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Christianity Admin on 30 Nov 2006 12:16 am

Listen to God Day

This article talks about a new national holiday called “Listen to God Day”:

As the author puts it:

Don’t you think that’s a great idea? I mean, uh, He’s GOD. When He speaks, we should listen. He’s just a few notches up the IQ scale from us, agreed? He made the universe. He made you. He wants to talk to you. Let’s have a holiday!

God speaks? What’s amazing is that when God speaks, people hear so many different things. For example, some people hear God speak and he talks about love and peace. Other people hear God speak, and he tells them to be divinely murderous. Just look at 9/11/2001, or the U.S. reaction to it.

The fact is, when normal, intelligent people listen for God’s voice, they hear absolutely nothing. The author even acknowledges this problem:

Here’s the best part. Listening to God isn’t anything complicated. You don’t have to go looking for a burning bush, hire a monk, or even have your life in order. All you need to do is read. The Listen to God Day is possible because we have 774,746 words in 66 books that are directly from the mouth of God. How do I know this? Check out this amazing statement: “… men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)

So, already we’ve run into a problem with this holiday. It should really be called “Read the Bible day”, not “Listen to God day”.

Let’s say that we do read the Bible, instead of listening to God. The problem is, when normal, intelligent people read the Bible, they find it to be quite repulsive. The author says:

I wish I had more room to list the hundreds and hundreds of verses that, if you read them with an open heart and willing mind to change, would jump off the page and jump start a new way of thinking for you.

Really? That’s interesting. What if we were to start with these:

Isn’t it odd that, by the author’s own admission, the all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe never speaks? And isn’t it odd that, just by reading the dozen or so verses listed above, it is obvious that “his book” is repulsive? Why can’t religious people simply look at these two facts, which are apparent to anyone who is rational, and accept the reality of the situation?

39 Responses to “Listen to God Day”

  1. on 30 Nov 2006 at 1:21 am 1.yeehaa said …

    Awesome. Keep up the good work, rational thought will win in the end.

  2. on 30 Nov 2006 at 9:52 am 2.Adam said …

    You know, the religion scam is brilliantly crafted. Like the milk jug thing, and the threat of damnation… maybe you should analyze the people who invented religion.

  3. on 30 Nov 2006 at 6:46 pm 3.Patty said …

    People need something to believe in. Gods have been around since the beginning of time. The earliest civilizations had them. As for the Bible, we know the bible was written down and put together by a group of men. It was later decided what text was to be included/excluded. Most of us know evolution is correct and the creation story is just that, a story. All religions leave much to be desired, but I still think people need them. There are extremes in everything we encounter, especially religion.

  4. on 01 Dec 2006 at 5:12 pm 4.wesley said …

    If this site weren’t so pitiful, it would be humorous. Its publisher is so deluded that correcting his errors, illusions, straw arguments, etc. would take more time than I probably have on the Earth. And the most entertaining part is, he doesn’t ask for much: simply to be able to dictate to the Master of All; the Uncaused Cause; the Ancient of Days. I once asked a similar question of God regarding such healings (re amputees). The answer was a direct, plain, simple, quiet and supremely authoritative yet gentle knowing in the conscience of my soul and came in the form of another question (and more, omitted here): “Do you possess the faith for this?” I had to admit that I did not. Moving the “hand of God” is not a game or a formulaic endeavor. God does as He pleases and the reason should be obvious. Prayer involves more than a petition/request. It involves aligning the request with the will of God, trusting God that it shall be done and other such elements. Throwing a gauntlet at God’s feet, so to speak, will undoubtedly produce nothing good. Why not just be the fool described in Proverbs? (The fool saith in his heart: ‘There is no God’?) Maybe the publisher of this trash already is an atheist, I didn’t bother to find out but he or she certainly sounds like one. And why not: after all, we can ask “enlightened” and “intelligent” questions such as those posed by Sagan, Russell, ETAL, such as: ‘Why can the Christian claim that God always existed but will not allow for the ‘cosmos’ to have existed without beginning?’. Such questions serve to expose the profound ignorance of the questioner, evidencing the fact that he/she has given little thought to what can be logically deduced without reliance upon any faith at all. While faith is necessary for redemption from deviation from God’s will, and the consequences of such deviation, faith is not necessary to know that a non-physical entity brought the physical realm into existence from nothing else tangible, thus the Proverbs vituperative comment. I seriously doubt that Dobson ETAL are hiding from the publisher of this site. (Talk about flattering yourself). If someone like me can understand and give a solid explanation for, for example, the Isaiah quote and the OT quote regarding the Hiivites and the other unrepentant tribes, then in a debate, Dobson and his ilk would plow over the writer of the tripe found on this blog like General Schwarzkopf charged through Kuwait.

  5. on 01 Dec 2006 at 5:37 pm 5.wesley said …

    evolution? evolution of what exactly? the fact that organisms adapt to thier environment has nothing to do with the grave philosophical issues with which we’re grappling. it’s a red herring for the purposes of answering the big questions regarding existence, nevertheless, anyone who believes all of evolution theory is correct has plainly studied it very little. it was never intended by Darwin to be used on a macro scale. while there is logic-based proof of the existence of a non-physical entity that brought the physical realm into existence (who is necessarily existing outside of the time-space-matter continuum, there is no proof that organisms become other organism types, replete with different dna. the main question we’re debating is one that evolution (macro, micro or any other type) does not even attempt to answer, which is: how is it that anything exists at all? the atheist has nowhere to go except to retreat to the very uncomfortable corner where he/she is forced by the brutality of logic to state the absurdity upon which their claims are based: that is, that the ‘universe’ has simply always existed. tell this to a “retarded” person or a child and observe their expression. they know, intuitively, that what you told them is nincompoopery. the physical realm had a beginning, else, time would extend indinitely into the past which we know is not possible for if it were, then no point in time would ever be reached as there would be no starting point from which to move forawrd. apparently,the people blithering about rational thought are not capable of rational thought when its goal is something more complicated than long division.

  6. on 01 Dec 2006 at 5:38 pm 6.wesley said …

    WITH TYPOS CORRECTED:

    evolution? evolution of what exactly? the fact that organisms adapt to their environment has nothing to do with the grave philosophical issues with which we’re grappling. it’s a red herring for the purposes of answering the big questions regarding existence, nevertheless, anyone who believes all of evolution theory is correct has plainly studied it very little. it was never intended by Darwin to be used on a macro scale. while there is logic-based proof of the existence of a non-physical entity that brought the physical realm into existence (who is necessarily existing outside of the time-space-matter continuum, there is no proof that organisms become other organism types, replete with different dna. the main question we’re debating is one that evolution (macro, micro or any other type) does not even attempt to answer, which is: how is it that anything exists at all? the atheist has nowhere to go except to retreat to the very uncomfortable corner where he/she is forced by the brutality of logic to state the absurdity upon which their claims are based: that is, that the ‘universe’ has simply always existed. tell this to a “retarded” person or a child and observe their expression. they know, intuitively, that what you told them is nincompoopery. the physical realm had a beginning, else, time would extend infinitely into the past which we know is not possible for if it were, then no point in time would ever be reached as there would be no starting point from which to move forward. apparently, the people blithering about rational thought are not capable of rational thought when its goal is something more complicated than long division.

  7. on 01 Dec 2006 at 5:51 pm 7.wesley said …

    “they’ll know we are Christians by our love” the song “says”. (they will know it by our love—not by our acrimony). i admit when i’ve done wrong. so, instead of “casting pearls before swine” (no acrimony intended), i’ll simply say sorry that, even though i (and not really i but God and His Bible) are correct, my attempt to correct should be done with kindness in my heart and not anger, albeit righteous (and it {kindness} is there for you {Patty ETAL} in the form of the compassion i have for you. finding the right way in this life, this world, largely controlled by satan, is not easy. so—-i’ll pray for you.

  8. on 01 Dec 2006 at 6:01 pm 8.wesley said …

    i pray that God will enlighten you and illumine your minds and that you do not leave the Earth without His salvation. i pray this in the name of Jesus.

    that is prayer that may well be answered, though it depends not only upon my will and God’s will, but also upon your own as an entity who has been given free will.
    this prayer is aligned with the will of God. we can know that because He tells us to spread His Gospel (good news) that we can have love, peace, joy and all the good that accompanies being in His presence when we leave this Earth and even beginning in the minute we accept, by faith, His salvation for us and His Lordship. He is not bloodthirsty and that is a gross understatement. Simply because He sees, for example, that the Hiivites, Amorites, ETAL would never repent and so allowed the Israelites to take their lives prior to expiration of their “threescore and ten”, we are unfit to judge Him. He gave us life, if we choose to reject the safety He has provided for us, He may well permit us to go our own way, into the dangerous area beyond His protection. the fact that He did not permit some heathen tribe members live as long as some might have preferred is not an indictment of Him or His goodness.

  9. on 01 Dec 2006 at 6:03 pm 9.wesley said …

    WITH CORRECTIONS

    i pray that God will enlighten you and illumine your minds and that you do not leave the Earth without His salvation. i pray this in the name of Jesus.

    that is prayer that may well be answered, though it depends not only upon my will and God’s will, but also upon your own as an entity who has been given free will.
    this prayer is aligned with the will of God. we can know that because He tells us to spread His Gospel (good news) that we can be with Him; we can have love, peace, joy and all the good that accompanies being in His presence when we leave this Earth and even beginning in the minute we accept, by faith, His salvation for us and His Lordship. He is not bloodthirsty and that is a gross understatement. Simply because He sees, for example, that the Hiivites, Amorites, ETAL would never repent and so allowed the Israelites to take their lives prior to expiration of their “threescore and ten”, we are unfit to judge Him. He gave us life, if we choose to reject the safety He has provided for us, He may well permit us to go our own way, into the dangerous area beyond His protection. the fact that He did not permit some heathen tribe members to live as long as some might have preferred is not an indictment of Him or His goodness.

  10. on 01 Dec 2006 at 11:22 pm 10.Loi P said …

    Well, than why don’t you go and pray rather than tell us about it?

  11. on 03 Dec 2006 at 1:52 am 11.wesley said …

    to Loi P:
    re well THEN? etc.:
    why can’t i do both? (which i did). apparently you didn’t notice that i prayed in my writing as well as after leaving the site. my informing you of my intentions does not detract from my acting upon them. while the tone of my original writing may have been somewhat angry, i was defending a Being who has no fault and so the anger is somewhat justified. i fail to see any justification for the offensive tone of your brief note.

  12. on 03 Dec 2006 at 7:46 am 12.Steve said …

    Santa Claus is coming… to town :)

  13. on 03 Dec 2006 at 9:06 am 13.christine m said …

    Jesus said, if you have faith as a mustard seed your prayers would be answered! Where does the scripture say anything about aligning to the will of God to get your prayers answered?

    Wesley, repeating your drivel over and over in the guise of fixing typos is not helping your case!

  14. on 03 Dec 2006 at 2:12 pm 14.MWStover said …

    Jesus had issues of his own. Nice guy, nasty family. With a dad like that, who wouldn’t be a bit off?

  15. on 03 Dec 2006 at 3:12 pm 15.Patty said …

    When I came upon this website, I understood it was to be a forum for both believers and non believers?
    It seems the majority of the responses to comments from believers are deragatory. What is the reason for this? Why can’t there be “rational” and mature discussions and comments? Just wondering…

  16. on 04 Dec 2006 at 7:44 am 16.TXCleo said …

    How very convenient for your god that mankind is unfit to judge him- because that is the only way you can reconcile an utter dependence on a god who commits bloodthirsty acts. It is also very convenient that your god gets to defy the laws you claim things must abide by(must have a beginning) and that even retarded persons and children would be able to see through this foolishness that something has always existed. Perhaps this is why you believe your god has always existed? Why can you not see this foolishness? I guess ‘rational’ thought does not coincide with consistency, for either physical laws of nature or morality.

  17. on 05 Dec 2006 at 8:31 pm 17.Marcos said …

    You are hilarious, keep up the good work, we need more voices like yours to be heard in America. People don’t need to believe in religion. They can believe in themselves, they can believe in honor, in kindness, in love. They can believe in their country and what it stands for. Belief in religion detracts from all these things. With all the problems religions cause, how can we still desperately cling to this nonsense? The god of the Bible is monstruous, ordering the deaths of millions, waging war, hurting people and giving the green light to slavery. Ultimately what the religious right wants is to make the Bible substitute the Constitution so they can once again practice slavery.

  18. on 05 Dec 2006 at 10:56 pm 18.Peter said …

    Wesley:

    Thanks for the lecture. You’re a hoot. And exactly why sites like this one are necessary.

    Patty:

    You want “rational” discussion? OK. It is rational to ask for hard evidence of something. So let’s ask Wesley to give us tangible evidence of his discussion with God. Where is this God? What did he sound like? What did he look like? What were his exact words? Why did he choose Wesley for his communication? etc. As an atheist I would love to see this evidence. I would love to have a discussion.

    But, you know that we won’t get any evidence. You know that Wesley has no “rational” answers to any of those questions. I’ll bet he hides behind the word “faith”. Which is the believer’s way of avoiding discussion. That’s the point: believers do not want to discuss anything “rationally”, because if they do they will expose themselves as believing in superstition. The sham of religion requires that there is no discussion or reason. That’s why we atheists sometimes sound derogatory. It is tough to have a discussion when only one side is being rational.

  19. on 06 Dec 2006 at 12:07 am 19.wesley said …

    for christine: the Bible is not like any other book. it will remain cryptic for those lacking the Spirit of God. a prayer must be aligned to the will of God. this is not stated explicitly (to my knowledge) but may be deduced anyway. God does not violate His own will; i.e. sin. Thus, if a request is not within His will, though it may come to pass, it would be an inadvertence rather than an answered prayer. Try, instead of slinging bald criticisms, answering this portion of the “drivel” since the writing in its entirety was too much to handle: how is it that anything exists at all? the atheist has nowhere to go except to retreat to the very uncomfortable corner where he/she is forced by the brutality of logic to state the absurdity upon which their claims are based: that is, that the ‘universe’ has simply always existed. … the physical realm had a beginning, else, time would extend infinitely into the past which we know is not possible for if it were, then no point in time would ever be reached as there would be no starting point from which to move forward. my repetitions are not intentional. i make errors.
    for Peter (i guess your parents didn’t anticipate your atheism, given your name {assuming you didn’t change it to ‘Peter’}): who said anything about a discussion? plainly, you didn’t read what i’d written very closely and though used quotes, the answer didn’t come in the form of speech but instead it came as i’d written: a conviction. i challenge you to desist from pretending i offered no explanation re God’s existence, when i obviously did. why not try refuting the same thing i’d written to christine?
    for TXCleo: judging by your response, it’s plain that you have not exerted the mental fortitude necessary to understand/reason/deduce that God, not being a ‘thing’ that is composed of matter, etc. necessarily is outside of the “laws” of nature as the physical realm could not have been brought into existence by anyTHING else physical for the same issue would exist with regard to that thing or physical being: i.e. what brought it into existence? The Bible does not say “The fool saith in his heart: ‘There is no God’ ” for no reason. Why not find me another text, perhaps some famous atheist tome, as widely read, as time-enduring and as respected as the Bible that brands me as you have been branded by it?

  20. on 06 Dec 2006 at 6:55 pm 20.studebaker said …

    Do try to remember to take your meds regularly, Wesley.

  21. on 07 Dec 2006 at 2:08 am 21.wesley said …

    re studebaker: it’s apparent that, as you lack any real response to the content of what i’ve written, you’ve been reduced to naked insults. i love “debating” atheists. they never seem to get to the issues. for example: how is it that anything exists, etc. This is plainly because their positions are so untenable and difficult to defend; e.g. that the physical realm has always existed without cause and was also in motion sans any cause as well). consequently, we’re forced to deal with brilliancies such as the one served up by studebaker. my post contained a syllogism. if, for example, you do not accept one or more of its premises, let’s hear about it and maybe an explanation. or is name-calling, insults, etc. the best you can do? (be careful not to strain yourself.)

  22. on 07 Dec 2006 at 12:36 pm 22.betty jean said …

    You go guy – I loved your website. We live way down here in Georgia and you ought to see the way the preachers keep the general population ignorant. We are forty eighth in education, 42nd in health care (one of the highest infant mortality rates in the nation, rivaling almost a third world country)third in foreclosures, and a do-nothing governor (Perdue). The Stryker Brigade and Charlie Company has had some of the highest fatalities in the Iraq War. Most people reading this will be after one thing- that is mindless domination and enforced ignorance of people who genuinely want to educate them! But as is always the case, I suspect you have woken up a few people. You should really compare a lot of the stories of the Bible with those older versions from India. There are Indian fables of a baby being rescued from the reeds in water (Moses) and a gourd protecting the people in Jonah the same way a snake protected people with its outstretched hood in Hinduism (shades of plagiarism, Batman)! There is a big push by the government to brainwash the kids in school with this crap-they have ruthless people who will try every way to get into the public schools to brainwash them from kindergarten up. They play Baptist hymns in the classrooms, have Christian prayer services at the PTA meetings, and rent gymnasiums for these racist christian religious ceremonies. Its mostly done by Republicans. One lives nearby and promotes it (he says no Democrats go to heaven – guess FDR is in flames in his wheelchair AWWW) but his own grandson won’t be friends with a Mexican and perish the thought of him ever being in the military. We even have preachers here who want voting banned. Every thing should be God’s will and that the leaders are in place because God put them there. This works out fine for W’s oil war. But you “believers” might want to take a moment this December 7, to reflect on the Budhists, Jews, and (yes) Moslems who fought and died for this country, too. Maybe they just want their kids to learn about Math, Social Studies, and Reading and not a lot of religious crap.

    You go guy… and to those who say “take your meds regularly” and “you are evil” will they please go and live in a real dictatorship where freedom of speech is unheard of… when they finally make a slip up and get stoned the ancient way then they may want to have some second thoughts…sounds kind of like what we percieve the ancient Israelis to be, Huh?

    P.S. The Christmas lights are great but gol’ darn it, why couldn’t the kid in Polar Express have given the bell to the poor kid in the movie (Tom Hanks) instead of keeping the first gift of Christmas for himself? Santa even went along with it. As the Arctic melts, so do my hopes for the usefulness of Christianity.

  23. on 09 Dec 2006 at 5:30 pm 23.Jeff M said …

    Betty Jean:

    Christianity has nothing to do with Georgia’s poor school performance. Reading the Bible for me, privately, has helped to educate me greatly regarding the Middle Eastern history My education hasn’t suffered one bit because of the Bible.

    If a preacher can keep people ignorant, it’s because THE PEOPLE DON’T READ THE BIBLE FOR THEMSELVES. But the last time I checked, FEWER people are going to church every year. So HOW ARE THESE PREACHERS LEADING THEM ASTRAY IF THEY AREN’T THERE ANYMORE TO LISTEN TO HIS WORDS?

    And who’s trying to brainwash kids? There are more media outlets now, more then ever. We have music radio, talk radio, commercial TV, cable TV, movies of all ratings.

    We also have BOOKS–what a concept! There’s blogs, podCasts, the internet, iPODs, MP3′s, CD’s and DVD’s. We can also TiVo any television show. The point is that there is information EVERYWHERE, this site included. So don’t tell me about brainwashing kids in school when the world of knowledge is open to them and they can choose what to pursue. The parents should be involved as well.

    However, Betty Jean, there are indeed Christians who do make grievous errors (Unless you expect “perfection” from us. What a laugh!) Anyone who says Christians are all Republicans is speaking foolishly. The preacher who wants to ban voting is wrong. And those trying to get “prayer-law” enacted should cease from their nonsense.

    Your worst comment was that Christianity is racist. You don’t know me, who I’m friends with, or where I go to church, and you assume that I would participate in a lynching. Quoting the Bible is appropriate here:

    “You therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.” (Romans chapter 2, v. 1)

  24. on 13 Dec 2006 at 6:48 pm 24.Loi P said …

    To Wesley:
    Your argument of “how does everything exist?” is old and has already been answered on the forum numerous times.
    Think of it like this- Let’s say that there’s a chair in front of you. There’s still a chair, it’s just in pieces of a chair. If you burn the pieces of a chair, than you have the ashes of a chair. No matter what you do, there will still be a chair. In other words, matter cannot be created or destroyed; this is a simple axiom of science.
    About the comment I made earlier you said that you were going to pray for us in about 3 different posts.
    It also annoyed me how you kept on saying that you pray that “God will enlighten and illumine” us like we’re dumb or confused. Before you’re going to make a comment like that, at least use correct capitalization.

  25. on 16 Dec 2006 at 11:03 pm 25.wesley said …

    to Loi: re “correct capitalization”
    Once again: that is all you’ve got? a complaint about the mechanics of my comment? I’m not very interested in perfect mechanics in my posts here. most normal readers will note the periods and be able to calculate the beginnings and endings of my sentences. and thanks so much for you chair blather. i’m sure it answered everyone’s questions. the 1st “law” of thermodynamics is true of all cases except for 1 as it cannot be true in the first cased else nothing would exist. if my argument is so old and presumably so easily refuted—WHY DON’T YOU? (refute it). the answer is as simple as you are: you can’t. plainly, you lack the cerebral fortitude to even comprehend what i’ve written. when you decide that you’re going to combat your slothful cognitive processes and perhaps think past your nose, maybe you’ll be able to understand what i’ve written, though i won’t be holding my breath. and as for the acrimonious tone i use at times: as the Bible says: ‘Answer a fool according to his folly.’
    you certainly need prayer as, plainly, you are confused.

  26. on 17 Dec 2006 at 2:05 pm 26.Earthcalm Scientific said …

    Wow Wesley,

    I guess we need trained theologians today to prop up the fact that by all accounts the person who supposedly authored the Good Book, the God Almighty could be bested and out-smarted by a skilled writer in elementary school!

    Would you like to see the outcome of any thinking Atheists version of the Bible if they were charged with such a globally significant task. i dare say any author of almost any age down to Kindergarden would be more loving and less homicidal than the Almighty in authoring their Blessed Book!

    But then, God is entitled to do as he pleases without ethical responsibility.

    One could easily deduce that in fact the bible has led to and encouraged all manner of personal crimes, property crimes, assaults, sexual crimes, crimes against humanity and that the Bible and God in absentia should be put on trial for both conspiracy to commit murder, war crimes, and genocide. And right up until now, 2000 years after it was decieved, I mean conceived. God is in fact within the Bible, The Criminal Ringleader, having SANCTIONED more mayhem than the mafia, the hells angels, hitler, the federal reserve and disease combined!The proof is in the Bible. Does being God excuse him from the same crimes Americans are still executed for today.

    It would appear that the author of the bible was no more intelligent than its audience at the time it was written. God did after all create man in his image or did he. And evidently still isnt or he would ask for forgivness for being mankinds worst oppresor.

    Maybe he kept them 30 IQ points stupider out of vanity then realized his mistake because they ended up being the jerks in the same behavior as he prescribed. Killing for me shows how much you love me.

    Is God really some over the top egotistical, self absorbed, self important narccicist who pulls a fit if he isnt worshipped. why would a god even need to be worshipped. Oh yes look at all my prostrate little humans bowing before me so obediant. Sounds like a delusioned tyrant doesnt he. Or is he basking in the love, oh how I need them to love me those earthlings and if they dont they can go to hell! I only love you earthlings if you love me, that is the rule, otherwise I hate you and will personally see that you are grossly tortured for not loving me.

    Doesnt God sound like the wife beaters whom we lock up in our prisons and psychiatric wards. Is Gods demonstrated behavior like a Psychopath.

    What is happening in the world today is that thinking people are rising up against the THE MOST HEINOUS FRAUD EVER PERPETUATED ON MANKIND AND I EMPHASIZE PERPETUATED RATHER THAN PERPETRATED WHICH DENOTES A PAST TENSE.
    In not to far of a past we would be murdered or tortured grusomely for saying such things and believe me, if you think S & M is a modern construct you are sadly mistaken. The church and bible take ownership of our Sadistic and Masochistic heritage.

    Though as a contractor in a small town full of Bible thumpers Id be black listed for saying these things publically which is why I will just spread around business cards that simply say http://www.God is Imaginary.com and marshall the already rebellious teens to have the guts to Just say No to their parents.

    And if they punish their kids- well doesnt that just prove how brainwashed they are. here in canada you as a teenager could have your parents charged under Human Rights laws for ramming their tripe down your throat and punishing you for resisting. Yes if I beat my adult neighbor with a leather belt I will end up in court for assault but if I whale on my child, well thats entirely my right as a parent and no secular law should see otherwise! It is my right as a God fearing Christian, and God encourages it.

    Maybe someone should put up a bet of say a Billion dollars to build solid, well insulated trailers for Americas and canadas homeless and a $50 dollar per week per person food voucher and if god appears or proves himself anytime soon or in the next 5 years, another billion will be donated to have them educated enough to rise above poverty.

    Or we can just spend 4 trillion a year building weapons to kill or prepare to kill people who we believe are a threat to Christianity and the American way of Life and god can keep his mouth shut because only Christians are of real value and deserve respect. Every one else is going to hell unless they adopt your Lord and Savior.

    So Wesley, enjoy your faith until you die and hopefully you can walk barefoot on heavenly streets paved with gold. I dont suppose you will see the devout Muslim neighbor of yours up there who brings 2 gallons of soup or canned goods to the foodbank in your town or city because despite his life long good deeds he just isnt good enough or smart enough to see the light of the bible and entre the heavenly realm only through its gates.

    We are all praying for you to get what you want so badly because we know how dejected all the worlds Christians would be if it came to pass that God is Imaginary. Oops our mistake! Sorry for all the atrocities in Gods name.

    Anthony
    Earthcalm Scientific

  27. on 18 Dec 2006 at 12:25 am 27.Gwen said …

    “faith is not necessary to know that a non-physical entity brought the physical realm into existence from nothing else tangible”

    1. Um, yes, it is.
    2. And if by “know” you mean “believe”, well, see point no. 1.
    That sentence really doesn’t make much sense.

    “Try, instead of slinging bald criticisms, answering this portion of the “drivel” since the writing in its entirety was too much to handle: how is it that anything exists at all? the atheist has nowhere to go except to retreat to the very uncomfortable corner where he/she is forced by the brutality of logic to state the absurdity upon which their claims are based: that is, that the ‘universe’ has simply always existed. … the physical realm had a beginning, else, time would extend infinitely into the past which we know is not possible for if it were, then no point in time would ever be reached as there would be no starting point from which to move forward. my repetitions are not intentional.”

    Yeah, it’s terribly impossible. That’s why the one of the oldest religions on Earth (aka “Hinduism”), which just-so-happens to be rather theist, has no problem holding as doctrine that the universe has gone on forever in pretty much the same way that it does today and will continue existing forever.

    Even more impossible is someone responding to a question like “why does the universe exist?” with “I don’t know [yet]“. Expressions of ignorance about any particular subject obviously invalidates the person’s knowledge in any other area, so I expect you to be able to tell me how to cure cancer. Oh, and fix poverty. And tell me where that book is that I lost a while back. What? You don’t know? But I thought you knew everything…oh, that’s right, whenever there’s something you don’t know you make up some b.s. answer about a magical being who is unbound by any laws of logic, physics, or morality who can do *anything*. Well, can she find my book?

    “(i guess your parents didn’t anticipate your atheism, given your name {assuming you didn’t change it to ‘Peter’})”

    Yes, “Peter” is a very uncommon atheist name, because it means “rock”. Unlike, say, “Christine”, because many atheists’ names mean “Christian”. If you’re going to make totally irrelevant comments about people’s parents’ choice of name, at least direct it to the right atheist.

    “The Bible does not say “The fool saith in his heart: ‘There is no God’ ” for no reason. Why not find me another text, perhaps some famous atheist tome, as widely read, as time-enduring and as respected as the Bible that brands me as you have been branded by it?”

    I love “debating” Christians. They’re so intolerant. Their favorite book says that atheists are fools, and when we can’t come up with a corresponding book (i.e., one that every atheist at least claims to have read bits of and agrees with) that says the same of Christians, it’s proof of our incorrectness rather than, I don’t know, our intrinsic tolerance and kindness? (Not that I believe that atheists are intrinsically tolerant of theism, but it sure seems like tolerance tends to flow from in that direction rather than the other way around, judging by the discussions I’ve been on on teh Intertubes. Unless “you are going to HELL and will BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY and why do you hate God? Turn away from SATAN before you DIE and BURN IN HELL! I will PRAY that God CLEANSES YOU from your SIN and EVIL nature and that you don’t sacrifice any more small children!” [paraphrased for spelling, grammar, punctuation, and coherency] counts as “tolerance” or “rational debate”.)

  28. on 18 Dec 2006 at 12:56 am 28.betty jean said …

    Dear Jeff M

    Great to hear from you!! No, I do not expect Christians to be perfect, far from it!!

    You have a lot of pre-concieved notions. You know people who think they are Christian could not really live in Jesus’ world, could they?

    I mean no cars, a few donkeys with carts for the more well-to-do, and no central heating, etc., etc.

    That would fix a lot of the problems wouldn’t it, just to do without? The closer we get to the land and the basic nessecities (did I spell that right?), the closer we are to nature/god whatever.

    But, yes Jeff M, brainwashing is alive and well in the bible belt!!! Preachers can and do sway elections which is wrong and they can and do destroy lives from the pulpit.

    Jesus did not want his followers to hate others for their race or alternate beliefs, but hey honey, sorry… they DO… Just check out some of your own people’s comments… OK??

    Remember when Jerry Falwell said 911 was a punishment from God?? Because of the homosexuals? That is frightening and repressive and damaging to little children. They do not need to hear that God washed people clean as snow and free of sin. Isn’t that racist? Does a black person need more “washing” than a white person? Why is black have negative meanings in the christian religion if it is not racist? Tell it to the millions of citizens in this country who are alienated daily by Jesus’ “whiter than white” laundry campaign. OK. If you cannot explain it, then do not defend it. White skin was long the basis for slavery just because of this.

    You can waffle around and say that white means clear or pure or crystalline like as in the old greek meaning but the bible says “white as snow” when talking about free from sin. That means that if some little black kid is next to a white kid in some baptist territory, that black kid already has a strike against him. And yes, Jeff M there are people who will lynch that kid.

    What kind of christian are you talking about? Who is in this exclusive club? That they are not perfect is true… Do they ever get kicked out for being completely unacceptable? Or do they just do as they please while they wear a silly grin?

    The KKK claims to be Christian and is one of the foremost perpetrators of hate crimes. They all do it for some divine reward the same as the Moslems and the Jews.

    The people trying to get prayer-law enacted should indeed cease from their nonsense. But they never do. In fact, they are encouraged to break laws and harass/endanger anyone who opposes them from the pulpit.

    Is this the christianity you promote?

    Sounds very much like you were judging me, Jeff M and you should be on your knees praying for forgiveness this very minute:)!! Try self-flagellation, too, for added emphasis.

    Betty

  29. on 18 Dec 2006 at 1:08 am 29.betty jean said …

    Dear Jeff M

    You know, I just wondered for a moment if a post script might make you ponder… Jesus says, the truth will set you free… and the proverbs say to seek knowledge. Ok, maybe in his day he was only trying to free a captive population from their masters. He hoped later people would figure out what they could do if they worked together.

    But Jeff M would a loving father really pit his children against one another? Would he leave people in hell unless they all spoke the same language? Some languages have no J so if every knee bows and every tongue confesses it still won’t work eef they cannot speak ze language, mon, jou know?

  30. on 02 Jan 2007 at 2:35 am 30.Loi P said …

    Wow, Wesley’s last post was angry. Not exactly filled with the holy spirit.
    But seriously, Wesley (if you’re still here), you act as if matter had to be created. Matter could’ve always existed.

  31. on 10 Aug 2008 at 7:16 pm 31.teal said …

    If there is no god, then what difference does it make? Why do you care what a bunch of delusional fools believe and teach? I personally, could not care less if some one believes in Santa.If believers in god are really so stupid as to follow the myth of the existence of god,why not leave their belief to self destruct, (which is what naturally happens to untruth any way.)If there is no god, then your point isn’t worth the time for any one to consider, and a believers point isn’t either. Your point is is useless, because you’re arguing against something that isn’t there. why waste your time? I don’t believe in the tooth fairy,but if I ran into a person who strongly believes in the tooth fairy, I just simply let them be stupid. It’s a waste of my time to argue for the non-existence of tooth fairies. I don’t feel the need to argue for the non-existence of them,because I’m completely convinced they’re not real.Since tooth fairies aren’t real, I’m not wasting my time, arguing in favor the obvious, because I know the myth of tooth fairies can’t effect my life.Tooth fairies simply don’t exist,I know that, and I simply don’t care. Since I don’t care, I don’t bother writing polemics concerning their existence. If you’re as convinced in the nonexistence of god as I am in the nonexistence of tooth fairies, why not just leave the subject alone, and enjoy your life?

  32. on 03 Feb 2010 at 9:01 pm 32.MIAJL34 said …

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  33. on 03 Feb 2010 at 9:26 pm 33.Severin said …

    Some 50 years ago I’ve haerd a joke about constitution of ex-USSR:

    “The constitution of USSR has only 2 paragraphs:
    &1 Communist party is always right
    &2 In cases communist party is not right, apply &1″

    The same with religions!

  34. on 03 Feb 2010 at 9:51 pm 34.Horatio said …

    lol, I had to rspond to this. Ironic that Severin refers to an atheist nation.

    1. There is No God!

    2. If there is a God refer to #1

    3. Now we kill you!

  35. on 05 Feb 2010 at 7:15 am 35.Severin said …

    Wrong, but I do not expect you to understand it, as believers typically do not recognize humor or irony/sarcasm.
    It is something like (as stated from religions):

    #1 There is a god (because we say so)
    #2 If you doubt it, you better refere to #1, otherwise we will kill you (just as in ex-USSR)

    I do not understand your “humor” about killing me, I admit.

  36. on 05 Feb 2010 at 7:16 am 36.Severin said …

    Or, is it humor?

  37. on 05 Feb 2010 at 1:36 pm 37.FOC said …

    has anybody today said they were going to kill you for being an Atheist?(I said today and you personally because it has happend in the past)
    and please let me know if you try my offer on the other page.

  38. on 05 Feb 2010 at 7:41 pm 38.Severin said …

    jeff M
    „Christianity has nothing to do with Georgia’s poor school performance.“

    Compare statistics! The more religious (US)state/(other)country the worse „negative“ statistics: general level of education, powerty, criminal, abortions, drogs….
    Not typical for christianity, but for ALL religions, no exception.

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