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		<title>By: Dimms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“THE ONUS?”

This is the most emotive, unscientific, irrational monologue for atheism I’ve seen and heard in a while! Please answer the questions below intelligently and NOT EMOTIVELY.  (I want rational answers, NOT atheist rhetoric and abuse). Preferably, I would like the person who created this video to respond. (I hope, within the worldview of secular democracy, I can make such requests). Quotes below are extracted from the above video.

“It will become clear to you that your belief in God is delusional”? Really? How clear? Watch this treatise (Naturalism can be just as “delusional”  or a “leap of faith” within an evolutionary worldview): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbjp9PrtPS8

“Harm us as a species”?, Hurting us as a species? How do you define “harm” on atheism?

“The hope is that you will start healing your delusion”? Are you a psychiatric health professional to make such diagnoses? Please demonstrate from credible extant psychiatric authority, that belief in god is pathology.

“With each healing we make our world a better place”? This sounds highly emotive and irrational. Please define a “better place”. Be careful here, you may sound religious! It is hard to define “a better place” within a worldview which asserts there is no moral absolutes! Or are you claiming there are “moral absolutes” in this statement? If so, on what basis? Please consider intelligently this debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ 
Here you are also making the claim of psychiatric pathology and diagnosis – on what authority? The DSM-4 perhaps? Please outline your authority to make such claims.

“A normal intelligent person”? – please define a “normal intelligent person”. On what cognitive framework do you make such claims of intelligence?

“Radically devalues human life”? Really? Does Christian theology, really devalue human life in such absolute terms? (this assertion belies a bad reading of history and Christian theology) Moreover, what, on atheism, is the value of the human species? Please watch how Sam Harris inadequately tries to affirm the “value” of humans and human morality within atheism in this debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ

“The belief in heaven is delusional”? – really? On what diagnostic criteria?

“The future of our species”? – this sounds highly teleological. How would you define, within your atheist mythology, what the ideal “future” of the species is, when atheistic evolution does not strictly allow for teleological/purpose claims? (Teleology is not built into the evolutionary, atheistic worldview)

“Your irrationality”? Please define “irrationality” within an atheistic worldview. And, furthermore, what is my “moral duty” that I “ought to” behave within your framework of “rationality”. Your impositions and claims are starting to sound very “religious”!

“Help you recover from your delusion”? – Again, “delusion” implies a psychological pathology. Please display your credentials to make such diagnoses. Moreover, in what position do you situate yourself that you can “help” an individual suffering from this malady of “delusion”? Are you suffering from a “messiah complex”? Please save this highly evolved ape from its malady! Otherwise, I am damned! (hold on, damned to what!?.... oh yeah, the atheist’s arbitrary judgements!)

“Every study shows prayer is a superstition”? – Which studies? Please reference them. Are they studies which critique a robust exegesis and hermeneutics of New Testament theology on prayer, OR are they used as an attack on a “straw man  Christianity” grounded in the theology of the “Word-Faith Movement”? It is easy to deconstruct your own construct of “the enemy”.

“Normal, healthy, human being”? – On your own worldview, what is a “normal, healthy human being”? – again, be careful, because your answer will imply a teleological projection, which a strict atheist worldview does not seem to allow.

“You can begin your healing journey now”?  - Wow, you are starting to sound like an authoritative faith healer! – On what authority do you make this claim? What is the ideal state of health I OUGHT to attain, if indeed, I am sick. (according to your presentation I am “sick” as a Christian theist)

“A normal, healthy human being”? – again, a huge authoritative claim! Please define normal and healthy. Are you a health care professional? As a Christian theist, I am currently defined by accredited health care authorities as “normal” and “healthy”. Do you have some higher insight? On what authority do you make such claims of “health” and “normal” external of your atheist rhetoric? Be careful not to sound like a cult leader in your answer! You are starting to sound like the “ONE” who can save me!

Final question: This word view thesis of the “delusional bubble”, if true, should also be applied to the “atheist bubble of delusion”, since atheism is also a worldview construct. When are you going to be intellectually consisted and analyse your own “delusion” and create a similar video?

Thank you, genuinely, for the free discourse this site affords.

Please ANSWER these inquiries from a thinking theist. After all, I am the person you are proselytising.

Regards]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“THE ONUS?”</p>
<p>This is the most emotive, unscientific, irrational monologue for atheism I’ve seen and heard in a while! Please answer the questions below intelligently and NOT EMOTIVELY.  (I want rational answers, NOT atheist rhetoric and abuse). Preferably, I would like the person who created this video to respond. (I hope, within the worldview of secular democracy, I can make such requests). Quotes below are extracted from the above video.</p>
<p>“It will become clear to you that your belief in God is delusional”? Really? How clear? Watch this treatise (Naturalism can be just as “delusional”  or a “leap of faith” within an evolutionary worldview): <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbjp9PrtPS8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbjp9PrtPS8</a></p>
<p>“Harm us as a species”?, Hurting us as a species? How do you define “harm” on atheism?</p>
<p>“The hope is that you will start healing your delusion”? Are you a psychiatric health professional to make such diagnoses? Please demonstrate from credible extant psychiatric authority, that belief in god is pathology.</p>
<p>“With each healing we make our world a better place”? This sounds highly emotive and irrational. Please define a “better place”. Be careful here, you may sound religious! It is hard to define “a better place” within a worldview which asserts there is no moral absolutes! Or are you claiming there are “moral absolutes” in this statement? If so, on what basis? Please consider intelligently this debate: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ</a><br />
Here you are also making the claim of psychiatric pathology and diagnosis – on what authority? The DSM-4 perhaps? Please outline your authority to make such claims.</p>
<p>“A normal intelligent person”? – please define a “normal intelligent person”. On what cognitive framework do you make such claims of intelligence?</p>
<p>“Radically devalues human life”? Really? Does Christian theology, really devalue human life in such absolute terms? (this assertion belies a bad reading of history and Christian theology) Moreover, what, on atheism, is the value of the human species? Please watch how Sam Harris inadequately tries to affirm the “value” of humans and human morality within atheism in this debate: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ</a></p>
<p>“The belief in heaven is delusional”? – really? On what diagnostic criteria?</p>
<p>“The future of our species”? – this sounds highly teleological. How would you define, within your atheist mythology, what the ideal “future” of the species is, when atheistic evolution does not strictly allow for teleological/purpose claims? (Teleology is not built into the evolutionary, atheistic worldview)</p>
<p>“Your irrationality”? Please define “irrationality” within an atheistic worldview. And, furthermore, what is my “moral duty” that I “ought to” behave within your framework of “rationality”. Your impositions and claims are starting to sound very “religious”!</p>
<p>“Help you recover from your delusion”? – Again, “delusion” implies a psychological pathology. Please display your credentials to make such diagnoses. Moreover, in what position do you situate yourself that you can “help” an individual suffering from this malady of “delusion”? Are you suffering from a “messiah complex”? Please save this highly evolved ape from its malady! Otherwise, I am damned! (hold on, damned to what!?&#8230;. oh yeah, the atheist’s arbitrary judgements!)</p>
<p>“Every study shows prayer is a superstition”? – Which studies? Please reference them. Are they studies which critique a robust exegesis and hermeneutics of New Testament theology on prayer, OR are they used as an attack on a “straw man  Christianity” grounded in the theology of the “Word-Faith Movement”? It is easy to deconstruct your own construct of “the enemy”.</p>
<p>“Normal, healthy, human being”? – On your own worldview, what is a “normal, healthy human being”? – again, be careful, because your answer will imply a teleological projection, which a strict atheist worldview does not seem to allow.</p>
<p>“You can begin your healing journey now”?  &#8211; Wow, you are starting to sound like an authoritative faith healer! – On what authority do you make this claim? What is the ideal state of health I OUGHT to attain, if indeed, I am sick. (according to your presentation I am “sick” as a Christian theist)</p>
<p>“A normal, healthy human being”? – again, a huge authoritative claim! Please define normal and healthy. Are you a health care professional? As a Christian theist, I am currently defined by accredited health care authorities as “normal” and “healthy”. Do you have some higher insight? On what authority do you make such claims of “health” and “normal” external of your atheist rhetoric? Be careful not to sound like a cult leader in your answer! You are starting to sound like the “ONE” who can save me!</p>
<p>Final question: This word view thesis of the “delusional bubble”, if true, should also be applied to the “atheist bubble of delusion”, since atheism is also a worldview construct. When are you going to be intellectually consisted and analyse your own “delusion” and create a similar video?</p>
<p>Thank you, genuinely, for the free discourse this site affords.</p>
<p>Please ANSWER these inquiries from a thinking theist. After all, I am the person you are proselytising.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Udaybhanu Chitrakar</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30074</link>
		<dc:creator>Udaybhanu Chitrakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In olden-golden days the saying was: When there was nothing, there was God. When there will be nothing again, there will still be God.
But then came the scientists and changed everything. The above saying also changed to this: When there was nothing, there were quantum laws. When there will be nothing again, there will still be quantum laws.
These quantum laws are spaceless, timeless, changeless, eternal, all-pervading, unborn, uncreated and immaterial. Only that these laws lack consciousness.
These quantum laws are spaceless, timeless and immaterial, because when there was no space, no time and no matter, there were still these quantum laws. (Vilenkin’s model)
These quantum laws are all-pervading, because these laws act equally everywhere.
Quantum laws are scientists&#039; God, unborn, uncreated.
Amen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In olden-golden days the saying was: When there was nothing, there was God. When there will be nothing again, there will still be God.<br />
But then came the scientists and changed everything. The above saying also changed to this: When there was nothing, there were quantum laws. When there will be nothing again, there will still be quantum laws.<br />
These quantum laws are spaceless, timeless, changeless, eternal, all-pervading, unborn, uncreated and immaterial. Only that these laws lack consciousness.<br />
These quantum laws are spaceless, timeless and immaterial, because when there was no space, no time and no matter, there were still these quantum laws. (Vilenkin’s model)<br />
These quantum laws are all-pervading, because these laws act equally everywhere.<br />
Quantum laws are scientists&#8217; God, unborn, uncreated.<br />
Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: notfiveo</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30069</link>
		<dc:creator>notfiveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a child’s gibberish. How is it that some seeming intelligent people can put aside common sense and science to regress into some imaginary non-existent dimension of a child’s imagination and perceive themselves as carrying on an intelligent conversation without ever proving their claims?  Simplistic head noders of the church of regressive knowledge. Why is praying [begging] always after the fact, did the all knowing god not already know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a child’s gibberish. How is it that some seeming intelligent people can put aside common sense and science to regress into some imaginary non-existent dimension of a child’s imagination and perceive themselves as carrying on an intelligent conversation without ever proving their claims?  Simplistic head noders of the church of regressive knowledge. Why is praying [begging] always after the fact, did the all knowing god not already know?</p>
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		<title>By: Suresh</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30046</link>
		<dc:creator>Suresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Matter what you say and try your best to prove your points to discreadit God&#039;s power, His love for whole world. 

He is God and Jesus is living Savior. He do answers our prayers and it is true that one day He will come with His glory and reign with everlasting peace.

Our rejection of God&#039;s existance do not change Him or do not make less powerful.

Science has very limited power to prove God wrong, But God is powerful and all knowing God who has time to time proved to human that the secience has its limits and no way can control God&#039;s existance and His presence.

I totally believe in Him and do believe that Jesus is the way and truth and life. His words are true.

God is good in Him we have everlasting life]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Matter what you say and try your best to prove your points to discreadit God&#8217;s power, His love for whole world. </p>
<p>He is God and Jesus is living Savior. He do answers our prayers and it is true that one day He will come with His glory and reign with everlasting peace.</p>
<p>Our rejection of God&#8217;s existance do not change Him or do not make less powerful.</p>
<p>Science has very limited power to prove God wrong, But God is powerful and all knowing God who has time to time proved to human that the secience has its limits and no way can control God&#8217;s existance and His presence.</p>
<p>I totally believe in Him and do believe that Jesus is the way and truth and life. His words are true.</p>
<p>God is good in Him we have everlasting life</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30021</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bet all of you have been arguing the same points over and over again for years.its really quite pathetic   ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet all of you have been arguing the same points over and over again for years.its really quite pathetic   ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30017</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of you, please google +Horatio and +Clausewitz, and read a little about them.

Ignoring the common writing errors, isn&#039;t it too much of coincidence that Claus suddenly appears, supporting and defending Hor&#039;s Harris misquote without being the same person?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you, please google +Horatio and +Clausewitz, and read a little about them.</p>
<p>Ignoring the common writing errors, isn&#8217;t it too much of coincidence that Claus suddenly appears, supporting and defending Hor&#8217;s Harris misquote without being the same person?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30016</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[51.Horatiio said …

&quot;Is this all you have now Lou? 

No he didn’t and Horatiio is another poster?&quot;

Can someone translate that?

&quot;Reds are the Chinese and gulags are from the Soviets so where you connect Lenin and Stalin is in your little mind.&quot;

WTF? Have you started your weekend early with a strong cocktail? You moron, I didn&#039;t connect those things with each other.

&quot;Pryor and Claus make great points so maybe that is why you think they are me.&quot;

WHAT? PRYOR?! Did I write that I thought Pryor was you? NO! I DID NOT. So, apparently you are also Pryor? You fool, now you really slipped-up. All liars eventually do. Hmmm, lets check something that Pryor wrote -

34.Pryor said …

&quot;That is the methodologies of Stalin and Mao&quot;

VERY SIMILAR to what Hor and Claus wrote while attacking Harris in defense of Hor&#039;s original misquote.

&quot;I have always though Lou, DPK and Severin were the same poster. Still do&quot;

Here you again, lying to cover your ass. Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole.

&quot;Have a great week boys.&quot;

Week? On Friday most people wish a great WEEKEND. Go easy on the cocktails.

Hor/Claus (and now Pryor?), have a great WEEKEND.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51.Horatiio said …</p>
<p>&#8220;Is this all you have now Lou? </p>
<p>No he didn’t and Horatiio is another poster?&#8221;</p>
<p>Can someone translate that?</p>
<p>&#8220;Reds are the Chinese and gulags are from the Soviets so where you connect Lenin and Stalin is in your little mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF? Have you started your weekend early with a strong cocktail? You moron, I didn&#8217;t connect those things with each other.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pryor and Claus make great points so maybe that is why you think they are me.&#8221;</p>
<p>WHAT? PRYOR?! Did I write that I thought Pryor was you? NO! I DID NOT. So, apparently you are also Pryor? You fool, now you really slipped-up. All liars eventually do. Hmmm, lets check something that Pryor wrote -</p>
<p>34.Pryor said …</p>
<p>&#8220;That is the methodologies of Stalin and Mao&#8221;</p>
<p>VERY SIMILAR to what Hor and Claus wrote while attacking Harris in defense of Hor&#8217;s original misquote.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have always though Lou, DPK and Severin were the same poster. Still do&#8221;</p>
<p>Here you again, lying to cover your ass. Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole.</p>
<p>&#8220;Have a great week boys.&#8221;</p>
<p>Week? On Friday most people wish a great WEEKEND. Go easy on the cocktails.</p>
<p>Hor/Claus (and now Pryor?), have a great WEEKEND.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiio</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30015</link>
		<dc:creator>Horatiio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL!!

Is this all you have now Lou?  

No he didn&#039;t and Horatiio is another poster?

Reds are the Chinese and gulags are from the Soviets so where you connect Lenin and Stalin is in your little mind.

Pryor and Claus make great points so maybe that is why you think they are me.

LOL!

I have always though Lou, DPK and Severin were the same poster.  Still do

Have a great week boys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!!</p>
<p>Is this all you have now Lou?  </p>
<p>No he didn&#8217;t and Horatiio is another poster?</p>
<p>Reds are the Chinese and gulags are from the Soviets so where you connect Lenin and Stalin is in your little mind.</p>
<p>Pryor and Claus make great points so maybe that is why you think they are me.</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
<p>I have always though Lou, DPK and Severin were the same poster.  Still do</p>
<p>Have a great week boys.</p>
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		<title>By: nony mouse</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30014</link>
		<dc:creator>nony mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meanwhile Horatiio is back on his old hobby-horse. Instead of providing evidence for the existence of this god of his, he attacks Sam Harris. 

Question: What evidence has Horatiio ever produced for the existence of his imaginary friend, or does he always change the subject when pressed for an answer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile Horatiio is back on his old hobby-horse. Instead of providing evidence for the existence of this god of his, he attacks Sam Harris. </p>
<p>Question: What evidence has Horatiio ever produced for the existence of his imaginary friend, or does he always change the subject when pressed for an answer?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1965&#038;cpage=1#comment-30013</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do any of you literary enthusiasts see the connection between Horatio and Clausewitz?

Not only do Hor and Claus make the same writing error, but they have a &quot;literary connection.&quot; Coincidence?

And there&#039;s this:

29.Horatiio said …

&quot;That is why we had the gulags and the Reds murdering babies.&quot;

47.Clausewitz said …

&quot;This is not new Lenin and then Stalin did the same thing.&quot;

Hor, you can&#039;t defend your Harris misquote by inventing a new pseudonym to defend and agree with you. You&#039;re a transparent liar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do any of you literary enthusiasts see the connection between Horatio and Clausewitz?</p>
<p>Not only do Hor and Claus make the same writing error, but they have a &#8220;literary connection.&#8221; Coincidence?</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s this:</p>
<p>29.Horatiio said …</p>
<p>&#8220;That is why we had the gulags and the Reds murdering babies.&#8221;</p>
<p>47.Clausewitz said …</p>
<p>&#8220;This is not new Lenin and then Stalin did the same thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hor, you can&#8217;t defend your Harris misquote by inventing a new pseudonym to defend and agree with you. You&#8217;re a transparent liar.</p>
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