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Christianity Thomas on 05 Feb 2010 12:02 am

The Republican Party and Religion

There is an excellent thread in the forums on a recent poll of Republicans:

Poll Suggests Republicans are Becoming a Fundie Religious Movement

QUESTION: Should public school students be taught that the book of Genesis in the Bible explains how God created the world? YES 77%; NO 15%; NOT SURE 8%.

QUESTION: Do you believe that the only way for an individual to go to heaven is though Jesus Christ, or can one make it to heaven through another faith? CHRIST 67%; OTHER 15%; NOT SURE 18%.

Now imagine that these theocrats win the Presidential election. What happens next?

34 Responses to “The Republican Party and Religion”

  1. on 05 Feb 2010 at 1:38 pm 1.Lou said …

    Now imagine that these theocrats win the Presidential election. What happens next?

    Economic prosperity, lower taxes, a choice on our own healthcare and a lower deficit?

    The poll was conducted by the Dily Kos, the biggest hate group on the web. Results are moot and conclusions are moot. I suppose that is why Thomas did not mention the point. We have a christian in power now therefore religion is not the issue. The issue is ineptness. Homer Simpson could not do worse.

  2. on 05 Feb 2010 at 7:21 pm 2.Severin said …

    “Economic prosperity, lower taxes, a choice on our own healthcare and a lower deficit?”

    You put the wrong mark on the end of your sentence. There should be an “!” instead a “?”

    We in Europe have some 1500 years longer experiance with christianity having all power in their hands, than you in America.
    Shall I describe the consequences? Or better you read history yourself.

  3. on 05 Feb 2010 at 8:15 pm 3.Bishop said …

    Considering the vast majority of our POTUS have been Christians or at a minimum theist I would say great things. I mean, do we REALLY want to end up like the EU? When someone is in need we always lead the way. Hati is a great example. We have out given the world 3 to 1 even with BHO as POTUS. Just one example of probably hundreds.

    The Daily Kos doing a poll on Republicans is like OBL doing a poll on the eradication of Jews. The Christians I know were fed up with the GOP, until the got a taste of OBoy!

  4. on 05 Feb 2010 at 10:40 pm 4.Asmoday said …

    Quote: “Considering the vast majority of our POTUS have been Christians or at a minimum theist I would say great things.”

    Well, anyone, who has actually read the bible, knows, that the achievements brought by christian/theist presidents came to be despite them being christians and not because they were christians.

    And if you look at international rankings, I’d say you should want to wish for ending like the EU given that most of our states come in much better than the USA when we look at international rankings about democracy, freedom of press, lack of corruption, effectiveness of education, scientific literacy, quality of healthcare and infant survival rate (just to name a few).

  5. on 06 Feb 2010 at 12:27 am 5.Rostam said …

    Asmov

    Considering you didn’t provide ratings your claim is without merit. Second, we are much larger than most of the EU. If we just took care of our own and for the most part ignored the plight of the rest of the world, we could be as inward focused and self-serving as a majority of them. You must be a Euro.

    I read lack of corruption and just lol. You obviously know nothing about the rest of the world. I lived in the UK. Get a clue. Our corruption is quite minor in comparison.

    Healtcare? Please! we are among the best which is why the world comes here. Go to Canada for some medical service. It is pathetic unless you have big money.

    Freedom of press? You must be kidding. Maybe you are referring to Obama’s media but that is by choice. You are done, You guys will lie and distort to prove so ridiculous point.

  6. on 06 Feb 2010 at 2:31 am 6.Hapson said …

    > Economic prosperity

    Like the prosperity Bush left us with!

  7. on 06 Feb 2010 at 5:53 am 7.Asmoday said …

    Rostam, given your post, I must conclude that it is you, who knows nothing about the world.

    Corruption: Your personal experiences mean nothing. International surveys paint a different picture. Have a look at the material of Transparency International.

    Healthcare: Well, the WHO doesn’t share your opinion and places the USA on rank 37. Worse than Costa Rica, but still better than Slovenia.

    Freedom of press: Why am I not surprised that the organisaitions doing surveys (once again) don’t share your view of things. The annual report of Freedomhouse has the USA on rank 26. But hey, still better than Barbados.

  8. on 06 Feb 2010 at 12:51 pm 8.Rostam said …

    Quite the contrary dear boy. Experience means much more than an international survey. So what criteria is this based on? Interviews?, kick-backs? Who audits their surveys?

    Once again you didn’t acknowledge the size of the US nor our non-isolationist policies. Neither do the surveys. lol, what about corruption within the survey groups?

    Since I just got back from San Jose Costa Rica let me just say the WHO survey is absolute bogus! I would get my healthcare here in the US at a bad hospital before even considering an average hospital in San Jose. Much like Cuba there are a couple of good hospitals for the rich while the majority are very poor. Drink the Kool Aid, I hope is serves you well.

    Maybe if you need a liver transplant you can visit Costa Rica. Beautiful country if you don’t mind extreme poverty.

  9. on 06 Feb 2010 at 3:18 pm 9.Asmoday said …

    Ah, your post went down the drain after “oh boy.” Not only that personal attack is the last option of those running out of actual arguments to use, but it does not surprise me one bit, that you do not acknowledge the work of international organizations (and organizations actually financed by the US) if they go against your own views.

    It also does not surprise me, that despite knowing anything at all about how the surveys statistics came to be, you say with absolute certainty what the surveys do not take into account even though you have no idea what they actually do take into account.
    Your arguments became pointless after that.

    Btw. it’s also pointless to constantly go on and on about the US’ non-isolationist status. Not one of the western states and actually almost all countries in the world are non-isolationist in nature.

    Your basic statement boils down to “I have my opinion and facts won’t make me change it.”
    I don’t see you bringing any facts at all to support your arguments besides your personal opinion that your view is of course the right one.

  10. on 06 Feb 2010 at 4:08 pm 10.Bishop said …

    Transparency has the US ranked 19 out of 181 nations for corruption. For a nation our size that is outstanding! Of course that is “PERCEIVED” corruption not actual corruption.

    The WHO ranking system has minimal objectivity in its “ranking” of world health based on its own criteria. It more accurately can be described as a ranking system biased to reward the uniformity of “government” delivered health care, independent of the care actually delivered. Ask the tens of thousands of patients who travel internationally to the US every year for their health care. As an example of the quality of health care delivered in the US, Americans have a higher survival rate than any other country on earth for 13 of 16 of the most common cancers. The WSJ has effectively debunked these rankings as biased and misleading. Some hang on to it in an attempt to justify Obama-Care.

    Freedom of the press is another story. To quote Asmo’s source “Press freedom was robust in the United States during 2008, with extensive coverage of the presidential campaign from a variety of perspectives.” The only negative was the financial difficulties of many of the print media.

    As you can see Asmo doesn’t actually read, he only throws out a number with no actal analysis or thinking.

  11. on 06 Feb 2010 at 5:34 pm 11.Observer said …

    Back to look at the train wrecks…

    There really is something to be said for the observation that Christian belief blunts one’s ability to rationally observe the world we live in. This particular website does an excellent job verifying his.

    All Christians should check out the following website to learn more about themselves, this is your mirror, or what they should believe if they are sincere. Saner folks should take a look at it because it is so exquisitely and hilariously insane.

    http://www.fixedearth.com

    This website is not a joke to its author, the very real and Christian Marshall Hall. Marshall has a wonderful animosity towards anything mathematical, but blubbering love and outspoken fealty to the Bible.

  12. on 06 Feb 2010 at 5:44 pm 12.Bishop said …

    I found it Bishop. Thanks Yes, pavlov does have a way of ringing the bell in his attempt to devalue the US. Get out some Pavlov.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html

    I always shiver when I see Transparency. I’ll never view the word the same again. I noticed our nice score in the Transparency study. By far the largest nation in the top 20 right behind the UK. Very good again. Imagine if corruption were even worse than now!

    The press is not really that free. They are a prisoner of their own biases. Ever view MESS-NBC?

  13. on 06 Feb 2010 at 5:46 pm 13.Rostam said …

    Sorry, that post was Rostam. Typed Bishops name in the wrong place.

  14. on 06 Feb 2010 at 6:20 pm 14.Judas said …

    Wow – it seems that all people have to do is say “Blah blah blah blah Jesus blah blah for your sins blah” and all christians will just tick the box…

  15. on 07 Feb 2010 at 5:35 am 15.Disinfected former viral carrier said …

    Here is part of an email exchange with a “friend” who is still infected with the “God Virus” (FAN-DAMN-TASTIC book!!)
    ==========

    The design theory of the universe as opposed to the “it just happened” are both equally difficult to understand, however by using the sciences our minds have discovered and through the use of the senses we have evolved (sight, hearing type) it shows that the universe is expanding at a measurable rate. Taking it back to the ultimate start, science seems to show that at one point everything in the universe was in the same infinitely small place, and has exploded outward ever since. This concept is difficult to understand, however the sizes of things are equally difficult to imagine. Atoms with electrons that “to scale” are like pluto orbiting the sun as a nucleus. Lots of space in between. Great astronomers and astrophysics thinkers espouse this origin, and I believe them.

    So I do choose the “big bang” theory, because nothing can cross that time-space barrier imposed by the infinitely small “unity” of the beginning, not time, not matter, not anything measurable. As a science follower I would love to have some evidence of a deity, and have not had anything convincing shown yet. Yes the universe is amazing, and its existence for me, as for many others, does not require a deity’s involvement.

    My concern with those who talk of “design” implies that for example humans are “intelligently designed.” If this be so, then the design really sucks. From personal experience I’ve had disc surgery because I walk upright on a skeletal system that was originally ‘designed’ as a suspension bridge between fore and hind legs, to support the intestines, lungs, heart, and so on in the sling of the abdomen. I believe that primitive mammals became present day mammals, and that we share a common ancestor with all life if one goes back far enough. Where did that life come from? I believe life arose from chemical and electrical interactions, starting out with simple single celled creatures, with lots of time to have changes caused by transcription errors, with the use of natural selection picking the offspring that have some advantage over the parent as the ones that eventually get to breed, reproduce, and become the next generation of life. Now that we are walking upright on a column of bones, the design doesn’t seem very intelligent. Prolapses of uteri, rectums, hemorrhoids, inguinal herniae, to mention a few of the sequela of being an evolved quadruped, rather than a de-facto in situ designed creature designed by an all knowing, omnipotent, benevolent god just convince me more in evolution. Our sacral bones are fusing, as we evolve, and likewise our lumbar spines will most likely fuse to accomodate being upright.

    In the book by Sir Richard Dawkins, thinker, atheist, biologist extraordinaire, called “The Blind Watchmaker why evolution reveals a universe without design” he gives a far more eloquent argument for evolution than I hope to even try to quote. I have read it and believe his science and thought. It is a good book in its own right, and helps to convince me of the truth of evolution. (I agree not to try to change your beliefs as you requested, and I have read the bible, the book of mormon, been an altar boy, and am a recovered Episcopalian, so I chuckled at catholic lite.) I believe it is not “just a theory” in the use of theory as an “unproven theorem” and he actually coins the word “theorum” in his latest book which I am just starting to read, ” The greatest Show” He even uses computers and math to demonstrate how evolution works. (it is complex math beyond my skill and it is nevertheless valid) by clicking your mouse on the “applet” each successive “generation” evolves. By 100 generations what started out as a single cell now has shapes. It is interesting at least, not sure if it proves anything. The book talks about much more complex systems, such as eyes, echo-location by bats and dolphins, stereo hearing, electrical sensing by fish etc.

    My views are shaped by my study, and I read Richard Dawkins. I have also read Hitchens’ “God is not great, how religion poisons everything” which a student of religion would also have on his/her reading list for completeness. If you change your mind from study, please do not blame me for being the bearer of news.

    That will be a start for now. Thanks for being open to ask, few people do. Most look down at the atheist due to programming that has been drilled into humans who see someone without god as somehow incomplete. What I am realizing more and more is that I feel very free by the concept. No need to waste time on useless activity like prayers. (A double blind study actually proved prayer to be less than effective!) and no need to have magical thinking about an imaginary friend called god. The present incarnation of the Christian god, Jesus, seems to be a compilation of many of the religious myths that went before, including the “virgin birth” of Zoroastrian’s Zarathrusta, the mid winter birth of other “lights” that coincide with the solstice of paganism, etc.

    Nothing new in the Christian mythology. Very little actual evidence that Jesus even existed in the sense of archeological, let alone finding bones or burial crypts to disprove resurrection. Stories of this man’s life don’t even seem to have been scribed until a long time after his supposed death and resurrection. One would think that witnesses at the time would have carved memorials in stone, let alone papyrus, to commemorate such a miracle, neh?

  16. on 07 Feb 2010 at 4:41 pm 16.Mike said …

    “I always shiver when I see Transparency”

    Transparency is the ability to speak without a teleprompter. He hasn’t mastered the art as of ye since he has no original ideas.

  17. on 07 Feb 2010 at 8:01 pm 17.Boz said …

    “As a science follower I would love to have some evidence of a deity, and have not had anything convincing shown yet.”

    As am I and a a scientist I believe in a deity along with a multitude of other scientist. Don’t post some bad email as some sort of proof there is no God and scientist agree with you. I see your only problem is with religion. I agree immensely. Seek a relationship with Jesus Christ and then you truly will have understanding and not the empty promises of religion.

  18. on 08 Feb 2010 at 8:47 am 18.Severin said …

    Boz
    If you are a scientist, you should know that claims should be supported by one who make them.
    You should also know that negative claims is impossible to prove.
    How will you prove I am wrong if I claim there are dragons? Dragons exist, prove me wrong!

    Also, if you are a scientist, you should know better than most of us debating here, that there is a law of probability.
    You can not prove negative things directly, by logic, but if probability of existing of something is close to zero, it most probably does not exist.

    So before you request evidences that god does not exist (which is unprovable negative claim), you better provide some arguments that god does exist, which is a “positive” claim, and should be easyly supported if truth.

  19. on 08 Feb 2010 at 5:12 pm 19.Boz said …

    1. “claims should be supported by one who make them.”

    I agree, that is my reason for challenging his assertion.

    2. “You should also know that negative claims is impossible to prove.”

    Actually that blanket statement is false. Professional logicians will all assert that this is not the case. Look into it.

    3. “So before you request evidences that god does not exist (which is unprovable negative claim”

    Why is it indicative that I provide a case for the existence of something when I make no such claims when another argues to the contrary? This shifts the burden form the claimant to the recipient. Illogical and does not follow the laws of argumentation and debate.

  20. on 09 Feb 2010 at 2:52 pm 20.Observer said …

    Boz- I don’t get science; what is the highest degree achieved from an accredited university and in what? “laws of argumentation and debate”? What and by whom might those be? Now, as for the “professional logicians” asserting provability of negative claims, never heard of it. What is the paper or theorem? Please do not give a misinterpretation of Goedel incompleteness or show us a misunderstanding of proof by contraposition. The existence of God is not provable. Evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.

  21. on 09 Feb 2010 at 4:34 pm 21.Mac said …

    “Evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.”

    Great, please elaborate.

  22. on 10 Feb 2010 at 8:26 am 22.Severin said …

    Boz
    2. “You should also know that negative claims is impossible to prove.”

    Actually that blanket statement is false. Professional logicians will all assert that this is not the case. Look into it.

    It happened that I warship dragons. Please prove me wrong and prove dragons do not exist.

  23. on 10 Feb 2010 at 8:27 am 23.Severin said …

    sorry, warship = worship

  24. on 10 Feb 2010 at 8:31 am 24.Severin said …

    Mac
    “Great, please elaborate.”
    Please read more, and do not automatically throw away everything you do not like, but think about it!

  25. on 10 Feb 2010 at 12:32 pm 25.Boz said …

    You may want to look at Argumentation and Debate” by Freely and Steinberg. The best resource for a novice in this area.

    I never claimed existence of God is provable. I claimed the blanket statement claiming a negative cannot be proven is false. I suggest “Developing Critical Reading Skills” by Spears in this area.

    Yes, please elaborate on this “overwhelming” evidence. I and the vast majority seemed to have missed this storehouse of evidence.

  26. on 10 Feb 2010 at 2:04 pm 26.Observer said …

    Boz-

    I suppose I should not be surprised that you cite Spears (2008, 8th ed. McGraw-Hill) and Freeley and Steinberg (2008, 12th ed. Wadsworth-Cengage). These are high school-level texts. I did not find any of Spears to read online. I read a good bit of F&S and it is very elementary, but not wrong. (It is worth noting that Freeley is an ambulance chaser specializing in air-bag injuries. Cengage, the publisher is a vocational training outfit. ) It is funny, but if Theists were to even follow the very simple reasoning in this book, assuming average intelligence, they would not be able to follow their own professed religious beliefs.

    For example: You claim there is a “God”. Using F&S the burden of proof is on you, as Ricky Gervais et al. have pointed out. Aquinas and those who followed have not been able to prove God for good reason.

    You failed to cite anything on your assertions of provability. Was this a palliative line from a bible study instructor? If you are interested in this kind of thing, let me recommend a book from my own library, Polya’s Plausible Reasoning vol. I.

  27. on 10 Feb 2010 at 2:24 pm 27.Boz said …

    Observer,

    I offer those text since I did not detect any ability above their intended audience. I did not intend to overwhelm.

    Past the history of F&S, again, you fail to show any ability to read comprehensibly. Where did I claim I could prove God? I have my own personal proofs but I feel no need to bold proclaim I have “overwhelming evidence” to bestow on the masses.

    Shifting back from your quick dismissal of your bold proclamation. Observer, you on the other hand have a storehouse of information against God’s existence. Once again, an attempt to “shift” the burden of proof. Will you be offering evidence for review or are you just another voice spitting out old cliches?

  28. on 10 Feb 2010 at 3:16 pm 28.Observer said …

    Boz-

    “I offer those text since I did not detect any ability above their intended audience.” Forget the inanity of content, can you see the errors in your sentence? Is than attempt to insult me? You cannot insult me.

    “Past the history of F&S, again, you fail to show any ability to read comprehensibly.” Is this another attempt at English? From the rest of this paragraph, and what I believe to be a reference to my “Example” in my previous post, can we infer you do not believe there is a “God”?

    “Shifting back from your quick dismissal of your bold proclamation.” What is your first language?

    Again, this began with you claiming to be a scientist. Where and in what did you receive your degrees? ( There was a great story on “This American Life” where some sort of tradesman decided he had found a flaw in Einstein’s relativity theories. Of course, this guy didn’t even have mastery of high school math. This guy was crank. ) You have not answered this question, and looking at your writing, my guess is that you made it out of high school, and did not have a successful college career.

    The second point was a vague assertion about what “professional logicians” say regarding what is provable. You failed to make a citation, but rather invited interested readers to do so. Again, what is the citation? What is the lemma or theorem?

    You are trying to weasel out of answering the direct questions put to you. This is a lost cause. Dealing with Christians makes me feel unclean.

  29. on 10 Feb 2010 at 5:45 pm 29.Boz said …

    You do not even have the ability to reason your way through a simple sentence on a blog? The sentence was an attempt at an insult? I assure you if I were hurling insults it would be evident. My pardons if you are much more.

    I don’t feel a need to sound my own horn. But if it is that much of a concern I did all my graduate and postgraduate work at Vanderbilt U may years ago. Your belief is quite irrelevant.

    You do not even have the ability to reason your way through a simple sentence on a blog? The sentence was an attempt at an insult? I assure you if I were hurling insults it would be evident. My pardons if you are much more.

    I don’t feel a need to sound my own horn. But if it is that much of a concern I did all my graduate and postgraduate work at Vanderbilt U may years ago. Your belief is quite irrelevant.

    I take it you will not be providing the storehouse of information that is so overwhelming against the existence of God? That’s a shame; I was stoked about the possibilities.

    You seem upset at the prospect that a negative can be proven. If you are the great mind as you project, this should be self-explanatory. Hint: Richard Zach, and undoubtedly many others.

    You seem upset at the prospect that a negative can be proven. If you are the great mind as you project, this should be self-explanatory. Hint: Richard Zach, and undoubtedly many others.

  30. on 10 Feb 2010 at 7:31 pm 30.Observer said …

    Thanks for using an editor, just get the duplex sorted.

    As for Zach, you make my point from my first post where I now, it seems, presciently wrote the following:
    “What is the paper or theorem? Please do not give a misinterpretation of Goedel incompleteness or show us a misunderstanding of proof by contraposition.”

    You will also note in Zach’s publication list besides Goedel, his most recent work covers the greats Russell and Tarski. These guys are not on your side logically or theologically. Russell was a less charitable atheist than Dawkins ( He thought, perhaps correctly, wasting time trying to educate the masses was not worth his time. ) Tarski, while technically a converted Catholic, appears to have done so in the same way Marx’s pappy converted to Lutheranism, and thus by extension Karl himself, and Disraeli to the Church of England- purely for professional reasons. I am not aware of any theism from him. Wouldn’t you imagine these guys would get on the God bandwagon if they could show something?

    For the storehouse of data against “God” you can look at this website. I will concede though that it is better to state there is nothing to support the notion of God. Dealing with you theistic folks is like pissing up a rope.

    This website is a time vampire. Why am I here? I am confounded by the collapse of my country ( the USA). I am trying to understand the population doing the most to destroy America. These folks are mostly evangelical and fundamentalist Christians and their allies. Prior to Carter, admitting “Born Again” status was like admitting pedophilia or incest. This Christian perversion, with its concomitant irrationality applied to economics, government, public and foreign policy has likely done irreparable damage to the United States of America. The evangelicals, fundamentalists and their allies are our Taliban. It will be a miracle if the great humanist experiment of the Founding Fathers can go on and succeed.

    We are witnessing the realization of the fictional “Idiocracy”. While I do not doubt Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck are the best and brightest of the conservative and Republican movements, and they stand a great chance of running the country, they and their ilk are nevertheless a disaster for the my country, and arguably the world.

    The more I understand about my countrymen, such as yourself, the less optimistic I become. The failure is due to poor education, and that has its roots in the liberalism of the 1960s and 1970s. Just because someone has a viewpoint, it does not necessarily deserve being heard. Dignifying Creationism, Intelligent Design, or any of the other Bible based anti-science fantasies with debate is folly, and only serves to undermine education and the country.

    Here is one of the most honest Christian websites: http://www.fixedearth.com . Enjoy.

  31. on 10 Feb 2010 at 8:25 pm 31.Boz said …

    Yes, I used an editor just for you. I know how seriously you take your blogs.

    “You will also note in Zach’s publication list besides Goedel, his most recent work covers the greats Russell and Tarski. These guys are not on your side logically or theologically.”

    Show me their work where a negative cannot be proven. Thanks in advance. I never claimed anything theologically then again men are not my Gods, they are my sources. You are really hung up of theology.

    “For the storehouse of data against “God” you can look at this website.”

    So, you really do not have any real evidence. You do realize there is no hard evidence here, right?

    “The evangelicals, fundamentalists and their allies are our Taliban. It will be a miracle if the great humanist experiment of the Founding Fathers can go on and succeed.”

    Biased hate-filled accusation against other Americans is sickening. The founders were predominately theist. Are you certain you would not like to bring them into the Taliban?

    I do not doubt Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck are the best and brightest of the conservative and Republican movements”

    Maybe you did not realize they hold no power. Beck & Limbaugh are the media! Would you like to consider the ilk actually running our nation into financial ruin?

    The more I understand about my countrymen, such as yourself, the less optimistic I become. The failure is due to poor education, and that has its roots in the liberalism of the 1960s and 1970s.

    Failure is due to the elitism arrogant attitudes of men such as yourself and the BHOs of the world. Your judgmental arrogant attitude reflects a generation of elitist who tend to believe they know what is best for everyone and thus nanny states.

    I can no longer waste my time with such hate.

  32. on 10 Feb 2010 at 9:38 pm 32.Horatio said …

    Don’t anticipate too much from O. He growls a lot but rarely adds anything of real significance to the debate. His true colors have just come out in some shocking color.

    The Big O leads a parade of academic nimrods in DC with no real world experience and Observer cannot figure out why our country is where it is today.

  33. on 10 Feb 2010 at 9:55 pm 33.Observer said …

    Boz-

    You never addressed me calling BS on your assertion allegedly bolstered by “professional logicians”. Weak.

    The ilk running the country into financial ruin are the guys who have used the simpleton evangelicals and fundamentalists to put themselves into power. They are very bad news, and mostly Republican. Follow the money. Lehman went down because Fuld was a big Democrat. My old buddy Jimmie Caine was saved because he was a Pioneer. Maurie Greenberg, and Sandy Weil are big Republicans.

    Don’t get me wrong, the Dems are pretty bad news too, but nothing compared to the institutionalization of filth and corruption that began with peri-senile Reagan. ( Robbing citizens through “privatization” = corporate welfare, etc. )

    Due to the nihilistic Republicans the country cannot be ruled. (You should read Krugman’s NYTimes op-ed from Monday. He is one of the most insightful minds out there.) I really think we are shot. Bush was the worst president since Buchanan. I seriously fear that within 50 years the country will be destroyed by filth like the Tea Party. Pax Senensis anyone?

  34. on 11 Feb 2010 at 2:44 am 34.Burebista said …

    Evangelicals and fundamentalists put Obama, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd in power? I don’t think so but they will be part of crowd taking him out of power.

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