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Christianity &Islam Thomas on 05 Apr 2010 12:20 am

A completely reasonable question – Why doesn’t God eliminate hell?

Christians and Muslims, how would you respond to this simple question:

Just let everyone into heaven. Who is going to know?

You’re God. Your life sucks. You already know everything. You’ve already done everything you’re ever going to do. No point in surfing, or kayaking, or seeing Loni Anderson’s boobs. All you do is decide which of these silly, unpredictable creatures you’re going to damn to hell or lift up into heaven. And you realize, because I realize, and I’m retarded compared to you, that you could just let everyone into heaven and nobody would know.

Why is your God too stupid to understand this?

Perhaps it is because God is imaginary, and hell is an imaginary place created by humans.

29 Responses to “A completely reasonable question – Why doesn’t God eliminate hell?”

  1. on 07 Apr 2010 at 5:00 pm 1.Leslie said …

    If God is imaginary to you then it is because He has not opened your eyes to see Him. Regarding prayer, He has ALWAYS answered mine…..you must only know how to pray. He is not so small that I can always comprehend His ways, instead, He is almighty and all powerful….vast enough to be worshiped and held as Holy. My prayer is that He would open the eyes of those who do not “see” Him. God bless you.

  2. on 07 Apr 2010 at 8:17 pm 2.LMAO said …

    Your god is an asshole. So he only allows some people to know he exists and gives everyone else the shaft. Of course, I’d just as well assume he isn’t real since all I have is your word that you have an imaginary friend in the sky you talk to who is going to torture me for an eternity because I don’t think he exists. Yeah, sounds reasonable.

  3. on 08 Apr 2010 at 12:51 am 3.A real-ist said …

    “He has ALWAYS answered mine. My prayer is that He would open the eyes of those who do not “see” Him.”

    So I guess you are saying that your prayers are going to not be answered for the first time ever then since the people that don’t see him will not have their eyes opened by him all of a sudden.
    So you have “seen” him, huh? What does he look like? What does he say to you? Or is that your imaginary mind just talking back to you? It’s kind of funny how individuals can talk to him, but he never talks to two people at the same time that are together.
    Also, if believers will go to heaven and non-believers won’t, then how is it fair if a person is raised by his/her parents not to believe and therefore that person doesn’t believe? Not everyone grows up in the same environment. How about babies when they die? They never had a chance to believe, so that means they go to hell? People need to think things through first.

  4. on 12 Apr 2010 at 4:06 am 4.The voice said …

    A real-ist

    I have a question. Every where you go no matter what continent, area, region or people group. They see to have some kind of God. Even the little tribes in Africa that have no contact with the out side world seem to have there own kind of God. Someone, or thing greater than themselves that they want to serve and worship. So if there is no God than why does this happen? If it is something some one made up how did it reach these people and spread so greatly? Maybe there is something in us, in ever person that knows there is a God whether we want to believe it or not is our choice you know that. but what is it about us that makes us all come to have these Gods if the is not One?

  5. on 12 Apr 2010 at 11:04 am 5.Severin said …

    1 Leslie
    “Regarding prayer, He has ALWAYS answered mine…..you must only know how to pray.”

    Why then don’t you pray for starving children, people dying from cancer….

    God NEVER answers such prayers, I personally knew several extremely religious people who prayed for themselves or for thir beloved, but thy all died.

    Are you somehow better than them, if god always (ALWAYS, your bold!) answers your preyers, but not their?

    Why don’t you keep giving courses about how to pray to poor children dying of hunger?

  6. on 12 Apr 2010 at 1:47 pm 6.Xenon said …

    “personally knew several extremely religious people who prayed for themselves or for thir beloved, but thy all died.”

    I personally know of 5 who prayed for premature infants, heart defects to Cancer and they all survived. We are not meant to live forever and eventually we all die. The Bible is clear.

    I just got back from feeding hungry families and refugees so God answered prayer there as well. Sev, what are you doing?

  7. on 12 Apr 2010 at 5:31 pm 7.A real-ist said …

    Xenon,
    You ever hear of coincidence? Was a God actually needed for some nice people to go help other people in need? God didn’t create good morals, in fact, it is good morals what created the idea of a God.

    The Voice,
    The idea of a God is in all cultures because we are a thinking type of species and we ponder where we came from and what happens when we die. We want to think there is something more than there really is. We fear death because it is the end of our own personal existence. We are born from our parents which created us from them doing the you know what, and at a very young age we think our parents are like a God because they control our every move and that then translates later on once we realize they aren’t a God, just normal human beings, so it transfers into thinking there is another being watching over us that created us. So it is easy to come up with the idea of a God when you take all this in. These things are common in all cultures.

  8. on 12 Apr 2010 at 7:51 pm 8.duperdog said …

    Spirituality is the search for answers to questions like: is there a god? what happens when we die? how does god interact with me? This curiosity is nearly universal and I wonder about those things myself. Religion is when someone raises their hand and says “I have the answers”. Millions of people, including some of the greatest minds that the world has seen, have spent their entire lives devoted to finding those answers and yet we still have a widely diverse set of answers. There are lots of supposedly “holy” writings that many claim as a message from god but shouldn’t a divinely inspired writer of today be able to produce a book that matches what the divinely inspired scribe produced 2000 years ago? I gave up listening for god years ago although I suspect he could still get my attention if he wanted to. If want to see a sign from god bad enough, you will get one, hence Jesus on the Taco Bell wall or other signs from god. Don’t look too hard.

  9. on 12 Apr 2010 at 8:05 pm 9.Severin said …

    6 xenon

    Someone here stated that his preyers were ALWAYS ANSWERED!

    Patronize him, not me!

  10. on 12 Apr 2010 at 10:19 pm 10.The voice said …

    Real-ist
    i never felt like my parents were gods. They guided and watched over me but nothing like how a god could. And if this idea of gods simply comes from everyones lives being So similar why are we all not the same. having all the same ideas. there are a few gaps here.

    but lets say this is true. How do you explain all the healings that have come through witch craft and churches and misionaries. People are not stupid if this stuff was complete bogus don’t you think it would have died out. why is it still so huge?

  11. on 12 Apr 2010 at 10:36 pm 11.A real-ist said …

    “How do you explain all the healings that have come through witch craft and churches and misionaries.”

    They are just coincidences. Does everyone get healed through those things? They don’t. So let’s just put a number out there. Say half of them get healed and the other half don’t. The half that got healed just got lucky that they healed naturally or through medicine. The other half didn’t get so lucky. Now if 100% of everyone gets healed, that that would be considered a miracle. But it doesn’t work that way, so your examples are just coincidences based on something that a God wouldn’t control.

  12. on 12 Apr 2010 at 11:12 pm 12.MrQ said …

    @#8 Duperdog.
    Right you are.
    As humans we all have an innate sense of curiosity and want to figure out how things work. When we tried to make sense of the world 2000+ years ago, almost everything was mysterious, magical, and unexplainable; Rainbows were a gift from god, famines were signs of god’s anger, diseases were largely untreatable. Lacking today’s technology, the ancients filled the enormous gaps of human knowledge with fairy tales and myths -The stories of which are commonly found (and believed) in the holy books of today. We saw god(s) everywhere in those days. We were easy to fool for lack of knowledge.

    Today, our innate sense of curiosity has led us to the the wonderful world of wifi/high speed internet that allows us to exchange ideas. Disease’s of the past are treatable, a grade schooler knows about light refraction, and weather cycles. Yet we cling to the idea that god was interactive then and invisible now. Give your heads a shake.

  13. on 13 Apr 2010 at 5:19 am 13.LETAN said …

    “So you have “seen” him, huh? What does he look like? What does he say to you? Or is that your imaginary mind just talking back to you? It’s kind of funny how individuals can talk to him, but he never talks to two people at the same time that are together.”

    God can’t be seen, He is too holy and you will die, God speaks through our emotions, me and my friend has prayed for an hour and we now share one mind and are really close, try it.

  14. on 13 Apr 2010 at 5:42 am 14.Severin said …

    6 Xenon
    “I just got back from feeding hungry families and refugees so God answered prayer there as well. Sev, what are you doing?”

    God would do better if he answered their preyers BEFORE they become refugees and hungry! I do not doubt they did prey before they got to desperate situation, yet, they now depend on your mercy (not criticizing your help!).

    I am retired (67), but still working my job on “free market”. And my job is to formulate paints (not shades, but to formulate paints (better to say: coatings) to adhere to different substrates, to fit different conditions of exploatation – flexibility, hardeness, resistance to different mechanical stresses and chemicals and/or weathering, different requirements for look – shade, gloss, surface structure, different application methods…and to be profitable…).
    What is your job?

  15. on 13 Apr 2010 at 5:45 am 15.Severin said …

    6 Xenon
    “I personally know of 5 who prayed for premature infants, heart defects to Cancer and they all survived. We are not meant to live forever and eventually we all die.”
    So you have just proved coincidence! What has Bible to do with it, I can not understand.

  16. on 13 Apr 2010 at 1:29 pm 16.Xenon said …

    “What is your job?”

    I am a full-time father, husband not to mention employed full-time. You find time to do what you want to do. Caring for the poor has been provided for by the Lord. He told us to do it and he has given us the resources to do so. I do what I can. That is the thing with atheist and others. They complain a lot about what God has NOT done while skirting their own responsibility to do so.

    Give up some profits, comfort and some vacations and love you fellow man and you will see prayer being answered.

  17. on 13 Apr 2010 at 8:25 pm 17.Severin said …

    16 Xenon
    I used to be full time father and husband and employed, and I did a lot of good things to people during the war that happened here some 17-18 years ago.
    I can proudly say that during VERY difficult times I did things to people which no one would do to help them, because it was VERY dangerous, in some cases even lethal (war!). And it DID cost me (lost of job in most difficult times), but I never complained.

    I am still doing things to people, such as free teaching math and chemistry, helping some poor friends of mine (carefully, not to offend them), etc.

    Nobody told me what to do! I did not need any god to teach me or to lead me. I just FELT necessary to help helpless people, and I did it spontaniously, not only once!
    Many people I knew, publically presenting themselves to be “deeply religious”, never did good deeds of any kind to other people.

    I am not rich, I am not doing business (I only still WORK, that is not the same!), so I have no profits to share.

  18. on 13 Apr 2010 at 8:46 pm 18.Severin said …

    Xenon
    To illustrate similarity between religion and communism, I can tell you that really MANY people I personally knew, were BIG (and active!) communists during the period of communism in my country (I was never neither small nor big, and certainly not the active one).

    When regime changed, almost all of them suddenly became BIG christians! They suddenly started to strut around exposing their christianity by all available means: wearing crosses, going to church, talking about thier “deep faith”, buying religious books, giving money to church, etc, etc. Some communists! Some believers!
    Of course, almost all priests run away from occupied areas, leaving ordinary people alone, without any help, includin “spiritual” help, during the war. VERY little exceptions, and I, of course, deeply respect them.

  19. on 13 Apr 2010 at 8:58 pm 19.Xenon said …

    Severin

    To put this as politely as possible, you are full of it. I have been to Moscow and Vladimir many times, this phenomena was NOT taking place. Sure there are numerous Christians who no longer need to hide underground as is to be expected.

    Let me share another little tidbit with you. There are many more similarities between communism and atheism. The “No religion” clause being the largest. Just because the state holds up a man as a hero and forces the people to acknowledge him as so doesn’t make it a religion. Killing anyone caught practicing a religion would seem to be the path to forced atheism.

    You are difficult to follow. Use a text editor of some sort to help your coherency.

  20. on 13 Apr 2010 at 9:04 pm 20.Xenon said …

    “Many people I knew, publically presenting themselves to be “deeply religious”, never did good deeds of any kind to other people.”

    Severin I can make that argument for EVERY group of people. The problem is when you attempt to portray all religious people as delusional, selfish and simpletons you disqualify yourself from being taken seriously.

    To imply I or any other Christian only do “Good Thing” because of God is also irresponsible. Anyone can do “Good Things” that is not the reason Jesus came for mankind. Hitler in his lifetime did a few good things. That is not the point. We all have our evil side no matter how much “Good” you might produce.

  21. on 14 Apr 2010 at 12:56 am 21.A real-ist said …

    Xenon,

    “Caring for the poor has been provided for by the Lord. He told us to do it and he has given us the resources to do so.”

    Someone doing a good dead doesn’t mean that a God was involved. Anybody can do good deads. It is us as man who use resources that we have around us, not a God that has given them to us. You are too narrowminded when it comes to thinking a God must be involved. The idea of a God was made up because of good morals and positive things, not the other way around.

  22. on 16 Apr 2010 at 3:42 am 22.The voice said …

    ok doesn’t closed minded mean you are closing things out. believing in God is letting Him in an looking to something out side yourself. I would say only looking to yourself and what is in front of you is closed minded.

    There is all this talk of coincidence. what is this, do you believe in things being caused at all?

    ok lets say you have a head ache and you take a Tylenol. Half and hr later you feel better. maybe it was the drugs or maybe it just went away on it’s own i mean its been half an hour.

    Then lets say instead of taking a Tylenol someone prays for you and it is instantly gone. there is no time for it to go away on its own. it did not just fade away slowly but was instantly gone. this has happened to me and many i know when we pray for each other. there is not time for “coincidence” headaches fade away they do not just leave instantly not even with the best drugs. This was something greater involving someone greater, God.

  23. on 16 Apr 2010 at 4:19 am 23.A real-ist said …

    “Then lets say instead of taking a Tylenol someone prays for you and it is instantly gone. there is no time for it to go away on its own. it did not just fade away slowly but was instantly gone. this has happened to me and many i know when we pray for each other.”

    I have two letters for you. B.S. I have never heard of anyone where that happens. My family are true believers and pray all the time and that does not happen. In fact, I used to be a believer, so I have experiences in both sides of the coin, so I can tell you from personal experiences that what you said is a bunch of B.S. Maybe you should start praying for the screws loose in your head.

  24. on 18 Apr 2010 at 3:28 am 24.The voice said …

    well i can tell you that it does work and has many times for me. I will not tell you that every time i pray it happens but it has 85% of the time and that is too much to be coincidence. Pray is a powerful tool and can do a lot more than people know. but like all tools you have to learn how to use it and take the time to learn.

    Even when He does not heal me or who ever I’m praying for i know He still Loves me. That never changes. No matter what you do He loves you. That is real.

  25. on 18 Apr 2010 at 6:32 am 25.Severin said …

    24 The voice
    “…but it has 85% of the time…… Even when He does not heal me or who ever I’m praying for i know He still Loves me.“

    So you are so special in eyes of god, that he grants 85% of your preyers (whatever you pray for, say: to have a good weather when going to picnic, or to keep your car in good condition, or….to do a god business step doing uour job…or, for your child, to get good mark in the school…).
    At the same time, he DOES NOT grant preyers of millions of hungry people, including innocent children (which die every secon, just now a few of them are dying from hunger, and ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for their misery themselves), sick people, people expelled out from their homes…
    So he does love you and he obviously hates most of other people who need his help probably much more than you do.

    How can you be so arrogant? Don’t you see something VERY wrong in your „calculation“?

  26. on 19 Apr 2010 at 2:41 am 26.The voice said …

    well i meant that when i pray for people to be healed they are healed 85% of the time. like my friend who hurt there knee today. Me and my other friends prayer for him and after we prayed the 5th time he was completely pain free. I do not think i am better or more loved by God than anyone else. I am simply aware of the fact that He love me and I hope you can understand His love for you too.

    The whole starving people in other countries topic.
    God made us with free will and the ability to do what we want. So He is not just going to start changing your life with out you asking. Those people often do not know about God. they worship idols and rain gods among many others. They never once pray to the real God of heaven for His help giving Him permission to intervene in their situation. He has given us the power to choose His help or ignore it. you make your own choices and those effect your life and the life or others. Like how the government of many countries do not help their people. God wants nothing more but to help those people but He needs a go ahead. He does not force His will on us. that is why you can choose not to believe and i can choose to.

  27. on 19 Apr 2010 at 9:34 am 27.Severin said …

    26 The voice
    “well i meant that when i pray for people to be healed they are healed 85% of the time.”
    Do you pray for hungry children?
    If you do, why then all of them are still hungry and dying. If god grants 85% of your prayers, many children would be saved if you prayed for them. If the percentage of granted prayers of yours would be only 5%, it would be big succes, and many children would be saved, because it is now about 0% – children just continue to die!

    “Me and my other friends prayer for him and after we prayed the 5th time he was completely pain free.”
    I had many injuries during my life, and all of them healed without praying. To heal some of them I had to visit medical institutions, but I never prayed.
    On the other hand, I know people (and of course you do too) whose injuries or desases did not heal no matter how frequently and how sincerely they prayed, or someone prayed for them (to the „right god“, christian one, of course).
    Pure coincidence, depending NOT on god’s will, but on nature and degree of injury/desease, state of organism of injured/sick person (his/her immunity status), hygienic conditions, treatment, and many other factors.

    “Those people often do not know about god… They never once pray to the real God of heaven….“
    How do you (and god) expect babies unable to speak (because they are too young) to recognize ANY GOD, and especially the „real” one, and to pray to him? Completely innocent, unconscious babies are dying of hunger!
    What a god is it if he does not recognize that dying children never had oportunity to learn about him? So he is punishing them for their innocence!
    Either god is a monster, or he does not exist. I bet on the 2nd possibility.

    What god is real? Why would your god be “more real“ than muslim god?
    How do you recognize which one is real? Exactly the same way muslims recognize their to be the „real“ one: by following „holly books“, such as Kurr’an or Bible.
    WHY would Bible be more reliable than Kurr’an, or than myths about Ra carved into Egyptian stones?

  28. on 19 Apr 2010 at 5:46 pm 28.The voice said …

    what are you talking about i do not follow my God because of the Bible. I follow Him because of the relationship i have with Him. All other religions are about following rules, doing ” a, B, and C” so you do not go to hell or just trying to apease there all powerful beings who do not seem to care about them but just want to be served. The God i know and love is not like that. He wants what is best for me, created me with a purpose, and is loving.

    When it comes to starving babies I know that He cares that is why he tells thousands of people from all over the world to go there and feed them. That is why the opp-oration world vision started. where you sponsor starving people from around the world. HE does care you are just looking at is not being done instead of what is being done. the reason some are still impoverished is because not enough people care to help and not enough people care to liston to God’s plan. He made each of us and knows why he made us and what we are capable of. When people ignore God the are not just messing there own life up but are closing the door to the people God intended to help through them. It is not that God is not powerful enough to do everything Himself it is that He gave us the ability to choose and never takes back gifts. So God works on this earth through people who choose to follow him. I do think and pray for all the starving and impoverished people around the world and I’m sure through my prayer many have been saved. But like i said before God works through us and that is why we go on missions trips to help those people and raise money for Haitian people, and support a child in Africa. I am doing my part to help, and am asking God to bless me more so i can help more people.

    He cares he just needs people to care as well so he can work through them and get somethings fixed.

    Some times things do not happen how we thought they should have. God is omniscient meaning all knowing. He understands things far more difficult for anyone to understand. If God was simple enough for you and i to understand completely i think we would be in a lot of trouble. don’t you agree?

  29. on 19 Apr 2010 at 11:44 pm 29.A real-ist said …

    The Voice,
    Where do you get the idea that a God has to be involved in order for people to help other people out? Have you ever thought that the imaginary friends that you believers have is actually just you talking to yourself and telling yourself to do these nice things? Non-believers do nice things as well and they didn’t have God telling them to do so. I wish you people would get out of la-la land.

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