Hmmm…when creating a false belief, such as religion, the creators know that they are wrong, so of course they are going to put something in there that says there will be people out there that will be against them….that is because not everyone is going to fall for the B.S., so the creators want to try to demonize those who don’t believe so the ones that do believe will still believe.

Why don’t you, finally, use your theology, or whatever, to explain how kangaroos came to Noah’s ark!
Your explanation, if holds water, would do much more for your credibility, and credibility of Bible, than putting hands on the eyes before one bullshit and citing other ones.

You are citnig a totally unreliable book, full of illogical (bullshit) statements, and expect us to just neglect some bullshits and trust other ones, from the SAME book.

We are not that kind of people!

First communist regimes, AND first fascist regimes, appeared on earth in the beginning of 20th century.

At that time, there were NO atheists, ANYWHERE.

Hitler won REGULAR ELLECTIONS, and was ellected by 100% christian population (after they had oportunity to hear his speaches for more than a decade!).
Lenin won revolution massively supported by highly religious masses. Maybe communist were atheists, but including them, there were no more than 0.01% atheists in Russia at that time.

Do you think there were any significant number of atheists in China when Mao won his revolution?

They perfectly knew the psyhology of religious masses and used it to get their support using lies.
They knew religious people are prone to trust lies.

After they took power THANKS to religious masses, and masses got sober, it was too late for changes.

I am not an expert for Sweden, but I like the numbers you exposed.

How many unbaptized children were there in Sweden some 100 years ago?
And how many Sweden people existed „not believing in any sort of spirit, god….“ only 100 years ago?

So, after 2000 years of Christianity, in only 100 years, we have 30% unbaptized children there!
And 29% of atheists!

Excellent score!
WITHOUT communists!

You compare individuals with regimes?
How could you support such an idiocy?
What arguments can you offer?

I could say: theists like to pretend they are different than the fascist regimes, or different than other bloody regimes which exterminated whole nations far before communist ever appeared, and did it with no exception under some religious symbol: Italy, Argentina, Spain, Germany, Chile, my own country, where fscists, under sign of cross, during the WWII, murdered hundreds of thousands of people ONLY because they were od different nationality and religion, while Christian priests blessed their knives.

The biggest massive crimes ever were centuries of well organized slave hunts in Africa, and centuries of extermination of whole populations of N. and S. America, ALL under the sign of cross.
Slave holders were “good christians”! They had a good base to hold slaves in their Bibles.
Papa Doc and Pinoche were good Christians, same as many bloody dictators and massive killers during history of human race, including modern history.
Do you know how bloody was the regime in Cuba before communists took power?
I am not saying communist were less bloody!

I do not exclude massive killers who exterminated nations in name of religions other than Chrisitan. They are all the same for me!

So, you are like them?

Of course I would never say such idiocy!

But, if you are able to say something like that, maybe you are!

I am deadly serious in my claims that no atheist has ever felt god’s grace which is in my understanding reserved for the believer; unless of course his “grace” includes fire raining from the sky like in the mythical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I could actually quite easily allow for the existence of “a” Jesus Christ; my rejection is probably, given time to mull it over, isolated to the biblical, mystical, miracle worker who introduced the homosexuals to hellfire.

“As for DXT though dangerously delusional like your brother Dutch, I found some of your arguments to be worth pursuing. I now grow tired of your perpetual use of scripture as evidence and stubborn refusal to acknowledge that anyone but a Christian can understand said primitive texts.”

Feel free to correct me here but about 90% of my arguments are spent defending attacks against said Scriptures. Using theology, I back that up with Scripture. As anyone knows, in the world of “Christianity”, verses are thrown around quite flippantly and twisted to fit the god of their own desires. That is a major issue today. I guess we could rightly ask “what is Biblical Christianity?” There are alot of people today claiming they are Christians but are devoid of any change in nature or any evidencial impact of Scriptural teachings in their life. These issues are the antithesis of the marks of a believer. So now we can ask, “who then, can understand its teachings?” This question begs for the reading in John chapter 10. This is an issue of hearing and obedience.

Joh 10:24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.
Joh 10:26 “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
Joh 10:27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
Joh 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

I know you will through the Scripture I quoted out the window because you do not accept the existence of God, but this is a Spiritual issue.

“To put my morality where my mouth is; I do, in my existence, propose that I am equal to your imaginary deity; I can express foreknowledge just as he has allegedly done, only with better precision; I am the alpha and the omega; No atheist heart has ever been melted by his grace, and salvation comes from the exercising the meaning of life (which has nothing to do with the mythical figure Jesus Christ).”

These are dangerous words my friend. No atheist has never experienced Gods grace? Surely you are not serious about that. You call me stubborn and delusional? Your problem is with this “mythical figure” idea. I had previously presented you with some questions as to the evidence of the resurrection and requiring from you a naturalistic explanation and you left me wanting. Your answer was basically “they were delusional”, which is outright denial of the evidence. This actually counts for no more than just spouting out “I believe it”. Why, is the question, and you haven’t satisfacorily supplied its naturalistic explanation. Untill you can do that, I ask you not to get worn down by my use of Scripture.

So are one of the really smart guys Q?

I think so. Some people call me a real wise guy. ;-)