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Christianity Thomas on 09 Feb 2010 12:00 am

Why doesn’t Anne Hathaway take it just one step further?

Anne Hathaway Left Catholicism Because it’s Anti-Gay

The whole family converted to Episcopalianism after my elder brother came out. Why should I support an organisation that has a limited view of my beloved brother?

All she has to do is read the Bible and she would be a rational person.

Catholicism’s hatred of gays comes straight out of the Bible. All Christian religions are derived from the Bible. Simply by reading the Bible, she will realize that the “god” of Christianity hates her beloved brother. As soon as she realizes the idiocy of a “god of love” who hates, she would be able to abandon Episcopalianism and become rational.

This is true of all Christians. If they would simply read the Bible and understand its utter stupidity, they would become rational. The following video explains the situation:

34 Responses to “Why doesn’t Anne Hathaway take it just one step further?”

  1. on 09 Feb 2010 at 8:37 pm 1.Scott said …

    I left atheism because it is anti-God.

  2. on 10 Feb 2010 at 7:45 pm 2.Mareike said …

    … but blasphemy is a victimless crime ;)
    and yes, every christian who calls himselfs “christian” should read the Bible …

  3. on 11 Feb 2010 at 2:46 am 3.Burebista said …

    Nice to look at but not worth listening to seriously. We had a King in England who forced a religion to accept his sin. Ann is just another narcissist.

  4. on 15 Feb 2010 at 4:22 pm 4.Glen said …

    This is crazy you talk about hypocrites. you take little pieces of the bible and twist the words around and think you have a loop hole. try reading the bible from cover to cover and tell me that you still dont believe in God.

  5. on 15 Feb 2010 at 4:28 pm 5.Glen said …

    everyone should read the bible even people who calls himself atheist. Just because a scientist told you the world is older than the bible is do you believe him? My doctor told me that I have 2 days to live so does that mean I have to believe him and lay on my death bed.

  6. on 15 Feb 2010 at 8:52 pm 6.Severin said …

    “…try reading the bible from cover to cover and tell me that you still dont believe in God.”

    I did. If I believed in god, I would instantly stopped believing after reading all those cruel, illogical, inconsistant bullshits.

    What specific verses do you recommend for “healing” of somebody’s belief? I could not find any.

  7. on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:47 pm 7.Curmudgeon said …

    Humility, awareness and stop listening to fairy tales of something come from nothing. Something coming from nothing is impossible outside of an all powerful being. Read some Aquinas.

  8. on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:57 pm 8.Curmudgeon said …

    I don’t need a priest or a scientist to figure out there is an all powerful deity that designed everything we observe. All I need to do is open my eyes and examine a cell, study a DNA stand or observe the workings of the eye. People just don’t look and think for themselves anymore. They would rather let Richard Dawkins or some other bitter elitist tell them what to think and believe. Possibly even this website! Use your head people and wake up. Science points to a designer more than ever. Leave you bigotry, your pride and you anointed wise men behind and do a little self-examination. There is no real question here other than discovering more of the incredible designs left by the designer.

  9. on 16 Feb 2010 at 3:44 pm 9.Severin said …

    5 Glen
    “Just because a scientist told you the world is older than the bible is do you believe him?”

    Just because something is written in the Bible, would you believe it?
    Why?

    I do not blindly believe scientists, I believe proofs they give for their achievments.
    If you do not believe scientists, you better do not enter hospitals when sick. Just pray and wait to be healed.

  10. on 16 Feb 2010 at 3:53 pm 10.Severin said …

    8 Curmugdeon
    “They would rather let Richard Dawkins or some other bitter elitist tell them what to think and believe.”

    I rather trust “bitter elitsts” who offer some arguments for their claims, than “bloody elitists” who offer only threatenings, some of them also actual killings in name of religion.
    To explain “bloody”, pls. see history of christianity, see also present situation for countries under rule of muslim religions.

  11. on 16 Feb 2010 at 4:46 pm 11.Curmudgeon said …

    I have never killed anyone. I am not christian or muslim. As for killing, atheist have no moral high ground.

    Do you have another argument or just those same old tired irrelevant stereotypes derived form the school of Dawkins?

  12. on 16 Feb 2010 at 7:41 pm 12.Hoxha said …

    Between 5,000 and 10,000 were killed in the Spanish Inquisition. That’s compared with 100 million who were killed in the atheist purges of the twentieth century. The 100 million is actually a low figure, since it uses very modest estimates for how many people Stalin and Mao killed, and it leaves out a host of lesser atheist tyrants such as Pol Pot and Enver Hoxha. Even so, using this conservative estimate, a quick calculation reveals that atheist regimes killed ten thousand times more people in the space of a few decades than the Spanish Inquisition managed to kill over a period of more than two centuries.

    If Christian regimes are held responsible for their crimes committed in the name of Christianity, then atheist regimes should be held accountable for their crimes committed in the name of atheism. And who can deny that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic? Who can dispute that they did their bloody deeds by claiming to be establishing a “new man” and a religion-free utopia? These were mass murders performed with atheism as a central part of their ideological inspiration, they were not mass murders done by people who simply happened to be atheist.

  13. on 17 Feb 2010 at 4:40 pm 13.Observer said …

    Hitler was a Christian, unless we no longer consider (the folks who mixed paganism with Judaism to create the foundation of all forms, even the snake-handling piss-yourself evangelical cracker variants, of Christianity) Catholics to be Christian. The 5,000-10,000 number for Inquisition murders seems low, and how would it be known? Records from the boy-raping-pedophile-refuge Church? Christians are responsible for the Crusades too. What about WWI? Every other European war? The pogroms? All the crazy nonsense with murdering so-called witches? What about Africa? Rwanda was a Christian nation.

    In as much as Communist thought gives a toss about religion, it is a side-note as it fails under the analysis of dialectical materialism. Where communism and religion overlapped with violent results, it was because “The Church” was always aligned with the oppressive regimes, or establishment.

    The notion of equating communism with atheism is stupid. Equating Stalin with communism is idiotic. Remember Trotsky? The same can be said of Mao and Pol Pot. Incidentally, the folks murdered by Mao and Pol Pot were virtually all Buddhist.

    As for atheism, it is universally agreed that India was richest and most peaceful when it was ruled by Buddhist rulers. Buddhism, incidentally, is atheistic.

    The writer Hoxha above notes that Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot committed atrocities in the name of communism. There is no logic in saying communism was the cause. Folks have done all sorts of crazy violent and destructive things in the name of “God” for centuries.

    Bottom line: Correlation is not cause.

  14. on 17 Feb 2010 at 5:38 pm 14.TNT said …

    Hoxha look no further than Sam Harris and Charlie Brooker as noted atheist today who have admitted their own desire to see others jailed or even worse who – as they view it -maintain unacceptable beliefs. It is a good thing they have no authentic clout other than making sure crosses don’t appear on the side of interstates.

    It is a bit sardonic to see an atheist make a claim toward Buddhism. Most dart from the comparison like a member of Obama’s cabinet from the tax-man. Ironically, it too is a religion.

    Comparing communism and atheism is stupid. One is a political system the other a variant of religion. But isn’t quite the coincidence that communist regimes always require an atheistic belief system and atrocities against those who would deviate?

  15. on 18 Feb 2010 at 8:50 am 15.Severin said …

    Curmudgeon 11
    “I have never killed anyone.”

    No one said you did. But you obviously defend “teachings” which caused so many deaths and torturings during thousands of years, in name of different gods. Atheist are not against christianity only, but agianst all religions, as all of them are exactly the same in their keeping people in ignorance and obediance and in supressing free thinking and sciences.

    Why would so much evil caused by religions be irrelevant? Why would ONE SINGLE violent death be irrelevant?
    Would you call irrelevant death of your close relatives if somebody killed them in name of god/religion? It happens today, and NOT only by muslims! See murders done by christian “fighters” against abortion. Killed people were somebody’s children, mothers, fathers, brothers,…
    You can only deny them, but have no right to call them “irrelevant”.
    However, denying would not work, see Observer 13, see history, etc

  16. on 18 Feb 2010 at 9:26 am 16.Severin said …

    12 Hoxha
    “…then atheist regimes should be held accountable for their crimes committed in the name of atheism.“
    „These were mass murders performed with atheism as a central part of their ideological inspiration…“

    You carefully avoided to mention Hitler, who said:
    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter…. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…“
    (-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922.).

    There simply is no such thing as „atheist regimes“.
    Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc, DID NOT DECLARE their masacres as to be „in name of atheism“, but in name of their lunatic POLITICAL fantasies.
    And who ever said there is no lunatic atheists (IF they were atheists!)?
    You can call them „lunatic regimes“, which they were, and no normal human being, including most atheists, ever agreed with them or justified them.
    Was the regime of Papa Doc also atheist regime? Was Pinoche’s regime atheist regime too? Regimes of many South American countries which took so many lives were atheist regimes?
    Finally (and why not?) were many muslim regimes which caused so many deaths, also „atheist regimes“?

    Or shall we talk numbers as „arguments“, and say „what are several tens of thousands of Pinoche’s victimes compared to Stalin’s victimes?

    Contrary to „atheist regimes“, which did their killings in name of POLITICS, all religions, during the whole history of human race killed IN NAME OF THEIR GODS, and DECLARED so!

    A VERY big difference.
    Please do not play numbers. I was born and used to live in a country where religious masacres (DECLARED as religious!) happened during the WWII and also later (end of 20th century). One side stated 1,700,000 of their people were brutally killed (in the WWII), and the oposite side stated there were „only“ 200,000 of people killed because they were adherents of „wrong“ religion.
    Sad!
    (Both sides were christians!).

  17. on 18 Feb 2010 at 12:32 pm 17.curmudgeon said …

    “you obviously defend “teachings” which caused so many deaths and torturings during thousands of years, in name of different gods.”

    I did? Maybe you could enlighten me and tell me which teachings those would be?

  18. on 18 Feb 2010 at 2:33 pm 18.Hoxha said …

    Here is where I find atheist only gather bits a data from atheist websites and do no actual study.

    Many, even on the site, repudiate their religious upbringing. Hitler vehemently rejected the traditional Christianity in which he was raised.(You conveniently ignored those quotes dring you search) During the period of his ascent to power, he needed the support of the German people mostly Christian, mostly Lutheran and he occasionally used rhetoric such as “I am doing the Lord’s work” to try and secure this. This rhetoric, it should be noted, is a commonplace rhetorical device among atheist writers. Nietzsche, for instance, regularly compared himself to Jesus, even titling one of his books Ecce Homo (“behold the man,” a biblical reference to Christ).

    But no intelligent reader of Nietzsche can doubt that he was a rabid atheist, as was Hitler. One should not confuse political opportunism with personal conviction. Not surprisingly, Hitler invoked Christ’s death at the hands of the Jews in order to solicit Christian support for his (secular and racial, not religious) anti-Semitic agenda.

    When you murder others due to their unwillingness to renounce their religion, that is killing in the name of atheism. Welcome home Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin and Mao into the family.

  19. on 18 Feb 2010 at 8:37 pm 19.Severin said …

    18 Hoxha
    “„During the period of his ascent to power, he (Hitler) needed the support of the German people mostly Christian, mostly Lutheran and he occasionally used rhetoric such as “I am doing the Lord’s work” to try and secure this.“

    So you claim christians liked to hear Hitler will do “Lord’s work”?!
    You have just claimed that Hitler was an oportunist who told CHRISTIANS what CHRISTIANS liked to hear, to make himself easer to accomplish his crimes!?
    A lunatic “atheist” flirts CHRISTIANS (NOT atheists!) to make accomplishments of his criminal plans easier!

    Thank you for your support. No need to say more!
    It pictures christianity enough!

    Most atheists would NEVER like to hear such ugly things which openly announced exterminating of people, and would never support it. If 100% atheists witnessed this speach, Hitler would be some 85 – 90% hissed, probably even closer to 100%.

    Hitler also „flirted“ with Vatican for the same reason.
    No church ever blamed Hitler for his enormeous crimes, and his book „Mein Kampf“ was never put on the „List of Prohibited Books“ (as many books of famous and recognozed scientists did).

  20. on 18 Feb 2010 at 8:41 pm 20.Severin said …

    “(by present atheists)… Hitler would be some 85 – 90% hissed, probably even closer to 100%.”

    From present christians he got 100% ovations!

  21. on 18 Feb 2010 at 8:56 pm 21.Severin said …

    Curmudgeon 8,17
    “There is no real question here other than discovering more of the incredible designs left by the designer.”

    I am an atheist, and I do not hide it. of course I do not believe anything/anyone created universe.

    Who was the “designer” you direct us to, according to your claim above?

  22. on 18 Feb 2010 at 9:13 pm 22.curmudgeon said …

    “Who was the “designer” you direct us to, according to your claim above?”

    Who? What? I don’t know. I don’t need to know who in order to see the evidence of the existence of one. So again what religious teaching am I holding to? Is it possible you are as clueless as your portray yourself or is this just playing coy?

  23. on 18 Feb 2010 at 10:21 pm 23.Hoxha said …

    My apologies Severin. I assumed your understanding of history was much greater than it seems to actually be…..Hitler when he was in the process of coming to power was not the murdering tyrant we know him to be today. You see, in order to gain trust and confidence of the people he presented his image in a more acceptable, even delightful light. He became quite popular and he had the trust of a great majority of the people. He didn’t need the trust of atheist since they were pretty much irrelevant. I hope this explanation is in simple enough terms.

  24. on 19 Feb 2010 at 3:04 am 24.Severin said …

    23 Hoxha
    Hitler took power in January 1933.
    Before that, christian Germans had many oportunities to clearly hear and understand many of his speeches full of hate and saber rattling.
    From his first recorded speech in 1921. (maybe even before) German christians (not atheists, as you said) had 12 years to recognize him as a monster (as he openly showed himself as a monster from the very beginning, see the cited part of his speech in “16 Severin” – was THAT not enough?) and to opose him, but they elected him for a prime minister instead!

    In my language there is a popular proverb, something like “where to find a tear but in an eye” and I leave you to find who was a “tear” and who was an “eye” in this story.

    I of course do not blame the whole German nation for Hitler’s crimes. I blame religion, and what a religion is able to do to a whole population. To mislead it!

  25. on 19 Feb 2010 at 3:26 am 25.Severin said …

    22.curmudgeon
    “Who? What? I don’t know.”

    Let me tell you then: universe was created either by a Spaghetti Monster living on Jupiter, or by a Yellow Kettle orbiting a planet S23-19 in Andromeda Galaxy. There are stll polemics about who of them was a creator, but one of them was for sure, no doubt.

    Why are you taking part here if you do not know such elementary facts?

  26. on 19 Feb 2010 at 4:07 am 26.Hoxha said …

    “I blame religion,”

    As do I, the religion of bigotry and intolerance as you clearly show yourself to be. You clearly have issues as you are unable to carry on any conversation without religion. Seek real help.

    Categorizing millions upon millions of people as fools and murderers is the height of ignorance and elitism from an individual who clearly has no claim to elitism.

    Exactly what Hitler represents you represent with your own hateful speech. We have our own little saying. “There is none so blind as those who refuse to see”. I’ll let you decide if you are blind or refuse to see.

    At least you googled a little information on Hitler. You are still without any understanding other than a quote out of context but it is a start. Learn to carry on a dialogue without resorting to “I hate Christians.” We got it. Its old and tired and obviously your means for covering up some physical short-comings.

  27. on 19 Feb 2010 at 11:36 am 27.curmudgeon said …

    Well Sev you definitely are not coy. I have disclosed I’m not part of your religion. So again can you defend you statement below?

    “you obviously defend “teachings” which caused so many deaths and torturings during thousands of years, in name of different gods.”

  28. on 19 Feb 2010 at 4:44 pm 28.Severin said …

    „You clearly have issues as you are unable to carry on any conversation without religion.“
    Are we talking peanuts or fashion in this Blog? How to talk without mentioning religion in an atheist blog?

    Uh, it was a low and mean punch, but expectable, typical and – sad!
    It is, unfortunately, typical for believers to start to „preach“ and offend when short in arguments, it was seen on this Blog many times.

    I would never say (and, of course I did not!) that „millions upon millions“ are fools and murderers! It was not nice from you to lie to make yourself „right“.
    You can see the I called them „mislead“, as I do call you.
    Should I say for „millions upon millions“ of people who did not know the sun was the center of our planet system hundreds of years after Kopernicus discovered and declared it, that they are „fools and murderers“?
    Of course not! They were mislead by religion, which suppressed knowledge by bloody means all those centuries. They were not fools, but miserable, not by their own guilt.
    Where did you find hate in my „speech“? I reallly do not hate anyone.

    I am not responisble you can not carry the fact that Hitler DID win elections, after he declared himself as racist and sick/lunatic son-of-a-bitch for a decade before elections, and was elected from a christian nation. IT IS THE FACT you can not deny, it is just SO.
    And when YOU can not carry facts, you start to attack and offend, but I do not care.

    I „googled“ information about Hitler first some 50 years ago from many books and filmed documents, because my mother was in resistance against Hitler’s ocupation in my country, during the WWII, and i was personally interested in roots of this evil (and I still am).
    So, if “There is none so blind as those who refuse to see”, please take a mirror and look what will you find there.
    And, please heal your own hate! If no arguments, and too proud to admit it, stop debating instead of spreading lies and hate.

  29. on 19 Feb 2010 at 4:56 pm 29.Severin said …

    “I hate Christians.”

    THAT was really ugly from your side, to put such words in my mouth! How can you go as low as THAT?
    Buy a mirror!

  30. on 19 Feb 2010 at 5:11 pm 30.Severin said …

    26 Hoxha
    “Its old and tired and obviously your means for covering up some physical short-comings.”

    This is the way religious people talk when short in arguments!
    Long live christian love and tollerance!
    Atheists are much kinder and more honest, not using personal offends and lies to “win”.

    Your mirror will not show you short-commings inside of your head, you have to visit a shrink.

    Why such a hate, where it comes from?
    What religion is able to do to a human is unbelievable!

  31. on 20 Feb 2010 at 12:01 am 31.curmudgeon said …

    So Sev, other than just more ramblings, for the fourth time could you enlighten me of which religion I am defending as you claim below.

    “defend “teachings” which caused so many deaths and torturings during thousands of years, in name of different gods.”

    I will take another non-answer as submission on your part.

  32. on 20 Feb 2010 at 8:58 am 32.Severin said …

    31 curmudgeon
    “So Sev, other than just more ramblings, for the fourth time could you enlighten me of which religion I am defending as you claim below.”

    If I wrongly concluded taht you are an adherent to a religion, I apologize.
    However, you seem to be a creationist, and even if you do not practice any religion (pray, go to church), it seems to me that creationism is a religion itself (please notice “it seems to me”, not “I claim”), because it oposits relevant and proven scientific achievments.
    And I find all religions dangerous, no exception.

  33. on 01 Mar 2010 at 3:39 am 33.Alyssa said …

    I don’t think you understand the concept of grace and forgiveness. Perhaps you should read further into the New Testament.

    God bless you.

  34. on 18 Aug 2013 at 2:22 am 34.Clint said …

    Faith is what’s left over when we stop looking for the truth. Science is what we discover after we find it.

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