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Monthly ArchiveFebruary 2007

Christianity Admin on 23 Feb 2007

Does God kill children to win converts?

Does God kill children to win converts? And if so, why would anyone worship a murderer? This is the question asked by a recent post in The Forum. In particular, the post points out two quotes by superbowl coach Tony Dungy. Dungy lost his son to suicide. According to many Christians, and Dungy himself, if was “OK” to lose his son because it was part of God’s plan and thousands of people learned about God’s love, and Tony’s faith, through the son’s death. Dungy put it this way in one article:

Tony Dungy has been reluctant to speak publicly about the Dec. 22, 2005, suicide of his 18-year-old son, James, but the Indianapolis Colts coach opened up a little Wednesday when the tragedy came up during a news conference at the team’s Westside complex.

“For me, I think it was really a test,” Dungy said to a group of about 50 local and national media gathered to discuss the Colts’ Feb. 4 Super Bowl meeting with the Chicago Bears.

“I think God gives you tests to see if you’re going to stay true to what you believe and stay faithful. For me, that’s what it was, having to continue to believe. Sometimes when you have disappointments, it makes that final destination that much sweeter.”

In another article he said this:

But Dungy used the most important lesson to drive home his point before the packed ballroom full of former NFL players and coaches, league officials and fans.

“If God had talked to me before James’ death and said his death would have helped all these people, it would have saved them and healed their sins, but I would have to take your son, I would have said no, I can’t do that.

“But God had the same choice 2,000 years ago with His Son, Jesus Christ, and it paved the way for you and me to have eternal life. That’s the benefit I got, that’s the benefit James got and that’s the benefit you can get if you accept Jesus into your heart today as your Savior.”

It seems like what you get when you “accept Jesus into your heart” is that God will potentially kill your children to “save people and heal their sins.”

As the forum post put it: “The message seems clear: God kills children to win converts. This is God’s will. Why do people choose to believe in such a being; a being that murders children. It seems totally perverted.”


Christianity &Science Admin on 10 Feb 2007

Evolution Sunday, February 11, 2007

Tomorrow is “Evolution Sunday” according to this page:

Evolution Sunday 2007

Evolution Sunday is a celebration of Science and Religion working together. According to the page:

On 11 February 2007 hundreds of congregations from all portions of the country and a host of denominations will come together to discuss the compatibility of religion and science. For far too long, strident voices, in the name of Christianity, have been claiming that people must choose between religion and modern science. More than 10,000 Christian clergy have already signed The Clergy Letter demonstrating that this is a false dichotomy. Now, on the 198th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin, many of these leaders will bring this message to their congregations through sermons and/or discussion groups. Together, participating religious leaders will be making the statement that religion and science are not adversaries. And, together, they will be elevating the quality of the national debate on this topic.

A member of The WWGHA Forum offered this perspective:

If a congregation believes that science and religon are compatible…

Then that congregation will not participate in prayer…

Because prayer is scientifically proven to be a superstition.

If a congregation believes that science and religon are compatible…

Then that congregation will understand that the Bible’s creation story is a myth…

Will then extrapolate and understand that all Bible stories are myths…

Including Jesus’ miracles, resurrection and assention…

And will then abandon the Bible and the mythical Jesus.

If a congregation believes that science and religon are compatible…

Then that congregation will realize that there is zero empirical evidence for God…

And plentiful empirical evidence against God…

And will therefore discard their belief in God.

In other words, science and religion are completely incompatible. It is time to discard religion because religion is nonsense. See Why Won’t God Heal Amputees? for details.

Christianity jntb on 04 Feb 2007

The Christian Contradiction

God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Yet, the religious are compelled to send out missionaries so that others can find god. God is within each of us, but god is also everywhere, so why do I have to go and find him? Just to make sure we non-religious types don’t miss out on the fact that others have found god, the religious spend lots of money to build temples to their god so that they can go and pray to that god (even though god is everywhere and can accept prayers from all locations). Christians, in particular, wish to extol the virtues of Jesus, his teachings, his principles and to show just how much they follow Jesus (who, by the way, died for our sins). Some of the temples that Christians build are quite large and expensive. I hope god doesn’t tell Mother Theresa how much was spent. She could have fed and clothed a lot of people with all the money. Here, in the United States, we like to call the temples, megachurches. Some of these megachurches have a theme, some of them are like entering WaltDisneyWorld … you have to have a roadmap to enter so that you can figure out where to park.

How is it the teaching of Jesus to collect enormous sums of money to build such megachurches? These monuments are essentially the phallic symbols of collection plates from the Atlantic to the Pacific. How is it Christian to spend $30 million on a building and then install another $5-6 million on audio/visual equipment? Why, then, do Christians spend enormous sums for television commercials to show themselves standing next to starving Africans, a whole family of which I can feed for something like $9/month, and beg me to send them money when they just blew through $40-50 million to buy land, build a church and install a social system that does nothing for starving Africans.

Can a Christian out there, hopefully one who attends one of these megachurches, provide a good, thoughtful response to the contradiction represented by this image? (Visit the WWGHA forum link to see this photo in full as it does not reveal the whole photo in the blog layout format.)

WWGHA: The Christian Contradiction