Monthly ArchiveAugust 2009
This is the thread:
Both the statement and the comments are interesting.
Christianity Thomas on 29 Aug 2009
The top 10:
1) Ask them why they are bitter against God.
2) Tell them that if there’s no God, they might as well go out and kill people.
3) Ask them to pray with you.
4) Invite their children to go to church with you.
5) Insist that there is a God, and show them where in the Bible it says so.
6) Hide Chick tracts in clever places around their office.
7) Tell them that the universe is too complex to “just exist,” and must have been created by a God who “just exists.”
8) Make up statistics.
9) End a discussion with “Well, I know you’re smarter than I am, but I know I’m right.”
10) Accuse them of persecuting you.
Christianity Thomas on 26 Aug 2009
Mentioned in the forum:
“Prayers for Bobby”, a true story about a gay teen that was brought up in a holy roller family. The boy would try to open up to his mother, only to have her scream leviticus quotes and such at him.
The forum thread discussing the movie: Absolutely “must see” movie!
Christianity Thomas on 24 Aug 2009
We have covered Aggressive Christianity in the U.S. Military twice before:
Now there are new revelations:
Mikey Weinstein asked me to pass along this statement from an Army officer and West Point graduate about the constant problems he has faced in the military from aggressive Christian superiors who have badgered him relentlessly about his own religious views. The whole thing is worth reading…
Christianity Thomas on 23 Aug 2009
Bill Maher interviews Sam Harris 21.08.09
The problem is that you can be a working scientist and still believe unsupportable religious bullshit because nobody challenges it.
Christianity Thomas on 20 Aug 2009
If you read this article, you can see the effect that religious delusion is having on people in real life:
Now, every conversation about healthcare has to begin with a Democrat explaining at great length that, no, they are not in favour of killing the elderly – while Republicans get away with defending a status quo that kills 18,000 people a year. The hypocrisy was startling: when Sarah Palin was Governor of Alaska, she encouraged citizens there to take out living wills. Almost all the Republicans leading the charge against “death panels” have voted for living wills in the past. But the lie has done its work: a confetti of distractions has been thrown up, and support is leaking away from the plan that would save lives.
These increasingly frenzied claims have become so detached from reality that they often seem like black comedy. The right-wing magazine US Investors’ Daily claimed that if Stephen Hawking had been British, he would have been allowed to die at birth by its “socialist” healthcare system. Hawking responded with a polite cough that he is British, and “I wouldn’t be here without the NHS”.
This tendency to simply deny inconvenient facts and invent a fantasy world isn’t new; it’s only becoming more heightened. It ran through the Bush years like a dash of bourbon in water. When it became clear that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, the US right simply claimed they had been shipped to Syria. When the scientific evidence for man-made global warming became unanswerable, they claimed – as one Republican congressman put it – that it was “the greatest hoax in human history”, and that all the world’s climatologists were “liars”. The American media then presents itself as an umpire between “the rival sides”, as if they both had evidence behind them.
The people fomenting these lies, and the people who follow them, are insane. Their delusion is a form of insanity, and apparently it affects all aspects of their world view. Unfortunately, it is also impacting every part of our society in highly negative ways. The only solution would be to heal the insanity, and the best place to start would be with religion – the biggest delusion of them all:
Christianity Thomas on 19 Aug 2009
We are losing. Two Examples:
The school year is almost here, and if literature of the Bible is not already offered in your child’s school, it will be this fall. Books are a common sight in classrooms around the nation, but the Bible is one book that is not. Come this fall, a Texas law says all public schools must offer information relating to the Bible in their curriculum.
Few in the scientific community would debate Darwinian theory, but evolution is far from universally accepted among the public at large. While 87% of scientists say humans and other living things have evolved as the result of processes such as natural selection, only a third of the public agrees. Another 22% of the public say humans have evolved, but “a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today.”
Christianity Thomas on 19 Aug 2009
A thread in the forum shows how Christians confront atheists and argue their faith:
The Christian pulls out the big guns, including Kent Hovind, Pascal’s wager, etc.
Islam Thomas on 18 Aug 2009
When someone insults the Muslim faith, that someone must die. And many others may die in the process. That is the simple calculus that has made the Muslim faith more and more immune to criticism. If people die for criticizing or laughing at Muslims, people tend to criticize and laugh less.
How do we know that Muslim terrorism is working? Because Yale Press has removed the cartoons from a book of cartoons:
As the article points out, Yale’s surrender is absurd. We should ALL laugh at Muslims, because Muslims are delusional:
Islam Thomas on 17 Aug 2009
Religion must end. We must stamp it out like smallpox or AIDS. Example:
The Muslims who feel most strongly about sexual segregation, or about the importance of ensuring that women dress “modestly”, see those customs as ordered by God. They are profoundly offended by the idea that they reflect merely human choices. That is why there is a vocal strain of Islam in Britain that insists that Muslims should be governed, not by British law, but by sharia.
Islamic law does not, of course, accept that men and women have equal rights. Sharia courts in Britain have already judged that a man may have up to four wives at any one time; that a wife has no property rights in the event of divorce; that a woman may not leave her home without her husband’s consent; and that a woman cannot marry without the presence and permission of a male guardian.
Christianity Thomas on 13 Aug 2009
The religious right is ramping up its campaign against health care reform, even joining with the “tea party” movement to encourage conservative Christians to swamp town hall meetings. Minnesota’s religious right leaders say that the health care reform package is against God’s plan for health care and that Christians should go to community forums and “read them the riot act.”
So where did Palin get that bad information? It appears she pulled it from a set of talking points that has been making its way around the internet in recent weeks — talking points assembled by the Liberty Counsel, a far-right religious group that’s part of Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University empire based in Lynchburg, Va.
Christianity Thomas on 13 Aug 2009
Christianity Thomas on 12 Aug 2009
Discussed in the forum. The official title of the video is, “Converting an indian to christianity – don’t let the devil win”:
The discussion is in this thread:
Christianity Thomas on 11 Aug 2009
PZ Meyers visits the creation “museum” and offers this in-depth review:
A choice quote:
Think about the genuine museums you might have visited. Can you imagine the curators at the American Museum of Natural History being concerned that someone might openly disagree with an exhibit? Do you think Niles Eldredge bustles about the museum, shushing anyone who questions the displays? Would they turn away a visitor wearing a Jesus shirt, or one that baldly declared evolution is false? At real museums, the attitude would range from indifference to active encouragement of discussion. The Creation “Museum” cannot tolerate that.
We were asked to sign a document before we entered that required us to be “respectful” of their facilities, which apparently meant more than simply appropriately regarding their building as private property. One of our atheists was in an entirely friendly conversation about evolution with a creationist visitor, when one of the guards came up and asked them to stop, saying that we had signed an agreement not to even discuss anything in the building where others could hear. (To his credit, the creationist said that he welcomed the discussion the guards wanted to silence, and they continued outside.) They knew we disagreed with them, and they were clearly on edge…and they knew that their beliefs could not stand up in the face of free speech.