Peace to you, and yours.

Martin

I agree. We probably cannot move much further. Thank you for taking the time to answer most of my queries and for reading my responses.

I do believe in Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark. I believe them by faith which does not stand on (nor is it refuted by) logic.

One way or another, we WILL see each other at some point. May God shed mercy on both of us, in Jesus name.

Marv

WHY churches? WHY people bothering me with their (so many different) beliefs?

If god exists and have something to tell me, here I am, welcome god!
(But if you declare yourself as biblical god, please expect me to spit at your face before you say anything more than introducing yourself)

Everyone who personally met god/Jesus/Allah/Zeus/Quetzalkoatl/Ra…, let the a.m. gods to address directly to me, let me personally meet him/them.

I DO NOT TRUST MEDIATORS!

First mistake, at least from me, is the whole adam and eve myth. IF you believe in that myth, then we are about as far apart as two individuals can be. My guess is that you also believe in creation, Noah’s ark, and a number of other fairy tales from the bible. IF so, then the discussion would be very difficult between us. I am not likely to be swayed by Theism, and my guess is you are not ready or open to a discussion on science and reason. But, thank you anyway.

Martin

I say “we” killed him, because we’re ALL guilty before God. Every time we do something to please ourselves rather than to please God or our neighbor, we sin (and basically applaud Adam and Eve for their rebellion).

We shout praises to Satan when we watch movies that blaspheme Christ’s name or show people engaging in casual sex outside of the confines of marriage–or partake in gossip, slander, or greed.

Christ died to forgive and send his Holy Spirit to prompt us to leave our lives of sin. If we continue in sin, we spurn the Spirit and ask Him to leave. If we listen to the Spirit, we grow in love and holiness (without becoming judgmental). Pointing out sin in others is not judgmental. Saying we are better than others is. There’s a difference. Imagine if you caught your kid stealing $50 out of your wallet and you try to discipline him, but he says, “Don’t judge me.” That would be ridiculous; we would continue with our correction knowing that it is the right thing to do. Being judgmental would be talking to your friends about how well you disciplined your kid but how stupid your neighbor is for raising an idiot daughter.

Marvin H

So, your god allowed terrorists to come and KILL over 3,000 people just to get a few butts in the pews. You know what else might work, and I’m spitballing here, if GOD would just show himself and show a little compassion.

And, you faith-heads argue that your god is a loving god, a caring god, and omnipotent god… NOT.. Sorry, that argument might well be one of the worst I’ve ever heard.

Oxford Theologian, Richard Swinburn, once wrote similarly, “Although God regrets our suffering, his greatest concern is surely that each of us shall show patience, sympathy, and generosity and thereby, form a holy character.”

I challenge you to go say that to any of the family of those who perished in 911, or any of those who have suffered injury in the resulting war. Ask my son, who lost his sargeant, and took a bullet through the chest and survived, if he thinks he is better off without a right lung, and if has now formed a more holy character.

We understand completely – it is called a hallucination. Or perhaps a fabrication. We also understand that when people die, they cease to exist.

I don’t understand why people still believe in life after death.