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Christianity Admin on 03 Oct 2013
If you go to Google and type in “GodIsImaginary.com” as the search term, the top entry that Google returns is what you would expect. But when you click on the link, it does not go to GodIsImaginary.com. It gets redirected to some other web site.
Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
We have written to the site’s hosting company. They said that the problem would resolve itself the next time Google indexes the site. But the problem has not resolved itself.
We would be grateful for any assistance you can provide in fixing this problem.
This article starts with the following inspirational paragraph:
Have you ever known someone who really trusts God? When I was an atheist, I had a good friend who prayed often. She would tell me every week about something she was trusting God to take care of. And every week I would see God do something unusual to answer her prayer. Do you know how difficult it is for an atheist to observe this week after week? After a while, “coincidence” begins to sound like a very weak argument.
Doesn’t that sound exciting? “Every week I would see God do something unusual to answer her prayer.”
If this is true, why doesn’t she pray to end cancer worldwide? Why doesn’t she pray to end world hunger? If God will do something unusual every week to answer her prayers, why not pray for something that will substantially improve life on earth for everyone? This is where the insanity comes in, as seen in this paragraph:
For those who do know him and rely on him, Jesus seems to be wildly generous in his offer: “If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.”5 To “remain” in him and have his words remain in them means they conduct their lives aware of him, relying on him, listening to what he says. Then they’re able to ask him whatever they want. Here is another qualifier: “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us — whatever we ask — we know that we have what we asked of him.”6 God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, his holiness, etc.).
What is hard to understand about, “ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you”? But it never happens when praying for anything real like a worldwide cure for cancer. Now a Christian has to explain why Jesus would say something that is wrong. So they say, “God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, his holiness, etc.)” Which is to say that God answers zero prayers of substance. This is the insanity. Christians believe that God answers prayers, even though God never, ever answers concrete prayers that would improve life for everyone.
A sobering look at religious brainwashing:
As the leader of a ministry called Dare 2 Share, an organization that annually equips tens of thousands of teens to evangelize, I am in the motivation business. I have to be. If a clinical approach to evangelism were enough to motivate teenagers we could just do a video-based training series for youth groups and leave it at that. But it takes way more to motivate teens to actually go beyond talking about evangelism to actually doing it.
How might you do that? One approach is to fill a teen’s brain with superstitious nonsense, like this:
4. Talk about hell.
There I said it. Teenagers need to be reminded of what’s at stake for those who die without Christ. In a very real way, those who don’t know Jesus are unknowingly headed 100 mph at a cliff that leads to everlasting destruction. Our job as caring Christians is to jerk the steering wheel…and to get our teens to do the same with their friends.
Paul put it this way in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, “He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
“Punished with everlasting destruction.” Isn’t that great? So the teen evangelist’s message is, “come worship a being who tortures people for eternity!” Why would ANYONE listen to a message like that? Why worship a torturer? Such is the insanity of religion.
An Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience has suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness.
“Someone who has for example become radicalised to a cult ideology — we might stop seeing that as a personal choice that they have chosen as a result of pure free will and may start treating it as some kind of mental disturbance,” Taylor said. “In many ways it could be a very positive thing because there are no doubt beliefs in our society that do a heck of a lot of damage.”
Imagine a world where the belief in imaginary beings is treated like a mental illness rather than being condoned. The world would be a much better place.
Put a steak on the ground in front of a dog.
Tell the dog not to eat the steak.
If the dog eats it, punish [the dog] and every other dog you own and ever will own.
God is great.
Impregnate a dog with your son.
Have your half dog half human son tell your other dogs how loving you are.
Let your other dogs torture and kill your half dog half human son.
Afterwards, forgive them for eating your steak in the first place.
Despite forgiveness, continue to punish every dog you will ever own.
Revive the half dog half human corpse and let it live in your house.
God is great.
Why would anyone believe such nonsense?
Christianity Thomas on 19 Apr 2013
In this article, a nursing home worker talks about God’s presence and help in the Waco explosion:
For saying this she appears in articles, the articles make it up to the national news level, her words “God shielded us” appear on the Drudge Report, etc.
How could anyone look at this gigantic catastrophe, with all of the death, injury and damage it has caused, and then claim that “God shielded us”? Rather than making it up to the national news level, why isn’t the woman seen by everyone as completely delusional? The only way to believe that God is shielding is to also believe that God is allowing everyone else to die and suffer in all of the tragedies we see. It is painfully illogical.
Christianity Thomas on 01 Apr 2013
Here Pat Robertson demonstrates the utter irrationality of millions of U.S. Christians:
On Monday’s episode of CBN’s The 700 Club, Robertson responded to a viewer who wanted to know why “amazing miracles (people raised from the dead, blind eyes open, lame people walking) happen with great frequency in places like Africa, and not here in the USA?”
Any person with any common sense would ask, “You really believe that people are raised from the dead, blind eyes are opened, lame people are walking? Where is your proof?” If these things were really happening, there would be hundreds of videos on YouTube for all to see.
Why would anyone, in this day and age, believe a lie like this? Why can’t Christians accept reality?
Christianity Thomas on 21 Mar 2013
Do Christians think about the things they say? The logical implications of what they say? A perfect example is presented here:
“I don’t believe they intentionally portrayed the Lucifer character to look like Mr. Obama,” the Christian radio host noted. “I think God guided the hand of the makeup artist and blinded the eyes of everybody on the movie set while it was being recorded, and the spiritual blinders were removed Sunday night when the program was broadcast nationally on the History Channel.”
“How many clues do we need from Heaven to understand that the man in the White House is a devil from Hell?”
If this God is so powerful, so willful and so interactive that he would “guide the hand of makeup artists” and “blind the eyes of everybody on the movie set”, then how in the world did Obama get elected? If Obama is the “devil from Hell”, how did Obama get re-elected? Isn’t God capable of guiding an election just as easily?
Christians who make statements like the ones seen in this article truly do appear to be insane.
Christianity Thomas on 08 Mar 2013
Here we find a great example of the insanity of religion:
Through reflection, study and reading the works of C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel and others, Kraftson said he found solid answers to his questions early in his college career.
“Which brought up the question: What do I want to do with my life?” Kraftson said. “I graduated college in 1970, which some of you may recall was a pretty turbulent time in our country, but also a time when many were joining the Peace Corps and things like that.”
Having concluded that God exists and does have a plan for everyone, Kraftson decided to share that message through interacting with people.
“Having concluded that God exists and does have a plan for everyone…” Imagine the level of insanity it takes to look at our world and reach that conclusion. Think of the 10 million children per year who die of starvation, the millions more who die senselessly of cancer and heart attacks, the millions slaughtered in war, and the millions more who perish in natural disasters. God says, “yes, my plan for you is to grow to age three and then to be crushed when your apartment collapses in an earthquake.” Only insanity could see that as a plan.
Christianity Thomas on 23 Feb 2013
Great editorial by Dan Fink in which he admits that God is imaginary:
How does he admit that God is imaginary? By admitting that the Bible is a book of myth:
The philosopher Paul Ricoeur suggests that there are three stages in a progressive approach to faith and holy texts. First we believe on a literal level. Then, as we learn more about science and history, our sacred “myths” are broken. But later still, as we reach maturity, we can once again embrace our traditions’ stories – precisely as myths, which define and bring beauty to our world. As Ricoeur puts it, “Beyond the desert of criticism, we wish to be called again.”
If the Bible is myth then God is imaginary. Then Fink goes one step further and invents his own god:
Neither the fire and brimstone fundamentalists nor the strident atheists believe in my God, who is the source of both science and the spirit. She is a lot more complicated and ambiguous than many would like. She does not speak in one voice or language. What she asks of me is not always clear. My calling, as a person of progressive faith, is to learn and live this.
What form of insanity is this? The reason why “what she asks of me is not always clear” is because it is the sound of insanity.
Christianity Thomas on 11 Feb 2013
As we read this story, we witness a Christian rationalizing his delusion:
But enough pert answers and beating around the bush. Let’s cut to the chase.
The Bible says one thing and the theory of natural selection says something else. How can I or anyone believe both?
To be blunt, I can’t. I don’t believe the biblical account of creation.
I can’t believe, not because of my science background, but because the Bible doesn’t say one thing.
It says two. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 offer two contradictory creation stories. Since the two different stories cannot both be believed, I rely on my God-given gifts of perception and reason for the facts.
I don’t believe the biblical accounts of creation, but I do believe IN them. A story that is not factual, can still show us truth.
Why is this rationalization? Because this pastor is admitting that the Bible’s creation story is nothing but a myth. Meaning it was written by ignorant men, like every other myth. Meaning that the God described is mythological. Meaning that God is imaginary.
The stories of creation teach us that all things find their source in God, that we are made in God’s image, and that creation is very good. We needn’t believe the facts of the stories to believe IN the truth they carry. Facts are to be seen, measured and tested.
The truth, like the Creator, is a person, not a thing to be grasped, but someone with whom to form a relationship — Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life.
He fails to see that the entire Bible is myth. You cannot “form a relationship” with a mythological being. It is embarrassing to think about this man, and billions like him, having their “realtionships” with their imaginary friends. How can adults behave in such a ridiculous way?
Christianity Thomas on 30 Jan 2013
In this article:
We find this quote:
[D]id you know that you are pre-approved for a free blessing right now? The Bible tells me so. If you have a need in your life, Jesus Christ can fix it — no strings attached. The price for your sin has been paid for you by Jesus, on Calvary’s cross. Things will get better for you; if you will only trust in him.
The good news is that Jesus Christ is a right now God, savior and friend. He brings to those who trust in him a right now blessing, love, forgiveness, hope and peace. He is a God who listens, speaks and moves on our behalf!
“If you have a need in your life, Jesus Christ can fix it.” Really? If that is the case, why doesn’t Jesus heal the millions of people who have cancer right now? Why doesn’t Jesus help the billions of people on the planet living in abject poverty? Why doesn’t Jesus save the 21,000 children who will die today [ref]? These people all need help. Jesus is omniscient, so he knows they need help. Yet no help will come.
The fact that someone can say, “If you have a need in your life, Jesus Christ can fix it,” while looking out at the world and seeing how mismatched that statement is with reality, demonstrates a form of insanity. It is quite obvious that God is not active in our lives.
Deepak Chopra has started a new series of Blog Posts in which he asks the following question:
What if we erase the slate and look clearly at the situation. Something terrible happens, people suffer, they implore God for help, but no help comes. If such a thing occurred when a house caught fire and the fire trucks never came, naturally the blame would fall on those who are assigned to rescue us. Is it fair to apply the same standard to a God who fails to show up?
Is it fair to apply the same standard to a God who fails to show up? Yes, of course it is. God is supposed to be omnibenevolent and perfectly moral. If God sees suffering and takes no action, then he violates these principles. There is no way that a perfectly moral being (who is also omnipotent) can see someone suffering and stand by without helping. This is explained by God himself (in the form of Jesus) in this parable:
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The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
If God exists, then “Go and do likewise” applies to God as well. The fact that God ignores all of the tragedy on earth proves that God is imaginary. Strange that Chopra cannot see that.
Christianity Thomas on 12 Jan 2013
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It might be the most audacious, and perhaps the most presumptuous, ad slogan ever devised.
“Find God’s match for you,” sayeth ChristianMingle.com, an online dating service that suggests in its advertising that its computer-generated matches are, well, made in heaven.
The slogan appears just about everywhere — on the Web, on TV, in your email box — suggesting that ChristianMingle may even have the Man Upstairs in its corner.
Which raises a few questions about ChristianMingle. Such as: How does it know who God wants to hook you up with?
The insanity of Christians is perfectly displayed here. They believe that God is all-powerful, omniscient. They also believe that God has a plan:
Yet they also believe that they need a dating site. The utter irrationality, delusion and insanity is over the top in this case.