The ideological “package” is what prompted the action. A disbelief can not direct actions. Atheism was not being enforced, rather religion as a competing authority was being fought. You can not connect the atheists on this board to communist killings because they do not share the actionable beliefs that led to the killings. Your logic makes no sense.

@ Rostam 218

“The atheist here like wiki but I feel certain they will attempt to get their fellow atheist off the hook.”

See my comment to Lightning Boy. Also if somehow a shared disbelief makes me connected to murdering communists, than you and Hitler must also be fellow travelers since both of you did not believe in Zeus.

“They believe in nothing”
We disbelieve in gods. We believe in plenty of things, just not religious claims. To find out you have to ask. Do you even think before you type?

“Hey, they only want to cleanse humanity. Sounds noble.”
So since both you and Hitler disbelieve in Zeus you must also want to kill Jews.

“Atheism cannot motivate somebody to do good but religion can motivate someone to do good. You cannot have it both ways either both religion and atheism can cause evil or only religion causes good. This is typical atheist hypocrisy.”

Your logic is wrong. Atheism can not motivate anyone to do anything good or evil. It is a disbelief, people do not act on a disbelief. Religion however is a belief so it can motivate people to do things both good and evil.

“When you look at atheist objectively, if one rejects God then they become their own supreme authority. This will magnify their lust for power, greed and supremacy.”

If that is the case surely you can find some statistics that demonstrate that atheists commit crimes more than theists, and countries that have a higher percentage of atheists have higher crime rates and other factors like more abortions and health problems. The reality is that if you look at such countries they have better rates in these areas than more religious countries. If you look at states in the US you see the same thing. More religious states have more problems than less religious states. Heck, the blog post after this one shows that atheists have better divorce rates.

This BlagHag post has a really cool heat map that shows this.
http://www.blaghag.com/2010/02/heat-map-of-religiousity-and-social.html

In reality atheists are beholden to the societies that they belong to, and the laws those societies follow. Those laws and the customs in those societies are made up from the distilled behaviors and moralities of the people in those countries. ALL morals and laws come from the individual.

- Theist fascists (Mussolini and Hitler) were ELCETED by 100% christian nations
- Atheist Stalin and Mao were SUPPORTED by 100% religious nations. They did not come to power thanks to some “secret weapons” or thanks to magic (maybe thanks to your idiotic god, as “all power comes from him”).
Religious people died in millinos for communists, to enable them to come to power!
Period?
Unfortunately NOT!
They, then, died in millions again, when they saw what they did, and sobered up, but it was too late.
Christians (et al.) have paid enormeous price for voting/supporting fascists/communists!

Atheists would never be such idiots! To bring someone in power without previously recognizing their real nature – typical for people accustomed to OBEY insted to THINK (=Christians et al.)

Can you imagine Sweden voting for a Hitler?

Unlike you, who would never like to see your criminal god and his criminal followers, who masacred millions in his name, to be punished for their crimes, I would like to see Stalin “on the hook”.
Only theists defend their “fellows” from responsibility, because theists have NO sense of morality. Bible (kill, dash, rip, rape, rob…) is their “moral code”.

In whoever’s name someone kills, he must be punished. Be it in name of god, communism, or fascism, or just because of jealousy or money.
If someone kills “in name of atheism”, that one has also to be punished.
Yet, untill now, no such a criminal found!

You worship the biggest criminal ever, who killed millions (your god).
I despise killers!
In my mind, killer is killer, and one who orders killing of children and ripping of pregnant women, is a shit, besides.

Except Stalin would be saying “for communism!” rather than anything to do with atheism, as his core belief system was communistic, not atheistic.

Note what your associate Lightning Boy wrote in the other thread – how he was looking forward to the US being converted to christianity under the gun, and atheists being murdered if they didn’t convert. You sure you want to associate with that idea?

A good link. The atheist here like wiki but I feel certain they will attempt to get their fellow atheist off the hook. I ROTFL every time they claim it was not in the name of atheism! I always picture Stalin with his hand raised as he put the shiv through the back of a preacher yelling “In the name of atheist!”

It is a bit eerie when you realize how much theses communist tyrants and Sam Harris types have in common. They believe in nothing therefore they will fall for anything. Hey, they only want to cleanse humanity. Sounds noble.

Maybe you should point to things I misunderstood and explain your claim.

1. No human being was ever killed in name of atheism!
Is this claim wrong?
People were killed in name of GODS and in name of IDEOLOGIES.
I do not deny that both communists and fascists suppressed religions and pogromed religions.
Each new religion suppressed old religion! Who likes competition? Communists and fascists did EXACTLY the same job that all religions did through history: killed competition!

2. Communist and fascist regimes came to power in CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES. One communist regime took power in non-christian, but highly religious part of the world.
Christians VOTED for fascism (Italy, Germany). Christians massively SUPORTED communists, they DIED for communism (Russia)!
Non-christian, but religious masses supported communism in China, AND DIED FOR COMMUNISM. Communism won in those countries contrary to strong internal resistance and contrary to strong external armed interventions.

How many atheists were there in Russia (1917.), Italy (1920.), Germany (1933.) or China (1950.)?
Some 0.01%? Maybe even 0.1%? Or (unimaginable) 1%?
And THEY (atheists!) won, THANKS to religious masses! How COULD they win, but thanks to 99% RELIGIOUS people who voted for them or supported them?!

Wiki is O.K.!
I do NOT deny communist killed Christians! Of course they did! Like all OTHER religions, communists (and fascists!) started cleansing of COMPETITION immediatelly after they took power. Nobody denies it! They had perfect model in every SINGLE religion that ever existed on earth!

So, LB, if I misunderstood something, pleas stress the points I misunderstood, and give YOUR counter-explanation.

I would completely agree!
Communist played EXACTLY the same game as all religions did: in the first place, EXTERMINATE COMPETITION! bY all means, INCLUDING MASACRES!
I said many times, and I repeat: communism = religion.

However, communists never declared they were killing „in name of atheism“, while all religion killed in name of their gods (or: for their gods).
They killed their opponents in name of their ideology, which was not much different than ideology of most religions.

„Everything including murderer was acceptable.“
Of course!
Didn’t I say: communism = religion. Why would they differ in methods?

“Under Communism”. For communism. See the common thread here? This was part of the political philosophy of communism, not part of the theological philosophy of atheism.

You are atheist correct?