“Non, until I mentioned The flying shoe thing, you had no belief about flying shoes. You were Aflyingshoeists. After the claim about flying shoes you are still an Aflyingshoeist, but now one with a belief that flying shoes are a falsehood.”

I tried that same approach before. They either don’t get it or they refuse to admit that everyone is born an atheist.

I have a belief that while I am asleep and there are no recording devices present that my shoes do not fly around the room. You might even call it I have faith in non-flying shoes.

And if you do, so what? You are really really stretching the definition of belief and faith. The belief in non-flying shoes is not the equal to the belief shoes fly around the room while I am asleep. Both may be claims, for sure. However the claim, the claim that violates what we see and can test, is the one that has the burden of proof.

Non, until I mentioned The flying shoe thing, you had no belief about flying shoes. You were Aflyingshoeists. After the claim about flying shoes you are still an Aflyingshoeist, but now one with a belief that flying shoes are a falsehood.

Atheism is similar. The Atheism we had as a baby is very different than the atheism we have as adults. Adult Atheism is a belief that things operate as they appear without the need for gods If you belief that there is an invisible force making things operate differently, the burden of proof is on you. Many time through the ages of man has this been demostrated, Gravity being an excellent example. The burden of proof was on the claimant, and they met that burden of proof. Similarly many other such theories have come and gone, and those that have been proven have been added to the sum knowlege of man. Man seem to gain some currency, and when proof was not forthcoming, they were dropped and mostly forgotten, Ether theory for instance.

So while you argue whether Atheism is truly a beleif by semantic games, it is just obsfucation.

Or just as crazy as information coming from non-information, aliens planting life on earth, consciousness from non-conscious…

Yep… all religions require faith… you are just too blind as the rest of us to see the flaws in your own faith apparently…

“no where…”

Then why dance around it? Simply say that creationism is nonsense, along with all the rest of wacky religious ideas – virgin birth, afterlife, gods…

You seem to think that the wacky religious ideas that you believe are not nonsense, but they are just as nonsensical as young earth creationism or any other form of creationism.

“I also don’t think young earth creation should be taught in schools.”

Really? Then where should it be taught?