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		<title>By: DPK</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1850&#038;cpage=1#comment-40456</link>
		<dc:creator>DPK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Severin.... Truth&#039;s definition of a &quot;Christian&quot; is anyone he says is a christian, and his definition of &quot;not a christian&quot; is likewise anyone he says is not a christian.
The theists must try and maintain the ability to move the goalposts at will. It is the only way they can continue to rationalize their silly beliefs.
Then they demand you prove a negative: 
&quot;You never proved that atheist did not vote in Hitler as you claim? Where is the proof Severin?&quot;

Ehem... Mr. &quot;Truth&quot;... YOU never proved that Zeus didn&#039;t create the universe. Where is your proof, Truth?

Now, if you are done trying to divert attention away from the fact that you and all the other theists here continually, and pathetically, avoid the actual topic of discussion, perhaps you can add something of substance to the conversation and provide the evidence that the god you want so desperately for everyone to believe in and worship actually exists. Until you do that, all your yapping and squawking is meaningless. How about it, &quot;Truth&quot;? Will you pick up the gauntlet that all the other theists here have dropped and give it a shot? Show us why we should believe ANYTHING you claim about the nature or reality of your imaginary, magical god.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Severin&#8230;. Truth&#8217;s definition of a &#8220;Christian&#8221; is anyone he says is a christian, and his definition of &#8220;not a christian&#8221; is likewise anyone he says is not a christian.<br />
The theists must try and maintain the ability to move the goalposts at will. It is the only way they can continue to rationalize their silly beliefs.<br />
Then they demand you prove a negative:<br />
&#8220;You never proved that atheist did not vote in Hitler as you claim? Where is the proof Severin?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ehem&#8230; Mr. &#8220;Truth&#8221;&#8230; YOU never proved that Zeus didn&#8217;t create the universe. Where is your proof, Truth?</p>
<p>Now, if you are done trying to divert attention away from the fact that you and all the other theists here continually, and pathetically, avoid the actual topic of discussion, perhaps you can add something of substance to the conversation and provide the evidence that the god you want so desperately for everyone to believe in and worship actually exists. Until you do that, all your yapping and squawking is meaningless. How about it, &#8220;Truth&#8221;? Will you pick up the gauntlet that all the other theists here have dropped and give it a shot? Show us why we should believe ANYTHING you claim about the nature or reality of your imaginary, magical god.</p>
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		<title>By: Severin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Severin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 08:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[67 Truth
&quot;You never proved that atheist did not vote in Hitler as you claim?&quot;

I don&#039;t have to. What I actually said was that CHRISTIANS brought Hitler to power.
I will gladly accept possibility that I was wrong, and that ALL atheists in Germany voted for Hitler.

YOU said atheists brought him to power.
(&quot;Hitler was an atheist candidate&quot;)

Now, you only have to tell us how many atheists were there in Germany to win elections.
Simple math tells me: at least 50% of adult population.
So, Truth, were there 50% atheists in Germany to over-vote Christians and bring Hitler to power?

Simple &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; will do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>67 Truth<br />
&#8220;You never proved that atheist did not vote in Hitler as you claim?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to. What I actually said was that CHRISTIANS brought Hitler to power.<br />
I will gladly accept possibility that I was wrong, and that ALL atheists in Germany voted for Hitler.</p>
<p>YOU said atheists brought him to power.<br />
(&#8220;Hitler was an atheist candidate&#8221;)</p>
<p>Now, you only have to tell us how many atheists were there in Germany to win elections.<br />
Simple math tells me: at least 50% of adult population.<br />
So, Truth, were there 50% atheists in Germany to over-vote Christians and bring Hitler to power?</p>
<p>Simple &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Severin</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1850&#038;cpage=1#comment-40449</link>
		<dc:creator>Severin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 07:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[67 Truth
&quot;No, just as you guys claim that Hitler grew up in a church makes him Christian, my claim I am atheist makes it so.&quot;

O.K., fine.

I intuitively recognize not specifically Christians, but generally religious people, from their way of debating. 
I might be wrong in my &quot;classification&quot;, because I really do not know WHAT is it that makes one a Christian.

Why are you avoiding telling us?
Are Christian attributes secret? Maybe something you should be ashamed of?

Tell us, what specific attributes, characteristics, deeds, look, food, (whatever) makes one a Christian.

If you can&#039;t explain THAT, then how is it possible that you can recognize non-Christians?

Was Pinochet a Christian, for example?
Were the judges who sent Salem witches to death Christians?
Were popes who were on top of inquisition and burned people Christians?
Was the judges who burned Giordano Bruno Christians?
What about slave holders in America in 19th century, were they Christians? 
Or, were they all atheists, or WHAT?

WHAT are criteria for being a Christian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>67 Truth<br />
&#8220;No, just as you guys claim that Hitler grew up in a church makes him Christian, my claim I am atheist makes it so.&#8221;</p>
<p>O.K., fine.</p>
<p>I intuitively recognize not specifically Christians, but generally religious people, from their way of debating.<br />
I might be wrong in my &#8220;classification&#8221;, because I really do not know WHAT is it that makes one a Christian.</p>
<p>Why are you avoiding telling us?<br />
Are Christian attributes secret? Maybe something you should be ashamed of?</p>
<p>Tell us, what specific attributes, characteristics, deeds, look, food, (whatever) makes one a Christian.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t explain THAT, then how is it possible that you can recognize non-Christians?</p>
<p>Was Pinochet a Christian, for example?<br />
Were the judges who sent Salem witches to death Christians?<br />
Were popes who were on top of inquisition and burned people Christians?<br />
Was the judges who burned Giordano Bruno Christians?<br />
What about slave holders in America in 19th century, were they Christians?<br />
Or, were they all atheists, or WHAT?</p>
<p>WHAT are criteria for being a Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou(DFW)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou(DFW)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 05:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[66.Severin said …

59 Truth
“We know what he did to Christians thanks to your ilk.”

&quot;Thank you, you desperate creature!&quot;

It&#039;s your time, but you are wasting it on an obvious nut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>66.Severin said …</p>
<p>59 Truth<br />
“We know what he did to Christians thanks to your ilk.”</p>
<p>&#8220;Thank you, you desperate creature!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your time, but you are wasting it on an obvious nut.</p>
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		<title>By: DPK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DPK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 03:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why spell check keeps changing &quot;poisoning&quot; to &quot;provisioning&quot;, but of course I meant to write &quot;poisoning the well&quot;.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why spell check keeps changing &#8220;poisoning&#8221; to &#8220;provisioning&#8221;, but of course I meant to write &#8220;poisoning the well&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: DPK</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1850&#038;cpage=1#comment-40445</link>
		<dc:creator>DPK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 03:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For someone who has chosen the moniker of &quot;truth&quot; you seem unable to recognize it, and also notably unwilling to provide it.
Whether Hitler was a &quot;true Christian&quot; or a &quot;true Scotsman&quot; is irrelevant. If you recall, the subject was only mentioned in response to jimbob&#039;s feeble attempt at provisioning the well:

&quot;Brass tacks, the horror that was the 20th century, and much of the 21st so far is being done by atheists.&quot;
Which was then promptly followed by the &quot;no true Scotsman&quot; fallacy by adding:
&quot;Anyone who thinks Hitler was a Christian is ignorant of Detriech Bonhoeffer, and what happened to him at Hitler’s orders. Stalin was a seminarian - anyone calling him a Christian lately? The fact that churches in Germany during Hitler’s reign didn’t oppose him, or excommunicate him is no more an indication of Hitler’s Christianity than the fact that Obama (and many others) calls himself a Christian...&quot;

No one cares if you claim to be a Christian or an atheist. What we care about is if you have any actual evidence that your imaginary god actually exists. Until you provide that, you are just a fart in the wind, unpleasant, but of little consequence.
Why don&#039;t you stop trying to divert attention by arguing about whether atheists or Christians elected Hitler? (Seriously? That&#039;s your position? Sad.) Why don&#039;t you just present your evidence for god, so we can show you what an idiot you are for actually believing it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone who has chosen the moniker of &#8220;truth&#8221; you seem unable to recognize it, and also notably unwilling to provide it.<br />
Whether Hitler was a &#8220;true Christian&#8221; or a &#8220;true Scotsman&#8221; is irrelevant. If you recall, the subject was only mentioned in response to jimbob&#8217;s feeble attempt at provisioning the well:</p>
<p>&#8220;Brass tacks, the horror that was the 20th century, and much of the 21st so far is being done by atheists.&#8221;<br />
Which was then promptly followed by the &#8220;no true Scotsman&#8221; fallacy by adding:<br />
&#8220;Anyone who thinks Hitler was a Christian is ignorant of Detriech Bonhoeffer, and what happened to him at Hitler’s orders. Stalin was a seminarian &#8211; anyone calling him a Christian lately? The fact that churches in Germany during Hitler’s reign didn’t oppose him, or excommunicate him is no more an indication of Hitler’s Christianity than the fact that Obama (and many others) calls himself a Christian&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No one cares if you claim to be a Christian or an atheist. What we care about is if you have any actual evidence that your imaginary god actually exists. Until you provide that, you are just a fart in the wind, unpleasant, but of little consequence.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you stop trying to divert attention by arguing about whether atheists or Christians elected Hitler? (Seriously? That&#8217;s your position? Sad.) Why don&#8217;t you just present your evidence for god, so we can show you what an idiot you are for actually believing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lest I forget.

I am trying to find a human being in you, but you are playing very dirty games, more and more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lest I forget.</p>
<p>I am trying to find a human being in you, but you are playing very dirty games, more and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Do not worry! We recognize you a Christian!&quot;

No, just as you guys claim that Hitler grew up in a church makes him Christian, my claim I am atheist makes it so.  Who are you to question my allegiance?

I do agree the atheist monsters Lenin and Hitler did deceive the people.  They were masters of propaganda.  Anyone who attempted to blow the whistle quickly disappeared.

Sorry, you boldly tooting your horn of how wonderful the world would be if we were all like you makes me want to vomit.  That alone lets me know it would be full of arrogance.  Yes, your humility is astounding.

Mr. Humility, if the Germans knew what Hitler was up to, why were they forced to take tours of the concentration camps after the war?

You never proved that atheist did not vote in Hitler as you claim? Where is the proof Severin?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do not worry! We recognize you a Christian!&#8221;</p>
<p>No, just as you guys claim that Hitler grew up in a church makes him Christian, my claim I am atheist makes it so.  Who are you to question my allegiance?</p>
<p>I do agree the atheist monsters Lenin and Hitler did deceive the people.  They were masters of propaganda.  Anyone who attempted to blow the whistle quickly disappeared.</p>
<p>Sorry, you boldly tooting your horn of how wonderful the world would be if we were all like you makes me want to vomit.  That alone lets me know it would be full of arrogance.  Yes, your humility is astounding.</p>
<p>Mr. Humility, if the Germans knew what Hitler was up to, why were they forced to take tours of the concentration camps after the war?</p>
<p>You never proved that atheist did not vote in Hitler as you claim? Where is the proof Severin?</p>
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		<title>By: Severin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Severin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 01:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[59 Truth
&quot;We know what he did to Christians thanks to your ilk.&quot;

Thank you, you desperate creature!

If everyone were &quot;my ilk&quot;, this world would flourish in tolerance and love.
You can&#039;t know it, but I know, and some 1-2000 people who know me personally, know it.
I do not need more.

I am trying to find a human being in you, but you are playing very dirty games, more and more.

Let it stay on your (Christian) cheek!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>59 Truth<br />
&#8220;We know what he did to Christians thanks to your ilk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, you desperate creature!</p>
<p>If everyone were &#8220;my ilk&#8221;, this world would flourish in tolerance and love.<br />
You can&#8217;t know it, but I know, and some 1-2000 people who know me personally, know it.<br />
I do not need more.</p>
<p>I am trying to find a human being in you, but you are playing very dirty games, more and more.</p>
<p>Let it stay on your (Christian) cheek!</p>
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		<title>By: Severin</title>
		<link>http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/?p=1850&#038;cpage=1#comment-40439</link>
		<dc:creator>Severin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 01:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do NOT think that &quot;good German Christians&quot; had any idea about what is really going to happen. 

I am sure that even the stupid Christians would reject open plans for extermination of Jews in gas ovens.
Hitler did not mention physical extermination of Jews, no!
However, the SIGNS of Hitler&#039;s intentions were pretty clear in his numerous speeches. 
He mentioned how evil, lazy, stupid, Jews were, and are &quot;sucking blood&quot; from Germany. He mentioned &quot;solutions&quot; in his speeches, not holocaust.

But, I am asking you directly:

If you, as a good Christian, heard someone speaking that African American are evil, lazy, stupid, and suck blood from Americans, and suggested &quot;final solution&quot; of this problem, what would YOU think?
I am sure you would RECOGNIZE THE THREAT, and would be at least VERY cautious to such a talk, even if you, deep in your privacy, maybe did not like black people and Jews
I do not doubt that you would condemn every sign in someone&#039;s speech that could potentially lead to PHYSICAL extermination of those people.
German Christians did NOT recognize the hints, and they voted Hitler.
That are facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do NOT think that &#8220;good German Christians&#8221; had any idea about what is really going to happen. </p>
<p>I am sure that even the stupid Christians would reject open plans for extermination of Jews in gas ovens.<br />
Hitler did not mention physical extermination of Jews, no!<br />
However, the SIGNS of Hitler&#8217;s intentions were pretty clear in his numerous speeches.<br />
He mentioned how evil, lazy, stupid, Jews were, and are &#8220;sucking blood&#8221; from Germany. He mentioned &#8220;solutions&#8221; in his speeches, not holocaust.</p>
<p>But, I am asking you directly:</p>
<p>If you, as a good Christian, heard someone speaking that African American are evil, lazy, stupid, and suck blood from Americans, and suggested &#8220;final solution&#8221; of this problem, what would YOU think?<br />
I am sure you would RECOGNIZE THE THREAT, and would be at least VERY cautious to such a talk, even if you, deep in your privacy, maybe did not like black people and Jews<br />
I do not doubt that you would condemn every sign in someone&#8217;s speech that could potentially lead to PHYSICAL extermination of those people.<br />
German Christians did NOT recognize the hints, and they voted Hitler.<br />
That are facts.</p>
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