Comments on: Common atheist argument: “No one could enjoy heaven knowing that billions are tortured in hell.” It is an invalid argument. The reason- it happens on earth every day and no one cares.

By: The messenger

The messenger — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:06:07 +0000

No one stays in hell forever.

Eventually their sentence will be paid off.

By: alex

alex — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:46:08 +0000

dead thread alert. hows that?

By: Breckmin

Breckmin — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:21:10 +0000

Decades ago, there was an Augustinian/Calvinist theologian by the name of John D. Gerstner who is quoted as telling his students that they would “rejoice in heaven” that their loved ones are judged in eternal separation from God’s glory and logical judgement (exact consequences for exact actions) BECAUSE it will bring glory to God by displaying God’s Perfect Justice (forever).

Perhaps this is a perspective that only holy angels and believers can “begin” to grasp.

The fact is that God is glorified by putting His Perfect Justice on display for giving consequences for actions of disobedience…

and there will be NO logical argument against God’s Perfect Justice. Question everything (especially why it is pure NONSENSE to say that eternal hell is an infinite punishment for a finite crime/action).

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By: Flxy

Flxy — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:08:38 +0000

I think that what everyone can do to help eradicate “hell on Earth” is to actually do something with your bare hands. Rather than just going to church and saying prayers for them, DO SOMETHING that can be seen, felt, and has immediate effect. Help others in need. Have you been to heaven or hell before? No. So while we are all still human beings and living on Earth, why not just be nicer and help other human beings more, NOW, instead of thinking about how it will be after death. LIVE IN THE PRESENT.

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By: Breckmin

Breckmin — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:10:57 +0000

It’s called “Out of Sight, Out of Mind.”

Eternal separation and logical punishment for exact transgressions (which is multi-faceted and can not be isolated on the premise of eternal torture)is NOT going to be out of sight, out of mind in heaven. It is what is VERY REAL that you are going to be saved from – by God’s Grace and by God’s Grace Alone. Hell will probably be visible forever in heaven if what the scriptures say is true. The fact that hell is unfathomable, and unthinkable and beyond any of our worst nightmares that we would not wish on even our worst enemy (including Hitler) does not take away from the joy of salvation and those who know they “deserve” (imperfect English word in this context) to go there also based on their trangressions against the Holy Nature of God. You can be happy for someone to be saved from it while at the same time in this lifetime
be saddened by those who do not get saved…It depends on your moment of focus. When you understand the logical reasons for those who are perishing in this temporary creation and their role in God’s Perfect Plan you can rejoice in those who DID get saved.

Whether one person must go to eternal separation and judgement…or whether or not 50 billion must go..both are eternally unthinkable. and unfathomably horrible.

BUT logical.

Question everything. It just might lead you in the right direction. But “when” you question…pray for
protection.

By: Breckmin

Breckmin — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 05:58:36 +0000

“before they get brain washed.”

Perhaps some Christians realize that their brain needs washing. This can be accomplished by Jesus Christ through the Power of His Holy Spirit alone.

It starts with logical humility (you are a finite being and God is Infinite – you are incredibly weak and God is infinitely strong (logically strong to do logical things)).

Humility and the fear of the Creator are the beginning of wise brain washing.

By: Breckmin

Breckmin — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 05:53:51 +0000

Omnipotence and “all powerful” are incorrect words to use when encompassing all possibilities of illogical or
self-contradicting occurances. In Christianity we have
this statement regarding God being able to create a rock too big to move, or this sort of thing. “Nonsense is nonsense, even when you try to apply it to God.”

Omnibenevolence and “all loving” are also incorrect words to try to apply to our Holy Creator. God does not love satan nor his demons, for example.

Omniscience and Omnipresence are accurate words which do not encompass meanings which result in hyper-technical contradiction.

By: Breckmin

Breckmin — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 05:47:59 +0000

“If your christian God exists, and it is omnipotent/omniscient, then it is ultimately responsible for all evil and suffering in the universe. Period.”

Omniscient is an accurate English word. Omnipotent doesn’t deal with what is “logical” for God to do.
If it is illogical for God to prevent inevitable evil
because of choices and because sin and disobedience
are a potential byproduct of choice (so that love can exist) then God will not prevent the inevitable if salvation is the greater good.

Yes, God is responsible for allowing evil and suffering to exist for the greater good of the eternal glory of LOVE which will exist in heaven forever with His Only Begotten Jesus Christ and His adopted children (by His grace – which is absolutely “unfair.”)

There are multiple reasons why suffering exists..but often we do not know which ones apply in each instance of personal suffering..but we can look at the logical
possibilites of what the Creator is doing.