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Christianity &Rationals Thomas on 15 Dec 2009 12:08 am

Understanding atheism: How do we know that God is imaginary?

From Reddit:

I am a man of science. I also believe in God. Why are you so sure he doesn’t exist?

A Christian puts it this way:

To me, God exists outside of the realm of science we are aware of. The most commonly held theory is that the universe began with a Big Bang type event. Real scientific evidence points to this conclusion. It is also feasible that it was a completely random occurrence, a la quantum physics. Yet even if it was random, there’s still that pesky ‘why’ question that won’t go away (i’m not satisfied by a response that says random implies no need for a why). Like everyone else, I have no definitive answer.

Yet why do I believe in God? It is hard to articulate. I’m no poet. When I see beauty in the world, it makes me feel like there’s something more there. This may just be a product of my evolution, but again theres no proof. I feel closest to God (if he exists), when I listen to Beethoven’s Ninth (another top achievement). Or look out onto the Grand Canyon (as Bob Dylan once alluded to). Yes it is a cliche, but have you watched those old “miracle of life” films recently? I understand the biology and physics that lead to life, but science has yet to fully explain my thoughts or feelings. Also, this belief has nothing to do with a comforting desire for an afterlife. I have no clue, but my best guess is that my after-life will be just like my before-life.

The responses are interesting.

4 Responses to “Understanding atheism: How do we know that God is imaginary?”

  1. on 21 Dec 2009 at 8:32 pm 1.Cathy Sander said …

    …except the fact that asking “Why” questions is a reflection of who we are as human beings. This does not, in any way, reflect how the universe is: there might not be a reason for its existence!

    “I understand the biology and physics that lead to life, but science has yet to fully explain my thoughts or feelings.”

    …but this does not suggest that we give up on trying to understand how it happens. Proof is too hard a goal for science: only mathematicians are entitled to that status of knowledge.

  2. on 22 Dec 2009 at 12:32 am 2.Severin said …

    “Like everyone else, I have no definitive answer.”

    Probability has nothing to do with god or other supernatural creatures. It is pure concept of mathematics and logic.

    Imagine any quantity of particles in movement under energy a system contains (example: boiling water). The higher the energy, the bigger the amplitudes of movements of particles. But each particle has its own path of moving, they vibrate in all directions, randomly, never following their previous path, or the paths of other particles. No particle prevails in the system, and we have a balanced system, the same presure in all directions.

    Now just imagine the possibility that, in one nanosecond among billions and billions of years, not all, but only a small part of particles, thanks to pure probabilty, coincide their paths regarding direction of their movements, and move the same direction. It is very, very, very unlikely, but NOT impossible, if you have really a lot of time.
    In that moment you have no more balance, you have bigger presure in one direction, and a very special event, such as Big Bang can occur.

    Where is god here?

    The question “how” is applicable to the problem, the question “why” has nothing to do with it.
    Why – beacuse randomly, in one nanosecond in billions of years, several particles had the same direction of movment.
    We do not know yet answers to all “hows”, but some time ago all the people believed sun was orbiting earth. After some time tehy found their answer to this “how”.
    So will we, sooner or later.

    Beauty of the universe is not reduced if we have no answer to “why”, but is raising with raising the number of answers to “how”.

  3. on 22 Dec 2009 at 12:51 am 3.Severin said …

    “I understand the biology and physics that lead to life, but science has yet to fully explain my thoughts or feelings.”

    No “divine” concepts necessary here!

    Some rational explanations are offerd in comments #59 and #60 in “Understanding Dualism” – Christianity .
    See also comments #22, #35, #36.

  4. on 22 Dec 2009 at 4:29 am 4.Sister Chromatid said …

    I know god is imaginary the same way I know Santa, Xenu, and demons are imaginary.

    When you can’t distinguish a real invisible entity from an imaginary one, then it’s safe to presume that the proposed entity is imaginary.

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