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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15257</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what question?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what question?</p>
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		<title>By: lil tom</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15255</link>
		<dc:creator>lil tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[steveK, why do you ignore the question?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steveK, why do you ignore the question?</p>
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		<title>By: lil tom</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15210</link>
		<dc:creator>lil tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow. you&#039;re a funny guy, ray. I gotta hand it to you. you sure can keep a straight face while delivering some serious humor.

thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. you&#8217;re a funny guy, ray. I gotta hand it to you. you sure can keep a straight face while delivering some serious humor.</p>
<p>thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray of Happiness</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15177</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray of Happiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tom,

    This is not a joke, this is what you will know one day
as you evolve spiritually. But many children of GOD, even the  christians are not willing or prepare to accept of this truth. Mainly due to Human ego and Selfishness. And please also know that everything is GOD, even Atheism is ! GOD plans is to put you thru many tests, trials, ideas so for you to realize and see what you actually are. You may understand this as evolution. And that you also know GOD never forsake anyone.

    This entire website is asking Why GOD didn&#039;t heal amputees, So the answer to this web site is.

    GOD treat everything as equal. And there is a honest question here. Did you amputated or assisted in amputating any thing before ? eg you amputated plants ?, animals ?, fish ? how about chicken chops ? meat ? When they cry and they afraid, do you care a damn on them ? They scream, but they cannot talk, and what you do ? you just cut, cold heartly.

    So this direct effect of you (which is part of GOD), resulting the similarity effect of those torturings in the world such as wars, killings and amputees... etc which is what you (part of GOD) did to yourself due to Ignorance (blind by your human little ego). Eg the example I gave
which is due to you do not attain GOD consciousness you cut your left hand with right hand and now you ask why my body is bleeding ?! Why there is so much war, insecurity ! You killed so many animals a day in US itself, do you think that has no effect on you (which is part of GOD) ?

    And now you make a website and ask WHY GOD DIDN&#039;T HEAL AMPUTEES ! How sarcastic is that ! you know under no conditions GOD with GOD consciousness will harm any beings ! the Truth is profound and it is bitter too, and you should stop blaming GOD. Look at yourself, see what you do, what you eat, what you speak, what you think everyday and multiply that by hundreds and millionths.. and tell me  is the present world conditions is not matching what you all did everyday !?


Do you really want a peace world ? a heaven on earth ? Dear my little human children ?


Sincerely,
Ray of Happiness]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>    This is not a joke, this is what you will know one day<br />
as you evolve spiritually. But many children of GOD, even the  christians are not willing or prepare to accept of this truth. Mainly due to Human ego and Selfishness. And please also know that everything is GOD, even Atheism is ! GOD plans is to put you thru many tests, trials, ideas so for you to realize and see what you actually are. You may understand this as evolution. And that you also know GOD never forsake anyone.</p>
<p>    This entire website is asking Why GOD didn&#8217;t heal amputees, So the answer to this web site is.</p>
<p>    GOD treat everything as equal. And there is a honest question here. Did you amputated or assisted in amputating any thing before ? eg you amputated plants ?, animals ?, fish ? how about chicken chops ? meat ? When they cry and they afraid, do you care a damn on them ? They scream, but they cannot talk, and what you do ? you just cut, cold heartly.</p>
<p>    So this direct effect of you (which is part of GOD), resulting the similarity effect of those torturings in the world such as wars, killings and amputees&#8230; etc which is what you (part of GOD) did to yourself due to Ignorance (blind by your human little ego). Eg the example I gave<br />
which is due to you do not attain GOD consciousness you cut your left hand with right hand and now you ask why my body is bleeding ?! Why there is so much war, insecurity ! You killed so many animals a day in US itself, do you think that has no effect on you (which is part of GOD) ?</p>
<p>    And now you make a website and ask WHY GOD DIDN&#8217;T HEAL AMPUTEES ! How sarcastic is that ! you know under no conditions GOD with GOD consciousness will harm any beings ! the Truth is profound and it is bitter too, and you should stop blaming GOD. Look at yourself, see what you do, what you eat, what you speak, what you think everyday and multiply that by hundreds and millionths.. and tell me  is the present world conditions is not matching what you all did everyday !?</p>
<p>Do you really want a peace world ? a heaven on earth ? Dear my little human children ?</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Ray of Happiness</p>
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		<title>By: lil tom</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15174</link>
		<dc:creator>lil tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ray,

wow... this is some of the best satire I&#039;ve ever come across. ummm, I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s a joke...  either way, I&#039;m converted!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ray,</p>
<p>wow&#8230; this is some of the best satire I&#8217;ve ever come across. ummm, I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s a joke&#8230;  either way, I&#8217;m converted!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray of Happiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray of Happiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am amuse of your prove on no one can enter Heaven.
Ok. But the point I want to say... It is not easy to enter Heaven. But it is not impossible. Before I justify how heaven could exist scientifically, I will first make a statement then I will explain the items  you mention in the youtube movie.

ONE statement I will make boldly is
&quot;God and God&#039;s creations are one&quot;
This statement means, everything you can see, feel, touch
eat, drink, smell, trees, stones, water, computer... and
even you yourself are formations from God and God and all God&#039;s creations are one, nonetheless, God is the driving forces of all that exist in the pass, exist in now and exist in future.

And there is a fallacy of thinking that God MUST exist in a human form (eg. Jesus) God must able to speak... God must do this or do that... that is all misconception. God is all there is, even the cockroach you step on, the tree you cut, the poor and helpless, all are God and God creations.

Then questions springs up, if I am GOD, why don&#039;t I know that ? why I don&#039;t have GOD&#039;s power ? why I cannot turn stone into Gold ? Why I am so miserable, why I am so poor ?
you know, these questions you are asking from a tiny little human perspective. It is not entire GOD perspective. As a Human, which is part of the GOD. You have limited abilites and limited consciousness, limited power and limited life. But WHO can denied GOD can have GOD&#039;s power, who says GOD cannot turn stone to gold ? that&#039;s all is happening in nature and according to nature. (nature is part of GOD).
As an analogy is given, car is make up by many parts, those part are manufacture in different factories. GOD is consist of everything that exist and if you insist to split, you can split GOD to Human, Animal, Plants... etc categories. But all that is your own Imagination and your own categorization in your little brain. The prove is, the brain you use to denied everthing, that even yourself cannot understand how it function, how intelligent come to be, because it is not &#039;created&#039; by you, nature creates it and it is part of GOD, and so were you &#039;using&#039; it and denied GOD. Got the idea ?

Now comes to your prove.

1 : What must I do to inhereit eternal Life ?
         Love God, Love neighbor, Eternal Life
    So can you Love GOD ? Love neightbor, 
    Which is EVERYTHING... if you can LOVE everything
    where is your hatred ? If you do not have hatred
    your love is the love of GOD. GOD is everything.
    and GOD is Eternal. you Get what I mean ?
    Your little human ego perception expanded. And you
    are no longer ego bound limited consciousness. You
    gain the GOD consciousness and GOD is eternal. Do you
    Agree ?

2 : Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal....
    Do not give false testiment...
    As you are stuck in your tiny human ego, you can only 
    think of yourself, your benefits, you own happiness.
    You do not have the GOD perspective eg, everything
    is me, everything is myself, how can I cut my left hand   
    with the right hand ? (murder) GOD consider every 
    little life, stones, trees, grass as GODSelf. So GOD 
    will  not do any harm to anything. BUT Human is 
    different. Even if you become so evil also GOD forgives 
    you, is it not enough prove ?

3 : Sell everything give to the poor...
    Sell everything, what does it mean ? It mean
    Give all. If you indulge your self as a Human,
    you probably think that is &quot;insane&quot;. IF You think 
    again. All those things you have with you is not really 
    yours. When you born, you brings nothing. And the more 
    you think and the more you gain, you are likely rooted
    into your limited human ego. Because GREED is Human 
    nature. and Give all is GOD Nature. GOD gives because
    GOD is all that is, whatever GOD gives is still 
    belong&#039;s to GOD. But Human keep, because Human think 
    they are on their own. If you can Give All to those 
    who need, then you will realize life is actually larger
    then what you think using your little human brain.

4 : Then come follow me...
    Jesus invite you to follow the way of GOD, 
    Which is the way of Heaven.

5 : Hate father, mother, wife and children, brothers..   
    sisters...  Hate life itself... Give up everything...
    This is the contradiction you pointed out in the 
    youtube. Do you know what is Hate father, Hate mother,
    wife and children really mean ? Let me give you an 
    example. If there is an apple tree planted by you.
    some one pass by and cut down the tree you plant for 20 
    years. So as a common Human, anger is inevitable. Now
    I expand it to your parents, your children, your wife 
    etc. If you possessively LOVE but not genuine GOD&#039;s 
    equal love. What will you do if some one hit your 
    parents ? you will kill or fight back ? revenge ?
    condemn etc ? because you think my parent is mine.
    such thinking is Human thinking, and Human can only 
    best be born in Human world. GOD&#039;s love is, if you
    hit my left cheek, I give you my right, after all
    you and my parents are ONE. For those who cannot Hate 
    the possessive love to all you hold dear, but own them, 
    cheerish in them, they never realize GOD&#039;s love. 
    Without GOD&#039;s love how can you born in 
    heaven ? That is what Jesus mean by hate your parents !


6 : Eat flesh, drink blood.
    For this I no need to explain, GOD&#039;s fresh = your 
    bread. GOD&#039;s blood, your bir in the bar. GOD is all 
    there is ! You drink and you eat everyday.
    And you still complaint GOD is not good enough to you !
    How ingratitute of you little human ! I (GOD) manifest
    into herds, flocks, fishes... and you consume without
    consider my pain when I were slaughter by your advance
    slaughtering house. Can you little human do the same ?
    become a fish and let me kill for food ?

7 : Little children..
    Can you be innocent again ? like the little child.
    with little need, little greed, little hatred.
    So I (GOD) don&#039;t have to bleeding with all the killing
    and wars in the world ? Can you be mercy upon me (GOD)   
    ?
    
8 : Born again... born of water and the spirit. wind 
    blows..
    Born of spirit has no forms. Wind here is one of the  
    four great elements of nature not the &#039;wind&#039; you see.
    wind here is mean movements. water means fluidity,
    fire mean heat, and earth mean solidity.

9 : Pharisees. is group of people that tried their best
    to follow the ways of GOD, they have not all perfect
    but at least they try. And you should not mention on
    rules, Suppose there is no Rules that you can have 
    WARs, quarrels, hatred but why you still making them ?

10: Believe in God
    Do you believe in GOD ? do you believe and trust even
    your own wife ? GOD is everything, believe in GOD
    means believe in everything ! in GOD perspective,
    GOD believe everything. why ? because GOD is everything 
    ! you cannot grasp it with Human Self centered 
    perspective !

The last, you say &#039;heaven&#039; is just fairy tales, and my answer to you is &quot;Yes, it is for you, and you only.&quot;
There is place far far better then earth, creature
far more kind and holy then humans, far more selfless, greedless, happy, cheerful and kind. Where they were close to GOD and that places they live is call Heaven, you cannot go to heaven until you can do what Jesus says. It is not GOD&#039;s punishments, it is your own rejection, your own choice and your own fault. If there is beings in heaven means it is possible to go there, and many kind humans has already born there. Some choose to come back and is stay among us. So you say why Jesus didn&#039;t appear ? and my answer is He doesn&#039;t appear in Jesus form as you know in the bible ! and you actually see GOD with your bright open eyes yet you do not even recognize it !

I hope my explaination could shade you some lights,
When in the deep night you cry in your bed, GOD is crying too. When you pray to the stars, GOD hears every words,
But whatever you pray and do, think... Is it the GOD way or
Human selfish way ? if 1000 Human do the same selfish deed
How would GOD feel ? Can you have mercy upon GOD too ?
If you fail to save the earth, how can GOD grant you
the key to heaven ?



Let us be like a little children.
Ray of Happiness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amuse of your prove on no one can enter Heaven.<br />
Ok. But the point I want to say&#8230; It is not easy to enter Heaven. But it is not impossible. Before I justify how heaven could exist scientifically, I will first make a statement then I will explain the items  you mention in the youtube movie.</p>
<p>ONE statement I will make boldly is<br />
&#8220;God and God&#8217;s creations are one&#8221;<br />
This statement means, everything you can see, feel, touch<br />
eat, drink, smell, trees, stones, water, computer&#8230; and<br />
even you yourself are formations from God and God and all God&#8217;s creations are one, nonetheless, God is the driving forces of all that exist in the pass, exist in now and exist in future.</p>
<p>And there is a fallacy of thinking that God MUST exist in a human form (eg. Jesus) God must able to speak&#8230; God must do this or do that&#8230; that is all misconception. God is all there is, even the cockroach you step on, the tree you cut, the poor and helpless, all are God and God creations.</p>
<p>Then questions springs up, if I am GOD, why don&#8217;t I know that ? why I don&#8217;t have GOD&#8217;s power ? why I cannot turn stone into Gold ? Why I am so miserable, why I am so poor ?<br />
you know, these questions you are asking from a tiny little human perspective. It is not entire GOD perspective. As a Human, which is part of the GOD. You have limited abilites and limited consciousness, limited power and limited life. But WHO can denied GOD can have GOD&#8217;s power, who says GOD cannot turn stone to gold ? that&#8217;s all is happening in nature and according to nature. (nature is part of GOD).<br />
As an analogy is given, car is make up by many parts, those part are manufacture in different factories. GOD is consist of everything that exist and if you insist to split, you can split GOD to Human, Animal, Plants&#8230; etc categories. But all that is your own Imagination and your own categorization in your little brain. The prove is, the brain you use to denied everthing, that even yourself cannot understand how it function, how intelligent come to be, because it is not &#8216;created&#8217; by you, nature creates it and it is part of GOD, and so were you &#8216;using&#8217; it and denied GOD. Got the idea ?</p>
<p>Now comes to your prove.</p>
<p>1 : What must I do to inhereit eternal Life ?<br />
         Love God, Love neighbor, Eternal Life<br />
    So can you Love GOD ? Love neightbor,<br />
    Which is EVERYTHING&#8230; if you can LOVE everything<br />
    where is your hatred ? If you do not have hatred<br />
    your love is the love of GOD. GOD is everything.<br />
    and GOD is Eternal. you Get what I mean ?<br />
    Your little human ego perception expanded. And you<br />
    are no longer ego bound limited consciousness. You<br />
    gain the GOD consciousness and GOD is eternal. Do you<br />
    Agree ?</p>
<p>2 : Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal&#8230;.<br />
    Do not give false testiment&#8230;<br />
    As you are stuck in your tiny human ego, you can only<br />
    think of yourself, your benefits, you own happiness.<br />
    You do not have the GOD perspective eg, everything<br />
    is me, everything is myself, how can I cut my left hand<br />
    with the right hand ? (murder) GOD consider every<br />
    little life, stones, trees, grass as GODSelf. So GOD<br />
    will  not do any harm to anything. BUT Human is<br />
    different. Even if you become so evil also GOD forgives<br />
    you, is it not enough prove ?</p>
<p>3 : Sell everything give to the poor&#8230;<br />
    Sell everything, what does it mean ? It mean<br />
    Give all. If you indulge your self as a Human,<br />
    you probably think that is &#8220;insane&#8221;. IF You think<br />
    again. All those things you have with you is not really<br />
    yours. When you born, you brings nothing. And the more<br />
    you think and the more you gain, you are likely rooted<br />
    into your limited human ego. Because GREED is Human<br />
    nature. and Give all is GOD Nature. GOD gives because<br />
    GOD is all that is, whatever GOD gives is still<br />
    belong&#8217;s to GOD. But Human keep, because Human think<br />
    they are on their own. If you can Give All to those<br />
    who need, then you will realize life is actually larger<br />
    then what you think using your little human brain.</p>
<p>4 : Then come follow me&#8230;<br />
    Jesus invite you to follow the way of GOD,<br />
    Which is the way of Heaven.</p>
<p>5 : Hate father, mother, wife and children, brothers..<br />
    sisters&#8230;  Hate life itself&#8230; Give up everything&#8230;<br />
    This is the contradiction you pointed out in the<br />
    youtube. Do you know what is Hate father, Hate mother,<br />
    wife and children really mean ? Let me give you an<br />
    example. If there is an apple tree planted by you.<br />
    some one pass by and cut down the tree you plant for 20<br />
    years. So as a common Human, anger is inevitable. Now<br />
    I expand it to your parents, your children, your wife<br />
    etc. If you possessively LOVE but not genuine GOD&#8217;s<br />
    equal love. What will you do if some one hit your<br />
    parents ? you will kill or fight back ? revenge ?<br />
    condemn etc ? because you think my parent is mine.<br />
    such thinking is Human thinking, and Human can only<br />
    best be born in Human world. GOD&#8217;s love is, if you<br />
    hit my left cheek, I give you my right, after all<br />
    you and my parents are ONE. For those who cannot Hate<br />
    the possessive love to all you hold dear, but own them,<br />
    cheerish in them, they never realize GOD&#8217;s love.<br />
    Without GOD&#8217;s love how can you born in<br />
    heaven ? That is what Jesus mean by hate your parents !</p>
<p>6 : Eat flesh, drink blood.<br />
    For this I no need to explain, GOD&#8217;s fresh = your<br />
    bread. GOD&#8217;s blood, your bir in the bar. GOD is all<br />
    there is ! You drink and you eat everyday.<br />
    And you still complaint GOD is not good enough to you !<br />
    How ingratitute of you little human ! I (GOD) manifest<br />
    into herds, flocks, fishes&#8230; and you consume without<br />
    consider my pain when I were slaughter by your advance<br />
    slaughtering house. Can you little human do the same ?<br />
    become a fish and let me kill for food ?</p>
<p>7 : Little children..<br />
    Can you be innocent again ? like the little child.<br />
    with little need, little greed, little hatred.<br />
    So I (GOD) don&#8217;t have to bleeding with all the killing<br />
    and wars in the world ? Can you be mercy upon me (GOD)<br />
    ?</p>
<p>8 : Born again&#8230; born of water and the spirit. wind<br />
    blows..<br />
    Born of spirit has no forms. Wind here is one of the<br />
    four great elements of nature not the &#8216;wind&#8217; you see.<br />
    wind here is mean movements. water means fluidity,<br />
    fire mean heat, and earth mean solidity.</p>
<p>9 : Pharisees. is group of people that tried their best<br />
    to follow the ways of GOD, they have not all perfect<br />
    but at least they try. And you should not mention on<br />
    rules, Suppose there is no Rules that you can have<br />
    WARs, quarrels, hatred but why you still making them ?</p>
<p>10: Believe in God<br />
    Do you believe in GOD ? do you believe and trust even<br />
    your own wife ? GOD is everything, believe in GOD<br />
    means believe in everything ! in GOD perspective,<br />
    GOD believe everything. why ? because GOD is everything<br />
    ! you cannot grasp it with Human Self centered<br />
    perspective !</p>
<p>The last, you say &#8216;heaven&#8217; is just fairy tales, and my answer to you is &#8220;Yes, it is for you, and you only.&#8221;<br />
There is place far far better then earth, creature<br />
far more kind and holy then humans, far more selfless, greedless, happy, cheerful and kind. Where they were close to GOD and that places they live is call Heaven, you cannot go to heaven until you can do what Jesus says. It is not GOD&#8217;s punishments, it is your own rejection, your own choice and your own fault. If there is beings in heaven means it is possible to go there, and many kind humans has already born there. Some choose to come back and is stay among us. So you say why Jesus didn&#8217;t appear ? and my answer is He doesn&#8217;t appear in Jesus form as you know in the bible ! and you actually see GOD with your bright open eyes yet you do not even recognize it !</p>
<p>I hope my explaination could shade you some lights,<br />
When in the deep night you cry in your bed, GOD is crying too. When you pray to the stars, GOD hears every words,<br />
But whatever you pray and do, think&#8230; Is it the GOD way or<br />
Human selfish way ? if 1000 Human do the same selfish deed<br />
How would GOD feel ? Can you have mercy upon GOD too ?<br />
If you fail to save the earth, how can GOD grant you<br />
the key to heaven ?</p>
<p>Let us be like a little children.<br />
Ray of Happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: lil tom</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15112</link>
		<dc:creator>lil tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[steveK,

well then...?

are you willing to clarify?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steveK,</p>
<p>well then&#8230;?</p>
<p>are you willing to clarify?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=196&#038;cpage=1#comment-15107</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you seem to be making the claim that if many people believe something, that it must mean it is based in reality. if it can be imagined, then it is reality.&quot;

&#039;No&#039; to both of your conclusions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you seem to be making the claim that if many people believe something, that it must mean it is based in reality. if it can be imagined, then it is reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;No&#8217; to both of your conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: lil tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>lil tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[steveK,

you seem to be making the claim that if many people believe something, that it must mean it is based in reality. if it can be imagined, then it is reality.

you fail to consider the implications of this, however. first of all it would mean that all religions would be true (which of course is an impossibility) simply because many people believe them to be true. even all of the world&#039;s dead religions and antiquated belief systems would be true. truth would in fact lose meaning altogether. anything that somebody believed to be true could be true without a shred of evidence.  we would open up the weekly world news for our current events and would never be able to question any claim that seemed illogical from one to another because well, that might simply be &quot;their reality&quot;.

interestingly, when an &quot;alternate reality&quot; is limited to a small number of people (ie. cults or street crazies) we rarely bother to give them a benefit of the doubt. we call out because there is little resistance. there is indeed strength in numbers, but by no means *truth* in numbers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steveK,</p>
<p>you seem to be making the claim that if many people believe something, that it must mean it is based in reality. if it can be imagined, then it is reality.</p>
<p>you fail to consider the implications of this, however. first of all it would mean that all religions would be true (which of course is an impossibility) simply because many people believe them to be true. even all of the world&#8217;s dead religions and antiquated belief systems would be true. truth would in fact lose meaning altogether. anything that somebody believed to be true could be true without a shred of evidence.  we would open up the weekly world news for our current events and would never be able to question any claim that seemed illogical from one to another because well, that might simply be &#8220;their reality&#8221;.</p>
<p>interestingly, when an &#8220;alternate reality&#8221; is limited to a small number of people (ie. cults or street crazies) we rarely bother to give them a benefit of the doubt. we call out because there is little resistance. there is indeed strength in numbers, but by no means *truth* in numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: VeridicusX</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeridicusX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@SteveK #34 #35


&gt; ... Let&#039;s put this in naturalistic terms. What is &#039;something that was read&#039;? That&#039;s a memory, which is a brain state. So is &#039;their imagination&#039; a brain state.
&gt; So we have brain states causing other brain states to form. What caused the first brain state to form? Must be something outside the brain, correct? If not, what causes it?

Yes, that&#039;s what evolution is about.

&gt; I said of the naturalist, the formation of a brain state must be caused by something *outside* the brain. If my brain state is about God and not a tree, then that brain state *must* be caused by something external to the brain.

We live in the information age. By your thesis, if someone is experiencing the Invisible Pink Unicorn this must have been caused by said entity external to the brain.

&gt; The best you can conclude is that *content* of the brain state is about something other than God, because (as you say) you can&#039;t &quot;measure&quot; God. But that leads to other problems...
&gt; For starters, you&#039;ve fallen for Popper&#039;s black swan theory, only with respect to God - God doesn&#039;t exist because we can&#039;t find a way to measure him.

Hardly, if I was claiming that all swans are white perhaps. But it is *you* who is claiming that all swans are white. I&#039;m saying that so far all we&#039;ve seen are black ones.

Theists have been saying, &quot;If you look in that room over there there&#039;s a giant, glowing neon blue elephant&quot;. When we look there isn&#039;t one.

I&#039;ve said, throughout my various submissions, that *the evidence* as well as the *lack of evidence* speaks for itself.
Theists make measurable claims about an entity called God. If the measurements don&#039;t align with these claims and if *all* the other facts *contradict* these claims, the claims are false. Of course, we only need the claims to be falsified once.

Alternatively, someone claims to be experiencing square circles. We know that square circles shouldn&#039;t be able to exist in our reality. This person further claims that we should expect certain changes in the world that would not be there were it not for square circles. The predicted actions of the square circles become part of its definition.
We find that the predicted changes are not exhibited in the world. We find that all the available evidence contradicts square circles. We find that the idea is incoherent. All that we *do* find are some brains states of Square Circleists.
We can either abandon rationality or we can conclude that square circles, as defined, do not exist except in the brain states of the Square Circleists.

Its as if you&#039;ve accused me of taking *an observed god* and then generating a universal statement from it. But *no gods* have been observed. Brain states are not &quot;God&quot;.

Exodus 15:26 declares a name of God, Yahweh Rapha, The Lord is Healer. According to the Christian scriptures we should be able to observe that believers who pray to this entity and believe are healed. We observe no such thing. The conjectured entity therefore, is non-existent. There are, of course, lots of other statements made in the Bible, (which is supposedly inspired by this entity), that contradict reality.

&gt; Next, what sort of measurement data would confirm the existence of God? In other words, if you were able to take physical data of *all* objects, what about that data would lead you to conclude God was or wasn&#039;t found in the data?

We take a &quot;promise&quot; from the Bible or hypothesize as to what we would find if there were a truthful, omnibenevolent, omnipotent entity and then collate the available evidence. We can then look for things which may show up statistically such as healing. 
No such evidence has been forthcoming. There is no elephant in the room.
 
&gt;&gt; All the evidence points to this being the case, &quot;The mind is what the brain does&quot;.

&gt; This is complete hogwash. A bicycle is a bicycle when it does what bicycles *don&#039;t* do - like support your hanging laundry. It doesn&#039;t become something *else* when you put it in a different place or put it into motion. An apple can be *used* as a paperweight, but it is still no less an apple.
&gt; Either the mind and brain are the same thing or they are different things.

Your computer and it&#039;s operating system are not the same thing. The pictures on the screen are caused by the computer processing information. When we turn it off the pictures disappear.

Welcome to the information age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SteveK #34 #35</p>
<p>&gt; &#8230; Let&#8217;s put this in naturalistic terms. What is &#8216;something that was read&#8217;? That&#8217;s a memory, which is a brain state. So is &#8216;their imagination&#8217; a brain state.<br />
&gt; So we have brain states causing other brain states to form. What caused the first brain state to form? Must be something outside the brain, correct? If not, what causes it?</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s what evolution is about.</p>
<p>&gt; I said of the naturalist, the formation of a brain state must be caused by something *outside* the brain. If my brain state is about God and not a tree, then that brain state *must* be caused by something external to the brain.</p>
<p>We live in the information age. By your thesis, if someone is experiencing the Invisible Pink Unicorn this must have been caused by said entity external to the brain.</p>
<p>&gt; The best you can conclude is that *content* of the brain state is about something other than God, because (as you say) you can&#8217;t &#8220;measure&#8221; God. But that leads to other problems&#8230;<br />
&gt; For starters, you&#8217;ve fallen for Popper&#8217;s black swan theory, only with respect to God &#8211; God doesn&#8217;t exist because we can&#8217;t find a way to measure him.</p>
<p>Hardly, if I was claiming that all swans are white perhaps. But it is *you* who is claiming that all swans are white. I&#8217;m saying that so far all we&#8217;ve seen are black ones.</p>
<p>Theists have been saying, &#8220;If you look in that room over there there&#8217;s a giant, glowing neon blue elephant&#8221;. When we look there isn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said, throughout my various submissions, that *the evidence* as well as the *lack of evidence* speaks for itself.<br />
Theists make measurable claims about an entity called God. If the measurements don&#8217;t align with these claims and if *all* the other facts *contradict* these claims, the claims are false. Of course, we only need the claims to be falsified once.</p>
<p>Alternatively, someone claims to be experiencing square circles. We know that square circles shouldn&#8217;t be able to exist in our reality. This person further claims that we should expect certain changes in the world that would not be there were it not for square circles. The predicted actions of the square circles become part of its definition.<br />
We find that the predicted changes are not exhibited in the world. We find that all the available evidence contradicts square circles. We find that the idea is incoherent. All that we *do* find are some brains states of Square Circleists.<br />
We can either abandon rationality or we can conclude that square circles, as defined, do not exist except in the brain states of the Square Circleists.</p>
<p>Its as if you&#8217;ve accused me of taking *an observed god* and then generating a universal statement from it. But *no gods* have been observed. Brain states are not &#8220;God&#8221;.</p>
<p>Exodus 15:26 declares a name of God, Yahweh Rapha, The Lord is Healer. According to the Christian scriptures we should be able to observe that believers who pray to this entity and believe are healed. We observe no such thing. The conjectured entity therefore, is non-existent. There are, of course, lots of other statements made in the Bible, (which is supposedly inspired by this entity), that contradict reality.</p>
<p>&gt; Next, what sort of measurement data would confirm the existence of God? In other words, if you were able to take physical data of *all* objects, what about that data would lead you to conclude God was or wasn&#8217;t found in the data?</p>
<p>We take a &#8220;promise&#8221; from the Bible or hypothesize as to what we would find if there were a truthful, omnibenevolent, omnipotent entity and then collate the available evidence. We can then look for things which may show up statistically such as healing.<br />
No such evidence has been forthcoming. There is no elephant in the room.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; All the evidence points to this being the case, &#8220;The mind is what the brain does&#8221;.</p>
<p>&gt; This is complete hogwash. A bicycle is a bicycle when it does what bicycles *don&#8217;t* do &#8211; like support your hanging laundry. It doesn&#8217;t become something *else* when you put it in a different place or put it into motion. An apple can be *used* as a paperweight, but it is still no less an apple.<br />
&gt; Either the mind and brain are the same thing or they are different things.</p>
<p>Your computer and it&#8217;s operating system are not the same thing. The pictures on the screen are caused by the computer processing information. When we turn it off the pictures disappear.</p>
<p>Welcome to the information age.</p>
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