http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/science/27gene.html?hp

Do you think Ed Marcotte is a believer? He is one of the same ilk as one of our favorite Oxford dons Richard Dawkins.

Hell, as a bonus, there is even an amputee story today where God does the only thing it can, NOTHING, ( or else the asshole made a woman lose her leg and suffer horribly). But, a person does an amazingly good job of getting on with their life with good folks at hand and no delusions about executed Jews or a Man in the Sky.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/sports/26vecsey.html

“Why are so many scientist theist if the nonexistence of God is SO obvious?”

Why do you think there are “so” many of them? Do you know the percentage? Probably a small amount do, but that is a very small amount. The way you say it is if the majority is only a majority by a little bit.

“My problem is that Severin gives examples of observational and testable science in order to somehow prove that matter and energy have always existed.”

By the way, Severin was talking about believing Scientists and Science in general when giving those examples of things proven to be true that we just accept without doing the test on our own. His point is that if you do do the test on your own, the same results will happen.

Severin you may be unaware, but scientist do not claim matter & energy have always existed. Quite the contrary. Learn the difference between observational science and historical science. To go along with that lesson, learn the difference between fact and opinion!

Here is a corundum for you Severin. Why are so many scientist theist if the nonexistence of God is SO obvious? Don’t pull out the old “A majority doesn’t make some fact”. Yes, well all know but think the question over.

I believe evidences given by hundreds (actually: thosands)of scientists, because their achievments fit my own knowledge, logic, reality surrounding us, math, physics, chemistry, …
Do you believe 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 = 1,000,000,000,000 without actually counting it?
Or, do you believe that 1 cubic km has 1,000,000,000 cubic meters? Or Pitagora’s rule (in any right triangle, the area of the square whose side is the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares whose sides are the two legs (c2=a2+b2, c=hypotenuse, a,b = legs)
If you do, how? How are you so sure in accuracy of those calculations?
Do you believe without checking that you get CO2 by burning C (coal)? Or to get hydrogen and oxygen by electrolising water? or that salt is made of sodium and chlorine?
Do you believe without walking and measuring yourself that distance between earth and sun is some 150,000,000 km (and is precisely known, in 1 mm, for each second of earth’s orbiting).
Do you believe the surface of a circle = r2*pi
Do you believe without asking for special evidences that E=mc2?
Do you USE some of the a.m. facts? Maybe you are not aware of it, but YOU DO (by tiping answers here, for example!).
Do you need evidences earth is a globe?
If someone gives them to you will you trust them?

Scientists discovered those facts (most of them very recently!), gave us good evidences they were right, and we not only trust, but USE them. All of them WORK PERFECTLY.

What is your problem?
You trust SOME scientific achievments without evidences, although they were NOT given by any god, or religious books, but by scientists. No god and no Bible mentioned ever any of those, or any other, scientific facts! Then, for OTHER scientific facts, you block yourself, and do not trust.

Why don’t you just give us some evidences that god exists, and you will solve all our problems here.

Or, if you insist to claim god created everything, why don’t you just try to answer the simple question: which one? Biblical god, or the “BB god“?

How do you know? Because you claim it is so? Condensed matter/energy which came from……?

Where is your proof, examples from today where we see this in action? If you believe matter and energy can exist forever and has existed forever you are a man of incredible faith. Where is you abstract and your peer reviews?

However, all you people recognizing the BB as god’s deed are all the time AVOIDING to explain connection between the biblical god and the one who caused the BB.

Is it because you also see no connection?
Please tell us „ignorants“ how is it possible that a super-creature mighty enough to start universe by creating all the matter,and by imposing to matter/energy laws by which they will function after creation, and by causing the BB, came to (where? to solar system?) billions of years after the BB to create earth?
Then, after he made man and woman in a way not quite comparable to his previous deed (the BB), gave precise orders to people on earth how to prepare offerings to him by killing and burning animals, to please his sense of smell.

Is it SO difficult to answer this question?
I find it IMPOSSIBLE, but maybe you could enlighten us!

Was it a sort of „clown god“, or what?

Actually No Realist. We have the the tools of science to essetially eliminate your claim. Something beyond science is actually more likely.

You agree ice, water, and vapor are different states of matter, correct? Does this imply they are in a different realm?

“Therefore, God is more likely since we know matter and energy are not eternal.”

Why do you think we know matter and energy are not eternal? Fact is, we know matter and energy exists, where there is no proof of a God, so for you to claim I have no proof of matter and energy being eternal, you go and claim there is an eternal God without proof. Something that we know exists is more likely to be eternal than something we don’t even have any proof of existing.

Yes we did have the conversation AR however, you zero proof. Is that not what you argue with about God? Matter and energy are not eternal now so why would they be in another realm?

Therefore, God is more likely since we know matter and energy are not eternal.

The problem with the discussion is that the ideologues will not read both sides of the issue. Try “The language of God”. The author is very much a REAL scientist I assure you. He is also an theistic evolutionist.