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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15460</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hermes, you grow away from God.&quot;

Would you say that to me if I told you I was a Hindu or a Buddhist?

&quot;Majority of doctors all around see this breakthrough as a miracle of God. You prove nothing with this statement. Sorry, even people thank God for this breakthrough in medicine.&quot;

If this is a miracle of your deity, then bad things that happen are also miracles of your deity.

&quot;Accordings to you, We do not need a God?&quot;

Need or not, I see no evidence of any deity -- just assertions.

If I did see evidence, and that was more compelling, I&#039;m not one to reject reality.

That said, there are two plausible deities that I have no objections to; the god of the Deists (or lower cased d deists) and pantheists.

In both cases, reality does not contradict the claims of either group.  That those claims are not supported positively makes deists and pantheist positions kinda like adding food coloring to water.

&quot;The God that i believe in teaches me through His words you are able to be revived and begin a second chance at life, simply what your video is trying to prove but through a breakthorugh of human matters, which the majority of people of this era thank God for this.&quot;

You and others can believe what you want.  Reality isn&#039;t a democracy, though.  If you have proof that it is the work of your deity, go for it.  If not, and we are left with hard working people doing the job, then we must thank them for the hard work or we are snubbing them inappropriately.

&quot; â€œAtheist may say this is ignorance of the peopleâ€(paraphrase) But now Atheists believe in facts or statistics, right? Isnâ€™t that the 2/3 of doctors believe that they have seen miracles with their patients?&quot;

Who are you paraphrasing?

&quot;As for accidents or careless mistakes, i was just simply implying that people â€œbump their headsâ€ as a little child would and expect their parents(God) to take away the pain, while the little child cries.&quot;

Parents aren&#039;t omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.  They are human.  Do you want me to flesh out this analogy?  :/

(If you do not consider your deity to be all three, that&#039;s fine.  I think you have strong support for that position in the Bible.)

&quot; -What i do claim is that there is a misunderstanding with what the Bible says and people interpretations.-&quot;

That I agree with.  I&#039;d add that very few people have a good understanding of it in depth.  

Off hand, I&#039;d say that Karen Armstrong (a former nun(?)) might be qualified enough to put it all in context.  She has a series of books on religion, religions, and religious figures.  Her book on Buddha was quite informative, making me want to look at some of her other works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hermes, you grow away from God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you say that to me if I told you I was a Hindu or a Buddhist?</p>
<p>&#8220;Majority of doctors all around see this breakthrough as a miracle of God. You prove nothing with this statement. Sorry, even people thank God for this breakthrough in medicine.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is a miracle of your deity, then bad things that happen are also miracles of your deity.</p>
<p>&#8220;Accordings to you, We do not need a God?&#8221;</p>
<p>Need or not, I see no evidence of any deity &#8212; just assertions.</p>
<p>If I did see evidence, and that was more compelling, I&#8217;m not one to reject reality.</p>
<p>That said, there are two plausible deities that I have no objections to; the god of the Deists (or lower cased d deists) and pantheists.</p>
<p>In both cases, reality does not contradict the claims of either group.  That those claims are not supported positively makes deists and pantheist positions kinda like adding food coloring to water.</p>
<p>&#8220;The God that i believe in teaches me through His words you are able to be revived and begin a second chance at life, simply what your video is trying to prove but through a breakthorugh of human matters, which the majority of people of this era thank God for this.&#8221;</p>
<p>You and others can believe what you want.  Reality isn&#8217;t a democracy, though.  If you have proof that it is the work of your deity, go for it.  If not, and we are left with hard working people doing the job, then we must thank them for the hard work or we are snubbing them inappropriately.</p>
<p>&#8221; â€œAtheist may say this is ignorance of the peopleâ€(paraphrase) But now Atheists believe in facts or statistics, right? Isnâ€™t that the 2/3 of doctors believe that they have seen miracles with their patients?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who are you paraphrasing?</p>
<p>&#8220;As for accidents or careless mistakes, i was just simply implying that people â€œbump their headsâ€ as a little child would and expect their parents(God) to take away the pain, while the little child cries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Parents aren&#8217;t omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.  They are human.  Do you want me to flesh out this analogy?  :/</p>
<p>(If you do not consider your deity to be all three, that&#8217;s fine.  I think you have strong support for that position in the Bible.)</p>
<p>&#8221; -What i do claim is that there is a misunderstanding with what the Bible says and people interpretations.-&#8221;</p>
<p>That I agree with.  I&#8217;d add that very few people have a good understanding of it in depth.  </p>
<p>Off hand, I&#8217;d say that Karen Armstrong (a former nun(?)) might be qualified enough to put it all in context.  She has a series of books on religion, religions, and religious figures.  Her book on Buddha was quite informative, making me want to look at some of her other works.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15456</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Off topic, the calendars examples was to show you that there is no argument with the difference of Babylonian and Hebrew timeline. The information that provided was to show you that. 

A common share that the common world can agree on is that noah&#039;s ark was found, regardless of the world&#039;s calendars. If i recall from my studies, the region of Hebrew culture consist to fall on Babylonian territory or Sumertian territory or Canaanite territory or blah, blah, blah. I never said it has or hasn&#039;t evolved, that&#039;s another topic. Yes, we can share or agree on stories were shared through out the world. Now, how many interpretations were there? impossible to find out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, the calendars examples was to show you that there is no argument with the difference of Babylonian and Hebrew timeline. The information that provided was to show you that. </p>
<p>A common share that the common world can agree on is that noah&#8217;s ark was found, regardless of the world&#8217;s calendars. If i recall from my studies, the region of Hebrew culture consist to fall on Babylonian territory or Sumertian territory or Canaanite territory or blah, blah, blah. I never said it has or hasn&#8217;t evolved, that&#8217;s another topic. Yes, we can share or agree on stories were shared through out the world. Now, how many interpretations were there? impossible to find out.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15454</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hermes, you grow away from God. Majority of doctors all around see this breakthrough as a miracle of God. You prove nothing with this statement. Sorry, even people thank God for this breakthrough in medicine. Accordings to you, We do not need a God? The God that i believe in teaches me through His words you are able to be revived and begin a second chance at life, simply what your video is trying to prove but through a breakthorugh of human matters, which the majority of people of this era thank God for this.. &quot;Atheist may say this is ignorance of the people&quot;(paraphrase) But now Atheists believe in facts or statistics, right? Isn&#039;t that the 2/3 of doctors believe that they have seen miracles with their patients? 

As for accidents or careless mistakes, i was just simply implying that people &quot;bump their heads&quot; as a little child would and expect their parents(God) to take away the pain, while the little child cries

. -What i do claim is that there is a misunderstanding with what the Bible says and people interpretations.-]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hermes, you grow away from God. Majority of doctors all around see this breakthrough as a miracle of God. You prove nothing with this statement. Sorry, even people thank God for this breakthrough in medicine. Accordings to you, We do not need a God? The God that i believe in teaches me through His words you are able to be revived and begin a second chance at life, simply what your video is trying to prove but through a breakthorugh of human matters, which the majority of people of this era thank God for this.. &#8220;Atheist may say this is ignorance of the people&#8221;(paraphrase) But now Atheists believe in facts or statistics, right? Isn&#8217;t that the 2/3 of doctors believe that they have seen miracles with their patients? </p>
<p>As for accidents or careless mistakes, i was just simply implying that people &#8220;bump their heads&#8221; as a little child would and expect their parents(God) to take away the pain, while the little child cries</p>
<p>. -What i do claim is that there is a misunderstanding with what the Bible says and people interpretations.-</p>
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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15450</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Briefly, as this is way off topic. 

Calendars through time have changed.  Does that mean that the world gets reset or that different places are in different time bubbles?  Of course not.

But, that&#039;s not the point, is it?  If you can&#039;t entertain the possibility that precursors to stories in the Bible exist in other cultures, what&#039;s the point of discussing these things as if we share a common world?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briefly, as this is way off topic. </p>
<p>Calendars through time have changed.  Does that mean that the world gets reset or that different places are in different time bubbles?  Of course not.</p>
<p>But, that&#8217;s not the point, is it?  If you can&#8217;t entertain the possibility that precursors to stories in the Bible exist in other cultures, what&#8217;s the point of discussing these things as if we share a common world?</p>
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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15449</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;However, motorcycle accidents and war accidents that lead to this result, people were advised of the good and bad before they proceeded with buying a motorcycle or going to war.&quot;

Then we agree, in part.  People take responsibility for their own actions.  On top of that, life is dangerous.  Even doing nothing can be dangerous.  So, not exercising will kill you ... but you could also slip at the gym and break your neck.   

Yet, where your comment jumps the shark is using personal responsibility as an excuse for why the Bible says one thing and reality shows us something else.

Humans heal amputees.  We see this.

Gods don&#039;t heal amputees.  We see ... nothing.

The question of this web site is there as it draws a clear line.  On one side, there are claims.  On the other side, there is reality.  

So, is the most reasonable thing to blame the gods (as the disproof of thousands to millions has not been provided), or does reality point to the likelyhood that supernatural things don&#039;t happen -- and that by extention there aren&#039;t any gods to blame for the good and bad things in the world?

Sometimes the victim had responsibility.  Sometimes the victim is a victim.  No gods necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, motorcycle accidents and war accidents that lead to this result, people were advised of the good and bad before they proceeded with buying a motorcycle or going to war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then we agree, in part.  People take responsibility for their own actions.  On top of that, life is dangerous.  Even doing nothing can be dangerous.  So, not exercising will kill you &#8230; but you could also slip at the gym and break your neck.   </p>
<p>Yet, where your comment jumps the shark is using personal responsibility as an excuse for why the Bible says one thing and reality shows us something else.</p>
<p>Humans heal amputees.  We see this.</p>
<p>Gods don&#8217;t heal amputees.  We see &#8230; nothing.</p>
<p>The question of this web site is there as it draws a clear line.  On one side, there are claims.  On the other side, there is reality.  </p>
<p>So, is the most reasonable thing to blame the gods (as the disproof of thousands to millions has not been provided), or does reality point to the likelyhood that supernatural things don&#8217;t happen &#8212; and that by extention there aren&#8217;t any gods to blame for the good and bad things in the world?</p>
<p>Sometimes the victim had responsibility.  Sometimes the victim is a victim.  No gods necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Hermes</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15448</link>
		<dc:creator>Hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nugget: Post #40.  No offence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nugget: Post #40.  No offence.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15445</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reference to the calendars, its consists of massive information...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar
Pretty old video, but whatever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reference to the calendars, its consists of massive information&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar</a><br />
Pretty old video, but whatever&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15444</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my fault on the previous two comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my fault on the previous two comments.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15443</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, the epic of Gilgamesh had a different type of calendar not similar to the Hebrew calendar. The Hebrew calendar had a Lunisolar calendar that consists a new month to be born on a new moon. There is no evidence on what day that moon became new or the Hebrew definition for a &quot;new moon&quot; and vice-versa. Therefore, the discussion as the flood was recorded 600 years before the biblical timeline can&#039;t be discussed because there is not enough sufficient evidence to state that. Although, they are similar in some aspects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the epic of Gilgamesh had a different type of calendar not similar to the Hebrew calendar. The Hebrew calendar had a Lunisolar calendar that consists a new month to be born on a new moon. There is no evidence on what day that moon became new or the Hebrew definition for a &#8220;new moon&#8221; and vice-versa. Therefore, the discussion as the flood was recorded 600 years before the biblical timeline can&#8217;t be discussed because there is not enough sufficient evidence to state that. Although, they are similar in some aspects.</p>
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		<title>By: nugget</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-15442</link>
		<dc:creator>nugget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, the epic of Gilgamesh had a different type of calendar not similar to the Hebrew calendar. The Hebrew calendar had a Lunisolar calendar that consists a new month to be born on a new moon. There is no evidence on what day that moon became new or the Hebrew definition for a &quot;new moon&quot; and vice-versa. Therefore, the discussion as the flood was recorded 600 years before the biblical timeline can&#039;t be discussed because there is not enough sufficient evidence to state that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the epic of Gilgamesh had a different type of calendar not similar to the Hebrew calendar. The Hebrew calendar had a Lunisolar calendar that consists a new month to be born on a new moon. There is no evidence on what day that moon became new or the Hebrew definition for a &#8220;new moon&#8221; and vice-versa. Therefore, the discussion as the flood was recorded 600 years before the biblical timeline can&#8217;t be discussed because there is not enough sufficient evidence to state that.</p>
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