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	<title>Comments on: Science finds a fossil. Ray Comfort (representing Christianity in general) refutes it.</title>
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		<title>By: Visser Three</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18971</link>
		<dc:creator>Visser Three</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once more, with feeling.

How do you feel about infinite regression, Horatio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once more, with feeling.</p>
<p>How do you feel about infinite regression, Horatio?</p>
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		<title>By: Visser Three</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18954</link>
		<dc:creator>Visser Three</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you feel about infinite regression, Horatio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you feel about infinite regression, Horatio?</p>
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		<title>By: Horatio</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18952</link>
		<dc:creator>Horatio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know where the universe came from.  It was created by God.  How He did it I don&#039;t know.  But I accept not knowing how with courage and curiosity.  You had me worried, I thought you might play the ol&#039; &quot;Christians ignore science&quot; fallacy.  Good to see you are a little more aware.  Plenty of congruency on this road AR, no problems here whatsoever.  Science and God do together like a hand and a glove.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know where the universe came from.  It was created by God.  How He did it I don&#8217;t know.  But I accept not knowing how with courage and curiosity.  You had me worried, I thought you might play the ol&#8217; &#8220;Christians ignore science&#8221; fallacy.  Good to see you are a little more aware.  Plenty of congruency on this road AR, no problems here whatsoever.  Science and God do together like a hand and a glove.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiRoss</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18951</link>
		<dc:creator>AntiRoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. It is harder to accept a lack of answers to every single question. It&#039;s part of being a complete human being, facing that which you don&#039;t know with courage and curiosity. 
To blindly believe something made up by primitive  people making uneducated guesses does not mean you can honestly say that you &quot;know&quot; where the universe came from. You can only say that you delude yourself into &quot;knowing&quot;.
Been there, by the way. There&#039;s a lack of congruency on that road. A lack of integrity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. It is harder to accept a lack of answers to every single question. It&#8217;s part of being a complete human being, facing that which you don&#8217;t know with courage and curiosity.<br />
To blindly believe something made up by primitive  people making uneducated guesses does not mean you can honestly say that you &#8220;know&#8221; where the universe came from. You can only say that you delude yourself into &#8220;knowing&#8221;.<br />
Been there, by the way. There&#8217;s a lack of congruency on that road. A lack of integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatio</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18946</link>
		<dc:creator>Horatio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know where the universe cam from.
I understand why things are so complex.
It is a tough one if your are atheist.
:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know where the universe cam from.<br />
I understand why things are so complex.<br />
It is a tough one if your are atheist.<br />
:)</p>
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		<title>By: AntiRoss</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18943</link>
		<dc:creator>AntiRoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It can be defended philosophically by sophists or people relatively unclear on related subjects, but it cannot provide any evidence whatsoever. 
&quot;The grand canyon is beautiful&quot; is not evidence. 
&quot;I don&#039;t understand how things are so complex&quot; is not evidence. 
&quot;I don&#039;t know where the universe came from&quot; is not evidence.

Primitive people made up stories and came up with mystical explanations of everything that they didn&#039;t understand. Many of these  ideas developed into primitive religions, and then morphed into our modern ones. 
Some people of today still believe in some of these primitive ideas and expect the rest of us to respect that, and to accept &quot;I don&#039;t know where the universe came from&quot; evidence of a supernatural being.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be defended philosophically by sophists or people relatively unclear on related subjects, but it cannot provide any evidence whatsoever.<br />
&#8220;The grand canyon is beautiful&#8221; is not evidence.<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t understand how things are so complex&#8221; is not evidence.<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t know where the universe came from&#8221; is not evidence.</p>
<p>Primitive people made up stories and came up with mystical explanations of everything that they didn&#8217;t understand. Many of these  ideas developed into primitive religions, and then morphed into our modern ones.<br />
Some people of today still believe in some of these primitive ideas and expect the rest of us to respect that, and to accept &#8220;I don&#8217;t know where the universe came from&#8221; evidence of a supernatural being.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18941</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to appeal to an authority.  Only this authority is an atheist and we differ on many povs.

I witnessed Richard Dawkins on the tube admitting that theistic evolution is a pov that could be defended.  His only qualm was to keep it out of the classroom.

Goes to show Dawkins is an honest and reasonable man even if he doesn&#039;t agree with the pov.  Others, eh, not so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to appeal to an authority.  Only this authority is an atheist and we differ on many povs.</p>
<p>I witnessed Richard Dawkins on the tube admitting that theistic evolution is a pov that could be defended.  His only qualm was to keep it out of the classroom.</p>
<p>Goes to show Dawkins is an honest and reasonable man even if he doesn&#8217;t agree with the pov.  Others, eh, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jynx</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18936</link>
		<dc:creator>Jynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boz, once again your ignorance of basic principles of logic astounds.

  As I stated earlier and in multiple posts there is a difference between legitimate use of expert testimony and the fallacious Appeal to Authority. When one violates certain clearly defined rules (available in almost any basic text on informal logic as well as presented compreshensively to anyone recieving an education in Philosophy, Law, or the Sciences) then one enters the realm of the fallacy.

  Earlier I posted:

&quot;My suspicions will be confirmed if TNT returns to accuse me of the “Appeal to Authority” fallacy for referring to the dictionary. If this occurs it will become painfully obvious TNT has no legitimate interest in discussing this matter in a reasonable manner…&quot;

  This applies to you as well. 

  Claiming I used Appeal to Authority when citing a non-controversial basic text on logic is akin to claiming I used it when citing the dictionary.

   I offered information concerning a well-documented and heavily referenced fallacy of informal logic. I explained both where TNT used it and why the statement qualified as innappropriate. I referenced a basic logic text, citing title, page number and author.

  Mr. Watkins discussion of Appeal to Authority is not controversial, there is no discernible disagreement among scholars as to how to utilize it and when. In other words, the explanation and citations I gave IS REPRESENTATIVE of expert opinion in this field (logic).  All of these things combine to demonstrate beyond any rational objection that my earlier post(s) are in no way indicative of fallacious us of Appeal to Authority.


  Any person interested in meaningful discussion could take but a few moments to confirm everything I have said above. Apparently, you simply don&#039;t wish to produce the effort neccessary to confirm my references.

  I am willing to try this one more time, however. In the interest of civility, I will provide you with more references where the Appeal to Authority is discussed exactly as I have stated above:

  Irving M. Copi &amp; Carl Cohen, Introduction to Logic (Tenth Edition) (Prentice Hall, 1998), pp. 165-166. 

  T. Edward Damer, Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments (Third Edition) (Wadsworth, 1995), pp. 31-34.

Browne, M. Neil &amp; Stuart M. Keeley. Asking the Right Questions: A Guide to Critical Thinking (Prentice Hall, 1997).

Damer. T. Edward. Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments 4th edition (Wadsworth Pub Co, 2001).


   I have been extremely generous in providing so many references. Your accusation that I have used Appeal to Authority while &quot;condemning my opponent&quot; is unfounded and ridiculous.

  I suppose I shouldn&#039;t expect much more from someone who posts things like, &quot;I won’t even get into his self-defeating arguments.&quot; If you have no wish to support your assertions then move on. I have little patience for lazy argumentation and baseless accusations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boz, once again your ignorance of basic principles of logic astounds.</p>
<p>  As I stated earlier and in multiple posts there is a difference between legitimate use of expert testimony and the fallacious Appeal to Authority. When one violates certain clearly defined rules (available in almost any basic text on informal logic as well as presented compreshensively to anyone recieving an education in Philosophy, Law, or the Sciences) then one enters the realm of the fallacy.</p>
<p>  Earlier I posted:</p>
<p>&#8220;My suspicions will be confirmed if TNT returns to accuse me of the “Appeal to Authority” fallacy for referring to the dictionary. If this occurs it will become painfully obvious TNT has no legitimate interest in discussing this matter in a reasonable manner…&#8221;</p>
<p>  This applies to you as well. </p>
<p>  Claiming I used Appeal to Authority when citing a non-controversial basic text on logic is akin to claiming I used it when citing the dictionary.</p>
<p>   I offered information concerning a well-documented and heavily referenced fallacy of informal logic. I explained both where TNT used it and why the statement qualified as innappropriate. I referenced a basic logic text, citing title, page number and author.</p>
<p>  Mr. Watkins discussion of Appeal to Authority is not controversial, there is no discernible disagreement among scholars as to how to utilize it and when. In other words, the explanation and citations I gave IS REPRESENTATIVE of expert opinion in this field (logic).  All of these things combine to demonstrate beyond any rational objection that my earlier post(s) are in no way indicative of fallacious us of Appeal to Authority.</p>
<p>  Any person interested in meaningful discussion could take but a few moments to confirm everything I have said above. Apparently, you simply don&#8217;t wish to produce the effort neccessary to confirm my references.</p>
<p>  I am willing to try this one more time, however. In the interest of civility, I will provide you with more references where the Appeal to Authority is discussed exactly as I have stated above:</p>
<p>  Irving M. Copi &amp; Carl Cohen, Introduction to Logic (Tenth Edition) (Prentice Hall, 1998), pp. 165-166. </p>
<p>  T. Edward Damer, Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments (Third Edition) (Wadsworth, 1995), pp. 31-34.</p>
<p>Browne, M. Neil &amp; Stuart M. Keeley. Asking the Right Questions: A Guide to Critical Thinking (Prentice Hall, 1997).</p>
<p>Damer. T. Edward. Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments 4th edition (Wadsworth Pub Co, 2001).</p>
<p>   I have been extremely generous in providing so many references. Your accusation that I have used Appeal to Authority while &#8220;condemning my opponent&#8221; is unfounded and ridiculous.</p>
<p>  I suppose I shouldn&#8217;t expect much more from someone who posts things like, &#8220;I won’t even get into his self-defeating arguments.&#8221; If you have no wish to support your assertions then move on. I have little patience for lazy argumentation and baseless accusations.</p>
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		<title>By: Boz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Mr. Watkins in kind enough to enumerate on one of your errors on page 224, example 7.4.&quot;

Jynx once again appeals to authority to make his point.  When your own argument can&#039;t stand alone resort to this fallcy while condemning your opponent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Watkins in kind enough to enumerate on one of your errors on page 224, example 7.4.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jynx once again appeals to authority to make his point.  When your own argument can&#8217;t stand alone resort to this fallcy while condemning your opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Loubet</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=834&#038;cpage=1#comment-18930</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Loubet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No. The OBSERVABLE universe is finite and expanding. If there&#039;s something - including &quot;other universes&quot; - existing outside it, then those &quot;other universes&quot; exist, and are - by definition - part of the universe.

The idea of a multiverse is incoherent and unnecessary given that any additional &quot;universes&quot; are contained in the word universe.

The word universe should not have a plural.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. The OBSERVABLE universe is finite and expanding. If there&#8217;s something &#8211; including &#8220;other universes&#8221; &#8211; existing outside it, then those &#8220;other universes&#8221; exist, and are &#8211; by definition &#8211; part of the universe.</p>
<p>The idea of a multiverse is incoherent and unnecessary given that any additional &#8220;universes&#8221; are contained in the word universe.</p>
<p>The word universe should not have a plural.</p>
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