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Christianity Thomas on 17 Jun 2010 01:42 am

Nonsense from the 9/11 widows

The 9/11 widows claim they are being visited by their dead husbands and they want the world to know about it:

9/11 Widows Say They’re Touched by Spirits

Even more astonishing are reports of actual sightings. Monica Iken recalled waking up, to see her husband Michael standing at the foot of the bed.

“He was all glowing, and I just sat up, I said, ‘Thank you for coming.’ As quick as I said that, he left. But he was smiling. He was telling me he was there with me. It was not a dream. He was literally standing there,” Monica Iken said.

“These kinds of things tend to happen with people when people lose someone very, very close to them,” said Shear, who added that while there are rational explanations, she doesn’t totally discount the possibility that the incidents might be something more. “Obviously, there’s so many things that we just do not understand.”

We understand completely – it is called a hallucination. Or perhaps a fabrication. We also understand that when people die, they cease to exist:

When you die, you die

11 Responses to “Nonsense from the 9/11 widows”

  1. on 18 Jun 2010 at 9:34 pm 1.S.M.C. said …

    Okay. I’ve seen your “When you die, you die” page before, and I’ve been wanting to say this.

    I have met Jerry B. Jenkins, co-author of the “Left Behind” books. He seemed like a great guy. We had a photo opp together for the local paper and made small talk, and he was politelt interested. He is graceful, well-spoken, and down-to-earth.

    One thing Jerry B. Jenkins is NOT is God.

    I have no doubt that Mr. Jenkins would agree with this statement. He seems humble enough. The “Left Behind” series is one possible interpretation of Biblical prophecies, as seen by Jenkins and his co-author Tim LeHaye. Having a conversation with a Christian who uses “Left Behind” to try to explain Heaven and Resurrection (assuming the conversation you transcribe or anything like it actually took place) is not proof of anything. “Left Behind” is inspired by but is NOT the Bible.

    Many theologians still have debates about what the prophecies in Revelation and elsewhere in the Bible mean. All human understanding of Heaven and the afterlife is faulty. Human explanations of a lot of things are faulty. This doesn’t prove the existence or non-existence of anything.

  2. on 19 Jun 2010 at 12:46 am 2.Martin said …

    Your statement that most theologians still debate what the prophecies in Revelation and elsewhere in the bible mean, says a lot to me. You do not mention anything about non-believers and how we think of the afterlife or the books of the bible. ALL debates between theologians will be faulty, mainly because they debate that which can not be proven. I know you say that things can neither be proven nor disproven, but I bet to differ, we can prove many things in science, some of them things that the bible tells us are much different, but there is NO proof anywhere of the validity of gods, not in the past nor the present, nor the future. Just my idea.

  3. on 19 Jun 2010 at 4:24 pm 3.Hazy Arc said …

    Nobody has ever returned from the afterlife to tell me what it is like. I don’t see why I should believe in it.

  4. on 21 Jun 2010 at 2:55 pm 4.Anonymous said …

    We understand completely – it is called a hallucination. Or perhaps a fabrication. We also understand that when people die, they cease to exist.

    I don’t understand why people still believe in life after death.

  5. on 22 Jun 2010 at 7:25 pm 5.Mac said …

    Ok… first the reason things like this happen is because of free will… and when something like that large happens the church doubles in size… shown by a study in 2002. The sunday after 9/11 the church had 2 times the amount b4… he does these things for his purpose. to bring ppl closer to him. and it works.

  6. on 22 Jun 2010 at 10:14 pm 6.Martin said …

    “The sunday after 9/11 the church had 2 times the amount b4… he does these things for his purpose. to bring ppl closer to him. and it works.”

    So, your god allowed terrorists to come and KILL over 3,000 people just to get a few butts in the pews. You know what else might work, and I’m spitballing here, if GOD would just show himself and show a little compassion.

    And, you faith-heads argue that your god is a loving god, a caring god, and omnipotent god… NOT.. Sorry, that argument might well be one of the worst I’ve ever heard.

    Oxford Theologian, Richard Swinburn, once wrote similarly, “Although God regrets our suffering, his greatest concern is surely that each of us shall show patience, sympathy, and generosity and thereby, form a holy character.”

    I challenge you to go say that to any of the family of those who perished in 911, or any of those who have suffered injury in the resulting war. Ask my son, who lost his sargeant, and took a bullet through the chest and survived, if he thinks he is better off without a right lung, and if has now formed a more holy character.

  7. on 26 Jun 2010 at 7:46 pm 7.Marvin H said …

    Martin: God did show a “little” compassion by sending His son, Jesus. He healed many and taught us to pray for our enemies, but we killed Him. Judging from the way people malign His name today, we would kill him all over again–with glee.

    I say “we” killed him, because we’re ALL guilty before God. Every time we do something to please ourselves rather than to please God or our neighbor, we sin (and basically applaud Adam and Eve for their rebellion).

    We shout praises to Satan when we watch movies that blaspheme Christ’s name or show people engaging in casual sex outside of the confines of marriage–or partake in gossip, slander, or greed.

    Christ died to forgive and send his Holy Spirit to prompt us to leave our lives of sin. If we continue in sin, we spurn the Spirit and ask Him to leave. If we listen to the Spirit, we grow in love and holiness (without becoming judgmental). Pointing out sin in others is not judgmental. Saying we are better than others is. There’s a difference. Imagine if you caught your kid stealing $50 out of your wallet and you try to discipline him, but he says, “Don’t judge me.” That would be ridiculous; we would continue with our correction knowing that it is the right thing to do. Being judgmental would be talking to your friends about how well you disciplined your kid but how stupid your neighbor is for raising an idiot daughter.

    Marvin H

  8. on 26 Jun 2010 at 7:53 pm 8.Martin said …

    Again, Marvin, I applaud your very stauch Chrisitan appologetics, it is very very typical of the responses I expect from “good” Christians.

    First mistake, at least from me, is the whole adam and eve myth. IF you believe in that myth, then we are about as far apart as two individuals can be. My guess is that you also believe in creation, Noah’s ark, and a number of other fairy tales from the bible. IF so, then the discussion would be very difficult between us. I am not likely to be swayed by Theism, and my guess is you are not ready or open to a discussion on science and reason. But, thank you anyway.

    Martin

  9. on 26 Jun 2010 at 8:59 pm 9.Severin said …

    WHY does god need mediators?

    WHY churches? WHY people bothering me with their (so many different) beliefs?

    If god exists and have something to tell me, here I am, welcome god!
    (But if you declare yourself as biblical god, please expect me to spit at your face before you say anything more than introducing yourself)

    Everyone who personally met god/Jesus/Allah/Zeus/Quetzalkoatl/Ra…, let the a.m. gods to address directly to me, let me personally meet him/them.

    I DO NOT TRUST MEDIATORS!

  10. on 26 Jun 2010 at 11:03 pm 10.Marvin H said …

    Martin,

    I agree. We probably cannot move much further. Thank you for taking the time to answer most of my queries and for reading my responses.

    I do believe in Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark. I believe them by faith which does not stand on (nor is it refuted by) logic.

    One way or another, we WILL see each other at some point. May God shed mercy on both of us, in Jesus name.

    Marv

  11. on 27 Jun 2010 at 2:22 pm 11.Martin said …

    Marvin, I fear you are wrong on two counts. One, Adam and Eve have been pretty much logically been removed from the equation, even theologians, agree with that, and Noah’s Ark is a physical impossibility. Two, unless you reach me here, I am sure we will not meet, again, ever.

    Peace to you, and yours.

    Martin

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