27″You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

So…was the wrong the first time, or wrong later? Not a very perfect savior, changing his mind like that. Or, there’s another possibility: The Bible is nothing but gibberish.

Nugget, I don’t even know what you’re babbling about.

Easy, you can say it was a trend back in the day.. Basically, i agree that people of religion are mislead by churches as Mr. Swaggart proves. Therefore, in reference to my first statement; the laws presented in the old testament was a modern trend in those days as the majority is stated in the “Code of Hammurabi”. All types of laws and regulations were presented for people to maintain order amongst people.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM

Nevertheless, did not Jesus throw people out of His Father’s house because they were selling animals? My question is how can we blame God for people’s wrong doing?

My understanding of all this misleading information was dirived by man, not by a deity. Christians have destroyed what is the belief in a God over many of generations, but that does not leave out the rest of the religions. In conclusion, my theory along with others can state that religion displays a further line of “Man and God”.

this seems pretty harsh now a days escpecially with the arguement of grace, so…this is what Jesus said in John 8

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11″No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

This does not give us an excuse or free pass to do what ever we want,certainly not the message, but we are to leave our life of sin.

I hope Red O’Brien this answered your question,(sorry it took so long to get back to ya on it, no computer priveleges last week!!)

well…I got an essay to write thats do Tomorrow!!! Hermes I hope I get the privelege to write to you on your reply soon if it’s the Lord’s will, and same to any one else who wants to listen!!!
Love ya all
Alan Frisk

I’m afraid you’ve done what a lot of unskilled debaters do: you rambled on and said a lot of unrelated stuff, but you didn’t answer any of my questions. If you’re going to suddenly show up and criticize my questions, answer them first. It’s as if the following exchange took place:

Me: Why do you drive a gas guzzler?

You: My Hummer has blue paint and six cupholders.

Me: But it uses a lot of gas. Why do you drive it?

You: What about your Honda? Why don’t you buy American?

So, I’ll give you one more shot:

Leviticus 20:13 clearly states that gays should be put to death:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

How do you justify a Bible that condones murder for homosexuality? That, of course, is just one of many barbaric aspects of the Bible. But for starters, let’s talk about just this one aspect.

“Based on a careful assessment of the most recent survey data available, we find that somewhere between 500,000,000 and 750,000,000 humans currently do not believe in God. Such figures render any suggestion that theism is innate or neurologically based untenable… High levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism.” — Phil Zuckerman

Video interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9vc7v7em_4

Society without God: What the Least Religious Nations Can Tell Us About Contentment
http://www.amazon.com/Society-without-God-Religious-Contentment/dp/0814797148/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225283258&sr=1-1

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=1990.msg40778#msg40778

Alan, a little dramatic don’t you think? After all, nobody gets upset about Zeus existing … yet nobody has disproved Him (Zeus). Of course your god God exists … just as Zeus does.

As for ‘hopeless, wretched’ go tell that to the godless Scandinavians. Happy. Low crime. High education. High estimation on personal well being. Very low % with beliefs in a supernatural deity of any kind.

Don’t believe me? Do your own research;

General: http://nationmaster.com
Religion: http://adherents.com

Sure, you could cherry pick the statistics to say whatever you want … but look at the trend across multiple countries.

Romans 10:4″Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”

Romans 6:14″For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.”

Galations 5:3-4 ” Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

These versus not only show how God’s grace is enough to save us and how through faith we’re saved (along with the life we live) in that the law’s step by step rituals is not what brings us salvations. Only through Jesus are we saved! This verse is the verse I stand on for what I just said

Romans 13:8-10″Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. ”
Another conversation is, Which laws did Jesus say were not bound to any longer? There we’re three categories of laws:ceremonial,civil, and moral. Ceremonial law was originally related to the Israel’s worship. these laws were mainly made to point forward to Jesus Christ, therefore, these laws were no longer necessary after Jesus’ death and resurrection. Though no longer obligated to uphold these laws, the principles-to worship and love a holy God-still apply.

The civil law applied to daily living in Israel. Though each and every guideline taught back then in their time, cannot be followed specifically due to the time and setting, the principles behind the commands are timeless and should guide our daily ways of living. Jesus demonstrated these priciples by example.

And lastly the moral law “the Ten Commandments” is the direct command of God and it requires strict obedience. The moral law reveals the will and nature of God and it still applies today. Jesus obeyed the moral law completely!

I pray that these things I’ve written will help clarify any questions or misunderstandings any one has on these issues, I am greatful to God our Father that he has let me have an opportunity,such as, this to write about my beliefs in Him to the best of my understanding.God loves each and every one of us the same no matter what we do, but in the end so few will enter through those pearly gates I pray that God will work in each and every one of our lives to do his will! In brotherly love

Alan Frisk