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Christianity Thomas on 28 Jan 2010 12:40 am

More religious insanity – the pope whips himself

If any “normal” person did this, it would be considered insanity, but when a religious person does it, it is considered normal:

Pope John Paul II ‘whipped himself to feel closer to God’

The late Pope John Paul II, who has been put on the fast track to sainthood by the Vatican, regularly whipped himself as an act of penance to feel closer to God…

“In his wardrobe, among his vestments, there hung on a clothes hanger a special belt for trousers which he used as a whip,” Monsignor Oder says. He said self flagellation was “an instrument of Christian perfection” emulating the sufferings of Jesus Christ.

Imagine a corporate CEO admitting to this. He would be immediately dismissed. But the pope can get away with insanity like this because religion is already a form of insanity. Whipping yourself is just an extra cherry of insanity on top of a giant insanity sundae.

Another example of papal insanity:

41 Responses to “More religious insanity – the pope whips himself”

  1. on 28 Jan 2010 at 2:39 am 1.JD said …

    The reason your prayers go unanswered is because everyone on Earth is serving the good and bad gods and do not know their Creator and therefore cannot ask him for anything! This is why the Pope has to beat himself in order to feel closer to God!
    This is the truth that every man has been waiting for from the founding of the world until now. Our Creator is one and his people are one in union with him and his name is literally “Holy”! His name is personalized by each of the children of the first resurrection and they know his name as Miholy (pronounced: “My Holy”)!
    They have all returned to the only place where they can know for sure, that the word they are receiving is from their Creator. They all have returned and stood in the footsteps of Adam before the sin took place because it is the only place his word is in the purest and most perfect form! Because after man began his eating of the knowledge of a good God and an evil Devil You can’t trust anything that he says, because a message has been interwoven with thorns and thistles. You see, our heavenly father has created all of us equally and in the exact same way we were created!
    He created Adam from the dust of the ground and he blew his breath of life (his word) into him and he became a living soul. In like manner because the bodies of all women born earth is flesh made of the dust of the ground, their bellies are dust and he forms everyone of mankind out of their bellies! At mankind’s birth each one individually Miholy (our Creator) blows the breath of life (his word) into them and they become a living soul with eternal life.
    But in their error of understanding our mom, dad, brothers, sisters, and grandparents all of them thinking they are doing a sacred service to our Creator begin feeding us of the knowledge of good and evil.
    Anyone serving the Creator by their listening to his word and not putting the good and bad gods before Miholy’s face, knows that we must not eat the knowledge of a good God and an evil Devil, if we do not want to die. All of them know by their Creators warning that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is also the tree of life in the middle of the garden! How can this be you might ask?
    Eat of this tree and die, don’t eat of it and live, it’s your choice, as in the words of Moses when the Israelites were about to Passover and take possession of the Promised Land. Miholy said through Moses: “You must choose life!” And now a second time he says: “You must choose life and return to me and I will return to you!”
    Any one hearing these words and doing them will never die in the flesh for they will become a child of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over them.
    JDAF E-mail: jdaf@theqoi.com

  2. on 28 Jan 2010 at 9:42 am 2.Severin said …

    “… Adam before the sin took place because it…”

    So your god took as a sin Adam’s eating a fruit from some tree, and DID NOT take as sin the fact that Adam’s and EVE’s children had to fuck each other (incest!) to create human race.

    Strange god!

  3. on 28 Jan 2010 at 12:32 pm 3.JD said …

    (So your god took as a sin Adam’s eating a fruit from some tree,)
    See what this tree has become it is the many branches of religions worldwide, teaching the knowledge of a good God and an evil Devil hurting and killing each other in their ignorance!
    In my father’s kingdom there is no good and bad there just is harmony, love, kindness, everyone helping each other as one, everyone equal, no man is in charge of another man, no man is greater than any other man, everyone is equal, each one individually answering directly to the Creator only. All men are taught by the Creator only. Our creator does not need a messenger for we are all born equal and he can talk to you in the same way as he can talk to me, so why would he tell me to tell you anything.

    (and DID NOT take as sin the fact that Adam’s and EVE’s children had to fuck each other (incest!) to create human race.)
    It wasn’t our Creator who said that we could not have sexual relations, but on the contrary he said: “be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth”! It was the eating from the knowledge of what man thinks is good to do and he should not do in order to save themselves. All this so they can be like God self sustaining and keep alive by their own knowledge of what is good and what is bad!
    It is written that what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. Our father does not punish us… each one punishes himself by judging what is good to do and what is bad and what we should not do! Out of your own mouth comes your own punishment!
    There is only one law that our father gave us and it contains everything mankind needs to live in peace and harmony with each other. This one and only law gives you the choice to live or die you choose. If you choose life… you will not eat of it, if you choose death… then by all means eat of it, either way… know this you are no God and there is no way you’re going to heaven, no matter what you do!

  4. on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:56 pm 4.Lou said …

    They guy who narrates all these atheist videos really gets around. Do they have him on a retainer with accompanying teleprompter?

    A little tip, he should learn the difference between God’s punishment against sin and the murdering of innocent Americans through jihad. It is the equivalent of the using gas chamber on a convicted murderer and the murder committed by the murderer.

  5. on 28 Jan 2010 at 4:54 pm 5.Severin said …

    3 JD
    “…“be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth”!…”,

    …by having sex with your own brothers and sisters?!

    Genesis 4 17:
    “Then cain’s wife became pregnant….”
    If A+E were the first and ONLY people on earth, and Kain was their son, WHO was Kain’s wife, but his sister!

    So did your god alow incest or not? You do not need so many words to answer that.
    As I see it, there was absolutely no choice in obeying god’s order “…be fruitful…” but by incest.

    And anyone alowing incest is a little bit disgusting for my taste.

  6. on 28 Jan 2010 at 7:38 pm 6.Rostam said …

    Hmmm, I never saw a command against incest in Genesis 1 or 2. I’ll need to go back and read them again. I believe that command came much later. Need to check your timelines.

  7. on 28 Jan 2010 at 7:41 pm 7.Severin said …

    36 FOC
    “I think it is sad that all you Christian haters…”

    Dear FOC, I do not hate anyone! Where did you see me expressing any hate to anyone? It is not in my nature to hate!
    My grandies were active christians, and I loved them very much, as I love today many of my friends who are believers. It, of course, does not mean that I accept their religion. I accept THEM as friends, not asking them about their beliefs. But, we DO sometimes debate among us, without hard feelings, and – beacause we are friends and mutually tollerable – we debate MUCH „sharper“ than on these pages.
    Debating is exchanging of arguments, nothing more, nothing less, and on these pages in much more cases believers expressed direct hate, threats and insults, than atheists, you just investigate these pages carefully.
    Calling someone names, in this case „christian haters“ does not replace arguments!
    .
    But it is typical that, when faced to a paradox, such as incestous relations among Adam’s and Eve’s children, not only alowed, but ordered by their god („…be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth”!…/by having sex with your own brothers and sisters, as nobody else is available!/), believers in most cases can not resist to threaten/offend instead of offering counter-arguments.
    This is not nice, and does not show believers in good light, but it’s them, what can I do?

  8. on 28 Jan 2010 at 7:59 pm 8.Severin said …

    6 Rostam
    “Hmmm, I never saw a command against incest…”

    If you don’t find any, does it mean incest is O.K.?
    Bible is a word of god, which must be obeyed. Or not? Bible teches us good, wasn’it said so?
    This small simple qustion, among many stupidities written there, makes the whole Bible a big bullshit.

  9. on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:08 pm 9.Horatio said …

    Rostam I checked its not there. I have honestly attempted to help him but I’m not sure if is above is intellect or if he is just angry.

  10. on 28 Jan 2010 at 11:05 pm 10.JD said …

    Incest: sexual activity between two people who are considered, for moral or genetic reasons, too closely related to have such a relationship.
    Incest is regarded as a serious taboo in almost every society, although cultures differ as to the extent to which marriages are allowed between relatives.
    If your eyes were closed and you didn’t serve the good and bad gods you would see that nothing is bad. However, you must talk about Abraham and Sarah!

  11. on 28 Jan 2010 at 11:26 pm 11.Severin said …

    JD 10
    “… you would see that nothing is bad.”

    For most atheists, including myself, incest is something unacceptable, immoral and disgusting.

    For believers, beside slavory, misogyny, masacring of children (all ordered by your god in the Bible), now suddenly incest becames “not so bad thing” too!

    How far are you able to go to defend the misery and immorality of christian techings?

  12. on 28 Jan 2010 at 11:38 pm 12.Xenon said …

    Why is homosexuality and adultery accepted by atheist and liberals but incest is wrong? If a man and woman are consenting and happen to be brother and sister who cares? Stay out of the bedrooms of others.

    Atheist always trying to tell others what is right and wrong as if they have some special insight into what is right and wrong.

  13. on 29 Jan 2010 at 1:28 am 13.JD said …

    Severin
    If you were not eating of the knowledge of good and evil you would not be judging things to be bad such as incest. Tell me you are an atheist (somebody who does not believe in God or deities) by whose law do you quote that incest is bad? If you were truly a doubter, agnostic, nonbeliever, not serving any gods or deities, then buy what do you base your decision that incest is bad? Are you a God? Can you decide what is good for all of mankind to do and what is bad for all of mankind not to do in order for man to sustain his life?
    There is only good and bad if you see it and judge it so…. Be set free, stop carrying the burdens of the teachings of the knowledge of a good God and an evil devil. What is immoral to you is not immoral to anyone else, who made you a God to decide what is good for everyone and what is not? I believe you have hidden personal reasons as to why the subject is so touchy to you. There is only one universal law and that is you do not hurt anyone in anyway otherwise what you do is between you and our Creator. Live and let live.

  14. on 29 Jan 2010 at 10:23 am 14.Severin said …

    12 xenon, 13 JD
    I can not believe my eyes!
    Baby mascring is O.K., slavory is O.K., misogyny is O.K., NOW, FINALLY, INCEST IS O.K., just to support tragical and immoral biblical “teachings”!!!

    I did not eat anything like “knowledge of evil and good”, but you both seem as to have eaten some wrong mushrooms.

    “Stay out of the bedrooms of others.“
    Even when father is abusing his little daughter? Or older brother his little sister? Is THAT christian morality?

    Now you showed your real face!

    „…by whose law do you quote that incest is bad?“
    Even animals, directed by INFOMATION accumulated in their genes by evolution, „know“ somehow that incest is BIOLOGICALLY WRONG, and in most cases instinctively avoid incestual sex. Many “rules” exist among animals of the same group to avoid incestual sex.
    And, of course, it is forbiden by laws of most human sicieties, even the most primitive ones, because both humans and animals feel and understand better than your god that INCESTUAL SEX LEADS TO DEGRADATION OF SPECIES. Your god did not know that!

    Long live christian morality! It approves incestual sexual relations.

  15. on 29 Jan 2010 at 10:26 am 15.Severin said …

    12 xenon, 13 JD, continued
    Now, christians who doubted about what was or what was not alowed, and have sick instincts directed to your sons, brothers, sisters, daugters, go ahaed!
    According to Bible, incest is O.K.!
    Pedophile fathers, sex with your own daughters is O.K.!
    „Stay away of bedrooms of others“ is from now on the only rule you have to obey!

    Why don’t you just recognize in your minds and your hearts that what christianity teaches you is deeply wrong! And VERY dangerous!
    I DO NOT ask you to admit it publically, to say it to me or to anyone else.
    Just use your own minds, and say to yourself about what you find there.
    If you still find incest is O.K., seek for medical help.

  16. on 29 Jan 2010 at 11:27 am 16.Severin said …

    “I believe you have hidden personal reasons as to why the subject is so touchy to you.”

    This is really dirty! That is the way believers discuss when short in arguments! Insinuate, to direct attention from the point discussed to personal level!
    However, I am far above such a way of discussion and will not say just “go and fuck your sister, if incest is O.K. for you”, but will address you talk to somebody who can help you.

  17. on 29 Jan 2010 at 1:34 pm 17.Xenon said …

    JD,

    Severin is a mess so don’t take him to seriously. He does illustrate a valid point. HE and HE alone has determined what is moral and right in his own eyes. Notice how he has determined that incest is wrong, but homosexuality is OK? So two consenting adults of the same gender is OK but two consenting adults with the same mother is not. It goes to show how whack moral judgment can be when man sets himself up as the judge.

  18. on 29 Jan 2010 at 1:56 pm 18.JD said …

    Severin you said:
    1)”Pedophile fathers, sex with your own daughters is O.K.!”
    “Stay away of bedrooms of others“ is from now on the only rule you have to obey!”
    2)”However, I am far above such a way of discussion and will not say just “go and fuck your sister, if incest is O.K. for you”.

    JD’s Answer…
    You are a sick fellow; a dad with his babies is rape, child abuse, anything but incest! Just how far will you go to try to prove your point that there is no God? If there is no god you would have no morals and you wouldn’t feel so damn guilty about molesting your own children and fucking your own sister.
    I’m 60 years old and have never encountered a spirit like yours, until I met you! So you can continue living and beating yourself with your sick spirit! No one will ever believe the teachings you are spitting out because you have not studied, you’re not even listening you’re missing the whole point. You judge without thought… and so you shall be judged.
    You just open your mouth and spit out shit and I am done with you. I leave you to the living Creator. Tell him of your basket of shit and how you are a god like him and can judge everything before you even know what it is. Then asked him why he doesn’t answer your prayers!
    But be forewarned he is not and has never been one of the good and bad gods that this Earth teaches about! He is the creator of all things, he is or there would be nothing, and when you stand in front of him you’ll know he exists! You have been forewarned!

  19. on 29 Jan 2010 at 2:03 pm 19.JD said …

    Xenon
    thank you!

  20. on 29 Jan 2010 at 8:45 pm 20.Severin said …

    „You are a sick fellow; a dad with his babies is rape, child abuse, anything but incest!“
    I did not declare incest of ANY KIND “normal”, so who is sick here?
    So, according to you, an incestual relation between father and dauther is „anything but incest“ if a daughter is a baby, and – waht? – if daughter is mature, you keep off their bed, do not interfere, it is accordance to Bible? Sex between mature brothers and sisters, parents and their children is O.K. if they are not babies! It is in accordance to Bible!
    You are now in your own trap, and are trying to put limits somewhere, but god did not say so, guys, he said just „…be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth”, without specifying who will sleep with whome, without age limits… KNOWING that incest is the only option. SICK!
    Are you so illiterate that you do not recognize my deep disgusting with your acceptance of incest of ANY KIND, which I expressed as deep, black sarcasm: if incest is accepted, why not going a few steps further?
    You already DID SUCH A STEP! Yoy accepted already all biblical horrors and filths (baby masacring, sexual slavory…), now you accept incest (when discovered), tomorrow you will accept any new filth someone discovers in the Bible. Where will YOU stop in defending such an ugly, dirty „morality“? By declaring necrophilia „normal“ if someone finds it in the Bible?
    And – you never know, Bible is a biiiig book, and as dirty.

  21. on 29 Jan 2010 at 8:53 pm 21.Severin said …

    „Notice how he has determined that incest is wrong, but homosexuality is OK?“

    I have NEVER mentioned homosexuals, so you are lying again to try to make me “immoral” in somebody’s eyes, and/or to turn attention from the main point.
    It is not necessary to lie, try with arguments!

  22. on 29 Jan 2010 at 9:45 pm 22.Morris said …

    So you are a homophobe?

  23. on 30 Jan 2010 at 3:00 am 23.Mary said …

    Children children, stop arguing amongst yourselves. Do you see that it is pointless to argue in such ways? Listen to you Mother now, God exists and has always existed before the beginning of time. Children, how this breaks my heart, show that your God lives by example, not by harsh word of tongue. Your intentions were not to judge but you are doing so now. Stop. And be at peace. Your creator, God, The Trinity, loves you more deeply than you can imagine. Blessings be to my children on this day.

  24. on 30 Jan 2010 at 8:45 am 24.Severin said …

    “So you are a homophobe?”

    Homophobe is someone having fear of people generally (for example does not go to strets, does not visit crawded places).

    No,I am not homphobe.

    If you had in mind fear, or unacceptance, or hate, against homoosexually orientated people,I am not the one either.
    I think homosexuality is strictly private thing, and I hate discrimination against them.
    And, homosexualism is biologically neutral and does not enadanger survival of species in any way.

  25. on 30 Jan 2010 at 2:40 pm 25.Morris said …

    So you think incest is wrong but homosexuality is not. You are irrational, inconsistent and bigoted. Stop judging others and allow consenting adults to do as they please. If a grown brother and sister want to get married, have sex and make fun of severin why is it your business?

    I knew he would fall in the trap. He can’t help himself.

  26. on 30 Jan 2010 at 5:11 pm 26.Severin said …

    “If a grown brother and sister want to get married, have sex and make fun of severin why is it your business”

    I would not comment this! Ask a lawyer for a comment. Ask any biologist.

    “You are irrational, inconsistent and bigoted.”
    Thank you, it would be nice to know on what basis would it be so. Beacause you say so?

    You are only immoral.

  27. on 31 Jan 2010 at 12:08 am 27.JD said …

    If in the beginning it was Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve there would be no human race and there would not be anyone here having this discussion. And I know and understand that gay men hate relationships between a man and a woman!
    It’s not the fact that a man and a woman are brother and sister and have sex with each other, but rather the fact that a gay man needs sick sex and no woman will give them what they need! This is the reason they hate women because they blame the woman for their sickness… and because of this fact a gay man can’t find sexual satisfaction except with another sick gay man.

  28. on 31 Jan 2010 at 4:07 am 28.Anon said …

    No JD, you don’t know shit. “Gay men hate relationships between a man and a woman!” Really now? That is probably the most bigoted, demonstrable line I’ve read on this blog. It has been well established that homosexuality is not only normal, but can be beneficial a species unlike incest. However that is an inconvenient fact for you and it doesn’t really matter how many scientific papers I flaunt, as it is evident that you only wish to expand on your hate. Gay men are sick? Maybe you’re sick for simply loathing something you don’t understand and maybe you’re sick for not even trying to understand. I guess it’s easier to construct a false image to justify your inexcusable hate. You need to take a long look at yourself, son.

  29. on 31 Jan 2010 at 5:43 am 29.JD said …

    Aron The truth hurts don’t it….

  30. on 31 Jan 2010 at 8:25 am 30.Severin said …

    JD 29
    How do you know what you “know”, JD? Where did you read it? On the “White Power” site?

  31. on 31 Jan 2010 at 1:15 pm 31.Morris said …

    Scientific papers? I didn’t see any papers flaunted.

    Anon you are full of BS. I can demonstrated from the physiological to the psychological how homosexuality is harmful to the human species. I can also flaunt scientific studies not to mention many individuals who left the lifestyle. Don’t bring in here your false conclusions when they have been demonstrated false. Lobbyist are powerful and the gays have quite a number to influence public opinion. I could not care less if they practice their lifestyle but I will not allow them or you to distort the truth unchallenged.

    Oh, please explain how adult incest is somehow wrong and homosexuality is not?

  32. on 31 Jan 2010 at 1:18 pm 32.Morris said …

    Severin

    WhitPower site? What is that? Whites are largest homosexual group! R U implying blacks are pro-homosexual? Being black, I know for fact blacks are more disgusted with homosexuality than whites. You are clueless.

  33. on 01 Feb 2010 at 2:04 am 33.JD said …

    30.Severin
    How do you know what you “know”? Where did you read it? I did not read it anywhere… our Creator has revealed this to me! And I well know it is the truth, just as you do!

  34. on 01 Feb 2010 at 8:46 am 34.Severin said …

    JD
    “And I well know it is the truth, JUST AS YOU DO!” (my bold)

    Please do not apply your intollerant „knowings“ to other people. I do not „know“ anything you blame me to „know“. My reasons are millions of miles far from yours, and I have no hidden thoughts to speak one thing and to think another.
    I wrote what I thought and I deeply dissagree with your intollerance and with immoral and unjustified blaiming of people. It sounds very much as fascism.

  35. on 01 Feb 2010 at 10:25 am 35.JD said …

    34.Severin
    You will meet your Creator soon and we’ll see what you tell him.

  36. on 02 Feb 2010 at 12:33 am 36.LOL said …

    Just you wait Severin, you’ll be sorry when I get my big brother!

  37. on 02 Feb 2010 at 8:43 am 37.Severin said …

    35 JD
    “You will meet your Creator soon and we’ll see what you tell him.”
    If I ever meet him, I will kick his balls for everything he did to human society. But – poor chances to meet him!

  38. on 02 Feb 2010 at 4:20 pm 38.JD said …

    I sent an e-mail challenging your site if you would like to see the challenge here is the address: http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=12395.0

  39. on 07 Jul 2014 at 2:30 am 39.the messenger said …

    Thomas, this is low, even for you.

    Pope John Paul II did whip himself, but did not draw blood, or cause any bruises. It was quite gentle. He did it as a way of reminding himself of the pain that Christ went through for us.

    Don’t you dare try to smear his good name. He united the polish people and helped save it from communism. He did more to united the Christians, Jews, and Muslims in a peaceful bond than any other man that ever lived.

  40. on 07 Jul 2014 at 2:41 am 40.the messenger said …

    Thomas, this is low, even for you.

    Pope John Paul II did whip himself, but did not draw blood, or cause any bruises. It was quite gentle. He did it as a way of reminding himself of the pain that Christ went through for us.

    Don’t you dare try to smear his good name. He united the polish people and helped save it from communism. He did more to unite the Christians, Jews, and Muslims in a peaceful bond than any other man that ever lived

  41. on 14 Sep 2014 at 11:44 pm 41.the messenger said …

    Thomas, this is low, even for you.

    Pope John Paul II did whip himself, but did not draw blood, or cause any bruises. It was quite gentle. He did it as a way of reminding himself of the pain that Christ went through for us.

    Don’t you dare try to smear his good name. He united the polish people and helped save it from communism. He did more to unite the Christians, Jews, and Muslims in a peaceful bond than any other man that ever lived

    P.S., if you are still on this site I hope you are having a change of heart. Never smear JohnPaul’s name. He was and is a great man.

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