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Christianity &Islam &Science Thomas on 27 Nov 2009 12:58 am

Prayer does not even offer a placebo effect, but now government is asked to fund prayer

Prayer does not even offer a placebo effect:

No Prayer Prescription

The three-year Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP), published in the April 4 American Heart Journal, was the largest-ever attempt to apply scientific methods to measure the influence of prayer on the well-being of another. It examined 1,800 patients undergoing heart-bypass surgery. On the eve of the operations, church groups began two weeks of praying for one set of patients. Each recipient had a praying contingent of about 70, none of whom knew the patient personally. The study found no differences in survival or complication rates compared with those who did not receive prayers. The only statistically significant blip appeared in a subgroup of patients who were prayed for and knew it. They experienced a higher rate of postsurgical heart arrhythmias (59 versus 52 percent of unaware subjects).

So we know, without a doubt, that prayer has no effect and may make things worse. That, however, does not deter the insane people who are members of the cult of Christian Scientists:

Christian Scientists seek reimbursement for prayers

Prue Lewis listens as they explain their symptoms. Then Lewis — a thin, frail-looking woman from Columbia Heights — simply says, “I’ll go to work right away.” She hangs up, organizes her thoughts and begins treating her clients’ ailments the best way she knows how: She prays.

This is health care in the world of Christian Science, where the sick eschew conventional medicine and turn to God for healing. Christian Scientists call it “spiritual health care,” and it is a practice they are battling to insert into the health-care legislation being hammered out in Congress.

Leaders of the Church of Christ, Scientist, are pushing a proposal that would help patients pay someone like Lewis for prayer by having insurers reimburse the $20 to $40 cost.

The provision was stripped from the bill the House passed this month, and church leaders are trying to get it inserted into the Senate version. And the church has powerful allies there, including Sens. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), who represents the state where the church is based, and Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), who said the provision would “ensure that health-care reform law does not discriminate against any religion.”

You have to pay someone for their prayers? Insanity.

4 Responses to “Prayer does not even offer a placebo effect, but now government is asked to fund prayer”

  1. on 28 Nov 2009 at 7:13 am 1.if your right about everything then reread the bible, stab your eye for sinning is in other words close or avoid seeing sin for pleasure. Jesus/God says what is right,its how you read it that makes sence, not how you see it.The bible also says we will mov said …

    When i read and watched your videos i realized one thing wrong with your opinion , You say that you can or have proved all the bible wrong. This only proves how shollow and wrong you are, for one reason why cant you read into words instead of just the words like example…. Do you look at a problem and have the answer or do you work the problem out. You have to study the word to understand it, and just like a math problem,the word will come to you but that dont make sense to a smart person.Answer this question non believers ,is there a hell? do you want to go there unlike life on earth hell is eternal

  2. on 28 Nov 2009 at 8:37 am 2.Desmonid said …

    I was terribly sorry to see that the first comment was some creationist dribble about hell. But on the subject of prayer in the health legislation, I fail to see why it should be included when almost every church service I attended as a child insisted that the congregation pray for some nobody’s(who is vaguely related to some church member) well being. It is unchristian to suggest that one should be monetarily compensated for time spent praying for the well being of another.

  3. on 28 Nov 2009 at 9:17 pm 3.Horatio said …

    Pray has been proven to work time after time. You only need to speak to those who have been treated by prayer and other studies that have shown the benefits. If someone is doing this for a living then sure they should be compensated. Everyone needs to make a living. Last I checked, American Atheist employees are compensated.

  4. on 28 Nov 2009 at 11:52 pm 4.drmabu7 said …

    Kicking in the heads of atheists one at a time…


    PZ, I thought the Morris Police Department was going to save you from the wrath of God…

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