

    Luke 22:

    66 At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and the teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. 67 “If you are the Messiah,” they said, “tell us.”

    Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me, 68 and if I asked you, you would not answer. 69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”

    70 They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?”

    He replied, “You say that I am.”

    71 Then they said, “Why do we need any more testimony? We have heard it from his own lips.”

    Jesus refuses to say that he is god, the son of god or the messiah here; but he was happy to go along with their claiming that he was. Because death was a gift.

    To believers, this life isn’t real. It does not matter. It is a stepping stone to something greater.

    And that’s why its dangerous beyond words and needs to be constantly battled in order to save this world.

    You keep your heaven.

    And I will keep this life.

    Just get the fuck out of the way.

  47. on 25 Apr 2013 at 8:53 pm 47.Jas said …

    Michael

    You still failed to show one quote where Jesus states the end is near. Your ignorance continues to show. Jesus indeed knew his time was short but never gave a date for the end of the world.

    Look at just one of your claims…..

    “Jesus refuses to say that he is god, the son of god or the messiah here; but he was happy to go along with their claiming that he was. Because death was a gift.”

    Because death was a gift? Can you provide any evidence for this. I reality, from Jesus own mouth

    “Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

    So much for your assumption of the gift in your translation.

    Again, read a book before you make ridiculous claims.

    I will keep this life and I will gain heaven. I have never been nor will I ever be in your way. I will correct any bad theology you attempt to spread.

  48. on 25 Apr 2013 at 9:01 pm 48.The messenger said …

    thomas, Christianity is not a sick death cult.

    Jesus died on the cross to prove to all of us that he can forgive all sins. We did not ask him to do that, and we did not force him to do that. hecould have lifted himself off of that cross and turned all of the romans to dust, but instead, he showed mercy and love, and proved once and for all that he can forgive all sins.

    P.S., GOD will not punish anyone else for our sins.

  49. on 25 Apr 2013 at 9:06 pm 49.The messenger said …

    thomas, Christianity is not a sick death cult.

    Jesus died on the cross to prove to all of us that he can forgive all sins. We did not ask him to do that, and we did not force him to do that. He could have lifted himself off of that cross and turned all of the romans to dust, but instead, he showed mercy and love, and proved once and for all that he can forgive all sins.

    P.S., GOD will not punish anyone else for our sins.
    If a person sins, he will punish the person who sinned, no one else.

  50. on 25 Apr 2013 at 9:28 pm 50.alex said …

    “I will correct any bad theology you attempt to spread.”

    my theology is that your god is bullshit. you’re attempting to correct it with more bullshit? get 100 of your fellow morons and i will give you 30 biblical questions. do you think you all will come up with the same answers? fuck no, because all you morons pick and choose and interpret different bullshits.

    you trying to correct atheists is laughable and egotistical. who the fuck are you? atheists laugh at the 7 day creation, the ark, the talking ass (that’s also you), cursing the fig tree, blah, blah and you say the contrary? if it’s not bullshit, then prove it.

    don’t even try to turn it around and say i can’t disprove it. remember santa, you asshole. just because i cannot disprove him, doesn’t mean santa exists.

    fuck off.

  51. on 25 Apr 2013 at 9:31 pm 51.The messenger said …

    thomas, Christianity is not a sick death cult.

    Jesus died on the cross to prove to all of us that he can forgive all sins. We did not ask him to do that, and we did not force him to do that. He could have lifted himself off of that cross and turned all of the romans to dust, but instead, he showed mercy and love, and proved once and for all that he can forgive all sins.

    P.S., GOD will not punish anyone else for our sins.
    If a person sins, he will punish the person who sinned, no one else.

    ..

  52. on 26 Apr 2013 at 12:49 am 52.Anonymous said …

    “I will correct any bad theology you attempt to spread.” Fantastic!

    Does that mean you can also tell us which parts are metaphorical and which are literal? Messenger has told us that to find that out we must either consult with a priest in Kentucky or ask the Pope. Are you clearer in your understanding? It would be wonderful to find such a resource.

    Messenger, Jas in a treatise on honesty has told us that there are 66 books in the bible. Do you agree?

    What do you both think the answer would be if we asked a Jewish, or a Greek Orthodox, or a Mormon, or an Ethiopian Orthodox person?

  53. on 26 Apr 2013 at 12:18 pm 53.A said …

    Mike,

    Way to go! You are the first to actually read the mind of Christ. You must be the first to call death on a Cross a “gift”. Seeing how Jas provides an actual quote, we will need to call your analysis incorrect.

  54. on 26 Apr 2013 at 12:28 pm 54.michael said …

    http://www.jimfeeney.org/endtimesteachings.html

    here ya go jas. here is a whole webpage full of analysis.

    not sure why you think this is some sort of debate.

    there is a whole book called ‘revelation’

    it starts:The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

    again, im sorry if you dont read the book. and that the entire context of jesus teaching elude you, but you are just dead wrong.

    and if his teaching did not revolve around the idea of the end of days, how stupid would they be?

    if someone strikes you, turn the other cheek
    dont save and worry about tomorrow
    abandon your family
    dont think bad thoughts, because if you do you sin in your heart

    and its because they arent meant to.

    you name me one world leader or great man that follows these principles and has succeeded.

    as far as jesus asking to have suffering taken away, who wouldnt? there is a gigantic difference between being decapitated and crucified.

    he, as deluded as he obviously was, was convinced that he had to die. but as a human, he didnt want to. but as a religion zealot, he was convinced he had to.

    ‘Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.’

    forgive them? he forgives them? he is being tortured and beaten and he forgives them? this is not the mind of a rational person. this is the mind of someone who sees death as good.

    so you keep your heaven, because you will never be able to say that you lived one true life as long as you think that this reality is nothing more than the line to get into a really great party.

  55. on 26 Apr 2013 at 12:39 pm 55.Fluttershy said …

    You sick bastard.

    A poor mere man being tortured on a wooden cross is no “gift”, its torture, and praising the man for being tortured is just wrong.

  56. on 26 Apr 2013 at 1:30 pm 56.Michael said …

    flutterguy,

    never said it was good. never said i liked it.

    never recommended it for you, your kids, or myself.

    But Christians love death.

    They want it.

    And the torture in the case of Jesus was just a bad way to go.

    Not sure why the christian god decided to sacrifice his son/himself to himself in this manner.

    When i forgive someone I don’t require anything be sacrificed.

    the christian god does.

    and christians want death.

    And they want it for everyone.

    From wikipedia:

    In 1958, at a time of heightened fear of nuclear war and mutual destruction between the West and the Soviet Union, [Archbishop Geoffry] Fisher said that he was “convinced that it is never right to settle any policy simply out of fear of the consequences . . . For all I know it is within the providence of God that the human race should destroy itself in this manner [nuclear war].”[3] He was also quoted as saying that “The very worst the Bomb can do is to sweep a vast number of People from this world into the next into which they must all go anyway”.[4] He was heavily criticised in the press for this view, though a number of clergy, including Christopher Chavasse, Bishop of Rochester, defended him, saying that “In an evil world, war can be the lesser of the two evils.”[3]

    If you don’t like this idea, then don’t adhere to it.

    Find another religion.

    Or better yet, none at all.

    But the one thing I won’t allow people so say is “quite focusing on the love of death of my death cult.”

    It’s a death cult. It will always be a death cult. And it’s purpose is not to teach you how to live but how to prepare to die.

  57. on 26 Apr 2013 at 3:41 pm 57.Jas said …

    Michael,

    Your problem is clear. You listen to other people about Jesus rather than Jesus. You realize a 1000 years is like a day to God? So you listen to others, I’ll listen to Jesus.

    It is funny to some extent how confident the misguided can be.

  58. on 26 Apr 2013 at 4:03 pm 58.Michael said …

    Jas,

    the problem is not mine.

    I don’t struggle with this.

    i read the bible.

    the first half is horrible.

    the second half is meaningless.

    you listen to jesus.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    Enjoy your myth dumbass.

  59. on 26 Apr 2013 at 5:37 pm 59.A said …

    Alert! Bible study with Mike! lol!

    Notice how obsessed atheist are over this “myth”.

  60. on 26 Apr 2013 at 5:42 pm 60.alex said …

    “Notice how obsessed atheist are over this “myth”.”

    wrong. with all the religious sites out there, notice how the morons are obsessed with this site.

  61. on 26 Apr 2013 at 6:39 pm 61.michael said …

    I would argue that atheists, although the term atheist is admittedly is without substance, are obessed with mocking or ignoring myth.

    that’s thats only because I like words and understanding what they mean.

  62. on 26 Apr 2013 at 7:06 pm 62.A said …

    I could not argue atheists are without substance. I know a former atheist who told me that his obsession with religion was how God eventually reached him. Count it a blessin Michael.

  63. on 26 Apr 2013 at 8:31 pm 63.Michael said …

    the term atheist is admittedly is without substance.

    it doesnt mean anything. it is just the rejection of a idea.

    its not a moral view or world view or ideology.

  64. on 26 Apr 2013 at 8:48 pm 64.Jas said …

    Michael;

    Atheists like to make this claim but it simply is not true. Being an atheists there are many assumptions I can make about you that are true. You have your own authors, organizations, blogs, political affiliations that are just as true as they are for the term Christian. I did not even admit your obsession with the religious. Atheism is even now regarded as protected under the Constitution just are all other religions.

    Live with your delusion if you like but nobody buys into it.

  65. on 26 Apr 2013 at 8:55 pm 65.michael said …

    jas,

    its not a religion. its not a worldview. be skeptical of anyone that represents themselves as an ‘atheist’ or a ‘agnostic’ they are trying to pull one over on you. atheism isnt a belief. its non belief. and non belief isnt protected by the consitution. religon is. non belief is the neutral stance.

    the only reason that atheists organize is because you religious folk need monitored, lest you start burning people for witchcraft again.

  66. on 26 Apr 2013 at 9:01 pm 66.michael said …

    as an aside, isnt it obvious that non belief does need protected? what could it possibly represent? what damage could it do? how does just using common sense become suddenly dangerous? the fact that some people dont understand this really perplexes me.

  67. on 26 Apr 2013 at 9:22 pm 67.alex said …

    “how does just using common sense become suddenly dangerous? the fact that some people dont understand this really perplexes me.”

    because they know atheists are right. why else would the morons cry during a funeral. it’s not because all the deads are going to hell. it’s because they’ll never see them again, in hell/heaven. no? then why don’t the fuckhead xtians high-five each other when somebody dies?

    they also know that their precious redemption card is bullshit and the atheists know it. but the do-over option is nice to have when they get the urge for that little boy.

    yeah, i know. atheists do bad shit too, but xtians, in their shit mind can freely do it over and over again with the power of their redemption. nice, eh?

  68. on 26 Apr 2013 at 9:28 pm 68.michael said …

    then why don’t the fuckhead xtians high-five each other when somebody dies?

    hahahaha

    very good.

  69. on 26 Apr 2013 at 11:50 pm 69.the messenger said …

    65.michael, Jesus spoke against executing people.

    And one of the commandments states that murder is a crime against GOD.
    Therefore, burning someone at the stake is a sin.

  70. on 26 Apr 2013 at 11:58 pm 70.alex said …

    keep the sabbath holy, messenger asshole. but you don’t, coz you’re a dumbfuck who don’t even know your own book. go fuck yourself, ok?

    jesus drove the devil into the pigs! what a fucking hoot. and made the pigs go off the cliff even. you like it? messenger shit?

  71. on 26 Apr 2013 at 11:58 pm 71.the messenger said …

    67.alex, the reason that people cry at a funeral is because they will not see their relatives in a long time.

    But they get over that sorrow because they will see their relatives in heaven. eventually.

  72. on 27 Apr 2013 at 12:31 am 72.Martin said …

    “lest you start burning people for witchcraft again.”

    Those who died in the Salem witch trials – less than 30.

    Those who died under Atheist dictators – 200 million.

    I could take the atheist tactic and run from the terrible things some Christians did but being a man and one who takes a stand I chose to act like a man.

    Atheist resist common sense whilst 92% of the world embrace common sense. We need to be vigilant to keep these brutal animals out of power.

  73. on 27 Apr 2013 at 1:44 am 73.the messenger said …

    70.alex, I do not about you, but the most of us speak with proper English.

  74. on 27 Apr 2013 at 1:55 am 74.Fluttershy said …

    Brace yourselves, the dictator diversion is incoming…

  75. on 27 Apr 2013 at 4:00 am 75.michael said …

    ok martin.

    30 people die for no reason.

    “200 million” die because…of atheist dictators?

    your telling me that stalin thought there was no god, therefor it was a great idea to just start wiping out certain people? not everyone, just certain people. people in their way. people that challenged their authority. because of atheism.

    are you a complete jackass or what?

    you then say that atheists resist common sense.

    there is no helping you. you are far beyond talking to.

  76. on 27 Apr 2013 at 6:14 am 76.alex said …

    martin is a lyin bitch. look up his previous posts where he’s been called out many time. he keeps posting his bullshit here hoping that people won’t notice. he says 92% embrace common sense, meaning they all believe in different bullshit gods. reminder, most of the world don’t believe your xtian god, martin. give it up. you won’t go to heaven. bullshit motherfuckers like you will be continually outed out. go deliver your bibles and quit fucking with this site, you ass.

  77. on 27 Apr 2013 at 6:14 am 77.alex said …

    messenger, go fuck yourself.

  78. on 27 Apr 2013 at 11:45 am 78.Martin said …

    Michael,

    That is exactly what I am saying. Stalin believed in no God, developed his own morality and normalized his murdering ways. For atheists there are no absolutes therefore every man does whatever he wants.

  79. on 27 Apr 2013 at 2:10 pm 79.Fluttershy said …

    Again, generalisation.
    You are yet to prove absolute morals to us, so dont throw around morality like a sword.

  80. on 27 Apr 2013 at 2:47 pm 80.The messenger said …

    279.Fluttershy, the morals are in the Bible.

  81. on 27 Apr 2013 at 3:28 pm 81.Martin said …

    Flutter,

    who throws around swords??? What?

    You admit you live by relative morality thus proving my point about Stalin and atheists.

    Nothing to prove here. You don’t live by the teachings of Christ so you don’t have any absolute morality or a standard to judge actions immoral.

  82. on 27 Apr 2013 at 3:31 pm 82.michael said …

    martin,

    here is the difference.

    stalin believed in no god and developed his own morality.

    those are your words.

    his OWN morality.

    you cannot stop someone from doing this.

    but someone developing theie OWN MORALITY is notthe same as following a religious ideology.

    i dont believe in god. im a humanist, the best i can be. i would strangle a truckload of puppies to save the life of one aids riddled child. i would have nightmares for the rest of my life, but im prohuman, we are A number 1.

    my parents, believers in god, had no problem having a nurse hold me down and carving off the top of my penis. the mass of nerve endings that made sex pleasurable were clipped off me, only days out of the womb, because of religoous purposes.

    who is more moral?

    the non believer that loves humanity the best he can or my baby mutiliating parents?

    it harkens back to the idea that the good will do good. and the bad will find a way to do bad. but for a good person to do a bad thing….that takes religion.

    as long as this life is trite and unimportant, no one is safe. from either and atheist or a theist. the difference is atheists arent mandated to believe it.

  83. on 27 Apr 2013 at 4:15 pm 83.alex said …

    “For atheists there are no absolutes therefore every man does whatever he wants.”

    same shit with xtians, ain’t it? even with the bullshit, fearsome threat of hell, you motherfuckers still do it. why? the fucking, fantastic, justification power of the, did i say “motherfucking” redemption card?

    messenger, go fuck yourself.

  84. on 27 Apr 2013 at 4:24 pm 84.Anonymous said …

    Martin throw in some non sequiturs but does nothing to prove the existence of his god. As above, it’s one of his common diversions to avoid his inability to argue his actual case.

    Martin throws around the term absolute morality and teachings of Christ but when he’s challenged we get some vague wooly stuff about what those are. Almost certainly, like most followers, he will pick and chose which of these “teachings” to follow and which to not.

    The generalizations about atheists are disingenuous. He wants to argue about absolutes but that means that if he believed that his god commanded him to eat puppies, then he would be obligated to accept that to be morally correct. You know, like those other non-changing absolutes such as condoning slavery and mistreatment of women.

    Saying that someone is an atheist therefore they did something because they are an atheist is such sloppy reasoning.

    Stalin killed for political purposes. George Bush claimed that god told him to end the tyranny in Iraq. If Bush had launched a war against the French with the same pretext, that would have been just as OK by Martin’s standards of absolute morality.

    So much terrorism these days in carried on in the name of “god”. We’ve yet to see any proof that any of these gods is more real than the other. Yet, somehow, Martin and his ilk try to claim the moral high ground because their absolute moral values are someone better than someone other system of absolute moral values. Yeah, right.

    At best Martin is arguing that he needs to believe in something that he can’t prove to exist, in order to act in a way that benefits mankind. That’s such a sad commentary in and of itself.

  85. on 27 Apr 2013 at 6:28 pm 85.Martin said …

    Michael,

    If Stalin had been a follower of Christ he would had moral absolutes that would have kept him from murdering Christians, Jews and other countryman. Being an atheist leaves the door open to whatever he wanted and call it moral.

    You atheists like to blame religion for mass murderers but in reality it is your ilk responsible for the most murders in history. Your ilk continues their body of work in China.

    These are facts and they are undisputed.

  86. on 27 Apr 2013 at 7:18 pm 86.alex said …

    “If Stalin had been a follower of Christ he would had moral absolutes that would have kept him from murdering Christians, Jews and other countryman.”

    wrong again moron. the crusaders and the conquistadors have demonstrated that. your shit is going to keep getting called out, you fuck.

    the fact that you can’t produce your moral absolutes proves it doesn’t exist, you asshole. give it up. go ahead, turn it around. the absence of proof blah, blah…

  87. on 27 Apr 2013 at 8:01 pm 87.MrQ said …

    Martin

    If Stalin had been a follower of Christ he would had moral absolutes that would have kept him from murdering Christians, Jews and other countryman.

    Hey, how did being a good catholic help Hitler decide on absolute morality?

    Martin, I see that your confused here on two points. I will elaborate:
    1) Religious beliefs and morality are two separate entities. Hitler was a good catholic – look what he did. And, an example of secularism at work, Sweden is a country with the most atheists in the world – how does their socialist welfare state compare to your country? Do they have more or less compassion for their fellow human beings?

    2) You theists ALWAYS say that a god gives and TAKES life as it sees fit. It does not have to make sense. Your god has decided when a life must end. Your god has Omni-MAX capabilities, doesn’t it?

  88. on 27 Apr 2013 at 8:05 pm 88.alex said …

    to shut up martin, i’ve converted to being a follower of a god named “Barnard’s Star”. the almighty god only has one directive, “do good”. that’s why all you fuckers are bad. now, discard your bullshit gods and the foolishness that comes with it. hear ye. do it now. no time to lose.

    fuck off martin. you too messenger.

  89. on 28 Apr 2013 at 12:55 am 89.michael said …

    Hey martin,

    You said: “You atheists like to blame religion for mass murderers but in reality it is your ilk responsible for the most murders in history. Your ilk continues their body of work in China.”

    Well, you said a lot there. So let me ask you a question.

    can you name a peaceful society dominated by religion?

    you can name a country. Or a group of people in a historical context.

    If religion really has absolute morality to it, let alone christianity, you should be able to point out the pacifistic group of people who follow its inherent truth.

    thanks.

  90. on 28 Apr 2013 at 3:54 pm 90.Anonymous said …

    86.alex, the crusades were wars.

    Killing in war is not a sin, it is self defense.

    The muslms started the crusades when they started to attack innocent Christians and Jews.

  91. on 28 Apr 2013 at 3:56 pm 91.the messenger said …

    86.alex, the morals are in the bible.

  92. on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:01 pm 92.the messenger said …

    89.michael, in every group of people there are always people who do not follow the rules.

    Therefore it is impossible to name at least one group who follows the rules all the time. Atheists have a long reputation of having no moral rules, so therefore atheism is evil.

  93. on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:08 pm 93.the messenger said …

    87.MrQ , hitler was not a true catholic. He was a evil, demonic man.

    He was confirmed as a catholic, but he did not live a catholic life.
    A true catholic would never murder anyone.

  94. on 28 Apr 2013 at 4:15 pm 94.alex said …

    didn’t get the memo? says, fuck off, messenger.

  95. on 28 Apr 2013 at 6:19 pm 95.Martin said …

    Michael,

    why have you added pacifist as a requirement?

  96. on 28 Apr 2013 at 7:55 pm 96.michael said …

    Martin,

    I didnt. You did.

    you said: “If Stalin had been a follower of Christ he would had moral absolutes that would have kept him from murdering Christians, Jews and other countrymen.”

    so please show me the religous society that is peaceful.

  97. on 29 Apr 2013 at 1:16 am 97.Martin said …

    So someone who doesn’t murder humans is a pacifist?

    Interesting, completely inaccurate but very revealing.

  98. on 29 Apr 2013 at 1:44 am 98.MrQ said …

    Martin,
    It is strictly by the will of god that we die.
    Many theists on this website have said so.
    Do you agree that your god gives and TAKES life at their discretion? Maybe you can try and change the “absolute” rules and godly regulations…..again!

  99. on 29 Apr 2013 at 2:19 am 99.alex said …

    “Interesting, completely inaccurate but very revealing.”

    since you and messenger are cut from the same cloth, fair to say you’re both morons? revealing.

  100. on 29 Apr 2013 at 5:20 am 100.michael said …

    martin.

    youre dodging me. you wont answer my question.

    thats dishonest.

    and very shitty of you.

    i suppose it expected more out of you.

    not sure why…

  101. on 29 Apr 2013 at 4:01 pm 101.Anonymous said …

    Michael, you were making very good points against what JAS was saying, hence Martin came in with what Fluttershy aptly called “the dictator diversion”.

    Now Martin is being asked to answer questions, he reverts to dodging, trying for a new diversion, and soon disappearing as he always does when questioned on his assertions.

  102. on 29 Apr 2013 at 6:42 pm 102.Michael said …

    Here is how it all breaks down.

    Religious people kill for the purposes of religion.

    No one kills for theism or atheism in general, but for specific reasons.

    witchcraft.

    gathering sticks on a sunday.

    someone poked your eye out.

    All reasons to kill apparently.

    People supporting religion turn and say that atheists commit crime as well, and that they are lacking the morality that lets them kill

    The reason why this is patently stupid is that this person is levying non religious people versus religious people.

    There have always been far more religious people than non religious people, which means if you want to say that stalin was an atheist and killed because of it, then I can sit here and claim that world war I was all the fault of the religious, and because their religions distorted their views of life and they killed because of it.

    Its stupid to make either point, theistic or atheistic doesn’t really matter.

    But people like MARTIN for some reason fail to understand this.

    Once again, people desperate to reconcile reality with what they want it to be achieves nothing.

    The world keeps spinning, everyone gets a little older and the sun ticks one minute closer to death as you sit here and read this.

  103. on 29 Apr 2013 at 6:59 pm 103.alex said …

    “ticks one minute closer to death as you sit here and read this.”

    same crap regardless, ain’t it? think you’re deep?

  104. on 29 Apr 2013 at 8:20 pm 104.Martin said …

    Dodging? Dodging what?

    I showed you how atheist dictators murder due to their lack of belief they will answer to a higher power and you ask for a list of pacifist groups?

    Why didn’t just ask for a recipe for meatloaf?

    Let me make this easier. Name me a Christian dictator who murdered anywhere on the level of the top 5 atheist dictators. No, Hitler was not Christian so don’t even try. He rejected RC early just like most of your ilk.

  105. on 29 Apr 2013 at 9:41 pm 105.alex said …

    martin, let me make it easy for you. everything you say is right. now, get the fuck outta here.

  106. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:36 am 106.michael said …

    No Alex.

    but your mom is Ba-Zing!

  107. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:51 am 107.michael said …

    Martin I asked you to name a peaceful group run by Christians. You cannot. So you ask me instead to name a group for Christians that are violent, but hey, dont name hitler. because the holcaust totally wasnt religously driven. they picked on jews because they smelled funny.

    well ok, so you compare people that are atheist that do bad things and kill people. lets look at christians that kill people.

    Christian countries check in during WWI, WW2, 30 years war, the deluge, the french religous wars, the crusades, the mexican revolution, the civil war and vietnam. all christians killing each other or other religions despite hearing the call of jesus to peace.

  108. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:55 am 108.alex said …

    “but your mom is Ba-Zing!”. no, she’s korean. there ya go, your god proof.

  109. on 30 Apr 2013 at 1:06 am 109.michael said …

    now, with the point out of the way, lets get down to brass tacks.

    You wanted a single christian that has made it into the top five in most kills?

    Your man is: Leopold II of Belgium

    Roman Catholic through and through, he abused and terroized the congo free state in the late 1800s for over 20 years and had amassed a projected 10 million deaths due to it.

    Yep, your dead wrong bucko.

    I managed to find and type this up while I was taking a shit.

    I bet you can taste it right now.

  110. on 30 Apr 2013 at 1:52 am 110.A said …

    Michael

    I truly do enjoy watching you and alex go at it. Please keep up the entertainment!

    LOL!!

    Leopold does not make it in the top five. Not even close. Second, what makes someone a Christian? Do they just need to claim it for it to be true?

    Looking forward to you scholarly and well thought out analysis. Don’t pinch and run, take your tome on the toilet.

    LOL!!!! Wow, its like my two year old when he use to yell he was pooping!

  111. on 30 Apr 2013 at 1:55 am 111.MrQ said …

    Martin, with a fantasy

    Hitler was not Christian

    However, in reality, From Mein Kampf: “I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”

    Maybe it’s just that Hitler ain’t your flavour, but he sound kinda religious to me. It’s still xtianity – just remember, your mileage may vary.

  112. on 30 Apr 2013 at 3:12 am 112.Fluttershy said …

    Name me a Christian dictator.

    Hitler.

    Dont deny this, he was a christian, enough said.

  113. on 30 Apr 2013 at 3:13 am 113.Fluttershy said …

    Now please name us a country that is run by christians and is peaceful.

  114. on 30 Apr 2013 at 4:06 am 114.michael said …

    not top 5? 10 million people dead?

    stalin

    mao

    pol pot

    mussolini

    hitler

    i guess if you dont count hitler…

    6th? shit. sorry.

    you gotta go down six to find a christian mass murderer.

    my bad.

  115. on 30 Apr 2013 at 7:17 am 115.Anonymous said …

    [blockquote]If Stalin had been a follower of Christ he would had moral absolutes that would have kept him from murdering Christians, Jews and other countryman.[/blockquote]

    Top anything? Sounds like Martin is trying to stack the deck in his favor because he doesn’t believe what he writes. According to his comment, there shouldn’t be any Christian murderers at all. Ever. Those moral absolutes don’t seem to be working too well for you sunshine.

  116. on 30 Apr 2013 at 11:23 am 116.MrQ said …

    “a”stroboy pipes in with:

    Leopold does not make it in the top five. Not even close. Second, what makes someone a Christian? Do they just need to claim it for it to be true?

    So now you compare numbers? Sounds like a concession – a crack in Martin’s “well fortified position” (LOL!) has started to form.

    What makes someone a xtian? Why don’t you tell me? How about the support Hitler had from the German church? Seems that they thought he was a good catholic boy. Maybe, since “religious morality” and belief is so ambiguous and relative, individual believers (such as yourself) decide who passes for xtian and who does not.

    Always good for a laugh, “a”stroboy.

  117. on 30 Apr 2013 at 11:58 am 117.The messenger said …

    109.michael, he was not a true catholic because he commited murder.

    A true Catholic would never murder anyone.

  118. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:07 pm 118.The messenger said …

    112.Fluttershy, hitler was not a catholic.

    A catholic would never persecute, or murder anyone.

    Hitler believed that GOD existed, but he did not follow the bible or it’s laws, and is therefore not a catholic.

  119. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:09 pm 119.The messenger said …

    113.Fluttershy, Italy.

  120. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:12 pm 120.The messenger said …

    107.michael, the Hollocast was not driven by the catholic faith, it was driven by persecution, and hate.

    Hitler believed that GOD existed, but he did not follow the bible or it’s laws, and therefore is not a catholic.

  121. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:15 pm 121.The messenger said …

    Joseph Stalin
    “Stalin” redirects here. For other uses, see Stalin (disambiguation).
    Joseph Stalin
    ????? ????????????? ?????? (Russian)
    ????? ?????????? ?? ??????? (Georgian)

    Stalin at the Tehran Conference in 1943.
    General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
    In office
    3 April 1922 – 16 October 1952
    Preceded by Vyacheslav Molotov
    (as Responsible Secretary)
    Succeeded by Nikita Khrushchev
    (office reestablished)
    Chairman of the Council of Ministers
    In office
    6 May 1941 – 5 March 1953
    First Deputies Nikolai Voznesensky
    Vyacheslav Molotov
    Preceded by Vyacheslav Molotov
    Succeeded by Georgy Malenkov
    People’s Commissar for Defense of the Soviet Union
    In office
    19 July 1941 – 25 February 1946
    Premier Himself
    Preceded by Semyon Timoshenko
    Succeeded by Nikolai Bulganin
    after vacancy
    Member of the Secretariat
    In office
    3 April 1922 – 5 March 1953
    Full member of the Presidium
    In office
    25 March 1919 – 5 March 1953
    Member of the Orgburo
    In office
    16 January 1919 – 5 March 1953
    Personal details
    Born 18 December 1878
    Gori, Tiflis Governorate, Russian Empire
    Died 5 March 1953 (aged 74)
    Kuntsevo Dacha near Moscow, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union
    Resting place Lenin’s Mausoleum, Moscow, Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (9 March 1953 – 31 October 1961)
    Kremlin Wall Necropolis, Moscow, Russian Federation (from 31 October 1961)
    Nationality Georgian
    Political party Communist Party of the Soviet Union
    Spouse(s) Ekaterina Svanidze (1906–1907)
    Nadezhda Alliluyeva (1919–1932)
    Children Yakov Dzhugashvili, Vasily Dzhugashvili, Svetlana Alliluyeva
    Religion None (atheist), formerly Georgian Orthodox
    Signature
    Military service
    Allegiance Soviet Union
    Service/branch Soviet Armed Forces
    Years of service 1943–1953
    Rank Marshal of the Soviet Union (1943–1945)
    Generalissimus of the Soviet Union (1945–1953)
    Commands All (supreme commander)
    Battles/wars World War II
    Awards

    Joseph Stalin or Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin (Russian: ????? ????????????? ??????; born Ioseb Besarionis je J?u?ašvili, pronounced [i?s?b b?sari?nis dze d?u?a?vili] Georgian: ????? ?????????? ?? ?????????; 18 December 1878[1] – 5 March 1953) was the de facto leader of the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953. Among the Bolshevik revolutionaries who took part in the Russian Revolution of 1917, Stalin was appointed General Secretary of the party’s Central Committee in 1922. He subsequently managed to consolidate power following the 1924 death of Vladimir Lenin through expanding the functions of his role, all the while eliminating any opposition. He held this nominal post until abolishing it in 1952, concurrently serving as the Premier of the Soviet Union after establishing the position in 1941.

    Under Joseph Stalin’s rule, the concept of “socialism in one country” became a central tenet of Soviet society. He replaced the New Economic Policy introduced by Lenin in the early 1920s with a highly centralised command economy, launching a period of industrialization and collectivization that resulted in the rapid transformation of the USSR from an agrarian society into an industrial power.[2] However, the economic changes coincided with the imprisonment of millions of people in Soviet correctional labour camps[3] and the deportation of many others to remote areas.[3] The initial upheaval in agriculture disrupted food production and contributed to the catastrophic Soviet famine of 1932–1933, known as the Holodomor in Ukraine. Later, in a period that lasted from 1936–39, Stalin instituted a campaign against alleged enemies of his regime called the Great Purge, in which hundreds of thousands were executed. Major figures in the Communist Party, such as the old Bolsheviks, Leon Trotsky, and several Red Army leaders were killed after being convicted of plotting to overthrow the government and Stalin.[4]

    In August 1939, Stalin entered into a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany that divided their influence within Eastern Europe, but Germany later violated the agreement and launched a massive invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941. Despite heavy human and territorial losses, Soviet forces managed to halt the Nazi incursion after the decisive battles of Moscow and Stalingrad. After defeating the Axis powers on the Eastern Front, the Red Army captured Berlin in May 1945, effectively ending the war in Europe for the Allies.[5][6] The Soviet Union subsequently emerged as one of two recognized world superpowers, the other being the United States.[7] The Yalta and Potsdam conferences established communist governments loyal to the Soviet Union in the Eastern Bloc countries as buffer states, which Stalin deemed necessary in case of another invasion. He also fostered close relations with Mao Zedong in China and Kim Il-sung in North Korea.

    Stalin led the Soviet Union through its post-war reconstruction phase, which saw a significant rise in tension with the Western world that would later be known as the Cold War. During this period, the USSR became the second country in the world to successfully develop a nuclear weapon, as well as launching the Great Plan for the Transformation of Nature in response to another widespread famine and the Great Construction Projects of Communism. In the years following his death, Stalin and his regime have been condemned on numerous occasions, most notably in 1956 when his successor Nikita Khrushchev denounced his legacy and initiated a process of de-Stalinization. He remains a controversial figure today, with many regarding him as a tyrant;[8] however, popular opinion within the Russian Federation is mixed.[9][10][11]

    As you can see, Stalin was an atheist. He did not believe in GOD.

  122. on 30 Apr 2013 at 12:27 pm 122.The messenger said …

    87.MrQ , hitler was not a true catholic. He was a evil, demonic man.
    He was confirmed as a catholic, but he did not live a catholic life.
    A true catholic would never murder anyone.
    P

  123. on 30 Apr 2013 at 1:40 pm 123.Martin said …

    Leopold?

    Please Michael, anyone who knows history does not believe Leopold to be Christian. You seem to be unfamiliar with politicians. Leo used propaganda to keep other Euro leaders out of his colonization of the Congo. He used the guise of Commerce and Christianity to maintain his personal colonization of the region. Hitler like the atheist here rejected his early upbringing in the RC. Hitler and Leo were more likely atheist. They did not follow the moral code of Christ.

    Not even a goof try since from your toilet you obviously attempted scholarly study from Google.

  124. on 30 Apr 2013 at 1:44 pm 124.Martin said …

    Michael

    The deaths due to Leopold are unknown. The number ranges from 3 million to 15 million. Many of the deaths were due to disease not directly to hid atrocities.

  125. on 30 Apr 2013 at 2:55 pm 125.DPK said …

    Martin trolls out the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

    Regardless, even if you were absolutely right and every atheist is a mass murdering, amoral, child raping thief, how does that prove the existence of your magical, imaginary god? It doesn’t. So stop feeding the trolls.

    Martin has demonstrated many times he is not interested in honest debate and is intellectually dishonest. Why do you bother? It’s like teaching algebra to a dog. His deluded brain is incapable of allowing himself to see the simple and plain reality of his delusion. So, he lies to himself and to others in order to maintain his fantasy of an eternal life in some magical kingdom.

  126. on 30 Apr 2013 at 2:55 pm 126.michael said …

    mother fucker he was roman catholic!

    your a goddamn liar in the most literal sense.

    he was born roman catholic, had both of his marriages performed in the church.

    you aren’t allowed to just ignore history and say that he exploited religon for his own purposes!

    all of religion is exploitation YOU FUCKING CUNT!

    i dont do well with assholes.

    and you are a gigantic one.

    and not worth my time.

    fuck you.

  127. on 30 Apr 2013 at 3:38 pm 127.A said …

    Martin,

    Dee how atheist resort to personal attacks and profanity? Lol;!!!

    How is someone “born” Roma Catholic? I wonder how many of these trolls were born in church?

    And hey, he was married in a church, that would make him a Christian.

    Careful Martin, bony let any of this ignorance get on you.

  128. on 30 Apr 2013 at 3:39 pm 128.Anonymous said …

    Michael, this is what Martin does and, ironically, it shows that falsity of claiming some kind of superior ethical standard on the basis of Christianity.

    That Martin went flat out to disrupt your conversation shows how deeply you rattled his cage. He’s not worth it, but you have a lot to contribute here.

  129. on 30 Apr 2013 at 4:30 pm 129.Martin said …

    Michael,

    A is right, your true colors are showing. You are just a little man attempting to look big You believe being born and married in a church makes a Christian and thus show your ignorance. I hope you didn’t eat at McDonalds today Ronald.

    Thank you for indeed your time I truly do not need. Build your strawmen elsewhere.

  130. on 30 Apr 2013 at 6:27 pm 130.DPK said …

    Notice that other than his “which mass murderer believed in which imaginary god” strawman, notice that Martin does not in fact, offer any actual evidence that his god actually exists. And, ironically, while debating the religious affiliations of various mass murderers and tyrants, neglects to mention the greatest mass murderer of all time, at least according to biblical legend… Yahweh… warrior god of the Jews, and alter ego of gentle Jesus. They really like to ignore the old testament, except when it suits them. At the least, we can agree Leopold never attempted to drown every living thing on the entire planet! haha.

  131. on 01 May 2013 at 1:45 am 131.A said …

    Martin

    I think alex & Mike might be the same poster. Their vocabulary is on target, neither offers anything of merit and they both just make up things which just are not true.

    I do realize being atheists that lying and cheating are OK but at least attempt to be honest on an occasion just to mix things up.

  132. on 01 May 2013 at 2:03 am 132.alex said …

    “I think alex & Mike might be the same poster.”

    you a dumbfuck. typical xtian shit. all atheists are liberals, gays, etc. you caynt prove yor god, so you resort to lookey here, lookey there. atheists are murderers, chain smokers, blah, fucking blah.

    what, because michael doesn’t occasionally capitalize, it’s automatically me? take a closer look, asshole. and that goes same for your bible. stone adulterers, kill motherfuckers that work on the sabbath, and on. and on….

    remember, my only position is that i don’t believe in your bullshit god……

  133. on 01 May 2013 at 4:22 am 133.Fluttershy said …

    To be honest, alex’s vocabulary is worse than mikes, so its obvious who is who.

    Anyway, if we are trying to find out who is the biggest murderer in history, it is god, he has killed every animal and human, barring two of each.

    In all reality, that would have caused a global environmental disorder causing the death of every animal on earth due to the death of every plant…

  134. on 01 May 2013 at 4:03 pm 134.Xenon said …

    It has been said here before. God cannot kill because he gives and takes all life. It belongs to him.

  135. on 01 May 2013 at 4:10 pm 135.Fluttershy said …

    God sure as hell doesnt own me, no one does.
    Are you saying i am a slave and must obey him?
    Are you saying every one else is as well?

    Because you see, sane people like to be free, we do not take lightly to being owned by another being.

    And saying that god gives and takes all life is saying god makes and kills all life..
    So you pretty much set yourself up…

  136. on 01 May 2013 at 4:14 pm 136.Anonymous said …

    What he also conceded is that there are no such things as moral absolutes in Christianity.

  137. on 01 May 2013 at 5:50 pm 137.Xenon said …

    Nope not at all. You are not a slave, you have free will. But you have no say to when he takes life back from you.

    Now how is that a set up?

  138. on 01 May 2013 at 6:36 pm 138.DPK said …

    134.Xenon said …

    “God cannot kill because he gives and takes all life.”

    More Xenonense and xtian doublespeak. To take life is the definition of “kill”. How can got “not kill” and “take all life” at the same time?

    “kill”
    Verb
    Cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing).

    And, since you now make the claim that “he gives and takes all life” I guess that if I kill someone, it is because I am acting on behalf of god?

    Do you even realize how completely crazy you are?

  139. on 01 May 2013 at 9:47 pm 139.Xenon said …

    Killing is only possible for man because the life does not belong to him. Life is a gift from God He only gives us a short time.

    It is a very simple concept even children understand.

  140. on 01 May 2013 at 10:49 pm 140.alex said …

    “It is a very simple concept even children understand.”

    wrong again as usual, you moron. kids don’t know about god until you poison their mind.

    don’t even try to debate this point, you fuckhead.

  141. on 02 May 2013 at 12:01 am 141.MrQ said …

    X, the inert gas bag

    Killing is only possible for man because the life does not belong to him.

    But, X, life is only taken by your god. Your god knew IN ADVANCE that the life would end, whether through the commands of Hitler or by natural causes. Your god is responsible for giving and taking all life. If your god has OMNI-MAX capabilities, then where is the free will? How do we make an entirely independent choice when ALL our actions are pre-destined and known (to a god)?

    Does your concept of god endow it with OMNI-MAX powers? <-answer if you dare.

  142. on 02 May 2013 at 2:39 am 142.The messenger said …

    Michael, hitler was not a Roman Catholic.

    A catholic would never break the “thou shall not murder” commandment.
    Since hitler lived a hateful life, and murdered thousands, he is not a catholic.
    He only pretended to be a catholic so that he would be excepted in society.

  143. on 02 May 2013 at 3:53 am 143.Fluttershy said …

    Killing is only possible for man because the life does not belong to him. Life is a gift from God He only gives us a short time.

    I for one belong to no one.
    No one can control my death.
    And debating can god kill or not doesnt prove shit.

  144. on 02 May 2013 at 5:26 am 144.The messenger said …

    Michael, hitler was not a Roman Catholic.

    A catholic would never break the “thou shall not murder” commandment.
    Since hitler lived a hateful life, and murdered thousands, he is not a catholic.
    He only pretended to be a catholic so that he would be excepted in society.

  145. on 02 May 2013 at 5:30 am 145.The messenger said …

    To truly be a Catholic, you have to live by Jesus’s laws.

    Hitler did not live by those laws. He did not love his enemies. He committed murder. He lived a hate filled life. He is not a Catholic.

  146. on 02 May 2013 at 5:32 am 146.The messenger said …

    Mr. Hitler only claimed to be a catholic so that he would be excepted in society.

  147. on 02 May 2013 at 5:32 am 147.The messenger said …

    Michael, leave.

  148. on 02 May 2013 at 11:56 am 148.alex said …

    there ya go, michael. your guest, the idiot, bible side quoting, messenger is here. start your debate

  149. on 02 May 2013 at 11:56 am 149.michael said …

    messenger,

    i actually agree. Hitler wasnt catholic in a traditional sense.

    i said he was catholic in order to manipulate the church into supporting him.

    which was very easily done. they prayer for him on his birthday every year until his suicide.

    not sure why the church would support an absolute genocidal manic, but hey, thats not my problem.

    I have read that Hitler thought that christianty was a sign of weakness, but very much did believe in god and spirituality.

    in fact, he and his close friends believed that the aryan race were actually aryans and had come from outspace. This is the reason why they never got nukes…thank god.

    They were too busy chasing cult fantasies and myth to actually build a/gamechanger by the atomic bomb.

    The consistent stupidity on behalf of religious nutcases and spiritual stoics alike keep them from ever possessing enough power to really do any damage.

    i mean, until recently.

    But i will state again the leopold the 2nd of Belgium, a roman catholic, was the tyrant that lead to the free congo relgion losing a majority of its population to disease and stavation.

    There really is no dodging this one. This catholic happily let people die for his pursuit of personal wealth because…he didnt see them as people. they were black. they werent gods people. what did he care?

    you simply cannot get around this FACT.

    and please dont try to say he wasnt a true christian.

    I hate when people go outside of the realm of a conversation to try to make a point. You aren’t allowed to destroy the context of a conversation because you are wrong.

  150. on 02 May 2013 at 11:59 am 150.michael said …

    sorry. typing on my phones.

    means to say hilter and co thought they were ALIENS not aryans. they already knew they were aryans.

    didnt mean to be redundent…damn phone

  151. on 02 May 2013 at 12:00 pm 151.michael said …

    my phone sucks.

    the free congo region…not religion apologies

  152. on 02 May 2013 at 2:10 pm 152.Fluttershy said …

    Michael, hitler was not a Roman Catholic.

    Did he do it only to gain support? Yes
    Was he a catholic? Yes

    Please stop denying that he was not a catholic.

    Michael, leave.

    No, michael will not leave, stop asking people to leave.

    To truly be a Catholic, you have to live by Jesus’s laws.

    Honestly, i would rather not beat up slaves and stone people.
    Nor do i lack the brain and willpower to believe in fantasies and magic.

  153. on 02 May 2013 at 3:16 pm 153.DPK said …

    messenger… you are not a catholic either.
    You do not believe in transubstantiation or the eternity of hell. Both are doctrines of the catholic faith that you deny. You also have no right to judge whether or not anyone is a “true catholic” or not.
    Your arrogance is surpassed only by your stupidity.

  154. on 02 May 2013 at 5:33 pm 154.DPK said …

    145.The messenger said …

    “To truly be a Catholic, you have to live by Jesus’s laws.”
    Jesus said:
    “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple … So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.” (Luke 14:26-27, 33)

    Messenger, do you hate your father and mother, and have you forsaken all that you have? Why not?

  155. on 02 May 2013 at 6:22 pm 155.Fluttershy said …

    Wow…
    Holy shit, that crap is in the bible?
    Heck im surprised that there isnt more religion related murders…

  156. on 02 May 2013 at 6:39 pm 156.michael said …

    everyone has to have a favorite bible passage.

    i love in timothy when it is explained that young virgins often cannot control their own hornyness so they can remarry despite it making them hell bound.

    I also really enjoy the sexy part of ezekiel where a hooker explains that she favors lovers that are hung like donkeys and come like horses.

    thats fuckin HOT!

    whoever said the bible is boring isnt reading this incest filled, violent books of rapery and genital mutliation. Its good ol’ fashioned fun!

  157. on 02 May 2013 at 7:30 pm 157.DPK said …

    michael, the bible is only talking about a metaphorical donkey cock and horse cum. If you went to church you would understand that what god really meant was we should not fuck donkeys and horses because it is against god’s law to do so.
    Why can you not understand this?

    Fluttershy, please leave now.

  158. on 02 May 2013 at 7:47 pm 158.Anonymous said …

    156.michael, the hooker was a fool in that passage, and they were trying to express just how bad hookers are.

    Lust is a sin.

  159. on 02 May 2013 at 7:49 pm 159.the messenger said …

    153.DPK, hell is only eternal if you keep doing bad things. But you become good, you can leave hell.

  160. on 02 May 2013 at 7:57 pm 160.michael said …

    The idea to love god appears 88 times in the bible.

    The idea to trust god appears 91.

    The idea to fear god appears 278.

    i know more than you do.

    the bible is dumb

  161. on 02 May 2013 at 7:57 pm 161.michael said …

    27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    FUCK

    if you go to hooters you go to hell!

  162. on 02 May 2013 at 8:00 pm 162.michael said …

    18 And after all this the Lord smote him in his bowels with an incurable disease.

    19 And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two years, his bowels fell out by reason of his sickness: so he died of sore diseases. And his people made no burning for him, like the burning of his fathers

    if you piss off god he will make your asshole fall out.

  163. on 02 May 2013 at 8:05 pm 163.the messenger said …

    154.DPK, Jesus wanted hateful people to come to him so that he could teach them kindness and love.

    That passage means that if you are hateful, you must come to Christ, and he will teach you kindness and love.

    Jesus does not want us to hate anyone. He wants us to come to him so that our hate can be destroyed.

  164. on 02 May 2013 at 8:07 pm 164.the messenger said …

    161.michael, you will only go to hell if you fail to redeem your self.

  165. on 02 May 2013 at 8:09 pm 165.the messenger said …

    162.michael, that passage means that if you have evil within you, that evil will lead to your doom.

  166. on 02 May 2013 at 8:13 pm 166.the messenger said …

    153.DPK, you are an atheist, you have no right to judge.

  167. on 02 May 2013 at 8:30 pm 167.the messenger said …

    Jesus does not support stoning.

    Stoning mentioned in the old testament was just a phrase that meant punishment. It did not mean a literal stoning, and GOD proved that when he stopped the people of Israel from stoning a woman.

  168. on 02 May 2013 at 9:01 pm 168.the messenger said …

    149.michael, the Catholic church did not support the German forces. The only reason that they payed for him was so that the hate within him might stop.

    Pope Pius XII did a lot of work trying to hid jews from hitler.

  169. on 02 May 2013 at 11:41 pm 169.DPK said …

    “if you piss off god he will make your asshole fall out.”

    But sadly, to believe in god you must be so open minded that your brains fall out… so either way, you;re fucked.
    D

  170. on 02 May 2013 at 11:57 pm 170.the messenger said …

    I am waiting for a response.

  171. on 03 May 2013 at 12:26 am 171.the messenger said …

    162.michael, that verse means that if you have evil inside you, it will kill your soul.

  172. on 03 May 2013 at 12:27 am 172.the messenger said …

    161.michael, lust is a sin.

  173. on 03 May 2013 at 12:46 am 173.the messenger said …

    154.DPK, that passage means that if you are going to follow christ, you must have something that you need to improve on.

    GOD wants us to come to him, so that he will destroy our hate. That is what that passage means.

  174. on 03 May 2013 at 12:55 am 174.alex said …

    messenger, when you can’t even follow your own pope, you gots no cred. now, go fuck yourself

  175. on 03 May 2013 at 3:49 am 175.Fluttershy said …

    154.DPK, that passage means that if you are going to follow christ, you must have something that you need to improve on.
    GOD wants us to come to him, so that he will destroy our hate. That is what that passage means.

    Please come back when you learn how to read basic sentences and get a real vocabulary…

  176. on 03 May 2013 at 3:53 am 176.Fluttershy said …

    161.michael, lust is a sin.

    Lust, is certainly not a sin, lust is natural, and usually brings two people together into a relationship.
    Although, im talking to a person who discriminates to the homosexuals…so its what its worth.

  177. on 03 May 2013 at 8:27 am 177.michael said …

    Ever walk by a very pretty girl (or guy…I’m not forgetting you homos) and you got a slight tingle in the groin?

    Well, that is completely natural. It’s been proven that you cannot stop outside stimuli from bombaring the visual cortex, the fatty dangling chunk in the back of your skull that contains pathways to your visual memory near the midbrain and creative chunk in the frontal lobe.

    You literally has no say over what your brain does; what memories it draws or ideas it creates. The only sure fire way of avoiding a “negative thought” is by insulating yourself from them actively (see: burqua)

    So here is what is obvious, if Jesus Christ was indeed god, who did indeed create everything, then he would know that the built his creation physiologically to be unable to control every thought that pops into one’s head.

    Instead, he chalked up “bad thoughts ” as sins, as in active decisions to do bad.

    Lust is a sin and if you lust in you heart, you commit that sin all the same.

    Only a truly retarded person can believe this. And I mean retard in the traditional sense. No person with any minute level of cognizance for the world around them and their own minds wouldn’t recognize this as a show stopper.

    Now, you will surely hear something truly fucking stupid from the opposition regarding this post.

    But please take with you the following idea.

    These religious fucks are out to ruin america. They want to dumb us down and make us weak. They want to limit science and knowledge, the only real potential source of salvation, in order to prop up their own delusions. They are the enemy and should be treated as such. And every time you bash them please remind these oblivious lemmings of the following passage from their favorite book.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you

    Dont fight it…just take it like the bitch that you are.

    Like the bitches that came before you.

    “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” – Thomas Jefferson

  178. on 03 May 2013 at 11:30 am 178.Fluttershy said …

    Well typed michael, well typed.

  179. on 03 May 2013 at 3:03 pm 179.Anonymous said …

    Killing is only possible for man because the life does not belong to him. Life is a gift from God He only gives us a short time.

    It is a very simple concept even children understand.

    First, a gift is something given voluntarily without expectation or compensation. So, if you feel some obligation to your god for this “gift”, then you are being manipulated. That would add to the various comments on the description of BibleGod as a psychopath or a sociopath.

    Second, taking back a gift in the manner you described is theft. Do you know what we call the theft of life, Xenon? We call that murder. So, by your own words your god is a murdering psychopath. The fact that you ascribe wonderful things to him, is another example of how the abused rationalize their abuser’s control and actions.

    Finally, you seem to be employing the standard of “simple concept[s] even children understand”. If that’s your standard for proof, then you must stop asking people to explain other concepts in anything other than that level of detail – otherwise, you are just employing double standards. Of course, that you are looking for explanations of the level that a child might understand, might be a large part of why you are unable or unwilling to look beyond the simplistic descriptions given in the bible.

    Which is to be, Xenon? Explanations suitable for a child, or explanations consistent with reality?

  180. on 03 May 2013 at 3:54 pm 180.Fluttershy said …

    Im expecting a sockpuppet diversion with something to do with communists or something..

    But when the lights turn on, the roaches flee…

  181. on 03 May 2013 at 4:23 pm 181.A said …

    You know, I went by the carwash today. They gave me a supply of soap and water but then after 5 minutes those pschopaths stole my water and soap?

    Lol!!!!!! Anony Mouse you are just too easy to smite!

  182. on 03 May 2013 at 5:53 pm 182.Anonymous said …

    Based on that lame attempt at a strawman argument, I accept your concession that the argument about life being a gift from god is fatally flawed.

  183. on 03 May 2013 at 7:06 pm 183.DPK said …

    Be understanding of “A”… he is a home school Astrophysicist who believes in talking snakes and walking on water. Critical thinking is simply not his “thing”.

    He, and his various sock personalities are always good for a chuckle though. God may have given him life, but he obviously didn’t bless him with a keen sense of perception.

  184. on 03 May 2013 at 7:24 pm 184.A said …

    Sure Mighty Mouse. When you produce the flaw I will definitely concede.

    LOL!!

  185. on 03 May 2013 at 7:29 pm 185.DPK said …

    184.A said …

    “Sure Mighty Mouse. When you produce the flaw I will definitely concede.”

    Your Honor… the prosecution rests.

  186. on 03 May 2013 at 7:35 pm 186.A said …

    Thank you, but we already knew you had nothing.

    Mouse you are up. Popcorn is a popping.

  187. on 03 May 2013 at 8:52 pm 187.michael said …

    What the fuck is going on?

  188. on 03 May 2013 at 9:27 pm 188.the messenger said …

    177.michael, if you think about a female in a lustful way, then it is a sin.

    I look at girls and do not think of them in a lustful way.

  189. on 03 May 2013 at 9:31 pm 189.the messenger said …

    179.Anonymous, so what you are saying is that GOD is bad for giving us life?

    Are you stupid?
    yes

  190. on 03 May 2013 at 9:35 pm 190.the messenger said …

    177.michael, you are infecting the earth with your lust obsession.

  191. on 03 May 2013 at 9:38 pm 191.the messenger said …

    176.Fluttershy, a relationship should be based on personality similarities, and commitment.

    Not Sexual interests.

  192. on 03 May 2013 at 9:44 pm 192.Anonymous said …

    “What the fuck is going on?”

    Xenon made a ridiculous argument, got owned, and now the hordes descend to divert attention from his embarrassment. That’s what is going on.

  193. on 03 May 2013 at 9:58 pm 193.the messenger said …

    175.Fluttershy, here is the bible passage that you were talking about.

    If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple … So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.” (Luke 14:26-27, 33)

    That bible passage states that Jesus wants hateful people to come to him. Obviously to get rid of their hate.

    In the bible, Jesus was constantly helping people overcome evil, and hate, therefore the reason that Jesus wanted hateful people to come to him was so that he could destroy their hate.

  194. on 03 May 2013 at 11:02 pm 194.A said …

    What is going on is we are still waiting for Anony Mouse to show us this “flaw” in life is a gift from God. (His words)

    Oh maybe this is just another loaded question? For Anony Mouse that is all questions.

    Popcorn is still on Mouse.

  195. on 03 May 2013 at 11:03 pm 195.michael said …

    Messenger, its cool if you are gay. But most guys arent and most hetrosexual men do find women attractive and “lust” after them.

    if you dont have a craving for women, you are either gay or there is simething horribly wrong with you mentally.

    this “teaching” is immoral and only someone stupid would preach it in a civilized society.

    and cannot “infect the earth” because craving women is what, you know, keeps the human race going.

  196. on 03 May 2013 at 11:16 pm 196.michael said …

    No martin, that’s not what it means.

    what Jesus said is exactly what he meant. If you love this life, if you love your family…you cannot follow him.

    real followers despise this life and the distractions that serve to distract them from gods glory.

    it goes back to jesus teaching that the end is near.

    This life was temporary and the world to end soon in jesus’ opinion.

    Family, friends, posessions…not of it mattered because they were all doomed anyway.

    drop everything, HATE all of the things that distract you from the lord, and take up your cross with him.

    only then can you be a disciple.

    jesus did not want to “destroy hate.” You just made that up. Jesus says repeatedly to abandon your family, that he came not to bring peace but a sword.

    The fact that you do NOT understand this passage and seem to not understand the texts at all is disturbing. It means that you are either very young and was fed some misleading ideas or you are ignorant.

    either way, your religion is a cult of hate and it looks forward to the end of the world.

    before you start criticizing other people “messenger” you may want to sit down and figure out just what the fuck you believe, huh?

  197. on 04 May 2013 at 12:02 am 197.the messenger said …

    195.michael, love, kindness and compassion are what keeps the world going, not sexual interests.

    And I am not gay. I just have will power.

  198. on 04 May 2013 at 12:07 am 198.the messenger said …

    196.michael, Jesus did believe that the end of life on earth was near, and life in heaven was soon to come, but he never specified how near it was.

    Jesus wa

  199. on 04 May 2013 at 12:28 am 199.the messenger said …

    196.michael, Jesus never encouraged hate or violence. That passage is referring to Jesus destroying hate.

    The verse about the the peace and sword was referring to the fact that Jesus will never except peace with evil, and that he has come to battle against hate by teaching kindness.

  200. on 04 May 2013 at 12:36 am 200.the messenger said …

    196.michael, Jesus did not mean to literally mean leave your family, he meant that you must devote more of your time to the lord and his teachings, rather that your family.

    Jesus never said hate all distractions. He stated that we must love GOD so much that all other relationship would seem like hate in comparison. Jesus wants us to love people, but love him more.

  201. on 04 May 2013 at 12:48 am 201.Miles said …

    “Jesus says repeatedly to abandon your family”

    Where? Provide book, chapter and verse.

  202. on 04 May 2013 at 1:43 am 202.DPK said …

    Could this actually get any more comical? I really don’t know which is funnier… messenger telling us what god “actually meant to say” because the all powerful creator of the universe obviously has a bad communication problem and needs an half wit like messenger to tell us he didn’t really mean what the bible states he said, but something else entirely… or… our resident Astrophysicist who thinks that god killing people by the millions is equivalent to… wait for it… the car wash turning off the soap and water after your car gets washed.

    Uh, yeah, Assman… it’s just like that. hahahaha How’s that popcorn taste, by the way? A lot like an old shoe covered in dog shit I’d imagine.
    Time for Martin or Biff or Horatio to show up and try to bring up abiogenesis again, isn’t it? Yup, it’s about that time.

  203. on 04 May 2013 at 3:56 am 203.Fluttershy said …

    messenger said…

    I just have will power.

    hahaha….nice…ohh wait, your serious! Let me laugh harder.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

  204. on 04 May 2013 at 12:35 pm 204.A said …

    Miles your answer is not coming and neither is mine. What a bunch of clowns. They are the reason we need a welfare state.

  205. on 04 May 2013 at 12:40 pm 205.A said …

    Oh DPK, just read your rant. Actually God takes out everyone so make that about 8 bullion. Come on! Can’t even get that number right?

    Yep, your timer will run out too and you have no quarters left.

  206. on 04 May 2013 at 12:53 pm 206.Fluttershy said …

    You idiot A.
    Hes referring to the flood that is said in the bible (which never happened), back then there was only millions, not billions, of people.

  207. on 04 May 2013 at 12:55 pm 207.Fluttershy said …

    Miles your answer is not coming and neither is mine. What a bunch of clowns. They are the reason we need a welfare state.

    Again, idiot, the damned bible post was thrown around a bazzilion times, but because you cannot read, i will repost the thing…

    If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple … So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.” (Luke 14:26-27, 33)

    Here is that disgusting phrase from the bible you ordered.

  208. on 04 May 2013 at 1:19 pm 208.A said …

    Than you Butterfly. You guys are proven liars…..again. Not one word about abandoning your family.

    And Butterfly, you are no Sherlock. My 8 billion was referring to all mankind. God takes us all out. Not too sharp there are you Butter?

    LOL!!

  209. on 04 May 2013 at 2:22 pm 209.michael said …

    Wow. This fucking website blows i have this goddamn bar at the bottom that randomly adds words…you cannot post anything short and anything too long “looks spammy”

    fuck

  210. on 04 May 2013 at 2:32 pm 210.Michael said …

    197.the messenger said …

    195.michael, love, kindness and compassion are what keeps the world going, not sexual interests.

    And I am not gay. I just have will power.

    actually…no.

    science does. Norman Borlaug does. Winston Churchill does. Vannevar Bush does. Gandhi does. Leaders and great men do.

    Christians…they are all about the end.

    Nuclear controversy

    In 1958, at a time of heightened fear of nuclear war and mutual destruction between the West and the Soviet Union, Fisher said that he was “convinced that it is never right to settle any policy simply out of fear of the consequences . . . For all I know it is within the providence of God that the human race should destroy itself in this manner [nuclear war].”[3] He was also quoted as saying that “The very worst the Bomb can do is to sweep a vast number of People from this world into the next into which they must all go anyway”.[4] He was heavily criticised in the press for this view, though a number of clergy, including Christopher Chavasse, Bishop of Rochester, defended him, saying that “In an evil world, war can be the lesser of the two evils.”[3]

    as for your so called “willpower”..my guess is you suffer from a hormone deficiency.

  211. on 04 May 2013 at 2:36 pm 211.Michael said …

    196.michael, Jesus never encouraged hate or violence. That passage is referring to Jesus destroying hate.

    The verse about the the peace and sword was referring to the fact that Jesus will never except peace with evil, and that he has come to battle against hate by teaching kindness.

    No. it doesn’t. For christsake

    25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

    FROM BIBLEGATEWAY.COM Generously provided by Ligonier Ministries

    14:26 hate. This means to love less (cf. Gen. 29:31, 33; Deut. 21:15–17, where “unloved” translates a word meaning “hated”). Discipleship means loving the Master so much that all other loves are hatred by comparison.

    so…no. you are wrong. AGAIN!

    anyone noticing a pattern here?

    this fuckin messenger guy is hilariously named.

  212. on 04 May 2013 at 2:40 pm 212.Michael said …

    196.michael, Jesus did not mean to literally mean leave your family, he meant that you must devote more of your time to the lord and his teachings, rather that your family.

    Jesus never said hate all distractions. He stated that we must love GOD so much that all other relationship would seem like hate in comparison. Jesus wants us to love people, but love him more.

    WHOLLY FUCKING BIBLE BELT!

    Yes, Jesus did mean to abandon your family! He said it A LOT! you don’t devote “more time” you devote ALL YOUR TIME. and yes, love him only, so much that it appears if others are hated. If you think this is a moral act, well, there is no saving you.

    57 As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.”

    58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

    59 He said to another man, “Follow me.”

    But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”

    60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

    61 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”

    62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

    Here ya go. Let the dead bury the dead. Forget your family. tra la.

  213. on 04 May 2013 at 2:48 pm 213.Michael said …

    201.Miles said …

    “Jesus says repeatedly to abandon your family”

    Where? Provide book, chapter and verse.

    how about you do some goddamn research yourself.

    but just in case you are trying to make a point.

    Matthew 8:21, 10:21, 10:34-36, 12:47-49, 19:10, 19:29, 23:9

    Mark 3:31-34, 10″29-30

    Luke 5:11, 9: 59-62, 14:26, 14:33, 18:29-30, 21:26

    this isn’t even the fucked up stuff. Jesus says in Matthew 19 that everyone should be virgins and not fuck. and that if they do, they will go to heaven. talk about end of the world…

  214. on 04 May 2013 at 6:00 pm 214.DPK said …

    205.A said …

    “Oh DPK, just read your rant. Actually God takes out everyone so make that about 8 bullion.”

    So if god is the one who decides when you die, and there is nothing immoral in that, why do we punish murders? You lament Stalin and Pol Pot all the time here, Assman… but according to your worldview they are only doing god’s work. How could it be otherwise?
    How’s that shit flavored shoe tasting?

    208.A said …

    “Than you Butterfly. You guys are proven liars…..again. Not one word about abandoning your family.”

    Gee what does “hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters” and “forsake ALL that you have” mean in your world, ASS? You’re like the kid with his hand in the cookie jar denying he’s taking a cookie. Jesus said what he said (according to the bible).. why don’t you accept it and defend it rather than try to pretend it doesn’t say what it clearly does?
    Why do you feel the need to endlessly rationalize and defend your god’s supposed words? Surely the all powerful creator of the universe doesn’t need the likes of YOU to explain to everyone what he “really” meant. I’d think if he was a god, his intent would be perfectly clear. When he said you must hate your family, he didn’t mean you shouldn’t actually hate your family. If that was what he actually meant, he would have said that… No?

  215. on 04 May 2013 at 8:21 pm 215.Anonymous said …

    202.DPK, GOD wants us to learn and spread his messages all over the world.

    If we teach it we will better understand it.
    Jesus used metaphors many times to teach us his morals.
    Atheists have a hard time understanding metaphors.

  216. on 04 May 2013 at 8:28 pm 216.the messenger said …

    211.Michael, you idiot, it stated hated by comparison, it did not say hate your family.

    Hate by comparison means that you must love something so much that everything else “seems like hate in comparison”.
    Jesus wants us to devote more of our time to him. he did not mean leave you family physiclly, he meant spiritually.

  217. on 04 May 2013 at 8:30 pm 217.alex said …

    “Atheists have a hard time understanding metaphors.”

    wrong. theists have a hard discerning bullshit. to you fuckers, if it smells bullshitty, you call it a metaphor.

    you can’t resist calling anything a blessing. when somebody points out the flip side, you fuckers always gag out the “god had other plans”.

    fuck off with your jesus shit and that ain’t no metaphor.

  218. on 04 May 2013 at 8:33 pm 218.alex said …

    “Jesus wants us to devote more of our time to him.”

    jesus wants you to fuck off. and he wants you to quit fucking with atheists. he wants you to take a vow of silence. he wants you to forgo the internet and the evil porn. now go.

  219. on 04 May 2013 at 9:02 pm 219.alex said …

    “GOD wants us to learn and spread his messages all over the world.”

    it’s one thing to come in here and discuss shit, but another thing to continually post your fucked up nonsense. instead of whining to the blogmaster about the language, etc, you morons should be happy that you’re not censored. last time i checked, most of your religious sites are quick to eject and/or ban just about any dissenting viewpoints.

    just like the endless bible peddlers in my neighborhood, you’ll be met with disdain, scorn, and the filthiest, foulest, language, i can manage to heap upon your motherfucking ass.

  220. on 04 May 2013 at 11:19 pm 220.michael said …

    211.Michael, you idiot, it stated hated by comparison, it did not say hate your family.
    Hate by comparison means that you must love something so much that everything else “seems like hate in comparison”.
    Jesus wants us to devote more of our time to him. he did not mean leave you family physiclly, he meant spiritually

    more of your time? How about all of your time. When you abandon your family, you are saying you dont care about them. When you dont care about someone, its not a very nice thing. So semantics aside, he wants people to abandon their families, stay virgins, and follow him.

    you go ahead and do that.

    and no one will ever miss you.

  221. on 04 May 2013 at 11:25 pm 221.michael said …

    I actually do believe that Jesus spoke in metaphors to confuse. In fact, he said that he did. Its because he wanted stupid people to go to hell. To not receive his message. So that the select few could go.

    once again, a cunty thing to do. And something that most christans wont admit.

    jesus was a fucking asshole. He wanted some people to burn in hell for eternity. He…well…must have hated them. His creations. You know the ones he supposedly made.

    which actually goes with what the bible says.

    if you follow the story of Jacob and Esau, god just fucking hates some people. For no reason at all.

    so jesus is like god in a way.

    Then again, he also thought the world was gonna end and if you showed him an iPhone he would shit himself.

  222. on 05 May 2013 at 5:15 am 222.Fluttershy said …

    *sigh*
    oddly enough no one ever states my name correctly.
    Well…the theists never do.
    Anyway, back on topic.

    “Atheists have a hard time understanding metaphors.”

    No, i think it is safe to assume that being that most of the atheists here can be sickened by such disturbing passages, that you have a hard time understanding metaphors.

    There is a time and place to use metaphors, but a divine book that is meant to look nice should not be filled with vulgar metaphors.

  223. on 05 May 2013 at 1:08 pm 223.michael said …

    god hates cross dressers.

    jesus says you are blessed when persecuted.

    if you catch someone working on the sabbath, kill them

    after sex, keep the sheets as evidence of virginity.

    jesus said that you are worth more than many sparrows.

    jesus was a virgin and you should be one too!

    love your enemy…because its good to be a slave.

    if someone hits you turn the other cheek to them.

    unless someone asks you to hit them, then do it or a lion might eat you.

    people of other religions are doomed.

    dont let them eat meat or marry.

    god is vengeful and jealouse, and he may hate you for no reason at all.

    women have a license to be slutty in the country side.

    you can rape someone if you have the equivalent of $700 worth of silver, but you gotta marry them

    …why do people think this book is moral?

  224. on 05 May 2013 at 1:31 pm 224.Fluttershy said …

    Herp Derp
    post evidence, methaphors, communism, atheists, alien seeding, evolution, cells, flying horses, god, jesus.

    The answer in a nutshell…

  225. on 05 May 2013 at 1:35 pm 225.The messenger said …

    220.michael, Jesus did not force John and James to abandon each other, and they were family.

    Therefore in reality, Jesus did not mean leave your family, he meant for us to dedicate more of our time to him.

  226. on 05 May 2013 at 2:07 pm 226.The messenger said …

    223.michael, when Jesus said blessed are the persecuted, he means that the people who are being persecuted are better than the people who persecute them.

  227. on 05 May 2013 at 2:13 pm 227.the messenger said …

    223.michael, GOD does not hate anyone.

  228. on 05 May 2013 at 2:15 pm 228.the messenger said …

    223.michael, we are suppose to forgive those who hurt us. Revenge is wrong.

    Forgive those who hurt you, love them, pity them, and forgive them.

  229. on 05 May 2013 at 2:21 pm 229.the messenger said …

    Jesus never said that it is good to be a slave.
    And we are suppose to love our enemies. If we hate them then we are just as bad. All forms of hate are bad. We need to learn forgiveness.

    It seems that all atheists want is revenge.

  230. on 05 May 2013 at 2:22 pm 230.the messenger said …

    Jesus never said that people of other religions are doomed.

    All people can go to heaven, as long as they are loving and kind people.

  231. on 05 May 2013 at 2:24 pm 231.the messenger said …

    Paul stated that it is good if you never have sex, but he never stated that it was a requirement.

  232. on 05 May 2013 at 2:26 pm 232.the messenger said …

    GOD is not vengeful.

  233. on 05 May 2013 at 2:26 pm 233.the messenger said …

    He is forgiving.

  234. on 06 May 2013 at 12:21 am 234.alex said …

    messenger, go fuck yourself X 20.

  235. on 06 May 2013 at 12:36 am 235.Fluttershy said …

    Messenger, i dont think people mind if you post perhaps 3 times in a row, but that is just ridiculous, if you did that in ANY forum, you would be perma-banned.
    And dont say god doesnt hate anyone, he hates many people, including the gays.

  236. on 06 May 2013 at 1:16 am 236.michael said …

    messenger, the good news is that people like you tend to work yourselves out of society. Just try not to hurt anyone when your delusions collapse around you. its gonna hurt. I would feel bad, but i gave it the college try.

  237. on 06 May 2013 at 1:56 am 237.the messenger said …

    235.Fluttershy, the bible does not state that GOD hates gays, or anyone.

  238. on 06 May 2013 at 2:04 am 238.Fluttershy said …

    Umm…
    michael…
    People like messenger usualy *Dont* work themseleves out of their delusion, you got it backwards ;D

  239. on 06 May 2013 at 2:04 am 239.Fluttershy said …

    Umm…
    michael…
    People like messenger usualy *Dont* work themseleves out of their delusion, you got it backwards ;D

  240. on 06 May 2013 at 2:10 am 240.the messenger said …

    236.michael, you obviously are not mentally capable of understanding the messages in the bible.

    I therefore deem you inane, and kindly suggest that you seek help in combating this formidable delusion of yours.

  241. on 06 May 2013 at 2:13 am 241.the messenger said …

    239.Fluttershy, I had no idea that you were a pet parrot.

    Flutty wanna cracker?

  242. on 06 May 2013 at 2:16 am 242.the messenger said …

    239.Fluttershy, comment 240 was just a joke about the identical comments that you posted.

    If you took it to offence,I ask for your forgiveness.

  243. on 06 May 2013 at 2:19 am 243.Fluttershy said …

    Honestly…
    i dont know how i double posted there…

  244. on 06 May 2013 at 12:17 pm 244.Miles said …

    Fluttershy you posted 3 times in a row. You are now Permabanned.

    Goodbye

  245. on 06 May 2013 at 1:23 pm 245.Fluttershy said …

    Did you read my earlier post where i said about 3 is aceptable?
    Apparently not.

  246. on 06 May 2013 at 11:49 pm 246.the messenger. said …

    Stay on the subject

  247. on 06 May 2013 at 11:51 pm 247.the messenger. said …

    241.Fluttershy, you are a hypocrite.

  248. on 07 May 2013 at 9:59 am 248.Fluttershy said …

    236.michael, you obviously are not mentally capable of understanding the messages in the bible.
    I therefore deem you inane, and kindly suggest that you seek help in combating this formidable delusion of yours.
    on 06 May 2013 at 2:13 am 241.the messenger said …
    239.Fluttershy, I had no idea that you were a pet parrot.
    Flutty wanna cracker?
    on 06 May 2013 at 2:16 am 242.the messenger said …
    239.Fluttershy, comment 240 was just a joke about the identical comments that you posted.
    If you took it to offence,I ask for your forgiveness.

    Ok…i SWEAR these posts werent here before i said my double post was unexpected…
    Anyway…i will comply with messenger to stay on topic…

    In hell, will there be bacon, or for that matter, bacon suits of deliciousness?(s0l0m0n says you will wear one in hell…)

  249. on 12 May 2013 at 5:06 pm 249.michael said …

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hpc2NjUAtOY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dhpc2NjUAtOY

  250. on 16 Sep 2013 at 12:44 am 250.Bill said …

    I grew up in a christian home. I was a person who didn’t like people in other religions and I tried to avoid them. I am older now, I study not just the bible but this whole religion in general. I was brainwashed by my parents, pastors and other christian family members. I am actually about to stop going to church because it doesn’t even represent God at all, it’s all a bunch of people who have crappy lives and want to control people so they use concepts like hell to scare people, because fear is how we always get caught. If God died for our sins then why are so many people hell bound according to christians?

    If hell is as real as christians say it is then every single christian on this planet is a fake and doesn’t love God at all because we are supposed to go to God willingly, joyfully and without force. Telling someone that they will Go to hell for not loving me will make them not love me for sure. The bible is not even the word of God because if it was there wouldn’t be so many contradictions in it because “God is not the author of confusion” right? That’s why many wrote it, man speak about it and man translated it yet IT’S GODS WORD.

    Even if you are a person who follows the bible, there isn’t a moment where Christ condemned anyone for not knowing him. His love for others is what drew people to him not a “I WILL BURN YOU IN HELL” attitude. I mean come on, you are worshiping a man who befriended a prostitute according to your bible so I will never understand why it is the first thing for a christian to judge people, WHICH IS ALSO A SIN, according to the bible. Now is all of this MORAL?
    Please tell me

  251. on 16 Sep 2013 at 12:48 am 251.Bill said …

    Another thing, none of us have created hell or heaven, seen hell or heaven or seen anyone get kicked into hell or ascended into heaven. So if that is the case, who in the hell are we to determine who makes it into heaven or hell? according to the bible, no one is going to heaven because that’s Gods dwelling place and not mankind so where did that even come from? We were created for earth.

  252. on 24 Feb 2014 at 5:36 am 252.jonathan said …

    the only people who made sense in this argument where Michael, alex flutterfly and Bill. Messenger’s argument were redundant he changed the subject so many times he couldn’t keep track of his argument. A’s comment were utterly stupid to begin with in the end the atheists took this battle hand down if this ass a football game it would have been like 48-0

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